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Desperate Housewives post #1  quote:






Marcia Cross as Bree Van De Kamp
James Denton as Mike Delfino
Teri Hatcher as Susan Mayer
Felicity Huffman as Lynette Scavo
Eva Longoria as Gabreille Solis
Nicollette Sheridan as Edie Britt
Andrea Bowen as Julie Mayer
Ricardo Antonio Chavira as Carlos Solis
Steven Culp as Rex Van De Kamp
Jesse Metcalfe as John
Mark Moses as Paul Young
Brenda Strong as Mary Alice Young


A primetime soap with a truly contemporary take on "happily every after," this new hour- long drama takes a darkly comedic look at suburbia, where the secret lives of housewives aren't always what they seem.

Looking down on her friends and family isn't a way of life for Mary Alice Young (Brenda Strong) ? it's a way of death. One day, in her perfect house, in the loveliest of suburbs, Mary Alice ended it all. Now she's taking us into the lives of her family, friends and neighbors, commenting from her elevated P.O.V.

Her small circle of girlfriends are wondering why one of their own would do something so rash? and so messy. There's Susan Mayer (Teri Hatcher), the divorcee and single mom who will go to extraordinary lengths for love; Lynette Scavo (Felicity Huffman), the ex-career woman who traded the boardroom for boredom, mixed with moments of sheer panic as the mother of four unmanageable kids; Bree Van De Kamp (Marcia Cross), the Martha Stewart on steroids, whose family is about to mutiny; and Gabrielle Solis, the ex-model with everything she's every wanted ? a rich husband, a big house ? so what is she doing with John, the 17-year-old gardener (Jesse Metcalfe)? And there are her neighbors, including serial divorcee Edie Britt (Nicollette Sheridan), whose romantic conquests have everyone buzzing.

Then there are the men: Hunky new neighbor Mike Delfino (James Denton), a supposedly widowed plumber who has Susan and Edie vying for his attention; Rex Van De Kamp (Steven Culp), who's just told Bree he wants a divorce; Gabrielle's better half, Carlos (Ricardo Antonio Chavira), who figures he bought his wife a $15,000 diamond necklace, so she should do whatever he tells her; as for Mary Alice's newly-widowed husband, Paul (Mark Moses), there must be a reason why he's acting so suspiciously ? and why he's digging up the pool in the middle of the night!

From her unique vantage point, Mary Alice sees more now than she ever did alive, and she's planning to share all the delicious secrets that hide behind every neighbor's closed door in this seemingly perfect American suburb.

Marc Cherry is executive producer and writer. Michael Edelstein and Tom Spezialy are executive producers, and Charles Pratt Jr. is consulting producer of the series, from Touchstone Television.


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Let me just say....

WOW!!

This show is AWESOME!! I loved everything about it, from the acting (well, I LIKE the acting...) to the writing, to the directing (great, interesting, supportive camera angles and scene positioning). I think this show can REALLY do well, and it might just be the best new show this season, in the running with Boston Legal.

I would admonish everyone to CHECK THIS SHOW OUT!


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I really liked it too. I forgot to watch last week. I can't wait for the next one.

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I'm here. Ken told me about this forum.

Ken also told me to tell you he told me

about this forum.

Ken is a God.

Ken didn't tell me to say that.

I'm schizophrenic.

No I am not.

I have to go watch tonight's episode.

I'll be back.

Nice to know this forum is here, let's get

it rolling.


Love Lickety...

DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES IS AWESOME!


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Tonight's TV Show Is Hilarious post #5  quote:

Well Lickety, thanks for that intro. But I'm like any other here, just having some fun. I'm blushing hoping God will forgive me. Ken No God, But A Comedy Act Tonight's show, Susan Mayer is a bit wacky losing her towel and locking herself out. But I love her necklace she wore. Isn't her Ex robbing some cradle with that blonde?

Bree Van De Kamp is wicked like Stacy Rotner from The Apprentice 2, whom used a plier and cut the sofa mattress springs to stick her husband's back. She then stole the shrink's copy of confidential taped interview from his office. What was most shocking was when she blurted out in front of the dinner guests that Rex her husband cries after ejaculating. What a witch.

