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Our distinguished president... post #1  quote:



Ah, just makes me feel so glad he's in charge.





And no, it's not a fake. See the video at http://www.bush-flipflop.com/bush_bird.html

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Indeed this has been discussed a small bit here. Apparently it's old footage from around 2002 or so as I recall.. but poignant nonetheless

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just a microcosm of the phoney hypocrite we have for a commander in chief.

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Yeah, it was then Gov. Bush. But still... reminds me of when he was first elected and got caught talking crap about a reporter to Cheney.

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aw come on... of all the things there are to hate about Bush.. that's something I like about him

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if I had a dime for every camera I've flicked off.... I'd have like 16 bucks...

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"Look at this booger I just pulled out."

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You guys have the best president LMAO

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Can someone tell me honestly what is so wrong with this?

I mean..lets face it..we all "let loose" once in awhile...is it so wrong for someone in high office to just have fun like that without making it more than it is?

I think the oddest thing of all is that if this was John Kerry who had done it...some of you would love this!

Why do we think that a person in this position can never just be carefree for a moment with someone scrutinizing it to something more?

Is it because people think he shouldnt do this because of his religion??...If thats the case, then I hate to tell you of how many "religious" people I know that have flipped the bird...

So..seriously, tell me why this is such a big deal?


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Can someone tell me honestly what is so wrong with this?


I already explained it. You shot it down with all your might.


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Can someone tell me honestly what is so wrong with this?

I mean..lets face it..we all "let loose" once in awhile...is it so wrong for someone in high office to just have fun like that without making it more than it is?

I think the oddest thing of all is that if this was John Kerry who had done it...some of you would love this!

Why do we think that a person in this position can never just be carefree for a moment with someone scrutinizing it to something more?

Is it because people think he shouldnt do this because of his religion??...If thats the case, then I hate to tell you of how many "religious" people I know that have flipped the bird...

So..seriously, tell me why this is such a big deal?


I normally don't get into discussions like these, but I thought I would respond to Mystic's point.

Mystic, this was wrong because he is public figure. And public figures are always under scrutiny. Once you become a celebrity, a politician or begin to lead any kind of public life, you lose many of the priviledges that a private everyday Joe enjoys, like flipping the bird for example. The definition of a private life changes a bit for you. Your every move is watched closely because you represent the people who have given you their vote, and you have a responsibility to act in a mature and decent manner on their behalf. The spotlight is on you because you chose for it to be there, and whether you like it or not, the spotlight is going to be always on, bright and harsh, and reveal a lot more than you want if you are not careful.

When you are willingly a public figure, you are a role-model as well as a leader for many, and leaders lead by example. If this is the example Bush would like to set for his supporters, I feel sorry for them.

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I already explained it. You shot it down with all your might.


I dont mean to laugh...but I remember that now that you mention it.

See what I mean about the posts that eventually repeat?

Oh well, I still dont see it as a big deal...its not like it was supposed to be anything but a personal and humerous gesture at that moment, and Im certain he wasnt expecting anyone to play it all over the internet....

I still dont see the harm in just letting loose for a minute...certainly everyone deserves that once in a while without being scrutinized for it...IMO.


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I normally don't get into discussions like these, but I thought I would respond to Mystic's point.

Mystic, this was wrong because he is public figure. And public figures are always under scrutiny. Once you become a celebrity, a politician or begin to lead any kind of public life, you lose many of the priviledges that a private everyday Joe enjoys, like flipping the bird for example. The definition of a private life changes a bit for you. Your every move is watched closely because you represent the people who have given you their vote, and you have a responsibility to act in a mature and decent manner on their behalf. The spotlight is on you because you chose for it to be there, and whether you like it or not, the spotlight is going to be always on, bright and harsh, and reveal a lot more than you want if you are not careful.

When you are willingly a public figure, you are a role-model as well as a leader for many, and leaders lead by example. If this is the example Bush would like to set for his supporters, I feel sorry for them.

M.


Hi Adi!!!

I totally understand what you are saying...but even public figures once in a awhile should be able to let loose without people making more than it is...whats really wrong with that? Are we so moral that we wouldnt expect someone in that position to ever just have fun even for one minute?

I mean..we arent really in a position to hold someone up to those standards?

Why cant we just allow that he is human also, and that he too just wants to flip the bird once in a while....

Anyhow...thats just my thought on it.

This next comment isnt so much directed to you...this is more in general...

I cant tell you how many times people defended Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky thing....now, if thats really not such a bad thing...is this really such a bad thing?

Just a thought.


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Hi Adi!!!

I totally understand what you are saying...but even public figures once in a awhile should be able to let loose without people making more than it is...whats really wrong with that? Are we so moral that we wouldnt expect someone in that position to ever just have fun even for one minute?

I mean..we arent really in a position to hold someone up to those standards?

Why cant we just allow that he is human also, and that he too just wants to flip the bird once in a while....

