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Arnie signs sniper rifle ban

CALIFORNIA Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, despite his gun-toting Terminator image, signed a law banning powerful sniper rifles, just after a US federal ban on assault weapons expired.

The governor's signature to the law yesterday meant that California became the first US state to ban 50-calibre sniper rifles, which opponents say can shoot down aircraft and penetrate armour plating.

The film action star who recreated himself as a Republican politician yesterday signed into law the new ban that highlights his policy differences on weapons with the administration of President George W. Bush.

A US federal ban on the manufacture and sale of military-style assault weapons ended yesterday with proponents and foes of the measure locked in a bitter dispute over whether it should have been renewed.

Republican leaders fervently oppose the ban, signed by former US president Bill Clinton in 1994, and while President George W. Bush said he would support extending it, he did not press Republicans to do so.

By signing the first law outlawing 50-calibre sniper rifles, Schwarzenegger, a moderate Republican, has pitted himself against the party's conservative core on the sensitive issue of gun control.

Traditionally liberal California also passed the United States' first ban on assault weapons in 1989, which Mr Clinton made national five years later.

Supporters of restricting the right of Americans to possess certain high-powered weapons said Schwarzenegger's move would help defend the US from both gun violence and terrorist acts.

"California has once again confirmed its status as a bellwether state in preventing gun violence,"said Tom Diaz of the Washington-based Violence Policy Centre.

He said the move "not only protects the police and public, but stops the sale of a confirmed tool of terrorists. We look forward to other states, and eventually the US Congress, following its lead".

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Please explain to me why a civilian needs a sniper rifle anyway?

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I've said it over and over again: home protection...

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Against WHAT?

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Please post the desciption of what is considered a sniper rifle in Kolifonia.

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I thought sniper rifles were intended for snipe hunting.

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I think it is scary that a member of the public can buy a Sniper rifle, these wepaons are powerful, dangerous and can kill from a long distnce. You need a lot of training to be lern how to operate them safely and to make sure you hit the right target.

What possible need can anybody have for owning one of these?


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Does anyone know the criteria for a rifle being a sniper rifle? Is it the caliber, or what? I will look for it when our NRA magazine comes.

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From what I remember Snipes can fire bullets faster and further than your average rifle, it also has the sniper scope which makes it possible to get a kill shot from long range which makes it a favourite for most special forces and FBI agents, although you need specail training to use one.

There is probably a lot more to it than that but that is all I know.


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Modern Western standards require sniper rifles to be capable to put five shots within 1 inch (or less) diameter circle around the target at 100 yards (1 MOA accuracy).
Optical sights are used by default.
Most used ammunition: 0.308Win, 0.300Win Mag, 0.338 Lapua Mag.
Typical range for police operations: 300-400 meters, 800+ for military operations. .50BMG rifles extend the effective range up 1800 meters.
Civil use: hunting in grassland, mountains, don't know about BMG, maybe bears? Also sport.


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I gotta say I kinda wanna get my hands on some of these powerful weapons before they are all banned

it's like investing in stock that you KNOW is gonna go up


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wtf do you need a sniper rifle for in california?

The whole gun issue is retarded. The second amendment is friggin old and was made when there was no handgun capable of firing multiple rounds in a small time range. You had a friggin musket. Then there was the whole threat of invasion thing.

We've got an army now guys, nobody needs an M-16. Rifles are okay, because rifles are mostly used for hunting. Handguns are not. You don't need a handgun for anything, unless you intend to shoot someone.

Everybody says how it's their right to carry a gun. Sure it is, it's in the constitution to "bear arms". Running with that, let's see how you guys feel when I bring a rocket launcher to the local walmart to buy some bullets for my 9mm.

The founding fathers were smart because they knew that the constitution would have to change as time went by. You know, like the whole gay marriage ban. Apparently, during the presidential election, gay marriage (mostly the hate of it) was more of an issue to the public than foreign policy.

