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Today, a President will be sworn in in time of war. President Bush will be the President of all Americans, not just of those who support him. He will be the President even for the blind fools who will, in their ignorance, seek to disrupt the parade that will pass down this street in a few hours.

Four great Presidents are depicted on Mount Rushmore. Three of them served two terms. One, Theodore Roosevelt, took office after his predecessor was assassinated, and served almost two full terms. So on this day I offer for your benefit quotations from the Second Inaugural Addresses of Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and the first one of Theodore Roosevelt.

The first three of those served as President in times of great peril to this nation. Jefferson and Lincoln served in a time of war. Washington served in the ragged aftermath of the Revolutionary War, and the predicate to the War of 1812. We are today in a war very similar to the one that Jefferson fought against the Barbary Pirates. They were Muslims who attacked Americans wherever they could find them, across national boundaries, and remained a threat until they had been decisively defeated.

There are three reasons for offering these quotations to you. One is that these former Presidents all spoke with eloquence and power. That is not universal among Presidents. We should not expect the Address by President Bush today to rise to the same level. We have had some Presidents who were solid and made good decisions, without being known for their eloquence: President Truman comes to mind.

The second reason for offering these ancient statements is to prove that the challenges to America differ in kind, but not in seriousness. History can teach us about our present and future, if we bother to learn.

And that brings me to the third reason for these comments. President Bush and his administration have been, and will certainly continue to be, under attack by journalists, politicians and others, in gross ignorance of the lessons of the past. I?ll use one example to stand for all the others.

During the confirmation hearings for Condoleeza Rice to be the new Secretary of State, Senator Joseph Biden of Delaware made the following comment about Iraq: ?No one has ever done what we are trying to do.? Hellloooo. Have you heard of World War II, Senator? It was in all the newspapers.

There is a drum beat in the press and among some Members of Congress that this war has failed because we have not yet captured Osama bin Laden. In World War II it took three years and nine months to capture Prime Minister Tojo of Japan, who was then tried as a war criminal and hanged. It took three years and five months to overrun the bunker of Fuhrer Hitler, and another eight months to identify his burned remains and be certain he was dead.

And then after that war was over, it took four years in both Germany and Japan before national elections were conducted, and American troop strength on the ground in both nations could be substantially reduced. It took about ten years before both nations were clearly on the path to become constitutional democracies with free market economies, to the clear benefit of their citizens, our citizens, and the entire world.

So to Senator Biden and all others that snipe without understanding, the ?exit strategy? you demand today is readily available to you. All you have to do is take down from the shelf a competent history of American actions after the surrenders of Germany and Japan. That history should teach you that the arbitrary deadlines for withdrawal of American forces will defeat the very purposes for which our troops have fought and died. The exit strategy is NOT measured by the calendar. It IS of necessity measured strictly and solely by results on the ground.

There are a hard core of Iraqis who want to return to the past, and its bloody dictatorship. This should be no surprise to any students of history. There were hard cores of both Germans and Japanese who wanted to return to the former dictatorships in those nations. In Germany, those holdouts engaged in the murders of Americans, sabotage of facilities, and assassinations of ?cooperative? Germans. Again, the parallel to Iraq is rather precise, for those who read history books.

Japan was a special case. The opposition to American occupation and transformation of Japanese society from a dictatorship to a constitutional democracy was there, but it was not expressed in murderous hostility because of the appeal by the Emperor that no Japanese take up arms anymore.

We now turn to the words of the Presidents on Mount Rushmore. George Washington gave his Second Inaugural Address in the Senate Chambers in Philadelphia on Monday, March 4, 1793. He spoke only two paragraphs and said little of substance. However, he spoke with great eloquence in his Farewell Address to the People of the United States, in 1796. He said:

?Towards the preservation of your government, and the permanency of your present happy state, ... you [should] resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles, however specious the pretexts. One method of assault may be to effect, in the forms of the Constitution, alterations which will impair the energy of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown. ... remember that time and habit are at least as necessary to fix the true character of governments as of other human institutions; that experience is the surest standard by which to test the real tendency of the existing constitution of a country;... Liberty itself will find in such a government, with powers properly distributed and adjusted, its surest guardian. It is, indeed, little else than a name, where the government is too feeble to withstand the enterprises of faction, to confine each member of the society within the limits prescribed by the laws, and to maintain all in the secure and tranquil enjoyment of the rights of person and property.?