Anyhow...thats just my thought on it.

This next comment isnt so much directed to you...this is more in general...

I cant tell you how many times people defended Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky thing....now, if thats really not such a bad thing...is this really such a bad thing?

Just a thought.


I understand what you are saying also, but I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. He can flip the bird all he wants in private (i.e. not somewhere there is a camera or people watching him), I wouldn't care, because I wouldn't know about it. But doing it in front of camera knowing fully well that millions of people would watch him do it seems juvenile.

As for Clinton, I think that people who try to defend him are being unreasonable. What he did was completely wrong. He misused his authority for unacceptable things. While people argue that it was a private matter (receiving oral sex and cheating on his wife that is), but the misuse of authority in itself is a grave offense. However, I will not compare that with this juvenile act of Bush here, because they are completely different. Bush didn't misuse his authority (while flipping the bird -- I believe he is misusing authority in other ways with serious consequences -- but I will not get into that) but did act in an improper way. Clinton on the other hand misused his power.

M.


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..its not like it was supposed to be anything but a personal and humerous gesture at that moment..


When I first saw it, I thought the footage was more recent and that his "one finger victory salute" was a gesture towards Kerry, towards Democrats ... or towards Iraq. In that context, to me, it was WAY inacceptable. In the context of something pertaining solely to his Governorship, it's less significant to me because his target was a less significant one.


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When I first saw it, I thought the footage was more recent and that his "one finger victory salute" was a gesture towards Kerry, towards Democrats ... or towards Iraq. In that context, to me, it was WAY inacceptable. In the context of something pertaining solely to his Governorship, it's less significant to me because his target was a less significant one.


Im amazed that it didnt come out until now to make it seem as if it were directed to Kerry...thats how things get out out of control. So many people just assumed it was done recently.

In reference to why he did it...since we know it wasnt really directed to anyone in particular...doesnt it just make it seem as if it isnt a big deal. I mean, sure, I could see if he did it to make a point to a specific person that people would think it wrong...but knowing it wasnt..is it really such a bad thing?

I just dont see it as such.

How many people in here still think this gesture was done just recently? Makes me wonder.


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How many people in here still think this gesture was done just recently? Makes me wonder.


Probably the same number of people who think Saddam had something to do with 9/11


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Probably the same number of people who think Saddam had something to do with 9/11


Ouch....though I think its more realistic to say that he was harboring Al Queda members more so than his direct involvement.

Clever Comeback nonetheless!


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I wouldn't care, except he would be first to criticize others that do the same (inappropriate) thing. Cheney, (go f yourself) too.

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I wouldn't care, except he would be first to criticize others that do the same (inappropriate) thing. Cheney, (go f yourself) too.


Well...I'd like to see you have an example to prove that statement true...but seeing that this is just your opinion only...okay.

But it seems for the most part that you yourself didnt take it as wrong because like you said..you "wouldnt care."


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Hi Adi!!!

I totally understand what you are saying...but even public figures once in a awhile should be able to let loose without people making more than it is...whats really wrong with that? Are we so moral that we wouldn't expect someone in that position to ever just have fun even for one minute?

I mean..we aren't really in a position to hold someone up to those standards?

Why cant we just allow that he is human also, and that he too just wants to flip the bird once in a while....

Anyhow...thats just my thought on it.

This next comment isn't so much directed to you...this is more in general...

I cant tell you how many times people defended Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky thing....now, if thats really not such a bad thing...is this really such a bad thing?

It infuriates me that people fawn all over Clinton when his behavior was reprehensible Why pick on a silly stupid inane thing to bring up something against our President. He is a human being and I really thought it was amusing.
You people need to find the comic threads and play/
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Just a thought.


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He's the freakin' president, and everytime I'm reminded he acts like a s*** kickin' hick it makes me want to puke.

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OH HECK,HECK!!!!

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post #24  quote:

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He's the freakin' president, and everytime I'm reminded he acts like a s*** kickin' hick it makes me want to puke.

-HECK!



Now you have four more years of puking re: Bush..


And much more time to puke when you oversaturate yourself with Beer.... It's those strong "Chasers" that do it.....


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I cant tell you how many times people defended Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky thing....now, if thats really not such a bad thing...is this really such a bad thing?

It infuriates me that people fawn all over Clinton when his behavior was reprehensible Why pick on a silly stupid inane thing to bring up something against our President. He is a human being and I really thought it was amusing.
You people need to find the comic threads and play/
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Clinton's extra-marital affairs affect nobody but himself. Perhaps if more restraint were practiced by the crew who filmed the Bush Bird footage, that too would have affected nobody. As it stands I only look at it as an example that Bush is not the gentle-hearted, Christ-like fellow that a lot of people want to believe he is. No politician is. It's purely delusional to think that's the case!

