As for the U.S. government, I do not believe they have fully come clean about U.F.O.'s and extra-terrestrial life. Look at the findings from Project Blue Book. They only admitted that 'no U.F.O. investigated poses a threat to national security.'
But should they tell us everything? Can we handle it? Are they keeping the alien conspiracy under wraps for our own good?
honestly you know the film men in black well thats my opinon and do i think im ready 2 know yes do i think the public as a whole are ready well have u heard of the term MASS HYSTERIA
Mystic I dont agree. You really believe were the only LIFE FORM out of the WHOLE universe? I dont. I believe somewhere in those MILLIONS and TRILLIONS of miles away theres at least one other life form. But just my opinion. I also dont think that gov. has told us everything they know. But for sure there was a UFO discovered in Area 51. There used to be a website called www.area51sufo.com. That site was created around the same time that the Area 51 incident occured. The site featured over 12 pics of a UFO crash in area 51. The site was cancelled a few hours after it was made. But the gov. has there ways of covering every whole up. Just like that one...
First of all, I don't believe any UFO has been seen, however; if there was such a thing, who is the government to decide for us what we can and cannot handle? We share this planet with them and have just as much of a right to know these things.
Second, if there were UFOs visiting us, it would be impossible for the government to make sure we didn't know about them.
Third, what better way to hide sophisticated inventions than to let the people THINK there is a UFO conspiracy.
If I was the government and I wanted to hide an extremely high-speed weapon or aircraft or spy equipment, and while testing it, some civilian saw lights in the sky or an odd shape, I would let them carry on with a UFO theory. This way, it would steer the public in a direction that prevents them from finding out what projects they are working on.
The question for me would not be is the government hiding UFO information from us, but rather, is the government hiding advanced technology from us?
I think the gov. has all the rights they want to hide things from us. I know as well as others that there are many things we shouldn't know about. We may share this planet but we dont all need to share our knowledge. There are things that we should and shouldnt know about. I believe aliens or UFO's is one of them. I believe if we did find out the world would no longer be the same. People would make the biggest deal out of it. They would start doing things unheard of. Things like what the Raider fans do when they lose a game. It just wouldnt be safe. They are most likely probably 88% chance they are hiding weapons from us. I also believe that is a good idea. Imagine if a physco killer found out there were laser beams that could blow half a city up in one blast. I think he might think about taking that. People are smart and they could get a hold of a lot of things you wouldnt want them to get a hold of. I think our planet is doing just FINE without UFO's or secret weapons. Who knows maybe some of the things we use in our everyday life are from UFO's that have been found?
Kookaburra said this in post #5 : Third, what better way to hide sophisticated inventions than to let the people THINK there is a UFO conspiracy.
If I was the government and I wanted to hide an extremely high-speed weapon or aircraft or spy equipment, and while testing it, some civilian saw lights in the sky or an odd shape, I would let them carry on with a UFO theory. This way, it would steer the public in a direction that prevents them from finding out what projects they are working on.
Yes. This is apparently what happened in the Roswell case. For years the UFO theory went without a believable refutation by the government. But in 1994, almost 50 years after the incident, the Air Force report that the "UFO" was actually a part of "project mogul", a balloon with equipment designed to spy on Russian nuclear weapons. Very secret back then, but not anymore. Of course this is still very much debated and probably will always be. There are people who find this explanation far fetched but think an alien spacecraft is entirely plausible.
Personally I don't believe aliens have visited us. As new planets are discovered it becomes increasingly probable that there is life out there, perhaps even intelligent life. But there are problems with them coming here. Like the unimaginably long distances to travel. It may be theoretically possible to travel faster than light, or to go through wormholes in space, but it is far from certain that these things can ever actually be achieved. Interstellar travel may well be a practical impossibility.
