I have wondered, is there any significance to Smith labelling the Oracle 'mum'?
At first I thought that this was just an allusion to the Oracle being the 'mother' of the matrix (as per the Architect in Reloaded) but then I had this thought. Each Smith replication retains the memories of the entity that the Smith version replicates over. Therefore, is this the Seraph entity labelling the Oracle as 'mum'?
Apart from the two possibilities that you mentioned, I think another possibility is that Smith was created by both the Architect and the Oracle, perhaps to counter Neo's powers in the present version of the Matrix. As such, the 'Ma' reference.
However, I think the most likely explanation is the reference to her as the 'mother' of the Matrix as you've pointed out.
The_Rebel
"The learning and knowledge that we have, is, at the most, but little compared with that of which we are ignorant" - Plato
Originally posted by The_Rebel Apart from the two possibilities that you mentioned, I think another possibility is that Smith was created by both the Architect and the Oracle, perhaps to counter Neo's powers in the present version of the Matrix. As such, the 'Ma' reference.
However, I think the most likely explanation is the reference to her as the 'mother' of the Matrix as you've pointed out.
The_Rebel
I had thought about this for a while.
Seraph's origins are never trully explained. That the Oracle created him to protect her of her own accord is something that I had always considered a possibility.
Originally posted by Melkor And as for the Merovingoian calling Seraph the 'prodigal son...'?
Is there any significance here?
The doormen of Hel also call Seraph 'wingless' in a deragatory manner, as does the Merovingian (in French)...
I am going to ponder this consider the significance...
The "prodigal son" is childrens Bible story, where the son "returns" to the father after abandoning him.
I believe Seraph is an angel.
Oracle: "Every time you've heard someone say they saw a ghost, or an angel. Every story you've ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens is the system assimilating some program that's doing something they're not supposed to be doing."
He was an exile brought back into the matrix by the Merovingian, and for some reason abandoned him, Maybe made a deal to trade his wings for something??
The "mom" part is just Smith being ironic, it has nothing to do with any philosofical things about the matrix:
Oracle: You are a bastard.
Smith: You would know, Mom.
I don't know if everybody knows the meaning of bastard, but when a child is born out of a legal marriage relation, it is called a bastard son, a son that was not wanted, maybe a son conceived by accident. With the "Mom" part, Smith is only returning the insult to the Oracle that called him bastard ... maybe if we change the word bastard for son of a b¡tch it will make more sense:
why cannot there be a phiolosophical meaning? I believe this particular dialog was meant to be both. A retort by Smith as well as a confirmation for all the unsure minds that the Oracle is the mother of the matrix.
"Every positive integer is one of Ramanujan's personal friends."—J. E. Littlewood.
I thoroughly agree. The majority of narrative in the matrix scripts has philosophical or religous implications, or serves to allude to something else that will happen in the fututre (or that has happened in the past)... Why should this line be different?
I thoroughly agree. The majority of narrative in the matrix scripts has philosophical or religous implications, or serves to allude to something else that will happen in the fututre (or that has happened in the past)... Why should this line be different?
11-18-2003 09:59 PM
