Because 'toking'=drug. There is not such thing 'casual toking', either you dont do it at all or you become addicted. First you do it once in a month, then on the weekends, then everyday... Then you move on to heavier drugs.... There is much higher chance you are going to become a drug addict than an alcoholic.
What the hell are you talking about? Alcohol is waaaaaaaaaaaay more addictive than weed. Some people do what you describe, some people keep it once a month. Marijuana is not a "gateway drug," alcohol is. Almost everybody drinks before they smoke. Some people never smoke weed, some people stop at weed. And yes, some people move on to heavier drugs. But it all started with alcohol, not weed.
Yes, but there aren't too many alcoholics - not as many as drug addicts, who lose their jobs and destroy their lives. People get addicted to drugs much faster than to alcohol, marijuana destroys their brains.
If you seriously believe that, I'll bring up some statistics. There are far, far more alcoholics that drug addicts. But actually an alcoholic is a drug addict, their drug just happens to be legal.
Now imagine yourself a nation of 30 million where like 15 million smoke the ****. See what i am getting at?...
I seriously doubt that many people would smoke. Maybe a small percentage of people who don't smoke would start if it became legal, but for the most part it would be the same number of people smoking, they'd just be doing it legally.
I have very strong suspicion that those in the parliament who want to legalise marijuana were paid by the organised crime, so that they could make more money without risking their lives to the justice.
probably true. And that's what made alcohol prohibition fail.
if you want to argue that drugs are bad, okay. But if you want to argue that alcohol is not a drug, that's stupid and hypocritical. It destroys the brain just as bad, if not worse than marijuana.
And about kids doing drugs: I don't know how big of a problem this actually is, but believe it or not, legalizing weed would make it harder for kids to get drugs.
When I was 15, it was damn near impossible for me to get alcohol, or even cigarettes. You had to get your friend's sister's friend's friend who knew someone who was 21 to get it for you.
All I had to do to get weed was ask somebody at school. Legalize it, and it becomes regulated. It'll be just as hard to get a hold of as alcohol. This isn't speculation, this is speaking from experience.
What the hell are you talking about? Alcohol is waaaaaaaaaaaay more addictive than weed.
First of all, it depends on each person's life conditions, like family, work, social aspects, etc. Second, alcohol is a widely accepted product, be it French wines or German beers or Russian vodka (ill go into this a little later). Third, weed is more addictive because of the mental damage it does to those who use it, like lazyness, inability to study and work as effectively as before, and in the long term, schizofrenia and other mental illnesses. I spoke with hospital nurses and paramedics, who told me what weed really is and how it kills people - maybe no physically but mentally.
Yes alcohol is very addictive, especially if consumed when having personal problems and at a background of unhappy family/social/professional life. But, prohibiting alcohol has led to massive death of alcoholics who started drinking inappropriate and low-quality alcohol containing substances like deodorants (USSR) and underground-made whiskey (USA). People drank, drink and will drink, no matter what.
Some people do what you describe, some people keep it once a month.
Yes. So it's ok for some percentage of marijuana users to become finished cocaine (or other heavy drug) addicts? Is it ok for those who stay with weed to become stupid?
Marijuana is not a "gateway drug," alcohol is.
Yes it is a gateway drug, i personally knew guys - sportsmen, carrying healthy lifestyle, etc. - and girls to go down the ladder in a matter of few months. Imagine yourself meeting a friend after 6 months and finding out that he regularly uses cocaine. I felt sorry for him, he used to be a water polo player - and was achieving good results. This is just one person i personally know who started with WEED and ended in a hole.
Almost everybody drinks before they smoke.
Wrong. Since it's harder to get drinks than weed, most kids - sometimes at the age of 14-15 - smoked marijuana before starting tobacco or alcohol.
Some people never smoke weed, some people stop at weed. And yes, some people move on to heavier drugs. But it all started with alcohol, not weed.
Alcohol is a completely different kind of 'drug', it's not a drug like marijuana or anything else. Alcohol makes one feel brave and superior, sharpens sex drive, and so on. Marijuana takes you to a different world with it's own thoughts and it's own enjoyment, while alcohol makes you closer with people around you. Lets put it this way: addiction to alcohol has nothing to do with addiction to drugs like marijuana.
If you seriously believe that, I'll bring up some statistics. There are far, far more alcoholics that drug addicts. But actually an alcoholic is a drug addict, their drug just happens to be legal.
I am talking about Canada - probably the picture is different in the States and varies across different parts of it. Alcoholism is a problem number one in Russia, and the only solution - as i see it - is to improve people's quality of life.
