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What do you all think is going on with this supposed "satanic" group? for one would like to know the answers.

I will post info tomorrow about freemasons as its late now do I am hitting the hay, but please leave your opinions now.


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The conspiracy linking the American one doller bill to freemasons

[QUOTE]There is much symbolism on the Great Seal and dollar bill, which have their Masonic and Satanic roots. It is important to keep an open mind on a subject like this. People will interporate this information differently and there will be many varied reactions, which makes my message so much harder to communicate because of the many different religious and political views people have. Before I begin with discussing the symbolism, I must note that you be careful when reading about this and make your own judgments. Whilst I do not necessarily expect people to believe all of what is written here, I encourage you to study much farther into this topic at hand rather than giving in to the information at the official Great Seal website (www.greatseal.com) which is clearly a disinformation website. Their silly little statements that the Great Seal is not Masonic leads to much questioning over whether Freemasonry is in fact a Christian religion, so therefore they have obviously made out that Masons are playing for the wrong team. If there is one thing that you should believe, it is that the Great Seal and the dollar bill contains much Freemasonic references and symbolism because, yes, the President at the time was a Mason, the people who designed the seal were most probably Masons (Or designed it at the request of the government or another highly ranked elite society.). This is all very true, and I encourage you to do some further research. You will find that nearly all American Presidents were Freemasons (Exclude Lincoln, who was a pure Christian and JFK who was heavily Catholic.) Whether Freemasonry is an uncorrupted, non-occult religion or not, that is a separate issue and will be discussed later on. (More information on Freemasons can be found in our Secret Societies and Organisations page.) One more thing before I discuss the symbolism, personally I feel that it is very occult and definitely has connections with Satanism. If you feel that Freemasonry isn?t like that (Perhaps you belong to a Masonic organization.) then hear me out- In 1776 a group called the Bavarian Illuminati was founded by a Catholic Jesuit named Adam Weishaupt. Since the founding of the Illuminati, they have entered and corrupted the Freemasonic lodges and since more and more secret societies have been constructed. Whether Freemasonry was ?clean? before hand, I don?t know, but the pro-Globalist Illuminati had some big hand in the direction of the Masons.

SYMBOLISM
Symbolism- trust me, there is lots of it. Some more extreme than other parts, but it?s all there. If you wish, have a dollar bill in your hands at the time you read this, it will make my explanations a lot easier. If not, graphics have been provided. Firstly, take a look at the Great Seal. It is the logo of a pyramid with an eye positioned at the top. Most Masonic references are on this seal.



The Eye of Horus comes from one the many religions which came from Babylon because of Nimrod (aka, Baal, Osiris- represented by a pagan owl.) and the Whore of Babylon (aka Isis, the whore, even Lady Liberty!) Osiris and Isis appear in many, many different religions, you can read about them elsewhere on this site. The Pyramid- Another direct reference to the Golden Age of sun-worship in Egypt. An obvious one. You soon begin to ask yourself,?Why the heck would AMERICANS put a ****ed PYRAMID on one of their seals??? Now that you?re reading about the Masons, it?s suddenly becoming clear why, isn?t it? MASON- If you look carefully, the word MASON can be made out with the Great Seal pyramid. Look at the graphic and see how the letters are joined together-



M of Seclorum, followed by A of Annuit, then S of Coeptis, O of Ordo and finally N of novus. When done it that paricular order, the shape of a star is made out. This same star is seen on the other side of the seal, above the bald eagle. 13 Levels- Apparently there is something about how many levels there are on this pyramid. Fritz Springmier who writes about the Satanic Bloodlines says that the 13 levels on the pyramid represent the 13 different elite families who control, or have controlled America. Roman Numerals At the base of the pyramid you will see some Roman Numerals. They are as follows- MDCCLXXVI. If you translate this into our present day numbers, you will find the number is 1776. Now here is where it gets a little scary. The year 1776 was the year the Illuminati was founded. Not just a coincidence. Latin Phrases- Below the pyramid is a scroll with the following Latin phrase printed on it- ?Novus Ordo Seclorum?. There are mixed views over what the true English translation really is. Conspiracy theorists on one hand say it means ?New World Order?. The American government?s official statement is that it means ?New Order of the Ages? or just plain old ?New Order.? Whatever it really means, the message is clear- New World Order is on the agenda. Why else would it be there? Annuit Coeptis- Annuit Coeptis appears over the pyramid and the Eye of Horus. I am not entirely sure as to what it means. I don?t even know what language it is. The only answer I have heard is that it translates to ?He Favours Our Understanding.? Also, there are 13 letters which make up ?Annuit Coeptis?.