And then there's Gabrielle Solis, the ex-model with everything she's every wanted - a rich husband, a big house - so she's about half his age and she needs to find some younger playtoy named John, the 17-year-old gardener. She reminds me of Mary Kay Latourno.

That neigborhood is something else.... and you just have to laugh at the funny scenes.


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Seventeen Year Old Lover... post #6  quote:

That is illegal in how many States?

I think it is illegal in all of Canada, but I don't know for sure-- I've never tried it.



[note from the moderator. this thread was merged into the Desperate Housewives thread]


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17yr Old Lover... post #7  quote:

That is illegal in how many States?

I think it is illegal in all of Canada, but I don't know for sure-- I've never tried it.


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OK, this is where I wanted that post to go.

Unfortunately, I was unable to remove the THREAD I started titled "SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD LOVER"...so hopefully I won't be shamed for long on this BB.

Actually, it would be funny if people were looking for this show called, "Seventeen Year Old Lover"...

Ahh well, nobody's perfect.


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ABC Promoting Statutory Rape post #8  quote:

Don't worry. The earth isn't going to fall out of the universe.

There's nothing wrong with starting a thread. Maybe this one will take off and reach 5,000 posting like the Scott Peterson thread started by Delta.

I'm not an expert when it comes to legal ages as some here know that I'm not an attorney or as they say those British.... barrister.

Eva Longoria (Gabrielle Solis) previously in The Young And The Restless (1973), General Hospital in 2000 now as lonely cheating spouse to (husband Carlos Solis) Ricardo Antonio Chavira when playing with the boytoy gardner. So it might be under 16 years of age becomes statutory age for girls and not sure if same age for boys age 17.

Season 1
1. 1-1 100 03-Oct-2004 Pilot
2. 1-2 101 10-Oct-2004 Ah, But Underneath
3. 1-3 102 17-Oct-2004 Pretty Little Picture
4. 1-4 103 24-Oct-2004 Who's that Woman?
5. 1-5 104 31-Oct-2004 Come in, Stranger
6. 1-6 105 07-Nov-2004 Running to Stand Still
7. 1-7 106 21-Nov-2004 Anything You Can Do
8. 1-8 104 28-Nov-2004 Guilty
9. 1-9 108 12-Dec-2004 Suspicious Minds


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post #9  quote:

Good point Lickety, that being on statutory rape.

I can't believe ABC is promoting this type of garbage to our society.


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14 is the legal age in some European countries. It's 16 for girls and 18 for guys here.

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Schmiggens: So, over 18 years for a male is legal? Under 18 is illegal?

And a girl 16 and under is illegal?



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Yup. Illegal of you're a guy under 18 or a girl under 16. If it's gay/ anal sex though, you both have to be over 21, that's both genders. In Russia the legal age for everyone doing just about everything is 14.

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ABC Hollywood Shooting The Show Is Illegal post #13  quote:

Promoting Child Molestation And The California Cops and District Attorneys Go After Wacko Jacko Only? AP reports the dark suburban comedy was seen by 21.6 million viewers on Sunday, the most popular show of the week about a housewife having sex with a boytoy.

Schmiggens, is that the legal requirements in Australia? And Lickety that's very similar in Canada for sexual consent: female (14) and male (18). In NJ, the uniformed age is at 16; In NY uniformed at 17 age; In Pa uniformed at 16; In California uniformed at 18. Doesn't matter the gender. So here's the age of consent chart on four stats, first by state, then heterosexual, then female and lastly male. Breakdown in the United States State by State (including Canada < -- Click Here to see chart.
    Statutory rape is generally defined as when an adult has sex with a minor. Although the age of consent varies from state to state, consent is not a factor if one partner is under the age of consent...
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Re: ABC Hollywood Shooting The Show Is Illegal post #14  quote:

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Schmiggens, is that the legal requirements in Australia?


Yup.

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So here's the age of consent chart on four stats, first by state, then heterosexual, then female and lastly male. [B]Breakdown in the United States State by State (including Canada &lt; --


I can't believe you can get parental consent and it's OK it's some states. Thats hilarious. How do you prosecute someone and overcome finding out whether their mum said they could do it or not? That's really odd.