I seriously doubt that many people would smoke. Maybe a small percentage of people who don't smoke would start if it became legal, but for the most part it would be the same number of people smoking, they'd just be doing it legally.
Maybe not 15 million, but at least 40% SMOKE MARIJUANA ALREADY. Teachers, policemen, doctors (!), scientists - mature, responsible family people smoke drugs. Unebelievable? Better believe it, i've seen it with my eyes. Sometimes i had no idea and would never think that these people smoke drugs, until i get into their crew.
probably true. And that's what made alcohol prohibition fail.
Mafia gained their first millions selling alcohol to ordinary people who want to drink. These millions were used to bribe government officers to get their cover, and then when the executives in the White House understood that prohibition brought more harm than benefit they lifted the law. But it was too late, organised crime had the money and power to move on drugs, prostitution, etc. Did you read about Chicago and NYC of 20s-40s? Very interesting reading, i can advise you a few books if you want.
if you want to argue that drugs are bad, okay. But if you want to argue that alcohol is not a drug, that's stupid and hypocritical.
Alcohol is a drug, but it's a different type of it. And casual drinking causes NO addiction - unlike marijuana.
It destroys the brain just as bad, if not worse than marijuana.
True.
And about kids doing drugs: I don't know how big of a problem this actually is, but believe it or not, legalizing weed would make it harder for kids to get drugs.
The problem is big, and it's good if it's considered to be a problem at all. You look at this from a different perspective, i think we shouldn't legalise weed to make it harder for kids to get it, but we should enforce anti-drug laws much harder to prevent anybody from getting it.
When I was 15, it was damn near impossible for me to get alcohol, or even cigarettes. You had to get your friend's sister's friend's friend who knew someone who was 21 to get it for you.
All I had to do to get weed was ask somebody at school. Legalize it, and it becomes regulated. It'll be just as hard to get a hold of as alcohol. This isn't speculation, this is speaking from experience.
It should be impossible to get for everybody, not just kids.
Alcohol is a completely different kind of 'drug', it's not a drug like marijuana or anything else. Alcohol makes one feel brave and superior, sharpens sex drive, and so on. Marijuana takes you to a different world with it's own thoughts and it's own enjoyment, while alcohol makes you closer with people around you. Lets put it this way: addiction to alcohol has nothing to do with addiction to drugs like marijuana.
PCP makes you feel brave and superior as well. Feeling brave and superior from a substance, imho, is not a good thing.
Oh and a word of advice: alcohol does not sharpen your sex drive, it just makes you feel like your sex drive is sharpened go hang around people who are drinking, but don't drink. Just observe. It's really quite sad (but funny), and you'll see that alcohol is just another drug.
Marijuana kind of does take you to another world yeah. It's more intellectual than marijuana. You think of stuff you normally wouldn't think of. It gives you brand new perspectives and lets you know that there are many different ways of thinking.
But in the end, let's not kid ourselves. Booze and reefer are ultimately wastes of time and money. You drink to let loose and have a good time, you smoke to relax and veg out. Some people prefer alcohol, some people prefer weed. All drugs are different kinds of drugs. Opium is different than weed is different that alcohol is different than cocaine is different than... whatever.
Alcohol is a drug. There is no way around that. It produces artificial feelings. It destroys brains cells. Alcohol users are also less-productive than pepole who don't use it. If you use it, you are a drug-user. If you think you are any better than users of other drugs, you are lying to yourself and you are a hypocrite.
PCP makes you feel brave and superior as well. Feeling brave and superior from a substance, imho, is not a good thing.
What is PCP? And yes, feeling brave from a substance is not a good thing, but what's even worse, those who do use the substance dont understand it and keep on using it.
Oh and a word of advice: alcohol does not sharpen your sex drive, it just makes you feel like your sex drive is sharpened go hang around people who are drinking, but don't drink. Just observe. It's really quite sad (but funny), and you'll see that alcohol is just another drug.
I have been hanging around with alcoholics, people who drink casually, drug addicts, and so on and so forth. Yes for some people alcohol is a drug and they are addicted to it like hell, but far less than drugs like marijuana. And yes, alcohol does sharpen your sex drive, and helps you achieve the goal. Denying that is childish and/or hypocritical.
Marijuana kind of does take you to another world yeah. It's more intellectual than marijuana. You think of stuff you normally wouldn't think of. It gives you brand new perspectives and lets you know that there are many different ways of thinking.
Yeah I smoke. "Typical drug addict's opinion?" That's so stupid. I mean, what you said is right. But you said the same kind of stuff about alcohol. So that makes you a drug-addict, and you're defense of alcohol is a "typical drug addict's opinion."
