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Singapore executed , by hanging a 25 year- old Australian because of 14- ounces worth of drugs? No chance of redemption or a 2nd chance? Singapore should be condemed and some kind of economic ban ( similar to Cuba) led by US should happen. The family should sue the goverment and follow the lady whos child missing in Aruba.

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Have you been to Singapore? Or any other Asian Country? Before you enter Singapore (as is the case with Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Indonesia, Vietnam and a host of other Asian Countries) you sign a declaration stating you understand that drug trafficing is punishable by death.

You'd have to be an idiot to do it. Singapore has jail terms for littering and even performing oral sex - why in the world would you even attempt to commit a crime there? I, myself, am Australian and I couldn't give a rat's ass about the guy they killed.



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The guy was guilty of carrying drugs and when abroad you must adhere to your host country's laws and respect them. If what Gaboman is saying is true about signing a declaration then that guy must have thought he was to clever to get caught.

But a law against oral sex how in the hell is the enforced.


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gaboman said this in post #2 :
Have you been to Singapore? Or any other Asian Country? Before you enter Singapore (as is the case with Malaysia, China, Taiwan, Indonesia, Vietnam and a host of other Asian Countries) you sign a declaration stating you understand that drug trafficing is punishable by death.

You'd have to be an idiot to do it. Singapore has jail terms for littering and even performing oral sex - why in the world would you even attempt to commit a crime there? I, myself, am Australian and I couldn't give a rat's ass about the guy they killed.




Every country has rules and laws for vistors to follow and people in every country break the law and he is not the only "idiot" in that country. I am not defending drug dealers , but execution does not fit the crime. Killing the carrier , who is expendable to the source doesn't stop the buisness. I'm sure there are many "idiots" willing to take the chance. And your lack of compassion comes from him not being born in Australia. There is an infamous history of how people of color are treated.


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So Malcolm tell me, in your opinion is this a moral issue or yet again another non exsitent racist issue?

Face it the guy broke the law he knew the risks end of story.


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What does this thread have anything to do with US foreign policy???

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If they execute all people guilty of carrying drugs, then the color of the person's skin is totally irrelevant. Each country has a right to make their own rules. IF you sign the declaration, they you know the risks. He chose to play Russian roulette with his life all for a few ounces. Stupid.

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and malcolm, for yo' info, gaboman is an Australian who lives in Taiwan.

word up.



for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
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I think the death penalty is stupid anyway, but Singapore is known for its strict punishments. Nonetheless, I'd like to go to Singapore one day, met a guy from there on a bus while touring the Mt. Fuji area. Seems like a nice enough country, just a little humid. I keep the position I had back in 1994 with Michael Fay, he did it, so he must be punished.

If you want to talk about the death penalty in the broader sense, then by all means I am against it, but the US is in a difficult position on that one.



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Inner City Blues, its an absolutely beautiful Country. Very clean, great sites, and the people are exceedingly hospitible. Nice food too. Though, yeah, you've gotta go in Winter or early Spring.

malcolm xx, I don't think the Singaporean government cares about the source of the drugs, they just don't want them in their Country. By cutting off those who bring the drugs into their Country, the source is gone as far as their concerned. If they were just to give a slap on the wrist and tell the trafficers to go on their way, more and more people would attempt to bring drugs in and there would be less chance of catching the offenders. Drugs would slowly trickle into the Country and drugs would be come more widely distributed.

I would say that the punishment is quite severe, that's true; but it is their punishment to give. Like lodgebo said, adhere to your host Country's laws and you'll be alright. It has nothing to do with race as far as the Singapore government is concerned, nor is it an issue for me. As Dekka mentioned, and like it says right next to my name. I live in Taiwan (Asian Country, not the one with Thai people, its the little island off the coast of China/Hong Kong), so, see, I'm not racist... I'm surrounded by ***** and ****** all day

And Lodgbo, I have no idea how the oral sex law is enforced... but I'd like to be assigned to the job



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I have heard Singapore is an extremely "conservative country." As I remember pornography is also illegal or at least it was in recent years. I also heard that it is largely Muslim...that Christianity was or maybe still is a punishable offense, but still Christianity is growing in a large number.

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Hmm... you may be thinking of Malaysia. The biggest religion in Singapore is Buddhism, followed by Muslim and then Christianity. Though the Buddhism the Chinese population of Singapore profess to is partly Taoism, Confucianism and Buddhism mixed into one.

I've always felt the Singapore government tries its best to integrate all cultures into its own... and its done a lot to keep harmony among the different religions, since it is really as multicultural society as they come. Basically they fight racism as they would other crimes. Jail time for even the simplest of derogatory comments.

One law in Singapore I find weird is when you buy a house, I believe, say, 50 years after it was built... its no longer your house. It belongs to the government once more. I forget the specifics of the law, but a friend of mine owned a house for about 10 years... the government took it back because of this law.



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One law in Singapore I find weird is when you buy a house, I believe, say, 50 years after it was built... its no longer your house. It belongs to the government once more. I forget the specifics of the law, but a friend of mine owned a house for about 10 years... the government took it back because of this law.


It's similar to that in Israel too.
You have a mortgage and if you've had it for 50 years, the government takes it back after paying 50 years on your house.


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Interesting. I don't know if its the same, but it includes if you sell the house after 20 years, the government won't take it back for another 30 years. So basically, when you buy the house, you want to get a place with the least milage

Any idea where the logic behind this law comes from? I guess it makes sense from the Government's perspective...



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There is the law of 50 years in the Old Testament, called the Year of Jubilee....
but back then it was for debts.
If you owed a debt to anyone, after 50 years it was wiped clean.

But I think this idea has kind of, well, been turned around.


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