This article from an interview with Jeff Probst is an "old" one ... from before the show started. I don't know if you have read it ... but I thought maybe at this point we could discuss/speculate on the so-called "Big Lie" etc.
What is the lie, who tells it, has it happened yet, etc. ?
So ... first read it, if you haven't already, and then maybe we can do a little arm-chair analysis.
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Survivor Lie Fools Probst, Fuels New Season
(Wednesday, September 17 05:18 PM)
By Rick Porter
LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) -
After six turns as the host of "Survivor," Jeff Probst pretty much knows his job cold. Every now and then, though, something on the show catches him by surprise. That happened during his stint off the coast of Panama for "Survivor: Pearl Islands," the seventh edition of the game, which premieres at 8 p.m. ET Thursday (Sept. 18) on CBS. For a time, he says he fell for "the greatest lie ever told on 'Survivor.' ""It's brilliant. It's brutal and it's brilliant and it totally suckered me," says Probst, who, naturally, won't divulge who told the lie or what its ramifications were. "My first reaction was 'Motherf----r,' and then my second reaction was 'Wow, that's amazing.' "
The fantastic fib would seem to fit well with the overall theme of "Pearl Islands," which is piracy. The two tribes are called Drake and Morgan, after two English pirates (Sir Francis Drake and Capt. Henry Morgan) who sacked Spanish forts in the 16th and 17th centuries. Probst says working with that theme helped keep the show fresh for him and the crew this time."That was the creative box we worked in," he says. "[We were thinking] what would pirates do, how do we set them adrift, how do we do a mutiny, who can we make walk the plank.
"The duplicity started right away. The 16 players were told to dress for a publicity photo while on the boat to their destination. Instead, though, Probst informed them that they'd be setting up camp with only the clothes they were wearing."It's not a huge twist in a sense, because it's just clothes," he says. "But it spins the game so differently from the beginning and puts them in a different mindset of being resourceful."
The two tribes were also given 100 Balboas -- the equivalent of $100 -- to buy supplies in a small village before being taken to their camps. They could also barter using the few items of clothing they had with them."What's interesting is one tribe comes out of there like they just robbed Fort Knox -- they have every thing," Probst says. "The other tribe comes out with not much more than when they went in. In fact, these idiots go back to camp with cash in hand. ... That's what makes the show still fascinating, is 'What are they thinking?'
"Because "Survivor" was essentially the starting point for the current glut of unscripted series, and because it's delivered consistently to a loyal audience, Probst thinks the show can outlive its newer, lesser spawn."I can see fatigue setting in with reality [shows], without question, because there's a lot of crap out there," he says.
"Do I think it will affect 'Survivor'? No I don't. ... I think we're going to be around, I think 'American Idol' will be around, I think 'The Bachelor' will be around. Because they all touch on something, either fulfilling a dream or finding love or, in 'Survivor,' the adventure. "To make sure of that, though, the show's producers will keep coming up with new wrinkles.
Probst promises more than just a grandiose lie by one of the players this time around."There's ... a very, very regrettable event that happens, and the person to whom it happens is going to regret it ... more than they have any idea right now," he says. "I couldn't believe it when it happened, and I can't wait for it to play out.
"There's also a huge twist to come that this time next year we'll be talking about, and you'll have an opinion on whether you loved or hated it."
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Well that's it. What do you think ?
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly,what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Hm... who knows!! Interesting article that you found, OBAF. Thanks for posting that on here.
He said that there is a very regrettable moment. Who knows... I know that something is going to happen next week, where Christa is accused of sabatoging the food supply. Did she do it? We don't know. But, is that what their talking about? It could be anything. They definately keep this show interesting.
:::>^..^<::: ~*~The Journey is more important than the end or the start~*~ :::>^..^<:::
So we know ... in Probst's veteran opinion it's "the greatest lie ever told on 'Survivor." His opinion is it's "brilliant, and brutal" and SO brilliant that it fooled Probst.
