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Is it wrong to be a homosexual? tell me what you think.

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no, I don't choose to go that route but if you're gay that is fine, it's a biological thing, society has no effect whatsoever whether you are gay or not so you can't get mad at who's gay, they were born that way. Peace

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it's a biological thing, society has no effect whatsoever whether you are gay or not so you can't get mad at who's gay, they were born that way. Peace


I don't agree with this statement, homosexuals are not always born gay, there are certain occurances that happen in some peoples life that can make them lose interest in men.
For example, say a woman gets raped or sexually abused by a man when she was younger, or even as an adult, she may no longer feel comfortable being touched by a man intimately, therefore may turn to women. I am gay, but I was never abused in any way, but I was not born gay either. I used to be into guys fully, but after a while, I started to realise that I liked girls too, you can't control it, it just happens.

There is nothing to be ashamed of if your are gay, its as natural as a boy/girl relationship, after all, isn't a relationship about love?

Although stupid narrow minded people like to make witty insults to gay people, like, "dyke get on your bike" or "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve", its not unnatural, and in today's society people are starting to realise that...

I am gay and proud, and so should all homosexuals be...


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that's true that can happen but the way that you're making it sound is that everyone who is gay was raped. That obviously isn't true and I hate to tell you about your life but you were always gay but since society tells us that guys go with girls and vice versa you were going to be into boys until you realized that you were gay. Sorry to say it but you've always been gay.

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Sorry to say it but you've always been gay.


ummm no.. I haven't... I actually used to never like gay people or the thought of them having sex, you know nothing about me... and I never made it sound like all gay people were raped, I said that was an example and so I don't think you have any right to assume that I, and others like me were destined to be gay... that's bullsh*t...


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I think bi/homo-sexuality is both a genetic and learned behavior. I don't think there's anything "wrong" with it so long's it stays the hell away from me. I've had plenty of interaction with gay folk to know that I don't enjoy hearing their constant sexual antics and eyeballing me like some gay peice of meat - stay the F*** away.

That being said, if gays/bi's can separate their sexual preferences from the rest of their social & professional lives, I'm fine with being around them. The way I see it, there is a "natural order" for men to be with women to procreate and propagate the species. Since, of course, homosexuals are not bearing children between themselves, they clearly are of the understanding that they are not part of that natural order and thereby engage in sexual conduct which is recreational and/or emotional, but which has no impact on natural order which continues without them. If they do not try to disrupt the natural order, foricibly spread their doctrine on the unwilling, then what reason have I to complain?


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yes but not all people are religious and follow the "natural" order of things...

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I am gay and proud, and so should all homosexuals be


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I also find it somewhat amusing that people take "pride" in something such as their sexual preference. "Gay pride" - why? What are you proud of? Is it some special achievement, or did you overcome some amazing barrier?

In contrast, I can say that there is certainly no cause for you to have shame, but pride? I'd rather not see any more stupid parades about your sexuality marching down the street, it's ridiculous. This is the kind of behavior that ticks off anti-gays - they don't like gays "rubbing it in their face" - throwing parades through the middle of town serves no purpose other than to rub it in their face, ONLY to piss them off. What else could possibly be accomplished? It's tiring and IMHO kind of a pathetic vie for attention.

Build a boat or learn to fly - take pride in that. But I don't care that you have gay sex any more than you care that I have straight sex.
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yes but not all people are religious and follow the "natural" order of things...


.. by "natural order" I'm not talking religion either - I'm talking "nature". Nature has produced two organisms, one male, the other female, both specially equiped such that offspring my be conceived through copulation. No other combination results in this miracle. Thus this is what nature intended and thus it is the "natural order".

Of note: I'm not trying to be offensive or anything here, I'm just interested in the topic.


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so we shouldn't be proud that we have overcome years of homophobia? and verbal and physical attacks?

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so we shouldn't be proud that we have overcome years of homophobia? and verbal and physical attacks?


Well that's what I'm asking.. what feat or challenge lies in "overcoming" homophobia & hate crimes? That "you made it" and are still alive through it all? That you still exist despite what others think of you? That's a source of pride? I ask then: why do you give a rat's @$$ about what other people think of you? Seems to me that if you didn't care about that, you'd have no source of gay pride..(?)


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u confuse me.. I can't be asked to back up what i know we have a right to be proud about...

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u confuse me.. I can't be asked to back up what i know we have a right to be proud about...


well surely you know "what" you're proud of else you'd be proud of nothing. If you have gay pride then you're proud to be gay - I'm just wondering what the source of pride is, really. I mean.. I'm not so proud to be straight.. it just sort of happened and well, here I am. I'm not proud to be caucasian, nor to be male, nor to be American, really. I am proud though of my achievements that I have worked hard for. Why is it that gays should be proud? What is that source of pride? Just for being who they are? How is that different from anyone else in the world who is who they are with little or no effort at all?