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i have tried to edit but the administrator wont let me... I have to leave my post like as it is above for now... I'm scared, it looks kinda illegal... I hope its not

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Re: The infamous conspiracy of the American doller bill post #4  quote:

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Roman Numerals At the base of the pyramid you will see some Roman Numerals. They are as follows- MDCCLXXVI. If you translate this into our present day numbers, you will find the number is 1776. Now here is where it gets a little scary. The year 1776 was the year the Illuminati was founded. Not just a coincidence.


Over the years, I have heard & understand the relationships presented here regarding the Masons, however the connection to the Illuminati, and thereby the "Satanism" is questionable. Regardless of the founding date of the Illuminati, the year 1776 has historical significance for the U.S.A. - any guesses is to what that significance is?

I reject the Satanism connections that this author tries to establish, but the Masonic Order connections are well known..

Also, the author denounces the content of greatseal.com as an information resource and then professes to not know the meaning of "Annuit Coeptis" - pretty goofy to spell out their ignorance rather than do a bit more research. greatseal.com explains it like this:

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In the zenith of an unfinished pyramid on the reverse side of the Great Seal is "an Eye in a triangle, surrounded with a glory... Over the Eye these words 'Annuit Coeptis'."

The Latin phrase annuit coeptis has been traced to Virgil, the renowned Roman poet who lived in the first century B.C. His epic masterpiece, the Aeneid, contains the phrase: Jupiter omnipotens, audacibus annue coeptis. (All-powerful Jupiter, favor [my] daring undertakings.)

Also, in Virgil's Georgics are the words: Da facilem cursum, atque audacibus annue coeptis. (Give [me] an easy course, and favor [my] daring undertakings.)

Charles Thomson changed the first person imperative annue to the third person annuit. In the motto Annuit Coeptis, the subject of the verb must be supplied, and the translator must also choose the tense. Thomson explained:

"The pyramid signifies Strength and Duration: the Eye over it & the Motto allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour of the American cause."

The Eye is therefore the missing subject.
According to the U.S. State Department, the translation is:

"It [the eye of providence] has favored our undertakings"

Variations include:
Providence is favorable to our undertakings.
God has favored our undertakings.
He favors our undertakings.

Source: GreatSeal.com


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so the two presidents who weren't freemasons were assassinated? hmmm... interesting.

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it seems that alot of the world's leaders are linked.. for example, George W.Bush is the 14th Cousin of the Queen of England.. It's a distant connection but It's there

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I was in the junior form of the Masons as a teenager and I can assure you that it is not a religion and it is not a satanic cult. Masons believe in God and Christianity and as a Mason they aspire to good things and to help others. It is true that most of our founding fathers were Masons and it is most likely true that the designer of the dollar bill was a Mason. And it is most likely that some of the symbols come from Masonry.

The star that someone drew to connect the letters is more than likely a coincidence. And I may be mistaken but I think that satanic cults associate more with the 6 point star not the 5 point star.


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Originally posted by Ron Ackerman
I was in the junior form of the Masons as a teenager and I can assure you that it is not a religion and it is not a satanic cult. Masons believe in God and Christianity and as a Mason they aspire to good things and to help others.
that's like a secretary at the White House saying they know what goes on during closed door meetings.

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The star that someone drew to connect the letters is more than likely a coincidence. And I may be mistaken but I think that satanic cults associate more with the 6 point star not the 5 point star.
it's the inverted 5 point star.


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The inversion of the 5-point star is key to the association with satanic cults. Flip the star of God on it's head, causing chaos and corruption of the true and the good.

I like the article. I read something like it before, but i can't remember where it was. No need to worry, Lenas. I don't think anything that you posted is illegal or bad in any legal way.


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I think that satanic cults associate more with the 6 point star not the 5 point star.


Err - no that's the Jews


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have read this or something like it over the years, but really! do people really study the dollar for what's on it or do they study what it can buy? i can't really remeber the last time i've looked at a bill of any denomination to see what's on it and ponder what that bill is saying. am i alone on this? does everyone study what's on a bill before they lay it out for payment? does anyone sit alone and study the bill? isn't it more fun to just dig it out and spend it?

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It's obviously something that people do, and enjoy to some extent. Otherwise, no one would've found it out. But you have to realize that there is something very enjoyable about being a member of an exclusive club or group, and having private and secret meetings, developing codes and adopting images that hold special meaning amongst the secret society. There is a feeling of being apart and joined to something very unique and special. That holds true whether the club has a positive mandate, or a sinister agenda.

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With the back of the dollar bill thing...that is SOME CORN POKE with too much time on their hands if you ask me...notice how it is out of order....CORN POKE!!!

