Jon Benet Ramsey who was so brutally murdered and the family put through hell with accusations of their guilt in this heinous
case. has come up with a new DNA analysis going on at this time.
New equipment has appeared which will tell us once and for all the real killer. Some DNA blood samples have been removed from her clothing and show it belongs to a male person Not a family member.
Almost at the same time The Ramsey's have filed a multimillion dollar lawsuit against Fox news for articles implementing the Ramsey's as the culprit
Jon Benet Ramsey was the little six year old Beauty Queen who was killed in her home by person or persons unknown.
There was a lot of controversy that the Father or the Mother were the guilty person.
They moved , finally as no new clues came forward and they became victims of the press. They now live in Atlanta.
aka deltacent aka deltater
Life may not be the party I had hoped for.......
But while I'm here I might just as well listen to the music and dance..
Delta, just curious........ what is your take on that case? Do you believe the parents were involved in any way with Jon Benet's murder?
Its kind of interesting in a way, the similarities with Scott Peterson. and by that i mean only circumstantial evidence, the behaviors of the parents, etc. i never really made up my mind whether or not her parents were involved. i just find it very tragic that whoever the guilty person is has not been brought to justice. if this is true, what you have posted, and they can truly find the guilty party, i think that is absolutely wonderful, to say the least.
let me just clarify, i did not intend to imply that there was only circumstantial evidence in that case, i know that obviously with a body that was found soon after the murder there was a lot of physical evidence. i only meant to imply the amount of circumstantial evidence againts the parents was pretty powerful, or at least the media wanted us to believe so.
In the beginning I thought Mrs Ramsey was guilty...but as time went on I began to believe she was innocent.....
I am thrilled to see there has been some progress, although Im saddened to see it took this long....especially when DNA has been around long enough to have gotten this much sooner.
Saddest part of all is that the Ramsey's lives have been turned upside down from this case....and they will never get that life back.
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
When it first happened... I swore that the family was all in on this!
As time went by, I felt that, less and less.
Now, I just don't know... they could have, or, they could be completely innocent!
:::>^..^<::: ~*~The Journey is more important than the end or the start~*~ :::>^..^<:::
Jon Benet was a lovely little girl who participated in all the beauty pageants. ( I disagree with this right off)
Sometime during the Christmas holidays the parents discovered her mutilated body in a room , like a rathskeller, tied up and bloody. They discovered her early in the morning, but did't call the police until hours later.
There was a ransom note left on the huge stairs.
The police began directing their investigation on this letter and determined that it was one of the parents.
For months that was all we heard and believed. No forced entry was ever found so the DA assumed it was one of the parents.
The media were like a school of sharks.
The Ramsey's even took a lie detector test.
When this tragedy began the Ramsey's were Millionaires, but by the time they spent all their money defending themselves.
The most important thing is that everyone felt the Ramsey's had done it, down to the lurid molestation of this beautiful child.
With the evidence or lack of it the Ramsey's stayed out of Jail.
It was too painful to stay in their home, so they up and left.
Moved to Atlanta.
Now 6 years later the DA has come up with a DNA sample which proves it was not a member of the family( some blood 0n her tiny clothes) DNA has progressed far enough to pick up now that which was not available ;during the murder.
In my personal opinion, no way could these people who daunted on this child have been guilty of such a heinous crime, my heart went out for them , watching the press constantly in their face.
It was a pitiful case of over Kill.
I don't believe this is in any way similar to the Petersen Murder.
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aka deltacent aka deltater
Life may not be the party I had hoped for.......
But while I'm here I might just as well listen to the music and dance..
D.........
i totally respect your opinions, but wouldnt you agree that even someone who "daunts" over their child could lose it too?
im not sure if i believe in guilt or innocence with the ramseys. but i do find it odd that mr. ramsey would just happen to wander into a part of the basement where no one ever goes and stumble upon his murdered baby girl. i find it odd that as much time went by as what did before the police was called. i find it odd that with all of the security on that house there was no forced entry ever found. it seems much too convenient to me.
i would like to think, however, that this family is completely innocent. it is very ugly to think these parents could have actually harmed this precious little girl.
lets hope this new dna evidence will prove something.
Hey for LONG TIME I was against the Ramseys, but it became apparent that they had nothing to hide. The police put that family thru hell and couldn't come up with anything , The entiee country was against them.
I hope now they will have some closure and they sue the city for wronful allegations.
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aka deltacent aka deltater
Life may not be the party I had hoped for.......
But while I'm here I might just as well listen to the music and dance..
