I propose we amend the Constitution to formally recognize the unborn children conceived by American men and women as full citizens of the United States of America.
This would
a.) Make Roe v Wade null and void, and abortions would be illegal in all 50 states
b.) Eliminate the practice of illegal women who cross the US border to deliver and have their kids be automatic citizens just because they are born here
c.) American women travelling or living abroad's children would be US citizens if born elsewhere
d.) Stop the practice of using embryos for scientific stem cell research
Science shows that human life begins at conception, and I believe protected personhood should begin at the same moment.
I thank you for writing to your representatives to say that you would support this amendment.
Beth_K said this in post #1 : c.) American women travelling or living abroad's children would be US citizens if born elsewhere
Can't you get American ciitzenship even if you are born overseas as long as your parents are American? I am pretty sure that's how it works everywhere else.
Besides, not all people born overseas would want to be solely American, being born in another country and having dual-citizenship can be very handy.
Inner City Blue said this in post #2 : Since fetuses are full citizens, can you charge a mother for manslaughter if she has a miscarriage?
Let's say she gets in a car accident, her fault, and the trauma causes the miscarriage, should she be charged with a crime?
I would say that a natural miscarriage is no different than a person dying from natural causes.
An accident causing a miscarriage would be the same as a driver causing the death of her passenger, I'm not sure that drivers are usually charged unless they were recklessly negligent.
b.) Eliminate the practice of illegal women who cross the US border to deliver and have their kids be automatic citizens just because they are born here
Your amendment would not eliminate this. Anyone born on American soil becomes a citizen. We would need another ammendement to state that one of your parents must be a U.S. citizen for you to become one regardless of where you are born. I hope that they do this.
Can't you get American ciitzenship even if you are born overseas as long as your parents are American? I am pretty sure that's how it works everywhere else.
Besides, not all people born overseas would want to be solely American, being born in another country and having dual-citizenship can be very handy.
yeah... I was born in Japan to American parents and I was an American citizen, not Japanese.
Your amendment would not eliminate this. Anyone born on American soil becomes a citizen. We would need another ammendement to state that one of your parents must be a U.S. citizen for you to become one regardless of where you are born. I hope that they do this.
There should be laws (and action) against illegal immigration, but a country that was made by immigrants (after decimating the natives) should have a rule that one of the parents should be a U.S. citizen? Please, don't make me laugh.
M.
"Every positive integer is one of Ramanujan's personal friends."—J. E. Littlewood.
There should be laws (and action) against illegal immigration, but a country that was made by immigrants (after decimating the natives) should have a rule that one of the parents should be a U.S. citizen? Please, don't make me laugh.
M.
I'm talking about ILLEGALS who have their baby here and that baby of an illegal alien is automatically a US citizen.
I would say that a natural miscarriage is no different than a person dying from natural causes.
What classifies as a natural miscarriage? If you have some directions for diet from the doctor and you have a miscarriage, can you be charged with a crime?
If you drink something with alcohol in it (not necessarily beer or wine), can you be charged with giving a minor alcohol?
How many rights does an expectant mother have? Isn't this in essence removing rights from certain persons in our society, especially for people that may have been raped (rape does not only include attacks by strangers but can also include sexual abuse by a spouse, partner, or relative)?
Why not just wait until the baby is out of the womb before we start giving it all these rights?
An accident causing a miscarriage would be the same as a driver causing the death of her passenger, I'm not sure that drivers are usually charged unless they were recklessly negligent.
Right, would the mother be charged if she was driving recklessly and then gets into an accident, which results in miscarriage. Before you could charge a person wth reckless driving, but could you tack on vehicular manslaughter?
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Inner City Blue said this in post #12 :
What classifies as a natural miscarriage? If you have some directions for diet from the doctor and you have a miscarriage, can you be charged with a crime?
If you drink something with alcohol in it (not necessarily beer or wine), can you be charged with giving a minor alcohol?
How many rights does an expectant mother have? Isn't this in essence removing rights from certain persons in our society, especially for people that may have been raped (rape does not only include attacks by strangers but can also include sexual abuse by a spouse, partner, or relative)?
Why not just wait until the baby is out of the womb before we start giving it all these rights?
Right, would the mother be charged if she was driving recklessly and then gets into an accident, which results in miscarriage. Before you could charge a person wth reckless driving, but could you tack on vehicular manslaughter?
I happen to be a very pro-life person. I do not think there is a culture of life and a culture of death, but I do happen to think there is an overall culture of disrespect for human life going on in our country and in our world. That means people do not always take care of themselves, pregnant women do not always take care of their unborn (and some kill their unborn through reckless behavior or abortion) parents do not always take care of their born children, adults do not always take care of their aging parents, and we turn a blind eye to needy in our country and in our world. Basically we are a society that thinks of self pleasure first, and often other people's lives are not important enough for us to care.
Well, I care about all human life, from the point of conception to the point of natural death. We have a moral obligation to ourselves and each other to respect each other and care for each other when someone needs our help.
I think our Constitution should reflect the value that we as Americans should put on ALL human life, born and unborn. When Roe v Wade legalized abortion in this country, the effects I believe are snowballing, where we as a society lessen the value of human life in the name of convenience, and to take the easy way out of a difficult situation. It is disrespect for human life in the highest form, and I for one, am sick of abortions being legal, and acceptable to many.
Inner City Blue said this in post #14 : I understand all that, but that really didn't answer my question.
I don't think you truly do understand all that, if you did you would have your answer. We all have a responsibility for our own lives, pregnant women have the extra responsibility for the lives of their unborn children. If they are doing reckless things, doing crack, having someone jump on their stomach repeatedly, then they have been negligent to the human life inside them. If they were doing crack after the baby is born and say in their high state dropped their baby and killed it, this would be negligent behavior.
08-25-2005 05:04 AM
I'm sorry for laughing, but that was a great retort ICB.