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Err - no that's the Jews


Err - no that's both attualy, the hexagram is the most powerful satanic symbol.

the inverted pentagram or pentacle is alot weaker.


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I thought that the hexagram is the star of David. Isn't it the one on the Israeli national flag?

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Just about all symbols in the Church can be used for satinism by putting them upside down or backwards. Both stars have been used as well as crosses etc.

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I thought that the hexagram is the star of David. Isn't it the one on the Israeli national flag?


It's both, if you puta circle around it, it becomes the hexagram, which is a satanic symbol.

really satanism is a perversion of christianity, it is not surprising that they use alot of christian symbols which have been changed or perverted.


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Anyone of you is a Mason ? Where did you get all that mabo-jambo on Masons ????? Don`t know its true nature in the US, but what I`ve been reading is not even ridiculous. It`s hilarious !!!!!!

Where on earth did you get the image that masons are a satanic group ?!!!!
Has anyone of you ever had a serious conversation with a Mason ?........Mason = Satanic ?????!!!!!!!!!! Where did you get that from ?!!!! If you feel like bombarding one with questions...this is your opportunity.....

It`s hilarious !!!!! Do you think they walk about with goat-pans and sacrifice virgins, or drink blood or anything like it ???????? So funny !!!!!

Open to answer anything you need or want to know about the matter. European Free-Masonry is very different to the " Soci-elitistic business circles " established in the US who call themselves free-masons and act in a diametrically opposed behaviour.

If you ever felt to chat with an humbly acceptable high official..here`s you chance to do it. I will gadly and cheerfully clarify any points that trouble you. But please, some of the things I read further up ?????? Do some research before stating some of the most ridiculous and childishly amusing things I eve heard about the order. It`s not a secret order !!!!!!!!!! It`s an order of secrets !!!


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Aude.....

I fully agree with you on your post.

I have been a mason for years, and at no time has there ever been any discussion about the things aforementioned.

It is all very unfunny. No wonder there is so much dis-information

causing some of the naive, gullible public to believe such silliness.

There is too much nonsense being promoted throughout our society.


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I don`t believe this !!!!!!!!! Of all it had to be you ?!!!!!!!!!!
Nice lesson to both of us.......I sent you a message. On Delta`s thread.

If you want help clarify the story and essence to this people.

Incredible.....brain surgery did have some positive result then.....lol

I`m just waiting to be bombarded by comments and questions on this thread...Stay around it will get interesting !!!!

For all an distrassed Massons whereever they maybe....I offer you Becker the tiler`s toast !!!


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What do the Freemasons believe in? I had recently heard that there were submissions that the Freemasons might have originally been an attempt at a new religion, but it failed in that regard. Then caught on as more of an order. Is there any truth to that?

Also, what do you mean by Masonry isn't a secret order, but an order of secrets? Wasn't Masonry kept secret intentionally for quite sometime? Wasn't this at least the practice during the dark ages when those orders were being attacked, and members were being condemned to death as heretics, like many members of the Knights Templar?


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Hi there Sierra...Many questions in just one paragraph. I`ll try to help you as much as possible

What do the Freemasons believe in? That`s a tough one. There are many ways to answer that one. In what sort of divinity ? None really, there is something called the Great Arquitect fo the Universe, which is why depending on the country the initials appear in all internal newsletter from Grand Lodge ( normally the largest lodge in the country ) Example in France or Spain A.L.G.D.G.A.D.U. In the us or uk you should find t..t.g.o.t.g.a.o.t.u. To the glory of the great arquitect of the universe. But it`s a worshiped figure as you would imagine in any given religion. Masonry believes that something created the order of the wold. But as we move forward in time, such things like many others in the ritualistic meetings have become obsolete and out-dated. Bare in mind it`s approx. 500 years old.

Freemasons might have originally been an attempt at a new religion.
No not at all. The vatican is specially talented in this sort of propaganda. The attempt to a " religion ", which should be understood as " the vatican`s control of the old wold ", was declared for the first time by the pope Clemente V who, in conjuction with Felipe the handsome, king of spain, declared the templaries as herectics and ordered the aniquilation. If you want a thread on the templaries i`d be glad to help you with it. For time being, most people know what the templaries turned out to become. The first international commercial and financial, thus political, power. No need to remind the unlimited services offered to tyhe vatican. Clemente V ordered the first official genocide in the story of mankind. Most of them were murdered, however many managed to escape initially to Portugal. ( Columbus spent i think 1 year in convent where templaries are hidden. It is believed that that`s where he got the sea maps from and he knew exactly where he was heading. That explains the red crosses on the caravelles. The spannish crown didn`t use then. ) They then safely escaped to england ( taking advantage of the rivalry with the spannish crown ) Went up to scotland. That`s where the first traces of masonry appear. Then you have the entire chapter on the cathedal builders who formed the first unions of workers, and i guess a bit of mysticism in the cathedral design....It``s a long subject sierra. but thrilling. There is a map called the Pirri Rei map. Type it on google.....very interesting.