That is the one thing that keeps me in check with the Ramsey's. the police never had enough to make an arrest. but then, i have to ask myself...... are they guilty and just kept the crime clean enough not to get caught or did the police have the wrong guy.
sometimes when i think about the case, i think if they were guilty would they have really left the body in the house? but then, if there was a guilty person outside of the home, would they go through the trouble of writing a ramson note for a body they left inside the house.
i have often wondered if their boy had something to do with it, and though they loved their daughter tremendously, couldnt bear to see their son go down and so they were protecting him.
have you given that idea much weight??
where did you read this news initially? i have been kind of out of it for the past week, no cnn or anything. christmas got me a bit behind on the news.
defensive said this in post #9 : That is the one thing that keeps me in check with the Ramsey's. the police never had enough to make an arrest. but then, i have to ask myself...... are they guilty and just kept the crime clean enough not to get caught or did the police have the wrong guy.
sometimes when i think about the case, i think if they were guilty would they have really left the body in the house? but then, if there was a guilty person outside of the home, would they go through the trouble of writing a ramson note for a body they left inside the house.
i have often wondered if their boy had something to do with it, and though they loved their daughter tremendously, couldnt bear to see their son go down and so they were protecting him.
have you given that idea much weight??
I had forgotten about the Ramsey case and that poor little girl...since she was found in the house...in a secret area...I am of a mind that somebody in the family is involved...I agree with your idea that the son did it. I have no proof of course...but that little girl didnt kill heself..and the parents are covering for him
I had forgotten about the Ramsey case and that poor little girl...since she was found in the house...in a secret area...I am of a mind that somebody in the family is involved...I agree with your idea that the son did it. I have no proof of course...but that little girl didnt kill heself..and the parents are covering for him
If the DNA shows that it wasnt from a family member....then it wasnt from the son (he is after all a family member)
You forget that there were footprints found outside the home that belonged to none fo them either....
Does it seem that out of the ordinary that a stranger killed her...A stranger abducted Liz Smart, and look what her parents went through at first also....
The Ramsey's took lie detector tests, and they passed all of them...they did everything the police asked them to do.
Finally, after changing their minds several times, Boulder police announced that they would take John and Patsy Ramsey up on their offer to take polygraph tests and agreed to the Ramseys' terms that the tests be conducted by an independent expert in Atlanta and have the results made public.
The planned tests later stalled when the BPD accused the Ramseys of changing the criteria for the tests when they refused to allow an FBI polygraph examiner to conduct the tests as they did not consider them as "independent experts" under the terms of the agreement, and believed that the agency's involvement in the case precluded them from conducting an impartial examination. They also raised concerns that the Boulder police had not agreed to the public release of the test results. That stipulation was later removed.
The disagreements over the tests continued into May with John and Patsy Ramsey appearing on CNN's Burden of Proof program to describe how they had "come up with some names of individuals that are pre-eminent in their field of polygraphy" and had submitted them to Boulder police only to have the police reject them all in favor of an FBI examiner.
The Ramseys later proposed that Edward Gelb, a Los Angeles-based polygraph expert, conduct their lie detector tests because he had "earned a national reputation for fairness" but the Boulder police continued to insist on the FBI. The Ramseys selected Gelb, a past president of the American Polygraph Association, from 2,400 other examiners because he was the most experienced, having conducted more than 30,000 lie detector tests in the previous 30 years and had been an instructor to both the FBI and the Department of Defense. The Boulder police again rejected the proposal.
Several days later, Richard Keifer, the chairman of the American Polygraph Association announced that the group was willing to provide a qualified examiner and expert to administer the test with the same kind of quality control used by the FBI. Keifer said a lie detector test conducted by his group would be fair to both sides. "If they agree to take the polygraph and have us administer it, we will administer it in an independent fashion and make the final decision of who the examiner will be," he said. "We'll give consideration to both sides."
The Ramsey's attorney agreed saying: "The Ramseys would do it if it would help move the investigation forward, not because they felt they had a responsibility to prove their innocence but if Beckner doesn't sign on, they're taking all the risk and receiving no benefit." He added that in his opinion, the Boulder police were insisting on using the FBI to give the agency a chance to grill the Ramseys. Keifer, who once headed the FBI polygraph unit, confirmed that the FBI interrogates people who flunk the test. "They get a lot of confessions," he said. On May 16, Boulder police officially rejected Keifer's offer.
Within days of rejecting the offer, the Boulder police announced that they had found no evidence to support a California woman's theory that JonBenet Ramsey was killed by a child sex ring. "We concluded there is no evidence to support her claims," said Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner. "We looked at her allegations to see if there was any connection at all to the Ramsey case, and we could not find any."
