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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. ? A 5-year-old girl was arrested, cuffed and put in back of a police cruiser after an outburst at school where she threw books and boxes, kicked a teacher in the shins, smashed a candy dish, hit an assistant principal in the stomach and drew on the walls.

The students were counting jelly beans as part of a math exercise at Fairmount Park Elementary School (search) when the little girl began acting silly. That's when her teacher took away her jelly beans, outraging the child.

Minutes later, the 40-pound girl was in the back of a police cruiser, under arrest for battery. Her hands were bound with plastic ties, her ankles in handcuffs.

"I don't want to go to jail," she said moments after her arrest Monday.

No charges were filed and the girl went home with her mother.

While police say their actions were proper, school officials were not pleased with the outcome.

"We never want to have 5-year-old children arrested," said Michael Bessette, the district's Area III superintendent.

The district's campus police should have been called to help and not local police, he said.


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I bet the kid will never do that again...

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hopefully that scare will get her to mind in school. There is no reason for a kid to act like that.

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Just more proof that sometimes kids need their asses spanked.

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Im not so sure that this event required the use of police though.

They could have called a counselor or school psychologist to handle it.

Restraining the girl by putting her in cuffs? I'm not so sure about this.

I mean really...how much could it take to restrain a 5 year old kid?



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True, but if one of the school employees is tough with the girl, the school could be liable.

Plus, with all the school violence, I can't blame them for calling the fuzz.

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The school was so afraid of a lawsuit they wouldnt even touch her. Its almost too bad she didnt hurt another kid and then HIS parents sued the school for not handling it

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The school was so afraid of a lawsuit they wouldnt even touch her. Its almost too bad she didnt hurt another kid and then HIS parents sued the school for not handling it


Hmm....true.

Its no win situation isnt it?

I dont know.....but like HECK said..I guess the school is afraid of being liable..that happens when lawsuits are being filed against schools continuously.

Its a shame it had to come to this.


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There's also the increasing school violence. Sometimes these little kids are strapped!

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There's also the increasing school violence. Sometimes these little kids are strapped!

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True...I remember the story of that 5 year old kid who brought a gun to school and he ended up killing one of his classmates. That was sad.

In cases like those, I blame the parents, who leave guns lying around the house, which any kid can pick up and use.


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To be fair to the little girl, we are only hearing the school's side of the story. We don't know how the teacher really handled the jelly bean situation. It's quite possible the teacher was mean or disrespectful when she took the jelly beans away. True, the child shouldn't have acted like that, but she's 5, and the social-emotional developmental level of the child, as well as, her previous behavior patterns needs to be taken into consideration before judgement is made.


ETA: I work with small children and their families, and that kind of outrage is usually not just random. I think the administrators need to look into the teacher's discipline and classroom management techniques.


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It is strange that they mention the kid's weight. Is the kid overweight?

As I have said before, kids are hardly disciplined like they used to be (and need to be). That is why we increasingly hear such outrageous stories.

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I think letting the police handle this situation was the correct procedure. The kid was commiting a crime.

Being handcuffed and riding to jail in a police car should be etched into the kid's mind in indelible ink.

If not..then take the parents to jail.


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I think letting the police handle this situation was the correct procedure. The kid was commiting a crime.

Being handcuffed and riding to jail in a police car should be etched into the kid's mind in indelible ink.

If not..then take the parents to jail.


That kind of behavior can traumatize a kid...I wouldnt call it properly handling the situation.

I mean I understand what HECK said...but I still dont know if it had to come to this.

I still think there were other ways of dealing with this problem beforie calling the cops...and even if it did come down to that...there are too many cops that can handle a situation like this without handcuffing the child...I believe they sent the wrong cop to deal with it.


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It is strange that they mention the kid's weight. Is the kid overweight?
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No, the kid is most likely not overweight. My son is 5, and he is one of the smaller kids. He only weighs 42 pounds and he is almost 6.


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That kind of behavior can traumatize a kid...I wouldnt call it properly handling the situation.

I mean I understand what HECK said...but I still dont know if it had to come to this.

I still think there were other ways of dealing with this problem beforie calling the cops...and even if it did come down to that...there are too many cops that can handle a situation like this without handcuffing the child...I believe they sent the wrong cop to deal with it.



I stand by my statement....Let the parents sue the police dept. If someone in school handled it you know how many law suits would be filed?


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I think in all of your self-righteousness and santimonious bull, you are missing the point! This girl was 5 years old. The adults DID NOT handle this situation properly. The child may never had become outraged if the teacher had adequate classroom management skills. At the age of 5 children do not yet have full control of their behavior. I am stating this as a professional with a degree and experience working with young children who have emotional problems. I can't believe you are discussing law suits. We should be thinking about the child. Why did she act like this? There has to be a reason. Like I said before, we are only hearing the adults' side of the story. We don't know the child's side. There is a daycare and preschool at the agency where I work. In our Pre K classroom, if a teacher is doing an activity and a five year child begins to act silly, the teacher is expected to either bring the child back into focus or redirect them to another activity. A five year old only has an attention span of about 10 minutes. Taking the jelly beans away did not teach the child anything. It just made her angry because at 5 years of age a child doesn't understand negative reinforcement. The teacher clearly does not have the skills that are necessary to deal with small children. Instead of blaming the child and/or parents and contemplating who should sue whom, think about the teacher. She seems to be blameless in this scenario, but in my book, she would be the first person I would look at if I was investigating the situation.