I just don't get it. I'm not for banning all guns and all that, but c'mon, be sensible.


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You don't need a handgun for anything, unless you intend to shoot someone.

Handguns are best for self-defence. Since most criminal assaults happen outside a handgun is the best weapon to carry around.
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let's see how you guys feel when I bring a rocket launcher to the local walmart to buy some bullets for my 9mm.

Have you ever touched a thing like that? What kind of? Anti-tank? Anti-aircraft? Both are pretty heavy. Imagine 30-40 people in the supermarket carrying pistols and opening fire at you?


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But there's that statistic or whatever that you're more than likely to shoot someone you live with than shoot an intruder and you're more likely to get killed with your own weapon than to kill someone else. Or something. It'sdefinately dangerous to even own a gun and have it in your home, let alone have everyone actually using them all the time.

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But there's that statistic or whatever that you're more than likely to shoot someone you live with than shoot an intruder and you're more likely to get killed with your own weapon than to kill someone else. Or something. It'sdefinately dangerous to even own a gun and have it in your home, let alone have everyone actually using them all the time.


Owning a weapon requires certain skills, certainly. Any adult can learn these skills. It's not harder than driving a car.
And why not taking into account street crimes together with burglary?


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What about when handguns get in the wrong hands? it took 20+ dead five year olds in a school for the UK to realise that handguns were a bad idea, is that what you want in the US?

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Go Arnie! Sorry if I start sounding a bit anti republican now, but at the moment I am. Guns are a bad idea. Lodgebo's right - they're just going to cause trouble for you.

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Handguns are best for self-defence. Since most criminal assaults happen outside a handgun is the best weapon to carry around.
Yeah sure, they're intended to be used for self defence. Usually they're in a box in a closet somewhere in the house, just in case somebody breaks in and you're put in one of those oh so common life and death situations where it's kill or be killed.
And as for the carrying around part:
Where I live, it's legal to carry around a concealed weapon. This makes it legal for any average joe to carry around a handgun for no apparent reason in the middle of friggin suburbia. It's just as easy to rob someone with a concealed weapon as it is to defend yourself.

Have you ever touched a thing like that? What kind of? Anti-tank? Anti-aircraft? Both are pretty heavy. Imagine 30-40 people in the supermarket carrying pistols and opening fire at you?
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What about when handguns get in the wrong hands? it took 20+ dead five year olds in a school for the UK to realise that handguns were a bad idea, is that what you want in the US?


20+ children at once? If everyone is armed&skilled shooter that'd be impossible.
Morever, one can do such a thing with an axe or knife. No powerful weapon is needed to slaughter 5 y.olds.
Why banning handguns because of the case?


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Usually they're in a box in a closet
They should be always with you. To let your weapon save your life once you should have it with you anytime of your life.

It's just as easy to rob someone with a concealed weapon as it is to defend yourself.[b]
How many crimes were comitted using legally registered handguns in your area?
Rifled barrels scratch bullets in an individual way. The police is technically capable to maintain a database of bullets, barrels and shells. I beleive it's done in your area when registering a firearm.Using a legal handgun to commit a crime is equal to leaving your business card on crime scene. Thst's why criminals use illegal weapons.
[b]hyperbole

Too much exaggeration: the situation looked soo funny..


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Owning a gun and using it in time of need are two very different situations. A basic training about handling a gun and firing may not be difficult, but using it in an actual situation, where someone else is about to shoot you (and you are about to pee in your pants) is very different. Talking about it is one thing, but the actual act of shooting someone, even in self-defense takes a lot more than talk. I have never held a gun or shot someone, but I know people who have handled guns, and it is quite different to shoot someone (or even something) than just owning a gun. An average gun owner maybe able to intimidate someone, but that is about it. It takes balls to actually shoot a person, even though you are not the aggressor.

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p.s. The ban on sniper rifles is very much valid. Are people so insecure that they need to assasinate each other from long distances? Also, being a sniper requires much more skill than just taking a gun and firing it. Civilians will be much better off investing their time in something else than learning how to snipe other people.


