Bush's reputation for being tough on terror is based on image, not reality. The invasion of Iraq was a Bush administration effort to divert attention from the primary financier of terrorism and the source of much of the al Qaeda leadership: Saudi Arabia. The Bush administration doesn't want the American people to know that Saudi Arabia financed al Qaeda because Saudi Arabians keep possibly as much as a trillion dollars on deposit in US banks. The report by the 9/11 Commission was truncated of anything that touched the links between Saudi Arabia and 9/11. A CIA official James Woolsey said about 30 pages classified as “top secret” were withheld by the executive branch because they would have revealed embarrassing things about Saudi Arabia. In other words, Bush helps terrorists by protecting Saudi Arabia.
The Bush administration has used the propaganda techniques worthy of Goebbels to instill an unrelenting state of fear in Americans, producing an agitated psychological condition in which almost no other issue than the urge for self-survival dominates the national agenda. Not only does this prevent any discussion of Bush's ruinous effect on the economy, it also allows the Bush administration to pass extremist legislation in a Republican Congress.
The fact is that Bush is a manipulative liar who misled the American people. People who voted for Bush are completely brainwashed. There are still a lot of people who think that there were WMD in Iraq and that there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda but their opinions are based on ignorance.
Lou_Sir said this in post #1 : The fact is that Bush is a manipulative liar who misled the American people.
I think you unintentionally left out the word "intentionally" in there, as in "The fact is that Bush is a manipulative liar who *intentionally* misled the American people.
As for people voting for him being "brainwashed", that information is legend by now. It's shocking to learn what they actually believed to be true vs. the real truth, especially in the South. For the next four years, the Democratic party needs to reach those people and teach them to look up from their bibles now and then and read about what's really going on in this country.
Ron Ackerman said this in post #3 : Oh Pleeeease....Yeah Right!!! And 9/11 had nothing to do with it. Come on Get a life!
You people are really out there.
Really out there? Wow that's good considering the Bush government sent troops to the wrong country after 9/11.
But anyway, fear not - the American people have spoken and an ex alcoholic, born again, and a guy who has a hard time recognising the truth, Dick "to busy to go to vietnam" Cheyne have now got 4 more years to start a few more wars. The two nuke buttons, is one pressed by Bush and one by Cheney??
Ron Ackerman said this in post #5 : So are you saying that bin Laden and Al Qaeda were not in Afganistan? Maybe you should be in the CIA or MI6.
Afghanistan was just the starter. The main course is Iraq.
Although I'm sure the necons would have jump straight into Iraq but that would have confused even some of you conservatives, and anyway, what with 15 of the 19 coming from Saudi Arabia, I'm surprised you guys aren't feeling dizzy.
Or maybe that confusion just makes it okay to attack anyone in the ME just so long as Bush says - we're fighting trrrrrism. And Iran next year, cause that's where Hussein shipped the stockpiles of American threatening WMD?
So it's ok to use UN and US money for suicide bombers. IE Oil for Food Program? The US funds 22% of the UN. Saddam squandered over $17 Billion from the UN. Kofi won't open records so that Volker can investigate the Program.
Look we are still on the hunt for Osama and have captured many of his top leaders. Saddam was not a diversion.
The reason for the IRAQ War was the UN not Terrorism. Although Saddams regime was classified as part of the Axis of Evil.
If you look at things though a tunnel then Bush is wrong, however if you look at the whole big pictures then Bush is correct. And that's the big problem. You have such a narrow view of the situation that you can't see the big picture. I can't draw the big picture for you. Looking at one piece of the puzzle you will never understand.
Ron Ackerman: So it's ok to use UN and US money for suicide bombers. IE Oil for Food Program? The US funds 22% of the UN. Saddam squandered over $17 Billion from the UN. Kofi won't open records so that Volker can investigate the Program.
No it's not okay. If the UN has done something wrong then those involved should be held accountable. This is the only way for the world to go if we're not going to descend into international lawlessness and anarchy and the rule of might is right, a sure way of heading into a new dark age.
If the terrorist threat teaches us anything it is that the powerful can no longer expect to dump on the weak and get away with it. This goes beyond Al Qaeda, this is a world where people are going to have to know what is going on and understand that everything they do has consequences and it's not about blackmail it's about fairness and less exploitation. Either we start getting it right or we're doomed.
Look we are still on the hunt for Osama and have captured many of his top leaders. Saddam was not a diversion.
The reason for the IRAQ War was the UN not Terrorism. Although Saddams regime was classified as part of the Axis of Evil.
