aw come on... of all the things there are to hate about Bush.. that's something I like about him
for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
if I had a dime for every camera I've flicked off.... I'd have like 16 bucks...
for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
Can someone tell me honestly what is so wrong with this?
I mean..lets face it..we all "let loose" once in awhile...is it so wrong for someone in high office to just have fun like that without making it more than it is?
I think the oddest thing of all is that if this was John Kerry who had done it...some of you would love this!
Why do we think that a person in this position can never just be carefree for a moment with someone scrutinizing it to something more?
Is it because people think he shouldnt do this because of his religion??...If thats the case, then I hate to tell you of how many "religious" people I know that have flipped the bird...
So..seriously, tell me why this is such a big deal?
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
mystic said this in post #9 : Can someone tell me honestly what is so wrong with this?
I mean..lets face it..we all "let loose" once in awhile...is it so wrong for someone in high office to just have fun like that without making it more than it is?
I think the oddest thing of all is that if this was John Kerry who had done it...some of you would love this!
Why do we think that a person in this position can never just be carefree for a moment with someone scrutinizing it to something more?
Is it because people think he shouldnt do this because of his religion??...If thats the case, then I hate to tell you of how many "religious" people I know that have flipped the bird...
So..seriously, tell me why this is such a big deal?
I normally don't get into discussions like these, but I thought I would respond to Mystic's point.
Mystic, this was wrong because he is public figure. And public figures are always under scrutiny. Once you become a celebrity, a politician or begin to lead any kind of public life, you lose many of the priviledges that a private everyday Joe enjoys, like flipping the bird for example. The definition of a private life changes a bit for you. Your every move is watched closely because you represent the people who have given you their vote, and you have a responsibility to act in a mature and decent manner on their behalf. The spotlight is on you because you chose for it to be there, and whether you like it or not, the spotlight is going to be always on, bright and harsh, and reveal a lot more than you want if you are not careful.
When you are willingly a public figure, you are a role-model as well as a leader for many, and leaders lead by example. If this is the example Bush would like to set for his supporters, I feel sorry for them.
M.
"Every positive integer is one of Ramanujan's personal friends."—J. E. Littlewood.
I dont mean to laugh...but I remember that now that you mention it.
See what I mean about the posts that eventually repeat?
Oh well, I still dont see it as a big deal...its not like it was supposed to be anything but a personal and humerous gesture at that moment, and Im certain he wasnt expecting anyone to play it all over the internet....
I still dont see the harm in just letting loose for a minute...certainly everyone deserves that once in a while without being scrutinized for it...IMO.
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
I normally don't get into discussions like these, but I thought I would respond to Mystic's point.
Mystic, this was wrong because he is public figure. And public figures are always under scrutiny. Once you become a celebrity, a politician or begin to lead any kind of public life, you lose many of the priviledges that a private everyday Joe enjoys, like flipping the bird for example. The definition of a private life changes a bit for you. Your every move is watched closely because you represent the people who have given you their vote, and you have a responsibility to act in a mature and decent manner on their behalf. The spotlight is on you because you chose for it to be there, and whether you like it or not, the spotlight is going to be always on, bright and harsh, and reveal a lot more than you want if you are not careful.
When you are willingly a public figure, you are a role-model as well as a leader for many, and leaders lead by example. If this is the example Bush would like to set for his supporters, I feel sorry for them.
M.
Hi Adi!!!
I totally understand what you are saying...but even public figures once in a awhile should be able to let loose without people making more than it is...whats really wrong with that? Are we so moral that we wouldnt expect someone in that position to ever just have fun even for one minute?
I mean..we arent really in a position to hold someone up to those standards?
Why cant we just allow that he is human also, and that he too just wants to flip the bird once in a while....
Anyhow...thats just my thought on it.
This next comment isnt so much directed to you...this is more in general...
I cant tell you how many times people defended Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky thing....now, if thats really not such a bad thing...is this really such a bad thing?
Just a thought.
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
I totally understand what you are saying...but even public figures once in a awhile should be able to let loose without people making more than it is...whats really wrong with that? Are we so moral that we wouldnt expect someone in that position to ever just have fun even for one minute?
I mean..we arent really in a position to hold someone up to those standards?
Why cant we just allow that he is human also, and that he too just wants to flip the bird once in a while....
Anyhow...thats just my thought on it.
This next comment isnt so much directed to you...this is more in general...
I cant tell you how many times people defended Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky thing....now, if thats really not such a bad thing...is this really such a bad thing?
Just a thought.
I understand what you are saying also, but I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. He can flip the bird all he wants in private (i.e. not somewhere there is a camera or people watching him), I wouldn't care, because I wouldn't know about it. But doing it in front of camera knowing fully well that millions of people would watch him do it seems juvenile.
As for Clinton, I think that people who try to defend him are being unreasonable. What he did was completely wrong. He misused his authority for unacceptable things. While people argue that it was a private matter (receiving oral sex and cheating on his wife that is), but the misuse of authority in itself is a grave offense. However, I will not compare that with this juvenile act of Bush here, because they are completely different. Bush didn't misuse his authority (while flipping the bird -- I believe he is misusing authority in other ways with serious consequences -- but I will not get into that) but did act in an improper way. Clinton on the other hand misused his power.
M.
"Every positive integer is one of Ramanujan's personal friends."—J. E. Littlewood.
mystic said this in post #12 : ..its not like it was supposed to be anything but a personal and humerous gesture at that moment..
When I first saw it, I thought the footage was more recent and that his "one finger victory salute" was a gesture towards Kerry, towards Democrats ... or towards Iraq. In that context, to me, it was WAY inacceptable. In the context of something pertaining solely to his Governorship, it's less significant to me because his target was a less significant one.
11-13-2004 02:59 AM
I dont mean to laugh...but I remember that now that you mention it.
