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If Terri hasn't recovered after all these years of therapy, why not let go?
Terri hasn't had meaningful therapy since 1991, but many credible physicians say she can benefit from it.

Why can't Terri just divorce?
Terri's husband/guardian speaks for her. She cannot divorce without his permission

Does Terri have an advanced directive or any wishes about her healthcare?
Terri never signed any directive or living will and there is no evidence that she foresaw her present situation.

Why do Terri's family fight to keep her alive? Shouldn't they let her husband decide?
Terri's husband has started another family and probably has gone on with his life. Terri's family want to provide her therapy and a safe home.

Is Terri receiving life support?
Not in the traditional sense. Terri only receives food and fluids via a simple tube.

Isn't removing her tube a natural and dignified way to die?
No. Dehydration and starvation cause horrific effects and are anything but peaceful. Read more here.

Most common misconceptions about Terri's situation

MYTH: Terri is PVS (Persistent vegetative state)
FACT: The definition of PVS in Florida Statue 765.101:
Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind.
(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.

Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.

MYTH: Terri does not need rehabilitation
FACT: Florida Statute 744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated:

(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right
(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

This is a retained right that a guardian cannot take away. Additionally, it does not make exception for PVS patients. Terri has illegally been denied rehabilitation - as many nurses have sworn in affidavits.

MYTH: Removal of food was both legal and court-ordered.
FACT: The courts had only allowed removal of Terri's feeding tube, not regular food and water. Terri's husband illegally ordered this. The law only allows the removal of "life-prolonging procedures," not regular food and water:

Florida Statute 765.309 Mercy killing or euthanasia not authorized; suicide distinguished. Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act or omission to end life other than to permit the natural process of dying.

MYTH: Many doctors have said that there is no hope for her.
FACT: Dr. Victor Gambone testified that he visits Terri 3 times a year. His visits last for approximately 10 minutes. He also testified, after viewing the court videotapes at Terri’s recent trial, that he was surprised to see Terri’s level of awareness. This doctor is part of a team hand-picked by her husband, Michael Schiavo, shortly before he filed to have Terri’s feeding removed. Contrary to Schiavo’s team, 14 independent medical professionals (6 of them neurologists) have given either statements or testimony that Terri is NOT in a Persistent Vegetative State. Additionally, there has never been any medical dispute of Terri’s ability to swallow. Even with this compelling evidence, Terri’s husband, Michael Schiavo, has denied any form of therapy for her for over 10 years.

Dr. Melvin Greer, appointed by Schiavo, testified that a doctor need not examine a patient to know the appropriate medical treatment. He spent approximately 45 minutes with Terri. Dr. Peter Bambakidis, appointed by Judge Greer, spent approximately 30 minutes with Terri. Dr. Ronald Cranford, also appointed by Schiavo and who has publicly labeled himself “Dr. Death”, spent less than 45 minutes examining and interacting with Terri.

MYTH: This is just a family battle over money.
FACT: In 1992, Terri was awarded nearly one million dollars by a malpractice jury and an out-of-court malpractice settlement which was designated for future medical expenses. Of these funds, less than $50,000 remains today. The financial records revealing how Terri’s medical fund money is managed are SEALED from inspection. Court records, however, show that Judge Greer has approved the spending down of Terri’s medical fund on Schiavo’s attorney’s fees - though it was expressly awarded to Terri for her medical care. Schiavo’s primary attorney, George Felos, has received upwards of $400,000 dollars since Schiavo hired him. This same attorney, at the expense of Terri’s medical fund, publicly likened Terri to a “houseplant” and has used Terri’s case on national television to promote his newly published book.

MYTH: Michael Schiavo volunteered to donate the balance of the inheritance to charity.
FACT: In October, 1998, Schiavo’s attorney proposed that, if Terri’s parents would agree to her death by starvation, Schiavo would donate his inheritance to charity. The proposal came after a court-appointed Guardian Ad Litem cited Schiavo’s conflict of interest since he stood to inherit the balance of Terri’s medical fund upon her death. This one and only offer stated “if the proposal is not fully accepted within 10 days, it shall automatically be withdrawn”. Naturally, Terri’s parents immediately rejected the offer.