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20+ children at once? If everyone is armed&skilled shooter that'd be impossible.

Actually it is very possible it was actually 11 injured and 17 dead including the school teacher in 3 minutes. There was this guy who had passed all the tests to own a gun then he had a bad day walked in to the gym at Dunblane primary school and just killed all thes kids in cold blood and this man was a responsible gun owner. If you think it's impossible type in Dunblane school massacre in a search engine and see for yourself how possible it actually is.

Morever, one can do such a thing with an axe or knife. No powerful weapon is needed to slaughter 5 y.olds.
Why banning handguns because of the case?


Well we did ban handguns in the UK beacause of this in the UK. And only a gun could have killed 17 little 5 year olds no axe or knifwe could have done it.


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Usually they're in a box in a closet
They should be always with you. To let your weapon save your life once you should have it with you anytime of your life.



As I was walking home today, three kids about 50 yards away jumped another kid. Now what if one of them would've had a gun? Any of them, attacker or attackee. Things get blurry and hectic, and there's no telling what will happen. Somebody might have ended up shot. And over what? Money.

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It's just as easy to rob someone with a concealed weapon as it is to defend yourself.
How many crimes were comitted using legally registered handguns in your area?
Rifled barrels scratch bullets in an individual way. The police is technically capable to maintain a database of bullets, barrels and shells. I beleive it's done in your area when registering a firearm.Using a legal handgun to commit a crime is equal to leaving your business card on crime scene. Thst's why criminals use illegal weapons.
[b]hyperbole

Too much exaggeration: the situation looked soo funny..


Do you think we have a fkn forensics lab where I live? This is not the set of CSI.

I use to buy donuts at a local shop (a few blocks away). It was privately owned by a family. One night, some idiot with a shotgun decided it was an easy target for some quick cash.

The owner of the store fought back. Anyone with their own business would've. That's your money, your income, for a very long period of time. Well the idiot got a shot off, and killed the guy with his family right there.

You know what the cops did?

Not a damn thing. They never found the guy.

The robber probably didn't buy the gun legally, but somebody did.


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The ban on sniper rifles is very much valid. Are people so insecure that they need to assasinate each other from long distances? Also, being a sniper requires much more skill than just taking a gun and firing it. Civilians will be much better off investing their time in something else than learning how to snipe other people.

Mahesh, the typical situation of self-defence happens within the range of 15 meters.
Rifles, including sniper rifles aren't firearms for self-defence. Rifles are used for sport (the top case is shooting peices of paper with black circles on them) and hunting. The good hunter should try to kill game with first shot. An accurate (sniper) rifle is the most adequate weapon for it.
Legal restriction may be applied on carrying rifles outside one's home, designated shooting range or hunting place.
But banning sniper's rifles...


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Well we did ban handguns in the UK beacause of this in the UK. And only a gun could have killed 17 little 5 year olds no axe or knifwe could have done it.


The answer is there:
http://www.inreview.com/showthread....=684#post486318
, since continuation of the discussion in this thread would be off-topic.


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As I was walking home today, three kids about 50 yards away jumped another kid. Now what if one of them would've had a gun? Any of them, attacker or attackee. Things get blurry and hectic, and there's no telling what will happen. Somebody might have ended up shot. And over what? Money.



Do you think we have a fkn forensics lab where I live? This is not the set of CSI.

I use to buy donuts at a local shop (a few blocks away). It was privately owned by a family. One night, some idiot with a shotgun decided it was an easy target for some quick cash.

The owner of the store fought back. Anyone with their own business would've. That's your money, your income, for a very long period of time. Well the idiot got a shot off, and killed the guy with his family right there.

You know what the cops did?

Not a damn thing. They never found the guy.

The robber probably didn't buy the gun legally, but somebody did.

http://www.inreview.com/showthread....=684#post486325


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