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I'm convinced that the state of being homosexual is not natural. It must be mostly psychological - or is at least initiated by genetics in one's system that may at one time or another make someone more susceptible to psychological reactions leading to homosexuality.

By the sheer fact that a homosexual species cannot reproduce amongst its own, it cannot survive and evolve as a species. A purely homosexual race of beings would die - or perhaps over time, if willing in evolution, become asexual. I don't see that this has happened naturally either - and only approaches the line without crossing via scientific and technological innovations.

So - since nature does not allow for the species to survive without the assistance of the opposing sex - homosexuality cannot be natural.


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no Head here...Damm wrong thread again! post #15  quote:

Well Being a 'Man" and "Straight", Gay men are a dissapointment to our gender is my opinion. To Me, Old school is this...Men are MEN...They Do Man things. Real men are not wimps or sissy's when the going gets tough. Real Men dont let a woman have to take control because their wimps. Men Are Strong.

On the other hand. Two women Does not disturb me... Un-less one of them is 'Butch" or Tuff as a Man or acts like a bad a$$.

Truth though, I lived in a Three-some , myself and two "BarBie' types for 31 months. I have to say still to day it was the best relationship I ever had. Neither one of the Barbies was Butch.

We went every where together...It was the same as a couple in alot of ways, but there was three of us. Most guys google and think of the sex part...Yes the sex was very good, in "stereo", But PMS in stereo was brutal BELIEVE ME.

We never cared what others thought.....Except when it came to barbie's parents...we kept a very low profile..they thought we were just all good friends.


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On the other hand. Two women Does not disturb me... Un-less one of them is 'Butch" or Tuff as a Man or acts like a bad a$$.


This is why marriage, while a powerful (and traditionally religious) symbol in today's society, is also not natural when considering man's relationship to women in countless social settings, some ancient some not, dating back to primitive times.

From my understanding of an age long ago, a man did not settle down with one woman but found it natural to enjoy many mates, i.e. one man and lots of women - women together - i.e. why generally NO man has any problem whatsoever with lesbians, assuming they meet his subjective sexual approval.

Women - on the other hand - were, and still are, not this way.

Times have changed, however, through social pressures, the arrival of deadly sexually tranmitted diseases, and an evolved sense of what love is between loyal partners, where both men and women can see the value in sharing life in a sanctimonial union.

Of course, I'm speaking very generally as there are exceptions to every rule - particularly when one's theory may have no accurate foundation whatsoever.


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I agree, to men, the sight of two women that are a couple is more sexy than 2 guys... I have a male cuz that is gay, and when he came out everyone was like "okaaaaaaaay laterz" when I came out, they all asked me questions abt the sex n stuff... I am ur typical girl, cept I skateboard, and I am attracted to other girly girls, not butch ones... males often ask me can they join in or watch... now u have to admit that this is a lil hypocritical, men say that homosexuality is unnatural and not right etc, but give them a chance to watch u and ur gf havin sex, whats their answer? I think u'll find that atleast 50% or more will choose to watch. Now clearly, the Earth's Race needs to breed to stay alive but alot of homosexual couples do have children or want children, either by sperm doner or adoption, I disagree with this because I think a child should be brought up with atleast a father figure but a survey done last year showed that 78% of women asked admitted that they are atleast bi-curious. That's an astonishing figure.

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I agree, to men, the sight of two women that are a couple is more sexy than 2 guys... I have a male cuz that is gay, and when he came out everyone was like "okaaaaaaaay laterz" when I came out, they all asked me questions abt the sex n stuff... I am ur typical girl, cept I skateboard, and I am attracted to other girly girls, not butch ones... males often ask me can they join in or watch... now u have to admit that this is a lil hypocritical, men say that homosexuality is unnatural and not right etc, but give them a chance to watch u and ur gf havin sex, whats their answer? I think u'll find that at least 50% or more will choose to watch. Now clearly, the Earth's Race needs to breed to stay alive but alot of homosexual couples do have children or want children, either by sperm doner or adoption, I disagree with this because I think a child should be brought up with atleast a father figure but a survey done last year showed that 78% of women asked admitted that they are at least bi-curious. That's an astonishing figure.
(hey Marc..Just used the spell check on her quote)

yes as Marc stated It more excepted with two women. homosexual is two guys to me. Maybe because I never looked up the Meaning. Two women are "lovers" not homo's. A Butch and a Dyke is "leg lickers" and spend is much as a man with "SNAP-ON-TOOLS.

