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I know that aiming for the legs on a moving target is not easy but if you have somebody usinig a child as a shiled I reckon that you have 2 options either aim away from the child or take cover and back down in an attempt to defuse the situation.

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What I heard on the news was that the baby was in a crib inside the house when the shooting started , so the cops didnt even know she was there.

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COME ON NOW, THE COPS KNEW THE BABY WAS THERE SEVERAL OFFICERS HAD SEEN THE BABY. COMMON SENSE WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM SHE WAS INSIDE WHEN THEY DIDN'T SEE THE FATHER HOLDING HER ANY LONGER. I CAN REMEMBER SEVERAL SIMILAR SITUATIONS WHERE THE OFFICERS USED MORE RESTRAINT THEN THEY DID IN THIS SITUATION. THIS WAS DEFINITELY UNCALLED FOR.

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IS YOUR CAPS LOCK BROKEN??? BUY A NEW KEYBOARD!!!

You know you're right one and only, I'm sure the cops knew the baby was in there and they probably pinpointed her exact location because I'm sure they had a pow wow before the gun battle and decided "hey for kicks, let's take this guy out, but let's add salt to the wound and murder his defenseless daughter too! YEAH!!! THAT'LL BE A HOOT!!!"


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Well if the mother was out there common sense would surely make you find out how many people are in the house along with the captor. Now if the cops knew the kid was in there and could not see her then that would point to the conclusion that they were unsure if she would be hit by bullets, so you don't fire until you are 100% sure that the child would not get hit by strays. The cops did not do that they just assumed.

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IS YOUR CAPS LOCK BROKEN??? BUY A NEW KEYBOARD!!!

You know you're right one and only, I'm sure the cops knew the baby was in there and they probably pinpointed her exact location because I'm sure they had a pow wow before the gun battle and decided "hey for kicks, let's take this guy out, but let's add salt to the wound and murder his defenseless daughter too! YEAH!!! THAT'LL BE A HOOT!!!"
FIRST OF ALL, MY KEYBOARD IS NOT BROKEN. THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE WAY I CHOOSE TO POST. YOU POST THE WAY YOU CHOOSE AND I'LL POST THE WAY I CHOOSE. BY THE WAY I STILL SAY THE COPS WERE DEAD WRONG. HAVE A SUNNY DAY.


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Now if the cops knew the kid was in there and could not see her then that would point to the conclusion that they were unsure if she would be hit by bullets, so you don't fire until you are 100% sure that the child would not get hit by strays. The cops did not do that they just assumed.


No , they werent 100% sure. If cops werent allowed to fire unless they were 100% sure they would be extinct.

Lets say the cops hold their fire and let the guy go, now youve gut a drugged-up psyco running around with a gun . How many people wouldve been killed then?


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When the life of a small child is at on the line, the people that the cops are meant to protect and serve the you should be 100% certain.

Are you telling me it was beyond the comprehension of the police to take cover behind cars, vans trees or walls and wait for the guy to come out. I am not suggesting you let him run down the street taking pot shots at people but until he comes out the door or the drive so you can get a clear shot at him and only him.

The polices job is to protect and serve so what type of protection was this baby given.


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I AGREE, I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD FEEL AS THOUGH THE POLICE WERE RIGHT IF IT HAD BEEN ONE OF THEIR CHILDREN?

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I AGREE, I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD FEEL AS THOUGH THE POLICE WERE RIGHT IF IT HAD BEEN ONE OF THEIR CHILDREN?

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It is also the police's job to protect both themselves and the people in the immediate area. The assailant couldve killed somebody in an apartment 2 blocks away, then everybody would be on about why the cops didnt do anything.

Oh, and it is the parents job to protect the child, clearly they both failed...................... miserably


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Agreed. While an excessive amount of force was used, deadly force makes perfect sense here. They needed to take the guy down. 90 shots wasn't the trick, but he needed some.

Good point about the parents F. I agree. While the police have a responsibility to protect the child also, her main caregivers; her parents, were uneffective.


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post #43  quote:

I did not witness the event.
Did any of you see what happened?

I think not.

How can you express your opinions on something about something when you have no way of knowing what actually took place?


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post #44  quote:

The facts stand, he stared firing at police first while with his daughter, that's all I needed to know.

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post #45  quote:

The facts also show the police started to fire back while they knew an infant could have been in the direct line of fire.

did this incident happen in a flat or a house?


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post #46  quote:

The latest- Toxicology reports show traces of cocaine in the 18 month olds system. Now the question is did she get it from the mothers breast milk, or from second hand smoke?

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post #47  quote:

Not to sound like a druggie, but you can't smoke cocaine. Crack is the smokey one.

The kid could be a crack baby or something and they rub a little coke on the baby's gums to shut them up. Regardless, very sad.

-HECK!


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post #48  quote:

Never heard of crack cocaine?rock cocaine? Thats what crack was called in the old days. Crack IS cocaine, it is just processed differently.

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post #49  quote:

I think that police reports would differentiate between that. Because it is processed differently, you can detect whether or not is was snorted powder or smoked crack rocks.

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Can one test positive for cocaine just by second hand smoke? Heroin the same? Opium, Quaaludes? Never thought about that before. I just thought smoke was smoke and one would just get cancer and die regardless of the source. Can it be detected in both blood and urine?

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