We don't know ... who told the lie or what its ramifications were/are
and
that JP had a potty-mouth first reaction ... 'Motherf----r,' and then thought it was " amazing".
From this comment below we know he thinks the Morgans are idiots
" The other tribe comes out with not much more than when they went in. In fact, these idiots go back to camp with cash in hand."
But we don't know for sure ...
if that's a subtle clue that the brutal brilliance comes from the Drake side.
Then we have JP's promise
of
"more than just a grandiose lie by one of the players"
and
"a very, very regrettable event that happens" with the person to whom it happens really regretting it.
But we don't know for sure
how or even if that ties into or is part of this big, brilliant, brutal, amazing lie.
We know JP is disbelievingly but gleefully rubbing his hands together
"I couldn't believe it when it happened, and I can't wait for it to play out."
We can also presume that
The big lie is probably NOT the returning Outcast twist because of this comment.
"There's also a huge twist to come that this time next year we'll be talking about, and you'll have an opinion on whether you loved or hated it."
Now THIS type of puzzle really intrigues me. How about you all ?
-- Could the women have been in a secret alliance all along ?
-- maybe even with Lil at the helm given her Morgan origins and thus a tie to T & D ?
-- Is Sandra secretly in a take-each-other-to-the-end alliance with Jon ?
-- Has someone pre-agreed to play the game to somehow tilt the jury and split the loot ?
But that kind of stuff doesn't fit with the "the greatest lie ever told on 'Survivor.'" thing ... unless by "great" JP means the best or most devious lie.
But how can it be brilliant, brutal and regretable ?
Is it something "big" that is yet to happen ?
or someone fibbing about their background ... like Lil is really on parole from prison and not a scoutmaster ...
C'mon ! You are all brilliant ... help ! What do you think ?
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly,what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Originally posted by KJ Hm... who knows!! Interesting article that you found, OBAF. Thanks for posting that on here.
He said that there is a very regrettable moment. Who knows... I know that something is going to happen next week, where Christa is accused of sabatoging the food supply. Did she do it? We don't know. But, is that what their talking about? It could be anything. They definately keep this show interesting.
I read an article a loooong time ago ... maybe early September ... in the TV Guide that profiled the S7 cast before the show.
It said something about Christa killing a Pelican for food -- hit it with a rock or something -- but that Pelicans are inedible because they carry some parasites or diseases ?
I thought the shot of the Pelican last night was some foreshadowing of that, and the fact that with Rupe gone they would need a food source, etc. ?
However ... I also seem to recall that the article indicated Rupert was still there when Christa killed the Pelican ... so maybe that already happened but the producers just decided not to show that ... I certainly woudn't have wanted to see the poor thing needlessly and brutally killed ... and we know PETA would go wild.
Anyway ... I usually save TV Guides with profiles or season schedules but I can't find this one.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly,what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I bet this lie happens next week. Remember the previews for next week where they were all stunned by something? Also, Jon receives devestating news about something. Perhaps someone lied about a death or a tragic accident in his family?
I dunno.
The looks on their faces were pretty alarming, so I bet it happens next week.
There is NO WAY that the producers, or anyone behind the scenes would just make something up about Jon's family. And, no one on the show, castaways, would have any idea. Who knows... maybe they deliver bad news to him... that's what it looks like. Anyway... the "big lie" could be at any time. I guess that we will just have to wait and see. Hmmmmmmm
:::>^..^<::: ~*~The Journey is more important than the end or the start~*~ :::>^..^<:::
Originally posted by Kookaburra I bet this lie happens next week. Remember the previews for next week where they were all stunned by something? Also, Jon receives devestating news about something. Perhaps someone lied about a death or a tragic accident in his family?
I dunno.
The looks on their faces were pretty alarming, so I bet it happens next week.
quote:
Originally posted by KJ There is NO WAY that the producers, or anyone behind the scenes would just make something up about Jon's family. And, no one on the show, castaways, would have any idea. Who knows... maybe they deliver bad news to him... that's what it looks like. Anyway... the "big lie" could be at any time. I guess that we will just have to wait and see. Hmmmmmmm
I agree that the producers would not be in collusion with Jon to deliver some false news. But could Jon the Jerk have pre-arranged some ruse with a friend or family member that ends up being a lie ?