Another thing which makes me doubtful is the reports that a spaceship crashed here. Not entirely impossible but highly unlikely. A couple of decades ago we landed succesfully on the moon. How believable is it that a civilization so much more technically advanced than us that they have mastered travelling to the stars would fail a simple landing?
If aliens really had been here, especially as often as all the UFO sightings and abduction stories suggest, I think we would know about it. It would be very difficult for any government to hide all those visits.
You talk about this Roswell thing and a baloon? Again that is just another GOV. cover-up!
You dont think that there is another life out there in those trrrrriiiiilllliiiiooooonnnnnssssss of miles away that has better tech. then us? WOW we must have some pretty great tech. like a microwave perhaps....no.
LOL yes we did land on the moon BUT that doesnt mean anything. I mean you are trying to say something here that just plain makes you look retarded. I mean think about it. We have tried to go to space many times and have crashed trying. Who says they cant crash too? I mean your trying to say there PERFECT! I think they do have better tech then us but I would have to be retarded to say there perfect. I mean we made cars, and airplanes as well......BUT we have crashed in those too. I mean its called a MISTAKE. It could happen to anyone including them. Tech. has nothing to do with a simple mistake. They may have created this great tech. but who says that those little alien dudes cant accidently crash once in a while? I mean we crash our planes and cars nearly 10000 times a day! For them to only crash once is pretty good seems how we crash a lot more.
Yeah your right about the alien sightings and abductions. But like many people in our day and age. THEY LIE. Everyone lies. I believe all those stories are BS. None of them ever pass a polygraph test. Or have proof. I think there just looking for attention.
Well people lets see what kind of grief you have to give me now...
sleights said this in post #8 : You talk about this Roswell thing and a baloon? Again that is just another GOV. cover-up!
Like I said, this is what apparently happened and it is still very much debated. I'm not going to get into that debate, but I will say this: the explanation is plausible enough that you can't just shrug it off by saying "that's what they want you to think!", you need something to support that claim. And I'm sure there are arguments to support it. The debate will go on.
You dont think that there is another life out there in those trrrrriiiiilllliiiiooooonnnnnssssss of miles away that has better tech. then us? WOW we must have some pretty great tech. like a microwave perhaps....no.
Where did I say that?
LOL yes we did land on the moon BUT that doesnt mean anything. I mean you are trying to say something here that just plain makes you look retarded. I mean think about it. We have tried to go to space many times and have crashed trying. Who says they cant crash too? I mean your trying to say there PERFECT! I think they do have better tech then us but I would have to be retarded to say there perfect. I mean we made cars, and airplanes as well......BUT we have crashed in those too. I mean its called a MISTAKE. It could happen to anyone including them. Tech. has nothing to do with a simple mistake. They may have created this great tech. but who says that those little alien dudes cant accidently crash once in a while? I mean we crash our planes and cars nearly 10000 times a day! For them to only crash once is pretty good seems how we crash a lot more.
Who says they can't crash too? Not me. Like I said it is possible, just very unlikely. Travelling to another planet is a massive undertaking and I think anyone doing it would prepare for every eventuality. With their advanced technology they still made a mistake or were surprised by something, sounds very sloppy for a mission of such magnitude. Don't they have a force field or something to protect them from a possible crash? I didn't say this proves anything, it's just one thing that makes me doubt the aliens. I don't think it's that retarded.
Yeah your right about the alien sightings and abductions. But like many people in our day and age. THEY LIE. Everyone lies. I believe all those stories are BS. None of them ever pass a polygraph test. Or have proof. I think there just looking for attention.
Well people lets see what kind of grief you have to give me now...
Sorry, didn't mean to give you grief. I was just Answeing Kookaburra's post, saying that she may be right, and answering HECK's original question as well. Just giving my opinion.
The fact that there is so much controvery surrounding UFO's confirms their existance to me. Governments worldwide keep their mouths pretty tightly shut when it comes to UFO talk.
And if that isn't enough.... UFO's have been documented since the start of written history, all the way back to cave paintings by ancient humans.