The reason we use substances is because we like the way it makes us feel. I know weed is drug. I know it's not an "herb." But having done a good amount of drinking and a good amount of smoking, trust me, Alcohol is a drug. And not only is it a drug, it's a pretty hefty drug (especially liquor). Very dangerous. How many fights are because of alcohol consumption? How many spousal abuse are because of alcohol consumption?
PS: alcohol helps you achieve your goal of getting laid only if the person you are trying to get with is drunk too
The only reason alcohol is legal is because there are so many people who do alcohol that it is impossible to prohibit it. It's not because it's not as harmful.
Watch somebody throwing up on themselves and tell me it's not a drug.
Watch a girl go home with some guy she's never met before and tell me it's not a drug.
Watch frat boys try to load girls full of liquor and get them into their room and tell me it's not a drug.
Watch two otherwise normal people get into a brutal fight that ends in one of them getting his head smashed on the floor and having to be hospitalized, all because one called the other a "***" and tell me it's not a drug.
Watch someone who can barely stand up tell other people they're not drunk and then get in their car and tell me it's not a drug.
Watch somebody go drop 40 bucks in one night at a bar, and tell me it's not a drug.
See all these idiot potheads walking around with pot leaf caps and tshirts, and 4:20 and whatnot? What about people with Budweiser caps and talking about "It's Miller time!"
And what about a "beer bong?" I think that there should give it away. It's A DRUG!!!!!!!!!!
Dekka00, of course booze is a drug. I don't know what mrJukovtette is talking about. He lives in some world I've never heard of. I used to smoke pot and do mushrooms and speed but don't anymore because like virtually everyone else I know I got bored with the stuff and was fed up with the paranoia (and even beer makes you paranoid if you do it for long enogh).
Beer's by far THE worst problem drug in Britain. I haven't got the statistics but it's something like the major factor in 75% of violent crime, theft and domestic violence.
As for hard-drug addiction, which is a problem because of the crime to get the money to buy it, I think we're moving in the right direction in Britain, where we want to make it a medical problem not a criminal problem so that the prison's aren't overflowing with idiots that just happened to get addicted to something.
In the end the most dangerous drug is of course cigarettes, killing a staggering 120,000 people a year in the UK.
h@ts said this in post #8 : Beer's by far THE worst problem drug in Britain. I haven't got the statistics but it's something like the major factor in 75% of violent crime, theft and domestic violence.
H@ts....
Alcohol is also the leading cause of domestic violence in the states.
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
omg........ i had almost this exact conversation with someone just a few weeks ago. imo, alcohol is FAR more dangerous than weed. and i dont think weed is as addictive as alcohol. i've never seen anyone going into convulsions because of a lack of marijuana!!
anyhow, no need to be redundant. you pretty much summed it up Dekka.
"Typical drug addict's opinion?" That's so stupid.
No it's not. Most drug addicts come up with these 'new ways of thinking' or 'new feelings' stuff. Nothing new.
Just a friendly advice: quit drugs.
I mean, what you said is right. But you said the same kind of stuff about alcohol. So that makes you a drug-addict, and you're defense of alcohol is a "typical drug addict's opinion."
I am not addicted to alcohol whatsoever, and many-many other people who drink are not addicted either. I agree that alcohol is addictive, but marijuana is much worse.
The reason we use substances is because we like the way it makes us feel. I know weed is drug. I know it's not an "herb." But having done a good amount of drinking and a good amount of smoking, trust me, Alcohol is a drug.
Excessive drinking has killed a lot of people. But alcohol is not a drug in usual understanding of that word; it's different in terms of physical affection, addiction, and so on. You can't compare alcohol and weed, for example.
And not only is it a drug, it's a pretty hefty drug (especially liquor). Very dangerous. How many fights are because of alcohol consumption? How many spousal abuse are because of alcohol consumption?
A lot. How many car collisions are because of alcohol? Murders? etc. etc. You have to drink responsibly and control yourself.
The only reason alcohol is legal is because there are so many people who do alcohol that it is impossible to prohibit it. It's not because it's not as harmful.
Exactly. And as a kind of social activity, alcohol is a cool way to spend your time. What's better than a beer after work, watching TV in the comfort of your home?
Watch somebody throwing up on themselves and tell me it's not a drug.
I said already: dont mix drinks, and dont eat chinese food when drinking, and you will be fine.
Watch a girl go home with some guy she's never met before and tell me it's not a drug.