He said Boulder detectives had spent 11 weeks investigating the claims and conducted 22 interviews, including interviews with the woman. They also reviewed medical and psychological records, examined photographs, consulted a forensic psychiatrist and compared the claims against the physical evidence they had collected from the scene. He added that all the information the woman provided about the operation of a child sex ring had been forwarded to the FBI. Special Prosecutor Michael Kane later backed up Beckner's statement saying there was "no credible evidence to link anything she alleges to the death of JonBenet."
On May 24, John and Patsy Ramsey underwent lie-detector tests conducted by Ed Gelb and announced that the findings had cleared them of any involvement in their daughters death. The Boulder police immediately countered calling the tests a "publicity campaign," reiterating that only a law enforcement agency could give a reliable result as an independent examiner would have to review the thousands of pages of evidence and interviews in the case file to be able to conduct a valid test which would be difficult as much of that information, including results of evidentiary testing, still remains secret.
The Ramseys replied by offering to allow the police or District Attorney Alex Hunter to question the Ramseys' examiner about the testing procedures and his examination of them. They did not receive a reply.
Gelb's findings were later reviewed and confirmed by Cleve Baxter, founder of the Central Intelligence Agency's polygraph unit and creator of polygraph scoring techniques considered industry standards. The Ramseys were given what are known as "single-issue examinations," where all questions in a test are designed to mean the same thing. Each test took two to three hours. Gelb insists that the results cannot be affected by drugs, so no screening was done. Robert Lee, the director of operations for Axciton Systems, which makes the computerized polygraph instrument used by Gelb, also attested to the tests accuracy, rating them as 97-98 percent accurate.
In the first test the Ramseys were asked the following:
Did you inflict any of the injuries that caused the death of JonBenet?
Regarding JonBenet, did you inflict any of the injuries that caused her death?
Were those injuries that resulted in JonBenet's death inflicted by you?
In the second test they were asked:
Do you know for sure who killed JonBenet?
Regarding JonBenet, do you know for sure who killed her?
Are you concealing the identity of the person who killed JonBenet?
Patsy Ramsey was also given an additional test specifically about the ransom note:
Did you write the ransom note that was found in your house?
Regarding the ransom note, did you write it?
Is that your handwriting on the ransom note found in your house?
The examiner's final conclusion:
"Based on extensive polygraph examination, neither John nor Patsy Ramsey were attempting deception when they gave answers to the relevant questions."
The official police response?
"The findings of the tests are not valid as they were not conducted by the FBI."
The test was done by an ex-FBI agent, who would never compromise his position to state otherwise, and they passed...regardless of what the boulder police stated then, they didnt want to admit they screwed this whole thing up.
Saturday, December 27, 2003
L. Lyn Wood, an attorney for the family in Atlanta, where the Ramseys now live, said he was told about the development recently by Mary Keenan, the Boulder district attorney, who took control of the case last December from the Boulder Police Department.
"The DNA was never pursued by the Boulder PD in terms of tying to get it into any state or national databank," Wood said.
One of the 2 drops of blood that were on the garment was tested early in the investigation, but was not of sufficient quality to be placed in data banks. But the DNA from the second spot is "of sufficient quality" to be added to the agency's Combined DNA Index System, Wood said.
"They had to spend some time, probably months, to get that DNA sample up to the qualifications to be submitted to the national databank," Wood said.
Earlier blood tests showed the sample was from a male who was unrelated to the Ramseys , said Wood, who added that neither he nor the Ramseys planned to suggest that the DNA of anyone in particular be compared with the sample.
"We don't feel like we have to tell them who to test. We feel like they will take all the necessary steps to thoroughly investigate all possible suspects and credible leads."
Bill Nagel, who reports to Keenan, said in a telephone interview that he would not comment. "It's been our policy for a good while not to respond to inquiries about the Ramsey case," he said. "That's something we just stick to consistently."
Wood said the Boulder police had not properly pursued the lead, because they felt a Ramsey household member carried out the crime. "They actually spent money and time trying to come up with an innocent explanation for the presence of that DNA," he said. "Any objective investigation into this child's murder would have focused on DNA."
A spokeswoman for the Boulder police did not immediately return a call
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
If I understand correctly, the DNA is from semen found in Jon Benet's underpants. Would Burke, as young as he was, age 9 wasn't it, have semen?
But, like Mystic said, if it's not the DNA of a family member, then it's not Burke, either. Let's just hope and pray that whoever did it has his/her DNA in a bank somewhere.
It's cases like this that make mandatory DNA sampling look tempting.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (New Testament, King James version)
12-29-2003 08:12 PM