I do believe the government is covering up all these UFO sightings. Furthermore I do believe that there are many people who does not want to believe in other life in a different world so they convince theirsevles that the Government is right. Right now I am wondering if we as humans would reconize another life form if it does not look like or similar to us. Who knows what other life is like out there. Does it look like earth or does it look like something outer a scifi movie. Or maybe something totally different than what we humans are used to.
Hatchjaw Im not going into the baloon thing as well, that can be debated for years. As for the Life forms trillions of miles away, I never said you said anything about that did I? There was a reason i put a "?" after the statement, I was asking a Q, sometimes "?" mean that. Yes I know you never said they couldnt crash, I was just trying to make you better undertsand, that they could, and it is very likely. Like I said they crashed once, we crash nearly 1000000 times a day, in our cars/planes/etc. When I said "I wonder how much grief Im gonna get" I was talknig about everyone in general not just you. Theres your answers buddy! Anyway, heres some stuff to think about...
WHY I THINK UFO'S EXIST!
1.) Roswell has over 90 troops guarding Roswell day and night everyday.
2.) Not even the President himself is allowed through the gates of Roswell.
3.) A website featured pictures of the incident, hours later the site was shut down by the gov.
4.) Space goes on for MILLIONS/TRILLIONS/#'s we dont even have names for yet, of miles, why wouldnt there be another life form out there, beside us?
5.) A worker at Roswell came out and gave a documentary on what he had to work on when he was there...
DOCUMENTARY: He stated... Roswell is always refferred to by the government as "Military Ground" That is all lies. Roswell is nothing like Military, they test no weapons or crafts. He also stated that he used to know a man that jokingly said he was going to tell the U.S. about UFO's and what they had (as a joke) Just for saying that he was beat by troops/gov. that work at Roswell.
He went on about all this other stuff as well, but what I stated was the most important things he said.
Well think about that, get back to me about this theory again, when you have time of course! Word to ya mutha!
Well I've read it and thought about it and I have to say I still don't believe U.F.O.'s have crashed here or even visited us. First, about the Roswell stuff you listed.
I'd really like to see those claims backed up by information from a reliable news source. Some of it, especially the one about the site being taken down, seem like internet legends to me. But even if they are all true, none of it actually proves that aliens have crashed here. Troops guarding Roswell, president not allowed there? Doesn't necessarily mean U.F.O.'s does it? There can conceivably be a number of other things than aliens to make the government act like this. The website with pictures taken down? The pictures could show, instead of aliens, something else that the government wants to keep secret. The guy who talked about Roswell, well all he said was that it isn't military ground. The only mention of U.F.O.'s is what he tells another guy has jokingly said. I'd hardly call this conclusive proof.
Now, about aliens. There are countless stars out there and it's starting to look like there are countless planets as well. So it's natural, albeit not scientific, to assume that there is life out there too. But what kind of life? I recall reading that for complicated lifeforms to evolve the planet must be pretty ideally located. The earth is the right distance from the sun, not too hot, not too cold. Also there's something about gravitational pull, we're just in the right place so that we don't have extreme weather conditions tearing the ecosystem apart. And so on. Even with these requirements I think it's likely that there are more than enough planets where complicated life may arise.
But what kind of life? It is by no means certain that where there's complicated lifeforms there will be intelligent ones. Intelligence is not the aim of evolution. All evolution means is that the most suitable will survive, and intelligence (or self awareness or whatever you want to call it, I'm sure you know what I mean) doesn't seem to be that important for survival. After all, during the hundreds of millions of years out of millions and millions of species on our planet, only one has developed intelligence, us. Thinking about it, it seems that intelligent life is not the likeliest of things. But still, it's possible that out of the planets suitable for life some have intelligent life. But I'd say that the odds on that are not overwhelming.
