One cannot help but wonder where the morality lies within the current handling of Iraq's oil fields.
Currently, the oil is sold on the world market with the proceeds going, I believe, into a fund managed by the U.N. (or some horsesh*it agency) and then, eventually, back to Iraq (Last time I checked, anyway).
The question, then, that begs an answer.... is this moral?
Gas prices in the U.S. are rather high right now. I believe that the oil from Iraq should be pumped directly into U.S. refineries to alleviate the high cost of gasoline, and relieve the Americans who had paid with their tax-dollars to liberate that barren land.
While it's true that in some parts of Iraq that there is resistance to liberation by a faction of radical Allah-seekers, we must not forget that those in question can now wail and scream in the streets with freedom... freedom from fear... rather than under the fearsome clutches of Saddam Hussein and his two bastard sons.
Saddam Hussein and his henchmen were bastards for sure. As for the Americans tax-dollars being used for this war ... noone, and certainly not the UN, asked for them to be employed to wage such a war. This is a decision taken by the US administration, so why should the Iraqi oil be pumped straight to the american refineries to compensate something that is from the US' sole decision and responsibility ?
Yes - but isn't it this "political correctness" that has been supposedly driving the Bush admin foreign policy for the past couple of years, according to those people's claims ? Don't we hear right wingers on this board blaming the decadent europeans for their supposed procrastination, while the US would play the moral high ground ?
Sowhat I know about your lucidity on all these concerns. Personaly I am fed up with those dishonest individuals spewing their propaganda over here. It is not a question of difference of nationality, to the contrary of what those people conveniently claim to justify their looking down at us. We are just talking about intellectual honesty.
How can anyone fight a war these days AND be honest....?
how can countries use MI5, MI6, CIA and all the rest....and rely on truthful information when these agencies are ALL about subterfuge and disinformation.....?
Most people do rely on what comes out of a politicians mouth as honesty and truth....when in reality their statements feed into this disinformation and propaganda.
I have said it before on this forum that I would have more respect for the Bush administration if they did come out and explain their true reasons for invading Iraq....but the problem is....maybe some of these people caught up in the propaganda would have opposed their reasons......but I am not so sure IF they would have opposed these actions given most can't think past the TV screen.
sowhatsthetruth said this in post #7 : That's not the reason.....oil is just one of the spoils of war....and in Arabic Middle Eastern countries....that's about the only spoil ya got.
Nations don't go to war for the spoils.
If that were the case the USA would have gone after Venezuela and some African countries too.
War itself is a spoil. War is hugely profitable. America is the biggest arms dealer in the world. The UK is the second biggest dealer. And then there's reconstruction. Someone always profiteers from war.
And coutries go to war all the time. They just don't necessarily send their own troops. But they do send weapons, training and intelligence to whoever they support. For this help not surprisingly they expect in return some reward and it's usually something to do with trade benefits.
The war machine isn't a spoil in itself. It's a system that ensures self-preservation.
President Dwight D Eisenhower warned the American people about the militaryindustrial complex...
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
I beg to differ. I for one feel the oil needs to go back into the Iraqi economy. If they want to SELL us oil, so be it. I am sure we can oblidge them. I would rather buy the oil from Iraq than Saudi.
They don't owe us a favor of oil. If you feel this way then you also must believe this war was for an oil benefit or scheme alone. I for one don't believe it.
I also don't envision any direct benifit from Iraqi oil in the US unless it is purchased through investing oil companies.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
Oil is the resource to many avenues of revenue in Iraq. Some of you are very short sighted to simply believe that it's about pumping oil onto ships bound for the US.
This is a fact. Had Saddam never invaded Kuwait, he'd still be on the US ally list and if Saddam's regime were never found to be sitting on such a large surplus of oil, the US would not be in Iraq today.
Oil is a means to revenue gentlemen not the end to it. Surely you must see this by now or (pardon the pun) you're just burying your heads in the sand.
Governor Bush on Kosovo war exit strategy in 99 ” Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
President Bush on Iraq war exit strategy from 2003 to 2008. “ “
All western countries have been playing such a tricky game for years, manipulating third world countries as they saw fit their own interest. The height of cynism however consists in painting one's actions with moral colours. In such a way the Bush admin has been very good, particularly domestically, ripping off the american public by scaring it the hell out.
USA, you're just simply missing the puzzle. Maybe you should buy yourself a vowel.
But of course. Saddam was a great threat to the nation with his phatom tons of WMD that we needed to go over there, take him out, and protect their oil structures. After the dog and pony show at the UN declaring everything seen from a few hundred miles above earth was proof positive, I can see how you have the utmost confidence that we were justified.
Governor Bush on Kosovo war exit strategy in 99 ” Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
President Bush on Iraq war exit strategy from 2003 to 2008. “ “
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