At first I was apalled that this could actually have been directed at political opposition in the 2004 Presidency race, or perhaps a "one finger victory salute" towards Iraqis. If that were the case, I would think it significant that Bush's message is "f--- you" to those people because he doesn't give a damn about them.

But having been shown that is not the case, I merely point to it as character evidence about the man. In fact, I agree with someone else's comment that it's admirable that he can be relaxed and be a fallible human being. What I don't like are pretenses that he is anything else, that is is perfect, doesn't make mistakes, never sins and has only a shiney, happy spirit to share with the world like Buddha.

I think what I am looking for, along with everyone else who generally opposes Bush's policies, is an acknowledgement from Bush supporters (and from Bush himself, for that matter!) on whole that they do indeed recognize that the President is not perfect, that he makes mistakes like the rest of us, that mistakes have been made during his Presidency, but that they still believe in the overall goals and will strive to right wrongs and pursue the greater good.

That's all I'm looking for.


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Clinton's extra-marital affairs affect nobody but himself. Perhaps if more restraint were practiced by the crew who filmed the Bush Bird footage, that too would have affected nobody. As it stands I only look at it as an example that Bush is not the gentle-hearted, Christ-like fellow that a lot of people want to believe he is. No politician is. It's purely delusional to think that's the case!

Well..as much as I hate to disagree with you... ..

Seriously..okay...you say Bush and his Christ like fellow image..but if I remember correctly, didnt Bill spout much of his campaign on "family values?" Yes..he did. And it didnt just affect him...it affected his wife, and daughter, his family and Monica and Monica's family, and friends of both sides...and just as you say Bush let his image down..I think people could say the same about Bill...

Though I have to say flipping the camera the bird is alot less harmless to people than Bill's affair...(and when I say people, I mean people close to the president..as in family, and friends)


At first I was apalled that this could actually have been directed at political opposition in the 2004 Presidency race, or perhaps a "one finger victory salute" towards Iraqis. If that were the case, I would think it significant that Bush's message is "f--- you" to those people because he doesn't give a damn about them.

But having been shown that is not the case, I merely point to it as character evidence about the man. In fact, I agree with someone else's comment that it's admirable that he can be relaxed and be a fallible human being. What I don't like are pretenses that he is anything else, that is is perfect, doesn't make mistakes, never sins and has only a shiney, happy spirit to share with the world like Buddha.

Where did people ever come up with the thought that he was "perfect?" Being realistic....that doesnt describe anyone.

I think what I am looking for, along with everyone else who generally opposes Bush's policies, is an acknowledgement from Bush supporters (and from Bush himself, for that matter!) on whole that they do indeed recognize that the President is not perfect, that he makes mistakes like the rest of us, that mistakes have been made during his Presidency, but that they still believe in the overall goals and will strive to right wrongs and pursue the greater good.

That's all I'm looking for.

Then you got that from me....I dont think anyone is perfect...how can they be?? To say another person is perfect would be unrealistic.

I dont agree with everything Bush does...But I do agree with him more than I ever agreed with Kerry.




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Wow Heck, you've really uncovered something here. You mean our president jacked around with the camera when he was Governor of Texas? You mean he's "one of the guys" who likes to screw around once in a while?

The horror, the tragedy! How did we elect this man?

What's freaking amazing this that this lame website contrasts a serious speech from Bush about things he clearly holds dear, with a 2 second video of him screwing around waiting to go live.


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Oh USA ROFL People are taking the little goofing around to make it a major
criticism of the man as a person. This is Asinine and absurd.

Mystic is correct in her explanation to Sean comparing Clinton to Bush.

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What will they find to show a negative slant on our President next?

This is just plain silly.


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Hey, flipping the bird is fine. I do it ten times a day. Not a big deal... but then again, I'm not a politician. These people should be in a higher regard while they're in the public eye. Behind closed doors, I say go wild. The simple fact is that perception is reality. He wasn't at Hooters with Jeb being "one of the guys". I'm sure he was being one of the guys in '76 when he jumped behind the wheel, however.

And those who bring up Clinton's winky getting special time are trying to make this a partisan issue. Clinton is another thread. I was just showing a candid picture of your president. This picture illustrates the measure of a man.

I just wonder if the Connecticut cowboy didn't have his campaign shoot a volley of fear-mongering terrorist threats from his 'intelligence' advisors, illustrated with a pretty array of colors no less, how many people would see the real Dubya and actually vote for the candidate. You have millions of blue hairs scared poopless that Anywhere U.S.A. could be the next Osama target. This is the same intelligence that muffed that 9/11 info. they had, which was subsequently ignored by the Bush administration outright. Then Dub?s wants us to believe his opponent couldn?t protect us from terrorist attacks. Oh, wait, Bush did a great job in that department. We have a freakin' regime that creates fear and then tells us they're the only one's that can protect us. I'm just glad the baby boomers are on their way out.

I don't know if Kerry was the perfect answer, but we had a real chance to make a change for the better.

-HECK!


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