I also can't believe that gayness is illegal in 18 states. Get a grip on reality USA.

They have an international guide to ages of consent as well on that web site. Some places the legal age is 12


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Gays Have Tougher Laws On Molestation post #15  quote:

That's why we called ourselves the UNITED States. We are united but great diversity. Sorta like a cafeteria. Our citizens can move about and choose what's important to them. California seems to be the toughest at 18. Hawaii seems to be the easiest at only age 14 and they have no current law.

General parental consent is to lessen the arms of the law in reaching into kiddie sex. Sorta explains why these hick states allow that like South Carolina and Iowa PC at 14, Utah 16, Idaho 16, Wyoming 16, Montana 16, Delaware 16 and Conncticut 15.
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Some places the legal age is 12...

Maybe Michael Jackson forgot where he was all those times.


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Re: Gays Have Tougher Laws On Molestation post #16  quote:

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Maybe Michael Jackson forgot where he was all those times.


Well he does travel a lot .......



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Easier For Female Molestation Predators To Escape The Law post #17  quote:

This ABC Hollywood show is paled compared to the Wacko Jacko where the parents give consent for the young boy to go traveling on tour with Jackson.
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Well he does travel a lot...
That's the point. Isn't the boy's mum from another country?

And Gloria Allred was spastic over Michael Jackson dangling his kids in front of the German photographers that she wanted the California Youth Services to take away his parental custody of his OWN kids. You still say he isn't the legal parent?


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I don't know about that. Look at the teacher who was put away fro having sex with her 12 year old student. I think that it's just less common for women to get involved with men that are underage. So you hear about it less and think that they're getting away with it. I think it's more that they're not doing it as much as men do.


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'Desperate Housewives' Rejected By Most Networks

Creator Marc Cherry says NBC and CBS didn't want "Desperate Housewives." Neither did HBO, Fox or Lifetime.

HBO said it wasn't gritty enough. A CBS suit told him it was too dark for network chief Leslie Moonves' taste. NBC supposedly was choosing between "Desperate Housewives" and another script, and chose the other. Fox thought it wasn't right for the network. So did Lifetime.

ABC was willing to take the chance. ABC scooped it up and it's been the No. 1 show on Sunday nights since it premiered. Nearly 21 million people tuned in Sunday night. Cherry said he's "stunned" by how popular the show is.

With its Sunday time slot, "Desperate Housewives" seems to be filling a void left when "Sex and the City" went off the air in February: a vehicle for viewers, particularly women, to have a few laughs the night before a new work week begins.

Both shows feature four beautiful women. But instead of navigating the single life in the world's most glamorous city, the "Desperate Housewives" women are dealing with the realities of life behind a facade of the American dream.

- The Associated Press.


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So what do you think is in the trunk that Mary-Alice's husband tried to get rid of?

I think it may be the body of /or the documents of an FBI agent who was infiltrating a crime ring the husband was involved with. Mary-Alice had an affair with this agent and her hubby found out and accidentaly killed him....then they discovered he's FBI and panicked.

I think Mike is another Agent sent by the FBI to investigate the disappearance.

It's a long shot. But I'm going with that for now...



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Split...That's a good try..but don't you think a body dead that long would betray itself by the fetid odor?

We know there's a guy with a gun but I don't have a clue what he's going for?


Maybe it the sex-kitten's husband who has beeen a bad bad boy?


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post #22  quote:

well, if it was chopped up nicely and covered with lime it wouldn't smell so bad.


Wasn't that trunk dug up by the husband of Mary-Alice from their pool? He then dumped it in a lake or river.

Plus, if it's not a body, perhaps it's clothing or items for the missing Agent I mentioned.

Just something to ponder...


Lickety...call me Lickety please. Split sounds kinda obscene for a woman.



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well, if it was chopped up nicely and covered with lime it wouldn't smell so bad.


Wasn't that trunk dug up by the husband of Mary-Alice from their pool? He then dumped it in a lake or river.

