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In this country a child has to spend 8 hours/day 6 days a week on attending school and doing homework. It's pure worktime (without breaks of any kind and physical activity at school not included). The parents who care about future of their children often add private lessons.
This situation is extremely unhealthy for a child. Most children do some sport, but one sport develops a small part of body: legs or arms or else. And there's no time to take more sporting activity..
Does anybody experience such a problem or may propose a solution?


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I see by your profile you're in Russia. In the US, kids attend 5 days per week (Mon-Fri). Count yourself blessed to have kids dedicated to school.

You should see some of our talk shows at night who quiz adults on common knowledge. Kids and adults alike cannot name the US states, cannot name the presidents, or find a state on the map. They don't know about other countries, let alone their own.

Sorry but I'm not the right one to ask because I think the US is so far behind in schooling. The US is big on sports.. not academics.

One of my english tests consisted of football questions. My english teacher was also the football coach. His players were flunking and needed to maintain a C average in order to play sports, so, he made sure they passed.

Also, a lot of time in school is spent in breaks for elementary kids. They have recess, gym, lunch, study hall and who knows what else now.

I can't imagine kids going through 8 hours of school without any breaks. How on earth do you maintain their attention span that long?


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I see by your profile you're in Russia. In the US, kids attend 5 days per week (Mon-Fri). Count yourself blessed to have kids dedicated to school.

You should see some of our talk shows at night who quiz adults on common knowledge. Kids and adults alike cannot name the US states, cannot name the presidents, or find a state on the map. They don't know about other countries, let alone their own.


In the opposite, back to Soviet school we learned so much unnecessary information:
- methods of manufacturing of nitrogen fertilizer, sulphuric acid, several methods of steel production, etc.
- I don't think our girls ever got the operation principles of the combustion engine, oscillatory circuit - but they knew the formulae to solve problems.
- Most adults don't remember mathematical analysis, if engineering isn't their job.

In the result, when starting adult life a kid forgets most of these. It's "overturned bucket" condition - an exam is passed, and everything is forgotten. (Of course, it may be recalled, if necessary).

I think a specialisation should be done, but when you have a 10-12 y.o. kid it's rather difficult to choose the future occupation for him.

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I can't imagine kids going through 8 hours of school without any breaks. How on earth do you maintain their attention span that long?

Of course, no. I meant total work time hours. Schoolchildren have 5-6-7 lessons of 45 mins with 10-15 min long breaks between them and a longer break between some two lessons for lunch. After school there is homework to do.


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There are some schools where children are to attend 5 times/week - they generally have more lessons a day.

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I went back to college some years back to finish up my degree. I was shocked that these kids that were 6 to 8 years younger than myself could not diagram a sentence. They had no idea what the state capitals were, or where countries were for that matter. These kids were given more homework in school than my generation, yet they were so far behind. I think they need to look at what they are spending their time teaching. Kids should not have hours of homework every night. They need to be kids. Just my thoughts.

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I went back to college some years back to finish up my degree. I was shocked that these kids that were 6 to 8 years younger than myself could not diagram a sentence. They had no idea what the state capitals were, or where countries were for that matter. These kids were given more homework in school than my generation, yet they were so far behind. I think they need to look at what they are spending their time teaching. Kids should not have hours of homework every night. They need to be kids. Just my thoughts.




My son is in Kindergarten and they have him doing book reports already.....I mean he can read pretty well and he can write semi okay, but book reports in kindergarten? Some of the kids arent even close to reading yet....I dont get it.

My friends daughter is in second grade and her daughter has about an hours worth of homework a night....thats pretty much for a second grader....and its bad enough that they (her daughter and my son go to the same school) dont get out of school until 4 pm....by the time you get them home, get dinner started, eat dinner, and do homework....there's no time to play...because its bedtime.

I just wonder if they arent pressured to be teaching them to much too soon.....they start teaching them cursive writing in first grade....and some of these kids just learned how to print....

Maybe its the pressure of too much as to why these kids arent learning....I mean, maybe they are trying to cram too much in their minds....so much that they arent retaining the more important things that should be learned.

I dont know.....I mean when I was five and in kindergarten we just learned the basics....no book reports until maybe fourth or fifth grade....no cursive until fifth grade....of course that was 33 years ago....but are we in such dire need that we feel we have to pressure these young minds so soon in life?

I dont know...I have really mixed feelings on the whole thing! On top of it my son's school is year round....9 weeks on, three weeks off, with a month and half off from early June till mid-August....so they get three weeks to goof off but during that three weeks we have to prep them for the upcoming things they will be learning in the next quarter. I was told BEFORE he entered kindergarten that they wanted him to be able to write the D'nalean alphabet....so I worked on that for that month and a half between preschool and kindergarten....

I agree though fuscia, I think they need to focus on what they are spending their time teaching....some things are more important than others....and we need time for them to do other things.....like have a childhood.

Did any of this make sense? I tend to ramble at times!


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Too much subjects to do.

We need to inspect whether these subjects are appropriate for a kid of given age.

May be some subjects or themes within them must be taught as a specialisation course later in college.


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I think in the next few years we may see a parent revolt. More and more people are homeschooling their kids. I think it should be a wake up call for the school districts.

My son is only four, never been to preschool, and we are working on writing his name. He knows all his letters, numbers, colors,ect, but I feel so much pressure already to get him ready. School should be fun, especially for the little ones.


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