There are hidden meanings in all of Tolkiens works, some are obvious and some are not.
For instance, Saruman destroying the forest to make his warmachines is how Tolkien felt about the destruction of the forests and woods. He believed those that would do such a thing evil.
What other hiden messages are there in the writing?
I have recently done a GCSE History exam on the cold war (Which the teachers at my school knew nothing about and had to learn before we did, anyway). The people in the western world were told by the American and Europian governments that the eastern way of thinking was wrong and all who were in charge in the east were evil (Which is wrong because Communism in its truest form is a wonderful thing but it was perverted over the years and drifted away from Marxes original idea)
I believe that this 'Propaganda' by the western governments influenced Tolkiens writing in a way. For Tolkien always wrote that the west was the 'good' and the east was the 'evil'
I agree, Tiger. There is also a lot of religious symbolism in Lord of the Rings. Tolkien was Catholic, and his beliefs really influenced his writing. Great thread by the way. You amaze me.
When the soldiers came over the trenches and into no mans land. I think it is supposed to be Tolkiens version of that from what he experianced in WW1 and his artistic vision of what those battles ended with.
almost all of Tolkien's work had some meaning behind it, or something that he drew that idea from. this the place to discuss those "hidden meanings" of Tolkiens works.
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Aragorn at Helms deep and on from there is modeled on Winston Churchill. He is meant to inspire the people of Rohan and Gondor like Winston Churchill did during the battle of Britain.
Helms deep is supposed to be the battle of Britain of Middle-Earth. Each character that he focusses on are related to people during the Battle of Britain. Theoden represents the common man and their feelings during that time, Aragorn represents Chruchill, and so on.
the Ents march on Isengard was loosly taken from 'the Scottish Play', the one that no actor or actress dare say because it brings bad luck.......................MACBETH!!!!
Tolkien read Macbeth and there is a part at the end of the story where one of Macbeths men says to him that the forest is moving but it turns out only to be that there are people carrying branches towards the castle. Tolkien though it was anti-climatic so he mad it so that the forest really did move and crush the enemy MUHAHAHAHAHA!
Treebeard himself is Tolkiens artistic interpretation of C.S.Lewis. They both taught at the same collage and were good friends (presumabaly because of Middle-Earth and Narnia). During C.S.Lewis leasons Tolkien would hear a low rumbling coming down the hall and so he based the Entish launguage on C.S.Lewis talking. Treebeards attitude is the same as C.S.Lewises.
My Dad once said about how it was based on World War Two. Tolkien wrote in the climax leadin up to the war and during it. You guys are amazing though. You spot all this stuff.
"It's just something Gandalf said, "Don't you lose him Samwise Gamgee", and I don't mean to."
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