Plus, if it's not a body, perhaps it's clothing or items for the missing Agent I mentioned.

Just something to ponder...


Lickety...call me Lickety please. Split sounds kinda obscene for a woman.





OK...Lick.....


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Speaking of obscene ...

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SAUCY DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES UPSET THE ADVERTISERS

One of America's leading home improvement chains has pulled out of advertising during new hit show "Desperate Housewives" -- because the series is too racy.

Just three weeks into its run, the titillating ABC Sunday night show -- which stars Teri Hatcher -- has struck ratings gold, but many advertisers are less than happy with the racy content.

And now bosses of furniture and do-it-yourself store Lowe's has insisted their ads are pulled from the show's commercial breaks.

A Lowe's spokesperson says, "We have a strict advertising policy against running in shows that contain gratuitous sex or violence and this is one that fell through the cracks."

Other advertisers are expected to follow suit as the series heats up with more sex scenes and suggestive scripts, but ABC bosses are far from worried.

In a statement, they say, "We are seeing tremendous demand from advertisers for the show."

- SF Gate


Sex sells, advertisers know that, they should embrace the concept. Besides isn't this show aimed at women, and women are becoming very handy and do-it-yourself around the house. It makes sense.


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It's one of my fav shows. Great cast. Good plotting .

The Channel can now charge double for spots. They are glad some sponsors dropped out.

And this publicity will attract even more viewers.


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Too racy?

Gratuitous sex?

Have they watched any Daytime Soaps lately?

Geesh!

I agree this brouhaha over the content will make the ratings jump...and that's a good thing.



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post #27  quote:

I don't see what's so racy and outrageous that isn't on other prime time dramas. It's a good show, it's captured my interest pretty well.

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American Romance Crime: ABC Promoting Statutory Rape post #28  quote:

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I don't know about that. Look at the teacher who was put away fro having sex with her 12 year old student. I think that it's just less common for women to get involved with men that are underage. So you hear about it less and think that they're getting away with it. I think it's more that they're not doing it as much as men do.

That teacher was freed from prison Wednesday, Aug. 4, 2004 after serving a seven-year term for child rape years was Mary Kay Letourneau for having sex with her 12 year old student named Vili Fualaau. She decided to have two more kids outside the knowledge of own husband Steve and was caught having sex in her family van.

Steve Letourneau family 1991 Mary Kay's Boytoy
    Mary Kay always had an ex-student from her sixth grade class over at the house. It was summer and school was out. Why should that boy, 13-year-old Vili Fualaau, always be hanging around? It seemed like his wife wanted to informally adopt that kid. She had more than enough responsibilities as it was. He and Mary Kay had four children of their own. Moreover, Steve was tired of Mary Kay constantly singing that Samoan-American boy's praises. Maybe he was a good artist for a kid his age but so what? That didn't make him a genius. Like most people, Steve thought Vili was a nice enough boy but he was just a boy, gangly, awkward, sometimes shy and other times self-consciously daring. Mary Kay did not seem to want to put her foot down around her former student the way an adult should. She even allowed him to smoke cigarettes in their house...

    He kissed her. To his joy, she returned the kiss. The two were embracing, touching each other intimately, and kissing deep and passionately. Flashing lights interrupted the scene. A night watchman thought the parked car might be suspicious and called police.

    "What is going on here?" an officer asked. "How old is the boy?" she was asked. "Eighteen," she replied.

    Mary Kay gave her full name and said she was a schoolteacher. She was watching Vili overnight because his mother worked a late shift. The boy appeared to be hiding under a sleeping bag... The police were perplexed. According to a book on the case, If Loving You Is Wrong by Gregg Olsen, an officer "wondered if she was being held captive by the boy or perhaps he was being held against his will." They prodded Vili. They could tell by looking at him that he could not be 18. He had neither a driver's license nor a state ID card.

    "How old are you?" "Fourteen," was the reply.

    The police took the pair down to the station. Officers phoned Vili's mother, Soona Fualaau. The attractive, plump woman, who wore her black hair in waves cascading down her shoulders, told the police that she trusted Letourneau. "If he's with her," Soona said, "It's OK."