Is there any truth to that?
To answer your question. None what soever. In lodge it is forbidden to talk about religion or politics. Profane matters that contaminate the freedom of thought. Mix masonry with religion is an absolute non-sense by definition. Masonry seeks the bettering ( not sure of the word ) as individualhuman beings. Seek the light is just an alegory either for the inner improvement or the truth about jesus...." death " o trip to France. Another thread

Also, what do you mean by Masonry isn't a secret order, but an order of secrets?
Masonry has been pursued in many countries for many differente reasons. Spain : Franco`s brother was a high official and he is the one who blacked-balled his brother ( masonic legends quote ). He jailed them without trial. Masons have always been found primarily in between the intellectual and scientific layers of society. A general tendencies towards leftists ideologies but not necesarily. Only because of its stand on social and human matters. Anyone can visit any lodge of the world. You cannot attend meetings, but you are welcomed to visit any lodge. I don`t know any web-site in your country but i invite you to visit www.gle.org.
Secrets because of romanticism in the rituals. The usual password, hand shakes so widely spread....just childish things really. There a couple of fascinating lodges of masonic research where historical research is the main objective. There yes...a profane wouldn`t be able to access the books. Para-history is a spectacular theme. Bare in mind that most of the history we know was written, transcribed, deformed by the winners, powers in place at the time or copiers who too often altered original information. E.G : Spain portrayed itself as the savers of latin america, discovey and so on and so forth. They killed more people than the nazis in the second ww !!!!!!!!! We devastated glorious and socially more advanced civilizations....we can chat all winter on the matter...fascinating. Para-history is what really happened. Apply that contemporary events of the 20th century and you`ll perceive the dimension of manipulation. In Greece during the dictatorship of the coronels, masons were shot on a simple acusation without trial...we are talking 40 years ago only. For the same reason....threat of overthrow....Fidel holds the same strategy in Cuba..there are dozens of masonsin prisons as political prisoners...A mason by definiton is apolitic. He has no political colour or religion.

I compared very often, in its introspective self-actualization to buddhism.
Not all masons are good men, nore all good men are masons, but all great masons were and are spectacular humanists......very rare, but there are some real ones.

Answered above

I apologize fo anyspelling errors. english is not my language. Max i spent was 12 hs in Miami and 24 hrs in London !!!! Lol

You seem to have a genuine interest without preconceived ideas or prejudgements. I will help see the real side of the coin with objectivity and rationality as much as i can.

It`s not wonderland and it can and is extremely disappointing as you move forward into it. Disapointing to see how many so-called brethren get into it for personal benefits of any nature...they are the ones that give the order behind the red-cross and the boy-scouts such a bad reputation. Rats...human shape...but rats.

Hasta siempre Sierra


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Good post aude. Very well researched. We both know there is nothing mystic in Masonry. The initiation was one of the hardest things I had to study for. I thought I would never pass.

My lodge has only participated in charity work and social affairs. Baseball games, picnics, etc.

The only mystery I know of is that no member will ask you to join. You must ask a member to sponsor you. I remember a committee that came to my home and checked me out before even considering my membership.I only met good people in my Lodge. That's about it.


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That`s about it. Becker if you browse " columbus+templaries " on the net, you`ll find a lot of interesting info that might inspire you on a research paper. Easy to link the findings with 16th century masonry in europe and thus persecution from powers in place at the time.

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So how has Masonery changed throughout the years. Were the early Masons any different than today?

What you described Becker is what I remember from my years in DeMolay. I know my aunt was in Eastern Star and everyone I have known in the Masons were good chuch going folks. If I remember correctly, one becomes a LIFE memeber when they join and I should be able to go to a meeting anywhere as a member. Is that true?


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I'm certain there HAS to be specific acts that would lead to nullification of the membership?

