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Ben Franklin was a SATANIST?? post #1  quote:



Im sure you heard of the rumour that Abe Lincoln was gay, but have you heard of this one? it shouldn't shock you unless you dont know some of the things the founding fathers were involved in

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Benjamin Franklin's links to occult secret societies have long been known. In the clip below, the History Channel talks about his involvement in the Hellfire Club, a secret society that conducted black masses and orgies These bizarre, occult practices are still going on today in secret societies like the Bohemian club (Alex Jones infilitrated the Bohemian Grove and caught one of their rituals on tape -- click here to go see the video).

Link to see Alex Jones Bohemian Grove film for FREE, FULL LENGHT at bottom of this post

In 1998, workmen restoring Franklin's London home dug up the remains of six children and four adults hidden below the home. The London Times reported on February 11, 1998:

"Initial estimates are that the bones are about 200 years old and were buried at the time Franklin was living in the house, which was his home from 1757 to 1762, and from 1764 to 1775. Most of the bones show signs of having been dissected, sawn or cut. One skull has been drilled with several holes. Paul Knapman, the Westminster Coroner, said yesterday: "I cannot totally discount the possibility of a crime. There is still a possibility that I may have to hold an inquest."

Remains of ten bodies at Ben Franklin's home
The Sunday Times |February 11, 1998

WORKMEN have dug up the remains of ten bodies hidden beneath the former London home of Benjamin Franklin, the founding father of American independence.

The remains of four adults and six children were discovered during the 1.9 million restoration of Franklin's home at 36 Craven Street, close to Trafalgar Square. Researchers believe that there could be more bodies buried beneath the basement kitchens.

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Many won't believe this but it does come from the history channel (click first link of this post to see the clip from history channel), and bodies were found beneath his home. According to historians the satanic hellfire club is the one where they had to break all 10 commandments in a weekend as an initiation. Sick people...

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Who really rules America? United States Presidents and The Masonic Power Structure.
Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove, FREE video


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Interesting...but if that were true and Franklin was a Satanist...

why would he sign the Declaration of Independence, which uses references to God 4 times?

Would that not be giving God a higher purpose than a true Satanist would want?


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Isn't the god above is rivalled by the god below..? Anyway, it's a bunch of useless balogna. People should expend their brain cells more constructuvely.

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why would he sign the Declaration of Independence, which uses references to God 4 times?

Would that not be giving God a higher purpose than a true Satanist would want?

Despite what some politicians like to claim, the United States of America was not founded on Christian principles. It's true that the first European SETTLERS here (ignoring even earlier scandinavian explorers) were puritan Christians. However, the US Constitution is one of the most completely secular government doocuments in the world. It helped that the people the wrote it (you know, the "Founding Fathers", Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, etc.) were by and large made up of Atheists, Agnostics, and even FreeMasons.


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Despite what some politicians like to claim, the United States of America was not founded on Christian principles. It's true that the first European SETTLERS here (ignoring even earlier scandinavian explorers) were puritan Christians. However, the US Constitution is one of the most completely secular government doocuments in the world. It helped that the people the wrote it (you know, the "Founding Fathers", Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, etc.) were by and large made up of Atheists, Agnostics, and even FreeMasons.



If it isnt religious in that context...then why after originally mentioning God twice, did they rewrite it to have him mentioned two more times?

There has to be some sort of religious connotation to it..

Well...I guess if it wasnt intended that way...it certainly ended up that way...so if they didnt want it to be God-intended...I guess it kind of back-fired on them.


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Are you thinking of the declaration of independence, mystic? I don't think God is mentioned in the Constitution IIRC... (?) I'm too tired to verify now

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This kind of ties into the founding fatheres being Freemason's or apart of the Illuminati.

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Are you thinking of the declaration of independence, mystic? I don't think God is mentioned in the Constitution IIRC... (?) I'm too tired to verify now



It just hit me...yes thats what Im thinking of! I was still on the Ben Franklin signing the Declaration of Independence that I just blanked out the Constitution thing.

Okay..but even so...if you stay on the Declaration, doesnt what I say still stand to a point?

Who wrote the Declaration? Thomas Jefferson

Who signed it? People like Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson...


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Interestingly enough...I found this....

Read the last paragraph of ARTICLE VII of the original U.S. Constitution. You will learn the signatories gave their assent "in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the states present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.."


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Throughout the relatively short period of American histroy, Ben Franklin was regarded as a "deist" as well as many of the founding fathers were so regarded.

Deists believe in a generic god, no name, no face, no relationship with this god shall humans have....this god doesn't even involve himself in the everyday affairs of humans. This god is just out there way beyond human reach.

And if you look at the back of a one dollar bill at the great seal...

it says "Annuit Coeptis" (god overlooks our undertakings)
below is the pyramid with the eye of "Horus" as the capstone. "Horus" was one of many Egyptian gods.

Underneath the pyramid is inscribed "novus order seclorum"....(new order of the ages)

Many of the founding fathers were deists and freemasons.

The 'G' in the freemasonry symbol stands for "god-grand geometrician of the universe," geometry," and "goodwill."

Whether this "god" on our coinage or alluded to in historical documents is really acribed to the Christian God or the other......that's for people to decide for themselves.

I would just say "render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar."


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Whether this "god" on our coinage or alluded to in historical documents is really acribed to the Christian God or the other......that's for people to decide for themselves.


Really? Its for us to decide ourselves? Well...Im good with that of course...but seeing that some people make others believe that our country was founded on a Christian belief and try to instill that into our politics (even though they shouldnt)...then this is an interesting argument to get rid of that altogether.


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Mystic,
I completely agree with you.

I don't want the state to infringe on my beliefs....
and I don't believe my beliefs should merge with political ones....
I have opinions of course based on my beliefs, and they may sway who or if I even vote.
I believe in a COMPLETE separation of church and state....

which of course means, that I do have an issue with my church maintaining a 501C3 status non profit status...

I have talked with my Pastor about it and he is soooooo apolitical that he doesn't see a problem with it.
He doesn't even talk about politics....he says it's not his place to....I am not even sure if he even votes, to be honest.

But, if the homosexual community tries to get married in our church and he declines....he is willing to take a stand on that.....
because THAT would be the state infringing on our beliefs.


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My Pastor has mentioned that "Christendom" today in its apostasy is taking on "Jesus and everything else."
And pretty soon the "everything else" is all they will be concerned about.
Its pure distraction for a true believer in Christ.


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Deists believe in a generic god, no name, no face, no relationship with this god shall humans have....this god doesn't even involve himself in the everyday affairs of humans. This god is just out there way beyond human reach.


Isn't this AKA "agnostic?"


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Isn't this AKA "agnostic?"


It could.

I always thought an agnostic was someone who hadn't decided either way whether God existed. They weren't completely against the belief and they weren't fully convinced either.


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My New World Dictionary defines an agnostic as a person who believes that the human mind cannot know whether there is a God or an ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena

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My New World Dictionary defines an agnostic as a person who believes that the human mind cannot know whether there is a God or an ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena


Anything beyond material phenomena...heh?

Guess love would be one of those unknowns or nonexistents to the mind....but then again, love is a matter of the heart....and spirit.


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hmmm...very interesting..I want to catch the history channel show about this...man...the history channel is awesome!

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