    The two were free to leave.

    A few days later, 34-year-old Mary Kay Letourneau and 13-year-old Vili Fualaau first had sexual intercourse. Vili would later claim they had sex some 300 to 400 times. The scandal would shock much of the country. No one would be more stunned than Mary Kay's friends and family. They had always seen her as a kind of "All American Girl" (a phrase that would become part of the title of a made-for-TV movie about the case ).


    * crimelibrary.com


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I don't see what's so racy and outrageous that isn't on other prime time dramas. It's a good show, it's captured my interest pretty well.


It's outrageous because Gabrielle Solis, the ex-model with everything she's everything she wanted - a rich husband, a big house - so she's about half his age and she needs to find some younger playtoy named John, the 17-year-old gardener. She reminds me of Mary Kay Latourno. It's outrageous for married women to take advantage of boys like Wacko Jacko, right?

Mary Kay Letourneau mugshot. She couldn't stop loving the boy in more ways than one which gets her in jail.

Both parties agree that Boytoy Vili initiated and enjoyed sex with Mary Kay. But because the child rape law in Washington State is gender neutral she is legally a rapist and he a victim. Is that really fair he got the benefits and she got to go to jail? A nearby state decided that boys and girls can have different ages set that isn't the same and it wouldn't be gender discrimination. This might be interesting nevertheless.
    California's statutory rape law defines the crime as "an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a female not the wife of the perpetrator, where the female is under the age of 18 years." The constitutionality of the statue was challenged on grounds of gender discrimination in the case of Michael M. v. Sonoma Superior Court, 450 U.S. 464 (1981). The Superior Court, then California's state Supreme Court, and finally the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the statute as constitutional.

    The latter ruled that, because "one of the purposes" of the law is to "protect women from sexual intercourse and pregnancy at an age when the physical, emotional, and psychological consequences are particularly severe" and men do not get pregnant the "gender classification is not invidious, but rather realistically reflects the fact that the sexes are not similarly situated in certain circumstances."
    Judge Lau accepted the plea bargain with two conditions. One was that Mary Kay give up custody of Audrey to Vili's mother until her release. The second was that she never again have any contact with Vili. The defendant agreed to both conditions. After serving three months behind bars, Mary Kay was freed in January 1998.

    On February 3, 1998, Seattle police officers who were on a routine neighborhood patrol pulled up along a gray Volkswagen Fox sedan. The windows were steamed up and two people appeared to be having sex. Officers ordered the people inside to open the doors. The police instantly recognized Mary Kay Letourneau. She was arrested for violating parole. Vili Fualaau, then a high school freshman, was in the vehicle with her.

    Three days later, Mary Kay was back in court. Television viewers saw an unkempt, devastated looking Mary Kay in contrast with the well-groomed woman of previous appearances.

    Judge Lau came down on Mary Kay like a ton of bricks. "This case is not about a flawed system. It is about an opportunity that you foolishly squandered," she told Mary Kay. The judge, vacating the plea bargain, sentenced Mary Kay to seven and a half years in prison, the maximum for child rape.

    Prison officials soon found out that Mary Kay was pregnant for the second time by Vili Fualaau. They made the decision not to prosecute her for an additional charge of child rape. Seven and a half years would be enough for her. In October 1998, Mary Kay gave birth to a daughter she named Georgia. Like her older sister Audrey, Georgia is being raised by her grandmother Soona and dad Vili.


    * Source: crimelibrary.com


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Well, when you're dealing with a show called Desperate Housewives, then these sorts of issues might be tackled, since, as Ken NJ pointed out, they DO happen in real life, and art reflects life, or life reflects art... Something like that....

This also reminds me of Nicole Kidman's controversial movie, Birth, in which her character takes a bath with a 10-yr-old character.

We need to consider the possibility that society is getting very relaxed in what it sees to be outrageous or unacceptable. Thus, TV shows (especially primetime shows seeking higher ratings) are gonna always be pushing those boundaries ever further in order to provide the shock value and intrigue we look for out of a good, gripping show. It's the basic nature of the business.


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