She took a fairly normal behavior, a small child being silly during a math lesson, and managed to turn it into a situation that required handcuffs. Shame on her.


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This child, like every child, was unpredictable, and the teacher wasn't to know that disciplining her would have such an effect. Even if she did know, perhaps she wouldn't have changed her method of discipline, because she would know that letting a kid do what they want, when they want, is more often than not as harmful as giving them a packet of cigarettes, a bottle of liquor, and introducing them to a 23 year old homeless guy named Hank.

Well, like heather said, we don't know exactly what the teacher did, but from the sounds of it, she didn't do anything any other teacher wouldn't have done in the same situation. I can't think of a single thing my teacher could have done or said to me when I was five that would have caused me to have an outburst like the one this girl had.


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...because she would know that letting a kid do what they want, when they want, is more often than not as harmful as giving them a packet of cigarettes, a bottle of liquor, and introducing them to a 23 year old homeless guy named Hank.


Frak'n excellent...

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A kid punching a vice principal in the stomach doesn't sound like a normal 5 year old behavior either.

I do not condone the handcuffing and I doubt the police would have been required if parents weren't so touchy about their kid being disciplined. People need to have some faith again in the schools and the teachers.

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Most kids aren't disciplined at home and they certainly cannot be disciplined at school. So, when a kid, who doesn't know better, starts acting like a miscreant, I say slap the cuffs on and remove them from the class.

What kind of kid acts like that? And like I said before, I bet she won't do it again.

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Most kids aren't disciplined at home and they certainly cannot be disciplined at school. So, when a kid, who doesn't know better, starts acting like a miscreant, I say slap the cuffs on and remove them from the class.

What kind of kid acts like that? And like I said before, I bet she won't do it again.

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Amen...brother.


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I have dealt with brats before, and with the limited facts that we have, the kid sounds like a brat.

When I was a kid, parents or teachers didn't put up with brat-behavior. Of course, there were parents who pampered their kids excessively, but the teachers acted as balancing forces. If a kid was being too disruptive and didn't listen to what was told to him or her, they were set straight without much hesitation. The teachers loved us, and therefore also didn't hesitate in excercising their authority.

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I have an unbroken record for having to bring my mother to school for speaking out to teachers who I thought were doing wrong things to other students who were slower than most of the class.

My grades were high enough to insulate me from punishment, but I still had to bring my mother to the schools.

Fortunately she was so pretty the teachers just plain forgot about my big mouth.

But when a teacher just yelled at a kid instead of "teaching" it got me upset.

However I never hit or kicked a teacher.


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Parents are trying yet another way to get someone other than themselves to raise their kids. Teachers are educators, not babysitters. They are there to teach knowledge and help them function in society. There is no class on how to act like a civilized human being and not punch/kick adults. That's the parent?s responsibility.

Teacher?s hands are tied on what they can do and/or say to kids these days. I'm only in my mid-20's, but back in the day, I remember teachers had authority. Sure, kids have always acted out, but there was a very short leash and there was no bleeding-heart reprieve. Kids used to have more respect, probably because they were disciplined at home. The Happy Meal 'Time-Out' generation keeps sinking right before our eyes.

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Society seems to be regressing more than advancing.

In current times everyone blames someone else for all their actions.

However they have fewer and fewer people to look up to and emulate.

Our United Nations have proven to be corrupt , along with CEO's and Martha Stewart.

Money Rules......


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There was a 12 year old girl arrested for hitting her teacher. It is not common anymore for students to cuss their teachers out or mentally abuse them. I was astonished when my niece, who is five years old came home and repeated what she heard a boy calling his teacher.

He said: 'You mother****ing hoe!' (I'm sorry to use the language here but I'm using it to get my point across)

I was shocked beyond all doubt. A five year old saying this! If I ever attempted to say this to my teachers back in Russia I would be flogged!




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There was a 12 year old girl arrested for hitting her teacher. It is not common anymore for students to cuss their teachers out or mentally abuse them. I was astonished when my niece, who is five years old came home and repeated what she heard a boy calling his teacher.

He said: 'You mother****ing hoe!' (I'm sorry to use the language here but I'm using it to get my point across)

I was shocked beyond all doubt. A five year old saying this! If I ever attempted to say this to my teachers back in Russia I would be flogged!




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There was a 12 year old girl arrested for hitting her teacher. It is not common anymore for students to cuss their teachers out or mentally abuse them. I was astonished when my niece, who is five years old came home and repeated what she heard a boy calling his teacher.

He said: 'You mother****ing hoe!' (I'm sorry to use the language here but I'm using it to get my point across)

I was shocked beyond all doubt. A five year old saying this! If I ever attempted to say this to my teachers back in Russia I would be flogged!




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