Yes men say they just want to watch, but what else are they 'UP" to?
No real man would ever ask to watch two female "Lovers" sharing intimancy. How ever the smart approch would be to get both Lovers to be attracted to him and they will INvite to "Share" their love.


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(hey Marc..Just used the spell check on her quote)


What's that supposed to mean?


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He's playing with the newly implemented "spell checker" that I told him about earlier. All good.

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(hey Marc..Just used the spell check on her quote)



Yes men say they just want to watch, but what else are they 'UP" to?
No real man would ever ask to watch two female "Lovers" sharing intimancy. How ever the smart approch would be to get both Lovers to be attracted to him and they will INvite to "Share" their love.



This is all too true. A man who asks if they can "watch" isn't going to want to "Watch" for too long.
they will try to join.

Being from the bible belt (i'm gonna rub that in because it sure as hell isn't the bible belt) I've seen this stuff at parties.

I'll make this short:
When I was 17, there was about 8 of us crammed in this big hoop-tee car. We decided to hit the pool hall, it was about 8:30 on a friday. We met some more friends (probably about 15 of us in all).
One of my friends brings this cute little girl up to me and was like "this is so and so" i replied happy to meet you.
She wanted to meet me for some reason - anyways (yeah i know short) we all went to a cabin party at one of our many lakes, and She asked me to watch her and her "Girl friend."
Well, i was pretty blitzed at this time and was like "sure, why not - i'm getting pretty bored." Well, we went into the kitchen and they started doing their thing and let's just say i left because around 5-6 other people came in there (male and female) and started a Greek ring.
Pretty jacked up huh? The only difference is they wanted me in there compared to me asking.


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This is all too true. A man who asks if they can "watch" isn't going to want to "Watch" for too long.
they will try to join.

Being from the bible belt (i'm gonna rub that in because it sure as hell isn't the bible belt) I've seen this stuff at parties.

I'll make this short:
When I was 17, there was about 8 of us crammed in this big hoop-tee car. We decided to hit the pool hall, it was about 8:30 on a friday. We met some more friends (probably about 15 of us in all).
One of my friends brings this cute little girl up to me and was like "this is so and so" i replied happy to meet you.
She wanted to meet me for some reason - anyways (yeah i know short) we all went to a cabin party at one of our many lakes, and She asked me to watch her and her "Girl friend."
Well, i was pretty blitzed at this time and was like "sure, why not - i'm getting pretty bored." Well, we went into the kitchen and they started doing their thing and let's just say i left because around 5-6 other people came in there (male and female) and started a Greek ring.
Pretty jacked up huh? The only difference is they wanted me in there compared to me asking.

Well Dream z...I was unaware that your area of O.K. was the Bible belt. This group seems they are secure in their "Performance" enough to have an Audience watching.

Maybe all the 'Twisters" causes the bible people to be "Twisted" in their beliefs...or they don't expect to have a long life because at any time an F5 can come a knocking..


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Originally posted by wonkyconcrete
Ugly and stupid people should never be allowed to fornicate.

There should be severe restrictions on East coast fornication.

The ban on fornication in texas should be lifted now that we can see the results that sex with farm animals has brought.

Experimental fornication and fornication between people of the same sex should be compulsary at an early age just to avoid confusion in teenage years.

Fornication between old wrinkly people should be banned entirley to avoid occurances of this particulary sickening image.

Fornication between people with no arms and no legs should be encouraged.

Once this is sorted out then anyone who wants to fornicate should agree to do so in a sensible and adult manner with at least 7 independant witness's in a public place.

Unless you are called George. (then you @#@# who you please, when you want.)
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Actually - most of OK is considered the bible belt. It seems to lay straight across in a Northeast direction. That's the mapping of it anyway.
haha - the F5 might be true; An F5 bounced over my house once. It was about 2 miles wide. it also had a couple twins that rotated around it making it wider.


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I am not here to judge anybody. I have no problemwith gays, lesbians,or whatever you prefer. All i can say is that you should read the bible. Try 1corithians 6:9.

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for those of us who are not of religion, namely me, what does this part of the bible say?

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for those of us who are not of religion, namely me, what does this part of the bible say?


You can read this online. Here is the passage meant, and this host provides free access to the other part of Bible.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/...3A9&version=AMP

Definitely, homosexuals wouldn't be saved. Drunkards either.


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oh well.. i am a homosexual, a drunkard and an atheist... I guess I'm goin to hell huh?

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oh well.. i am a homosexual, a drunkard and an atheist... I guess I'm goin to hell huh?



If you're an atheist you don't beleive in hell.
Christians around you may beleive you're going to hell. Absolutely.


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oh well... atleast I'll have a nice tan all year round..

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