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Hi there Ackerman,

That`s another long one. Masonry was initialy operative. That means that it had a practicle side. Cathedral builders gathered in lodges to form what you could call a " union ". Bare in mind that funds for their construction where given either by the Church ( extremly obscure in those days...kind of like now...just kidding ), the local land lord or the king of any given region. They gathered in fraternities to help eachother in times of working penuries. For example the word Lodge comes the little " site office " where arquitects and workers used to meet to study the plans and their best execution. As obscure times sweapt Europe, they used to meet at night to avoid being seen as intellectual, politcal and religious matters where often discussed in these meetings and considered heregy or conspiracy. Needless to say how easy you could be pointed at as a heretic and burned on a finger point. The hand-shake sign comes from those days. Since it was dark there was no way they could recognize eachother as they could never call themselves by their name in case there was an intruder. The only way to inmediately recognize eachother before even speaking was hand over their hand and perform a " secret " sign. That`s all. This sign varies depending on the ritual and sometimes the country.

The theme on cathedral building, numerology and mystic arquitecture is fascinating. It`s incredible to see after studying a few cathedral and abbeys in Europe that ABSOLUTELY nothing or measurement was coincidental. NOTHING

After the Cathedral period was over and Europe started moving into " more modern eras " Masonry had no reason for being, but for the altruist and benefic attitude needed to prevail. That`s when they went into speculative Masonry which is what it is today. The French Revolution was greatly boosted and, if you want , conspired by the intellectuals of the time to abolish the totalitarian regime..ANY TOTALITARIAN REGIME.....If that`s a conspiracy, the world is full of it. Lobbies throughout the world play a decis?ve role in geopolitics and mainly in the US where billions are invested in their services. IT IS NOT THE SAME..but nobody calls them satanic...Anyway the essence has nothing to do with it. You only get from it what you put into it. Like I said previosuly depending on your nature & interests, it will be an absolute borring obsolete out-date out-of-fashion thing, or an opportunity for introspective voyage.

No you don`t become a life-member. A lot of, what I call the "rats " can go through a Masonic Court and get " irradiated " ( Masonic term for expulsion ).
Anyone is free to leave whenever they want or change lodge or rite.

Yes it is true. As a member you can visit any lodge in the world. What can happen is that depending on your " grade " you will have or not have access to certain meetings. There are three basic ones to start with before you reach the Master Mason....the fun begins after that. As an apprentice you have to " cover " ( meaning leave ) the lodge if matters have to be discussed in another grade. But yes you can visit and lodge around the world.

Something pleasant is that you meet people from any nationality, social background, religion, colour, education......but in theory, all have a lot of common denominators.

There are millions of stories of Masons who initially were enemies at war and once they found out they had another Mason in front, saved their lives, escape or any of those nice things you wouldn`t expect to take place during war time. These Masons helped anybody in those periods , not just Masons because that would be an ellitistic concept TOTALLY CONTRARY to its philosophy.

The VERY GENERAL LINE.....VER ROUGH LINE, if we all do a little bit for our fellow humans around us, chances are that if there are a lot with the same line of thought, things should get better in time......VERY utopian and impossible to materialize.....actually you`ll agree with me that you don`t need to be a Mason for that...and you `ll be right.....there are many good people around....the idae is to know how to recognize them.....and learn or work from and with eachother....roughly Ackerman....roughly that`s the idea...


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Buenas Tardes Sierra,

Nullification of membership ? You mean...expultion ? OF COURSE AND THANK GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think you`ll find the answers to that in my respons to Ackerman.

It`s impossible to filter new members.....A lot of dubious people get through the various filters....Eventually you spot them....but what happens if they keep on introducing their " friends " and what was a healthy lodge becomes a dark business club ??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slowly, slowly they take over the lodge and the good elements tend to leave to other lodges. It`s not Masonry....That is the main cause for the bad, and explainable, reputation of Masonry. E.g : The worst example P2 ( Propaganda Due ) with Lippi in Italy. What a scandal !!!!! Was it Maonsry that was on Trial ? No, it`s just these criminals that used it for their own private interests.


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How are the Masons different from the Knights of Columbus? I know I became a Catholic after I was in DeMolay back in the 70's but I never looked into KofC.

Also isn't the Shriners part of the Masons and how are they connected?


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Knight of Columbus ?!!!! Never heard of it. In the Ancient and Accepted scotish rite there 33 degrees. Some of degree have a Knight denomination. Jerusalem, Templaries, Lebanon...etc. There just initiative levels that you up-grade based on your reseach studies primarily based on Para-History, Masonology, or Masonic sociology and philosophy....But never heard of that. Is it the name of an order in the States ? or the name of a Lodge ? Can you feed me in on that one ?

Shrinners ?!!! I don`t understand the word ? Can you clarify it for me ? I hope I can help you on that one. The good thing about this , is that learning new things
as well.
I read your quote on Demolay..I know what that name means to me....what is it for you ? A University ? Town ? the explanation I give it refers to Guy Demolay and Godefroy de Bouillon.


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