If you look at things though a tunnel then Bush is wrong, however if you look at the whole big pictures then Bush is correct. And that's the big problem. You have such a narrow view of the situation that you can't see the big picture. I can't draw the big picture for you. Looking at one piece of the puzzle you will never understand.
If we look at the big picture it's no different than big pictures from history and is about, power and influence and who's going to have it.
World democracy, peace and security are NEVER going to happen while the majority of the world live in poverty and all the political instability that that brings, while the minority expect by right to grab more and more.
Whatever Bush said he was doing in Iraq, him and his croud have messed the place up so spectacularly that only fools think they are the right people to put it back together.
Incidentally I've just been reading that Iraq's debt will be cancelled but Iraq must accept IMF and World Bank programs, which entails flogging off all assetts to whoever wants them. Such policies have been disastrous in Africa and South America and have only led to big corporate profitteering and poverty and insecurity for the majority for the people.
Your wrong! Bush didn't mess up Iraq the insurgents messed up Iraq. We had already started rebuilding the infrustructure, schools, water, sewer, hospitals and such. Now we have to fight these insurgents who don't want us to succeed. They aren't hurting the U.S., they are hurting the Iraqi's and the whole middle east. I'm sitting her behind my desk with typing on a nice computer in a nice home with 2 nice cars. My child gets on the bus and goes to school every day. I eat 3 squares a day if I choose and go to football, baseball and NASCAR events if I want. I'm sure not hurt by these people, ARE YOU????
Ron Ackerman said this in post #10 : Your wrong! Bush didn't mess up Iraq the insurgents messed up Iraq. We had already started rebuilding the infrustructure, schools, water, sewer, hospitals and such. Now we have to fight these insurgents who don't want us to succeed. They aren't hurting the U.S., they are hurting the Iraqi's and the whole middle east. I'm sitting her behind my desk with typing on a nice computer in a nice home with 2 nice cars. My child gets on the bus and goes to school every day. I eat 3 squares a day if I choose and go to football, baseball and NASCAR events if I want. I'm sure not hurt by these people, ARE YOU????
Afghanistan: It is the leading producer of heroin in the world. How's that bringing stability and peace and security to that country? Crime and warlordism are thriving, the very things that brought the Taliban to power in the first place. Does the world have the will to help Afghanistan up off the floor? Just take a look around at the world. Take a look a history.
Iraq: If the US pull out of Iraq with their tails between their legs, leaving the country in as bad or worse state than when Hussein ran the place, I think you'll find this does enormous damage to US credibility - to add to the credibility problem of WMD/links to terrorism you've already seen. This is a possible path that Bush has taken America down.
Iraq has not diminished the terrorist threat one bit. There have been countless attacks around the world in the last couple of years.
Saying none of this effects you is just sticking your head in the sand. Purely on a financially level someone is paying billions of dollars every month to sustain this war.
Ron has it right, the Iraqis aren't hurting Americans they are hurting themselves. 90% of them know this. Haven't you noticed? America is behind our President.
BTW- America makes it's own paths. Bush is only the President.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
USA1 said this in post #12 : Ron has it right, the Iraqis aren't hurting Americans they are hurting themselves. 90% of them know this. Haven't you noticed? America is behind our President.
BTW- America makes it's own paths. Bush is only the President.
Check the news. More Americans died in Iraq in November, fighting Bush's war, than any month since it began.
I'm terrified to see what's going to happen when the Iraqis start "hurting" Americans.
As for the 90%, that's what's been addressed in this forum so many times. Ignorance is bliss. Follow the leader. Believe everything he tells you. Read the Bible.
USA1 said this in post #12 : Ron has it right, the Iraqis aren't hurting Americans they are hurting themselves. 90% of them know this. Haven't you noticed? America is behind our President.
BTW- America makes it's own paths. Bush is only the President.
I think the families of over a thousand American troops would disagree.
The American public can only follow their own path if they are told the truth by those in power. If leaders exaggerate, mislead, sex-up and lie about what's going on then the public is being manipulated to follow a path that's been twisting to suit those leaders not the people.
The danger of Bush and his aids is that they have proved they will say whatever it takes to push their agenda. Shockingly this has been accepted by the American public so there is no reason to believe they will not continue to do the same.
It's funny how you guys keep accusing the US of throwing 3rd world countries into poverty without actually being to any of those countries and having a clue about what's actually going on in there.
"Read Bible".... It's better to read Bible than check moveon.org every day to stay updated on leftist rhetoric.
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