I agree with Kooka that the big lie is coming very soon.
I am now definitely leaning toward wondering if the lie may be tied in with the supposed food sabotage and the accusation against Christa.
Destroying or "losing" the fishing spear and accusing Christa would be certainly be brutal and evily brilliant. But what if someone hides the spear, Christa gets booted, and when they go back to look for it ... it is missing or destroyed and they, including the perpetrator regret it ?
You know what ? I think I may be too honest to think of possible and plausible big lie scenarios
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly,what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
When Lil turned on Rupert,. I said thats it. This program has gotten evil. ts supposed to be a game of surviving. The outcasts were voted out for a reason. Now to have them back and running the show makes me sick.
Who cares what LIE they are dreaming up. They already knocked off the most interesting person on the island, and He shouldn't' have been the one to go. Not at this time.
That stupid Lil has nothing to offer but her vote, so I guess thats the important thing. Scoutmaster, Phooey! More like a dizzy leaf in the wind.
All that talking about her feelings of guilt but all the while gobbling
the breakfast down.
I don't remember any tribe in the past that didn't sneak some food back to their mates.
I truly can't think of anything worse then getting Rupert off the island.
And now I don't care.
There is not one person I want to see win, or that I would think deserves to be numero uno.
D
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aka deltacent aka deltater
Life may not be the party I had hoped for.......
But while I'm here I might just as well listen to the music and dance..
Originally posted by Delta When Lil turned on Rupert,. I said thats it. This program has gotten evil. ts supposed to be a game of surviving. The outcasts were voted out for a reason. Now to have them back and running the show makes me sick.
Who cares what LIE they are dreaming up. They already knocked off the most interesting person on the island, and He shouldn't' have been the one to go. Not at this time.
That stupid Lil has nothing to offer but her vote, so I guess thats the important thing. Scoutmaster, Phooey! More like a dizzy leaf in the wind.
All that talking about her feelings of guilt but all the while gobbling
the breakfast down.
I don't remember any tribe in the past that didn't sneak some food back to their mates.
I truly can't think of anything worse then getting Rupert off the island.
And now I don't care.
There is not one person I want to see win, or that I would think deserves to be numero uno.
D
I know what you mean, Delta ... but I am still interested to see how they "survive" now that the real Survivor Rupert is absent. I can't help hoping that the big "regret" is everyone's -- and that the regret is booting Rupert.
One thing about this show, and the "reality" of it is that sadly, this type of thing happens in real life. Hence cliche's such as "Nice guys finish last." People are hooked on the show for many reasons, and I think can learn something from it.
There are some things I find distasteful.
I don't like that the accepted, even favored and winning strategy seems to be to lie. Some manipulation of circumstances or euphemising may be permissable, but flat out lies and going back on one's word are despicable.
Example's are Lil's betrayal in the dark ... I would have excused her if she asked him to please not press her for
promises at this point or even just pretended she was sleeping ! And Burton's giving the reward to Jon was a kick in the groin. Not only had he PROMISED it to Rupert, but his privately stated reason was to make sure Rupert didn't get any additional nourishment ? Man ... I hope he gets his just rewards.
I absolutely want to scream at Lil. Her pose as the wacky, weapy, dis-oriented old broad does women a dis-service. Her putting forth that older-people-are-wierd persona of hers is disrespectful and it makes me sick. As for her revenge of the "odd duck" crap, sorry for the broken record, but I still say this is sending a terrible, and frightening message to young people.
Rupert has integrity and he played the game that way. It may have cost him a million dollars in S7, but he is definitely the "breakout" star of the show. Hopefully, he will have the opportunity to carry a message forward and it will all turn out well and perhaps even end up changing the tone of future Survivor shows.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly,what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I am with you all the way. I guess we have too much integrity for whats been going down on this show these last few weeks. Now they are advertising a more brutal lie. I think Jon gets the imunity award taken back. Nasty little potty mouth, lazy good for nothing kid. Rupert was the show!