George Washington made this statement immediately before he warned the nation, in vain, against ?the baneful effects? of political parties. He may have been right about that. But it is a barn from which the horse was stolen centuries ago.

President Jefferson gave his Second Address in the Senate Chambers in Washington on Monday, March 4, 1805. He said:

?At home, fellow-citizens, you best know whether we have done well or ill. The suppression of unnecessary offices, of useless establishments and expenses, enabled us to discontinue our internal taxes. These, covering our land with officers and opening our doors to their intrusions, had already begun that process of domiciliary vexation which once entered is scarcely to be restrained from reaching successively every article of property and produce. If among these taxes some minor ones fell which had not been inconvenient, it was because their amount would not have paid the officers who collected them, and because, if they had any merit, the State authorities might adopt them instead of others less approved.?

That has a very modern ring about ending the excesses of government bureaucracies and the burdens of excessive taxation, doesn?t it?

Later in that speech, Jefferson said,

?During this course of administration, and in order to disturb it, the artillery of the press has been leveled against us, charged with whatsoever its licentiousness could devise or dare. These abuses of an institution so important to freedom and science are deeply to be regretted, inasmuch as they tend to lessen its usefulness and to sap its safety. They might, indeed, have been corrected by the wholesome punishments reserved to and provided by the laws of the several States against falsehood and defamation, but public duties more urgent press on the time of public servants, and the offenders have therefore been left to find their punishment in the public indignation.

?Nor was it uninteresting to the world that an experiment should be fairly and fully made, whether freedom of discussion, unaided by power, is not sufficient for the propagation and protection of truth?whether a government conducting itself in the true spirit of its constitution, with zeal and purity, and doing no act which it would be unwilling the whole world should witness, can be written down by falsehood and defamation.?

Again, President Jefferson has a very modern sound in his condemnation of a press which chooses false attacks over honest reporting.

President Lincoln delivered his Second Address on the East Portico of the Capitol in Washington on Saturday, March 4, 1865. The just-completed dome of the Capitol was behind him. Pennsylvania Avenue was a sea of mud. The nation was at war for its life. First, he noted that such a speech should be short:

?At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.?


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Think about it. In the middle of the Civil War, Lincoln made no ?prediction? about the outcome of the war. If President Bush made the same statement today, the mainstream media would flay the bark off him.

Of the contest between North and South, Lincoln spoke in very theological terms:

?Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. ?Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.? If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him??

Imagine if you will the apoplexy of the ACLU if President Bush dared to speak words like that, this afternoon.

Lincoln closed with these memorable words:

?With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.?

Lincoln was not only a great President, he was also a great communicator, long before that phrase was invented. He not only said what he meant, he said so in phrases that ring down through the ages with the clarity and quality of a bell that is rung.

Theodore Roosevelt had already served three years after the assassination of President McKinley, when Roosevelt was elected in his own right. He gave his Inaugural Address in public, on the East Portico of the Capitol in Washington, on Saturday, March 4, 1905. He said:

?Much has been given us, and much will rightfully be expected from us. We have duties to others and duties to ourselves; and we can shirk neither. We have become a great nation, forced by the fact of its greatness into relations with the other nations of the earth, and we must behave as beseems a people with such responsibilities. Toward all other nations, large and small, our attitude must be one of cordial and sincere friendship. We must show not only in our words, but in our deeds, that we are earnestly desirous of securing their good will by acting toward them in a spirit of just and generous recognition of all their rights. But justice and generosity in a nation, as in an individual, count most when shown not by the weak but by the strong. While ever careful to refrain from wrongdoing others, we must be no less insistent that we are not wronged ourselves. We wish peace, but we wish the peace of justice, the peace of righteousness. We wish it because we think it is right and not because we are afraid. No weak nation that acts manfully and justly should ever have cause to fear us, and no strong power should ever be able to single us out as a subject for insolent aggression.?

This is a longer and more precise statement of Roosevelt?s well-known quote about diplomacy, ?Speak softly, and carry a big stick.? He ended with these closing words, which define the role of the citizen in a free nation:

?We know that self-government is difficult. We know that no people needs such high traits of character as that people which seeks to govern its affairs aright through the freely expressed will of the freemen who compose it. But we have faith that we shall not prove false to the memories of the men of the mighty past. They did their work, they left us the splendid heritage we now enjoy. We in our turn have an assured confidence that we shall be able to leave this heritage unwasted and enlarged to our children and our children's children. To do so we must show, not merely in great crises, but in the everyday affairs of life, the qualities of practical intelligence, of courage, of hardihood, and endurance, and above all the power of devotion to a lofty ideal, which made great the men who founded this Republic in the days of Washington, which made great the men who preserved this Republic in the days of Abraham Lincoln.?