MYTH: Terri's Medical Trust fund has been used to care for her.
FACT: The following expenditures have been paid directly from Terri's Medical Trust fund, with the approval of Judge George Greer:
Summary of expenses paid from Terri’s 1.2 Million Dollar medical trust fund (jury awarded 1992)
NOTE: In his November 1993 Petition Schiavo alleges the 1993 guardianship asset balance as $761,507.50

Atty Gwyneth Stanley $10,668.05
Atty Deborah Bushnell $65,607.00
Atty Steve Nilson $7,404.95
Atty Pacarek $1,500.00
Atty Richard Pearse (GAL) $4,511.95
Atty George Felos $397,249.99

Other

1st Union/South Trust Bank $55,459.85
Michael Schiavo $10,929.95

Total $545,852.34

http://www.terrisfight.net/


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Well, weve already been through these lies time and time again.

Im pretty sick of people dragging this guy through the mud.

They want naive people to read this hoping for a reaction.

Unfortunately there are many naive people out there ready to believe what ever they say...BUT fortunately many people can listen fairly to both sides and assess the situation more realistically.



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Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Sorry, try again.

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Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Yep, that's it. Except it's been sanctioned by the court system.
Again, welcome to the Third Reich.
Enjoy the ride while it lasts.

Where will they draw the line next?
Severely mentally ill?
Severely retarded?
Severely physically disabled?
What and who determines "severely."

This is exactly how it started in NAZI Germany.
If you don't believe me, pick up a history book.


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Also see sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous: Feigning piety or righteousness

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It's nice to see you are improving your vocabulary heck
No feigning.
Murder is wrong.
There is nothing sanctimonious about that.
And if you think murder is not wrong, it's you who has the problem.

You fit in nicely with the masses. beeeeelllllllllch


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I think we agree that murder is wrong. Where we differ, evidently, is what murder is in relation to this case. Let's agree to disagree

Oh, and I heard people are thumping drums outside of her hospital to represent her heartbeat... I could have sworn they were thumping bibles...

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so some types of murder we can call euthenasia...or mercy killing or......

I agree to disagree


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Oh, and I heard people are thumping drums outside of her hospital to represent her heartbeat... I could have sworn they were thumping bibles...


Yug Yug
What a knee slapper.

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Thanks, I try. I'll be signing autographs at a store near you very soon.

And I bet Jesus belched, too.

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Re: Myths in this murder post #11  quote:

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MYTH: Terri is PVS (Persistent vegetative state)
FACT: The definition of PVS in Florida Statue 765.101:
Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind.
(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.

Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.


I suppose she is going to start solving non-linear equations too. How about Fermat's last theorem?

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post #12  quote:

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sowhatsthetruth said this in post #4 :
Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Yep, that's it. Except it's been sanctioned by the court system.


This is not murder! I cannot believe that people are falling for that!

If you so wholeheartedly believe this is murder...why dont you speak up for the rest of the people that are dealing with this issue? Why arent you calling them murderer's as well?

When the convenience fits....

quote:
In the federal court hearing, Schindler lawyer David Gibbs III argued that Terri Schiavo's rights to life and privacy were being violated. Whittemore interrupted as Gibbs attempted to liken Schiavo's death to a murder.

"That is the emotional rhetoric of this case. It does not influence this court, and cannot influence this court. I want you to know it and I want the public to know it," Whittemore said



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I recant all my statements in this thread except for this one:

This is not murder.


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This is not murder, it's medical technology testing. She would have died without it. Period.
The real crime is trying to keep her alive for 15 years when she could not have lived on her own.

If I have a DNR, am I breaking your law? Am I 'murdering' myself? Suicide is illegal too. Isn't a DNR, in your view suicide or murder?
I guess the point is, what gives anyone else the right to determine my existance? I'm not affraid of death and I surely don't want my family to spend 15 years morning my inevitable demise.



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Terri Schiavo was starved until she died. Shall I post pictures of what people look like when they are starving to death?


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