flapbreaker said this in post #10 : It just goes to show that they have a difficult time rationalizing abortion.
Please spare me the ignorance. Pro-life people that support the death penalty, and support wars, at the same time not coming out against in vitro fertilization, are no better than the Democratic "baby killers." You're on no moral high ground.
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Inner City Blue said this in post #11 :
Please spare me the ignorance. Pro-life people that support the death penalty, and support wars, at the same time not coming out against in vitro fertilization, are no better than the Democratic "baby killers." You're on no moral high ground.
So now unborn children are on the same level as death row criminals? That's rich. And I don't think people should do invitro fertilizations. If you can't have a baby then deal with it.
flapbreaker said this in post #12 : So now unborn children are on the same level as death row criminals? That's rich. And I don't think people should do invitro fertilizations. If you can't have a baby then deal with it.
If a person is innocent and they are on death row, it is a horrible miscarriage of justice, but oh well for them, I guess it's kill them for the greater good of the system. Iraqi civilian, hey deal with the war it's for your own good. Hey embryo that may or may not yield a baby, you are more important than any other life in the world, well that's until you're born...
After you're born, don't come crying to me, pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Money for social services? Pfft...there are no handouts from me. I'm not going to put money in a foster care system, it's good enough with only about a quarter of you going up for adoption and only half being taken, that's good enough.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
- Bill Cosby
The guy who takes a chance, who walks the line between the known and unknown, who is unafraid of failure, will succeed.
- Gordon Parks
Inner City Blue said this in post #13 :
If a person is innocent and they are on death row, it is a horrible miscarriage of justice, but oh well for them, I guess it's kill them for the greater good of the system. Iraqi civilian, hey deal with the war it's for your own good. Hey embryo that may or may not yield a baby, you are more important than any other life in the world, well that's until you're born...
After you're born, don't come crying to me, pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Money for social services? Pfft...there are no handouts from me. I'm not going to put money in a foster care system, it's good enough with only about a quarter of you going up for adoption and only half being taken, that's good enough.
Lame argument. Sounds like you think abortion should be used as birth control. Sick.
For the record, I think abortion should be restricted to first trimester only, but that it should perhaps be a fairly expensive procedure so as to reduce dependence upon it as an acceptable means of birth control. Thre are more effective means of prevention that are not so gruesome.
flapbreaker said this in post #4 : And I don't think people should do invitro fertilizations. If you can't have a baby then deal with it.
Thats a pretty harsh statement. You dont want to kill fetuses but you also are against someone WANTING to give life?
I dont understand why a person would have an issue with invitro.
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Sean Kelly said this in post #7 : For the record, I think abortion should be restricted to first trimester only, but that it should perhaps be a fairly expensive procedure so as to reduce dependence upon it as an acceptable means of birth control. There are more effective means of prevention that are not so gruesome.
I think it should be restricted to the frist three months also....
I question the expensiveness you mention though....it could cause some issues, but thats its not a totally bad idea...I think its something that would be a good discussion point...I just dont know if this is the place to do it. (forum-wise)
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
Thats a pretty harsh statement. You dont want to kill fetuses but you also are against someone WANTING to give life?
I dont understand why a person would have an issue with invitro.
Mystic your right that was harsh. Perhaps I should have rephrased it. The issue with in vitro is an ethical/moral one. Multiple eggs are fertilized for the process so I suppose the ethical part depends on when you think life starts. Anyway it's just my opinion. I think that if a couple cannot concieve the natural way then there's a reason for it.
flapbreaker said this in post #6 : Lame argument. Sounds like you think abortion should be used as birth control. Sick.
Yes, just call it a lame argument and don't explore because you really don't have a response.
Oh an the only reason you see people against in vitro fertilization now is because they now know you have to dispose leftover embryos that aren't used. That's why they want to use it for stem cell research, if they're destined for the trash, they might as well be used.
I never said abortion should be used as birth control, I'm just revealing the problem with your moral absolutes.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
- Bill Cosby
The guy who takes a chance, who walks the line between the known and unknown, who is unafraid of failure, will succeed.
- Gordon Parks
i doubt that there's any one of us here, liberal OR conservative, that favors abortion as a "means of birth control." That's ridiculous. I'm totally opposed to that - preplanned abortions. but once a pregnancy exists, if and ONLY if, there is a VERY good reason to terminate that pregnancy, i don't think the government or the courts should be dictating anything, providing it's done in the first trimester when it is highly questionable whether a human life exists. beyong that first trimester, i think that some other alternative should be applied, as difficult as that might make things for the mother and/or child.
1) if the mother's life is in danger from the pregnancy, obviously it's a clear-cut case of life or death so an abortion in that instance I wouldn't argue with.
2) if the pregnancy is from rape, it'd be great if the mother would go ahead and have the child anyway, but she didn't have a choice, so the decision should be hers.
99% of the time, however, abortion is used as birth control.
for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
Jim Nasium said this in post #12 : i don't think the government or the courts should be dictating anything, providing it's done in the first trimester when it is highly questionable whether a human life exists.
Agreed!
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Dekka00 said this in post #13 : 99% of the time, however, abortion is used as birth control.
Please quote the date and source of these statistics.
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
i pulled that out of my ass I have no idea what the actual number is
I'll see if I can find reasons abortions were performed online but I doubt I will be able to.
are you saying most abortions are not performed because the person doesn't feel like having a kid when they are pregnant from consensual sex?
for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
10-30-2004 08:21 PM