Should we expect words of such grace and power this afternoon? Probably not. But should we expect statements that are consistent with the great sweep of American history, including these Presidents and their words and ideas?

Absolutely.

Because of the times we are in, I close with my own preferred quote from American history. The author never held any elective office here. He served for a time in the French Assembly, and was spared from the guillotine only by the intervention of his then-friend, President Jefferson. Yet no one has ever exceeded the power of his words for the present and future of the United States.

Here is what Thomas Paine wrote in the darkest hours of the American Revolution:

?These are the times that try men's souls.
The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will,
In this crisis, shrink from the service of their country;
But he that stands it now,
Deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered;
Yet we have this consolation with us, that
The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly:
It is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
Heaven knows how to put a proper price
Upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed
If so celestial an article as FREEDOM
Should not be highly rated.?

Thank you, my friends, for being here. And in the cause of freedom, at home and abroad, in these times of crisis, may God bless America.

?John Armor


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Irrelevant to this section CJ!

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Irrelevant to this section CJ!


Therein lies your problem, Sean.


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The ACLU probabaly wants to remove the bible from inagurations too.
Next will be the dollar. "In God we trust" and, "So help me God".
You probaly will not be able to say, "God bless America".

When Muslims want to add the call to prayer in their Mosques over a loud speaker, where is the ACLU? Silent!


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Therein lies your problem, Sean.


No, it is not a "problem" that I don't want you posting political topics in the Tsunami disaster forum. Though my opinion differs from yours on a number of topics, it does not impair my ability to post topics/threads in relevant forums where they belong.


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Wrong again, Sean. Tsunami forum my arse! I originally posted this in the "Post-9/11 Era" forum?where it couldn't be more relevant.

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Tsunami, Post- 9/11 - both equally irrelevant to a topic on the current presidency which has its own forum. Sorry if I can't keep all the facts straight with your off-topic posting.. you do it so much I can't possibly keep up with you any more. (Didn't you say you weren't coming back after Nov 3rd? Why the change of heart?) Oh well...)

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Okie, dokie.

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leave the blocks in the corner of the playroom post #10  quote:

and the kindergarten children will come back to play with them.

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Politics Over Freedom post #11  quote:

Retired General Wesley Clark appeared on Scarborough Country (MSNBC) to talk about the upcoming Iraqi elections. Unfortunately, it seemed the General was more interested in downplaying the significance of the historic event later this week than adding proper perspective to the story.

Why?

Because some Democrats have staked their political careers on the Iraqi experiment in democracy being nothing less than a grand failure.

Like most editorial pages in the United States (and governments in Europe), victory over the forces of terrorism in Iraq is seen as a political loss at home.

If you stuck a gun to my head and asked me to name one good thing that would come out of a John Kerry victory, I would have told you that his win would have finally forced Democrats to get behind their Commander in Chief leading America in our war on terror.

But since their candidate lost, it seems too many Democrats have decided that the people of Iraq must lose their right to be free.

How sad that politicians at home would allow their hatred of George W. Bush put them in the position to be cheering for the same result in Iraq as OBL and Zarqawi.

?Joe Scarborough


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Leno

As you know, President Bush had his swearing-in yesterday. In fact, a lot of Democrats are still swearing.

The inauguration was a very emotional moment. Laura Bush had tears in her eyes, the president?s mom, Barbara Bush, had tears in her eyes ... John Kerry had tears in his eyes.

I tell you what?s really sad - did you see Bill and Hillary at the inauguration? Bill sitting there wishing it was 1996 and Hillary was there wishing it was 2008.


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I had tears in my eyes, but they were of a different sort.

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How Many More? post #14  quote:

and half the nation had tears in its eyes - tears of sorrow. how many more will die to satisfy that imbecile's thirst for power and glory?

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I had tears in my eyes, because a piece of dust got caught under my eyelid

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ahhaha gawd that's an ugly baby

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Cute baby curley!

I'm guessing his parents are happy about 4 more years for Dubya.


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Cute baby curley!

I'm guessing his parents are happy about 4 more years for Dubya.


Not as happy as I am?


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