Watch frat boys try to load girls full of liquor and get them into their room and tell me it's not a drug.
It has nothing to do with drugs. Quite opposite, when affected by drugs, women are less likely to desire sex.
I know, it's so stupid to make a girl really drunk so that she doesnt even understand what's going on. Still has nothing to do with drugs.
Watch two otherwise normal people get into a brutal fight that ends in one of them getting his head smashed on the floor and having to be hospitalized, all because one called the other a "***" and tell me it's not a drug.
You have to control yourself. Personally, ive never had a fight when drinking, however i've seen a lot of guys do that. Really i dont understand why would get drunk and fight. Just stupid.
Watch someone who can barely stand up tell other people they're not drunk and then get in their car and tell me it's not a drug.
Watch someone who can barely speak, can't walk or stand at all, and still want to 'roll another one' and tell me it's not a drug.
If you drink too much, you are going to have problems like smashed car, suspended licence and costly fines. What's your point?
Watch somebody go drop 40 bucks in one night at a bar, and tell me it's not a drug.
Watch somebody spend 40 bucks every damn day to buy marijuana and tell me it's not worse than alcohol.
See all these idiot potheads walking around with pot leaf caps and tshirts, and 4:20 and whatnot? What about people with Budweiser caps and talking about "It's Miller time!"
Both of them are stupid.
And what about a "beer bong?" I think that there should give it away. It's A DRUG!!!!!!!!!!
What's beer bong?
btw: PCP is 'angel dust.' I think you snort it or something. Makes people feel invincible. Takes like 7 cops to detain them sometimes.
omg........ i had almost this exact conversation with someone just a few weeks ago. imo, alcohol is FAR more dangerous than weed. and i dont think weed is as addictive as alcohol. i've never seen anyone going into convulsions because of a lack of marijuana!!
Marijuana is just the beginning. You haven't seen many sides of this life.
anyhow, no need to be redundant. you pretty much summed it up Dekka.
I dont even know why am i wasting time trying to convince drug addicts (phewwww) that drugs are bad. Not only these people smoke, they actually defend what they are doing - yes we smoke the ****, and proud of it. Unbelievable.
to say that you are trying to convince "drug addicts" that drugs are bad is just a silly statement.
Why is okay to come home after work and have a few beers but not okay to come home after work and get high? getting high has no worse affect than coming home and having a few beers. both activities are relaxing. I know a lot of people who get high occasionally, i know a lot of people who get high maybe once a week. i know A LOT of people who cant come home after work and NOT have a beer or two or three.
saying that alcohol is not a drug in the usual sense of the word is definetly an unfounded statement. a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug. some may be worse than others but alcohol is every bit as much a drug as weed is. i smoke cigarettes and nicotine IS drug. it may be legal. it may not get me "high" or "drunk" but it is an addictive drug nonetheless.
personally, i would rather see someone smoke a joint and enjoy a few hours of relaxation then for someone to drink a six pack and start acting out loudly and obnoxiously.
you state that people should drink responsibly and that goes for weed. if it is done responsibly than it poses no more risks than alcohol. a responsbile adult knows when to stop drinking and a responsible adult also knows not to experiment with addictive drugs, i.e heroin, coke, etc etc.
i am 29 years old, and have gotten high only a handful of times my entire life. NEVER have i had the desire to do any other drug, other than alcohol. and the handful of times i have been high, i have been in way more control and aware of everything around me than when im out drinking.
i am a mature woman who sustains my own household, cares for my children, works everyday from 8 - 5 in an excellent position. i consider myself to be a great mother and no one can convince me that because MAYBE once a month, when my kids are with their dad, i get high that makes me a drug addict or a bad person.
I am not addicted to alcohol whatsoever, and many-many other people who drink are not addicted either. I agree that alcohol is addictive, but marijuana is much worse.
Alcohol is far far FAR more addictive to marijuana. For example, you can get phsyically dependent on alcohol, but not marijuana. (Yes you can get psychologically addicted, but you can get psychologically addicted to sex or TV as well.)
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Exactly. And as a kind of social activity, alcohol is a cool way to spend your time. What's better than a beer after work, watching TV in the comfort of your home?
04-16-2004 05:39 PM
Maybe not 15 million, but at least 40% SMOKE MARIJUANA ALREADY. Teachers, policemen, doctors (!), scientists - mature, responsible family people smoke drugs. Unebelievable? Better believe it, i've seen it with my eyes. Sometimes i had no idea and would never think that these people smoke drugs, until i get into their crew.
It has nothing to do with drugs. Quite opposite, when affected by drugs, women are less likely to desire sex.