And if intelligent life does exist elsewhere it doesn't necessarily mean that they want to travel to the stars. Although I think many would. On some planets the intelligent life may be creatures resembling dinosaurs, unable to build spaceships even if they wanted to. And so on, you get my point: even if there are thinking beings out there it's not certain that they are trying to visit us.
Even they are, can they? Out of all the billions of stars and planets, how do they know which ones have life? Or do they just visit all of them? Even if they for some reason actually do want to come right to our sun and planet, there's still the problem of getting here. As far as we know it's theoretically possible to travel interstellar distances without taking millions of years to do it, but to create the kind of circumstances that can make it happen may be impossible. If it is possible and someone can do it they'd need to have incredible techonolgy. Which brings me to my earlier point of the likelihood of them crashing.
Yes, we crash all the time here on earth, and some of our ventures into space have been disastrous too. But the aliens with their incredible technology doing it on a mission they have certainly been preparing for? Now I know that better tech does not equal less mistakes, but when you're on such an incredible high level as to make interstellar travel possible, I'd imagine it's pretty foolproof. Plus on their way to such high tech they've had plenty of time to learn from their mistakes. So a crash under those cirumstances, while still possible of course, is very very improbable.
I don't know what the odds are for each of the things I've mentioned, But I'm pretty certain that when you add them all up the probability of aliens having crashed here is staggeringly small. When the proof I've seen so far- which is debatable at best- is put against a claim so wildly unlikely, I cannot in all honesty say: "Yes, I do believe aliens have visited us and even crashed." I know it's possible of course, and am open to the idea, but with all the things I've mentioned I'm gonna need some pretty solid evidence before I'm going to believe it.
If you're robbing a bank and your pants fall down, I think it's okay to laugh and to let the hostages laugh too, because, come on, life is funny.
Sorry I ddnt read your whole post, I had to go and it was long. But I already gave the website address out, so theres one source, you may be able to find it on other sites by typing the address I gave as I did. The guard thingy, it wasnt it was around 200, "190" was the exact umber given. I have Direct TV, and theres a lot of channels that feature stuff like this. I couldnt give the channel I found the documentary on. As for your post on "Theres not many planets" Sorry, I dont want to go up and copy exactly what you said, to lazy. But anyway, we have our basic planets we know of, that we all learned in 5th and 6th grade, correct? Well there are many more that we have found since then. There are many that we have discovered, just not in our galaxy. So we can cut that reply. Its also another good point you have brought up for me, I mean with these other planets, there may be life? Maybe theres a life in every galaxy. I mean why would there be more planets in other galaxy's? These planets couldnt be reached by the tech. we currently have, or studied I dont believe at this point. But its another thing to add to my list of reasons I think theres UFO's. But hey, you may be right as well, maybe theres no UFO's. Maybe when you go to heaven or hell, if you even believe that, then you can ask god... lol. Just a suggestion. Well anyway, see ya! Word to ya mutha!
Yeah, sorry about the post being a bit long. I put the website address into google and the only results I got were the site itself, which is a "page cannot be displayed" and this thread. But it could still be true, I guess. But like I said, all the things you mentioned could be true and it still doesn't necessarily mean U.F.O.'s. And I need some pretty undisputable proof before I can believe it. About the planets, I think you misread. I didn't say that there aren't many of them. I said: "There are countless stars out there and it's starting to look like there are countless planets as well". So I do think there's lots of 'em. The rest of that post explains why I think aliens coming here is very unlikely even though there are lots of planets.
Ask God... haha! Don't believe in that either but if it's true then it is. I'd probably be too flabbergasted to ask. "Wow, so you do exist! You really had me fooled with the dinosaur fossils and everything. So this hell thingy...is it gonna hurt?" But I hope that's not the only way of finding out. It's one of my biggest dreams that we find a sign of intelligent life out there.
If you're robbing a bank and your pants fall down, I think it's okay to laugh and to let the hostages laugh too, because, come on, life is funny.
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