Well its on Wednesday this week so we will see.
Sleep good.
Lata,
D
aka deltacent aka deltater
Life may not be the party I had hoped for.......
But while I'm here I might just as well listen to the music and dance..
'Big Lie' comes to 'Survivor'
By JOHN POWELL -- Jam! Showbiz
Though nobody is sure who takes home the million dollar prize, there is one 'Survivor' mystery that will finally be solved tonight. Since the very beginning of the 'Survivor: Pearl Islands' series, fans have puzzled and puzzled over a riddle unlike any other on the popular reality show series: Who tells the 'Big Lie'? All of the speculation will end as all is finally revealed on tonight's special Wednesday night broadcast.
The conjecture over the fib began back on September 17th when Zap2it.com published an interview with 'Survivor' host Jeff Probst.
Probst told reporter Rick Porter that he fell for "the greatest lie ever told on 'Survivor'".
"It's brilliant. It's brutal and it's brilliant and it totally suckered me," said Probst, who in hosting and helping produce 'Survivor' watches all of the dailies (the raw footage) while the series is being filmed to prepare for the Tribal Council meetings and to keep tabs on the tribal politics. "My first reaction was 'Motherf----r,' and then my second reaction was 'Wow, that's amazing.' "
Probst went on to tell other media sources that the lie leads to some serious regret on the part of the deceiver and that the other players won't even realize the truth of what happened until the episode airs.
In their own promo for the show, CBS states..."One tribe member dupes his fellow castaways with one of the most shocking lies ever told on 'Survivor'". With Burton and Jon being the only males left in the game, the "his" reference is of course a huge clue as to who the liar might be.
For months, fans have speculated on what the "Big Lie" (as it has become known) is and who is responsible for it. Here are the main theories that have been discussed over the last few months.
Osten was faking his poor performances during the challenges as part of a strategy not to be seen as a serious threat.
Lillian is not really a Scout Troop leader. She just dresses as one to illicit respect from her fellow players.
Burton Roberts is misleading people about his true identity. Burton Roberts is really contestant John Roberts from a previous edition of Burnett's other noteworthy series: 'Eco-Challenge'.
Jon is lying about his sexual orientation or the job he holds. He is really an indie pro-wrestler.
Jon and Sandra are in a secret alliance and deliberately staging arguments to fool the others.
The most likely choice amongst 'Survivor' fans though seems to be that the "Big Lie" happens after tonight's the family reward challenge. In the promo for the show, we learn that Jon ("Jonnie Fairplay") Dalton gets some "bad news" from home. In reality, Dalton could be fabricating a sob story about a phony death or illness in the family to play on the sympathies of the others. What nobody seems to be sure about though is whether the scheme is a spur of the moment concoction or was planned out well before Dalton ever stepped foot on the island.
Tonight's broadcast also marks another 'Survivor' first. Rumour has it that Jeff Probst goofs up during the Immunity Challenge and awards the sacred sword to the incorrect person. One or more of the players protest Probst's scoring of the challenge and realizing his mistake, Probst strips the person of Immunity. The challenge (some kind of Scrabble-like game) is then replayed to determine the true winner.
:::>^..^<::: ~*~The Journey is more important than the end or the start~*~ :::>^..^<:::
Originally posted by Kookaburra I bet this lie happens next week. Remember the previews for next week where they were all stunned by something? Also, Jon receives devestating news about something. Perhaps someone lied about a death or a tragic accident in his family?
Ohhhhhhhhhhh.... what an absolute JERK!! And then, in tribal council, to say... I wouldn't do anything to manipulate the game anymore. My priorities have changed!!! What a crapped!!
:::>^..^<::: ~*~The Journey is more important than the end or the start~*~ :::>^..^<:::
11-21-2003 08:34 PM
