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Well last time I checked Scotland was not and has no intention of illegally occupying countries we just sit up here freezing our asses off and getting drunk.
But Zimbabwe is a totally diffrent situation from what you are talking about you see Scotland has not had rigged elction, Scotland has not blamed every singlr problem on England, Scotland has not told Scottish people to retake land owned by English people, Scotland has not starved it's people to death, Scotland has not lost 1 miilion people in under a year ( What do you think happend to those 1 million anti - mugabe people Malcolm?), In Scotland you don't face 10 years in jail if you are gay, in Scotland the governmen does not destroy towns for no reason, Scotland did not send troops to fight in the Congolese war, Scotland has freedom of the press, Scotland has not been islotaed by the international community, Desomnod Tutu has not called Scotland leader a dictator, Scotland leader can fly anywhere in the europe as he has not had a travel restriction put on him ( Mugabe is in a fine group only paedos, rapists, murderers and hooligans get travel restrictions), Scotland does not condone rape ( hundred of white women were raped in Zimbabwe the claims were not investigated), Scotland does not have 50% unemploymewnt, 60% inflation and we are not spendi $1million+ to fight a war 1200 miles away which has nothing to do wioth us at all, Scotland would not reject aid beacuse of where it came from, Scotland is still has hard currency to buy oil and gas ( not that we need to). Zimbabwe has done all these things in the name of as you put it " independace".
Starnge that you calim Zimbabwe wants independance because on the 2nd March 1970 the then Rodesia was declared a republic cutting all it's ties with the UK it was not a suprising move at the time as Ian Smith had declred Rodesia independant in 1965 which the UK accepted Zimbabwe is not even classed as a commonwealth country so where you get the idea that this is for independance is beyond me. But hey if you think that Zimbabwe is such a wonderful place and better than Scotland and Mugabe ios such a wonderful leader I am sure that you could go ( don't take your camera they are banned) there is a lot of space after all 1 million spaces were made available recently.
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lodgebo said this in post #11 :
Well last time I checked Scotland was not and has no intention of illegally occupying countries we just sit up here freezing our asses off and getting drunk.
But Zimbabwe is a totally diffrent situation from what you are talking about you see Scotland has not had rigged elction, Scotland has not blamed every singlr problem on England, Scotland has not told Scottish people to retake land owned by English people, Scotland has not starved it's people to death, Scotland has not lost 1 miilion people in under a year ( What do you think happend to those 1 million anti - mugabe people Malcolm?), In Scotland you don't face 10 years in jail if you are gay, in Scotland the governmen does not destroy towns for no reason, Scotland did not send troops to fight in the Congolese war, Scotland has freedom of the press, Scotland has not been islotaed by the international community, Desomnod Tutu has not called Scotland leader a dictator, Scotland leader can fly anywhere in the europe as he has not had a travel restriction put on him ( Mugabe is in a fine group only paedos, rapists, murderers and hooligans get travel restrictions), Scotland does not condone rape ( hundred of white women were raped in Zimbabwe the claims were not investigated), Scotland does not have 50% unemploymewnt, 60% inflation and we are not spendi $1million+ to fight a war 1200 miles away which has nothing to do wioth us at all, Scotland would not reject aid beacuse of where it came from, Scotland is still has hard currency to buy oil and gas ( not that we need to). Zimbabwe has done all these things in the name of as you put it " independace".
Starnge that you calim Zimbabwe wants independance because on the 2nd March 1970 the then Rodesia was declared a republic cutting all it's ties with the UK it was not a suprising move at the time as Ian Smith had declred Rodesia independant in 1965 which the UK accepted Zimbabwe is not even classed as a commonwealth country so where you get the idea that this is for independance is beyond me. But hey if you think that Zimbabwe is such a wonderful place and better than Scotland and Mugabe ios such a wonderful leader I am sure that you could go ( don't take your camera they are banned) there is a lot of space after all 1 million spaces were made available recently. |
getting drunk is only statement that was true. Where do you get this your info about Africa? Isn't there some penalty for propaganda and lies?
You say Scotland doesn't have NUCLEAR . what about this?
Under Freedom of Info Act sites were revealed to be dumping NUCLEAR waste. " Scotland sites identified as Downreay and Altnabeac, an under-sea site off Hunterston and two small Hebridean islands off Barra".
" This suggest Scotland was being lined up as UK's NUCLEAR waste dump...Scotland will have to pay the price for NUCLEAR obsession" ( Richard Lochhead of Scottish Nat Party)
Tommy Sheridan, a high ranking Scottish politician, was arrested at anti - NUCLEAR WEAPON demonstration at an Scottish Naval Base. " I refuse to recognize the inhumanity of NUCLEAR WEAPONS.... the biggest waste of taxpayer's money is the maintenence of weapons of mass destruction"
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Malcolm xx said this in post #12
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Under Freedom of Info Act sites were revealed to be dumping NUCLEAR waste. " Scotland sites identified as Downreay and Altnabeac, an under-sea site off Hunterston and two small Hebridean islands off Barra".
" This suggest Scotland was being lined up as UK's NUCLEAR waste dump...Scotland will have to pay the price for NUCLEAR obsession" ( Richard Lochhead of Scottish Nat Party)
Tommy Sheridan, a high ranking Scottish politician, was arrested at anti - NUCLEAR WEAPON demonstration at an Scottish Naval Base. " I refuse to recognize the inhumanity of NUCLEAR WEAPONS.... the biggest waste of taxpayer's money is the maintenence of weapons of mass destruction" |
Two questions.
First how did this turn into a Nuclear Weapon and waste thing?
This was about Scotland being involved in the Slave trade. Something that every European country and even American business men were involved in, and now it's something about Scotland becoming a Nuclear testing ground or something. Which would never happen because the majority of Britains care too much about Scotlands natural beauty to allow anything like that.
And secondly, do you, my American friend Macolm xx, think that everybody in Britain is a member of a 'national' party?
I voted for the Lib-Dems in last elections, my first vote in any election having just become old enough to vote. The BNP gained seats and the majority of, not only papers and politions, but people in general were suprised and shocked than anyone would vote the BNP in, who have been proved to have at least racial undertones (as anything else would be libelous to say about them).
They only got about 12 seats but that is missing only one that they tried to get. Hardly the overwhelming majority of Britains voting considering the Tories, sorry Conservatives, ended up with well over 900 and Labour and the Lib-Dems still had about 400 seats each.
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Malcolm xx said this in post #12
Two questions.
First how did this turn into a Nuclear Weapon and waste thing?
This was about Scotland being involved in the Slave trade. Something that every European country and even American business men were involved in, and now it's something about Scotland becoming a Nuclear testing ground or something. Which would never happen because the majority of Britains care too much about Scotlands natural beauty to allow anything like that.
And secondly, do you, my American friend Macolm xx, think that everybody in Britain is a member of a 'national' party?
I voted for the Lib-Dems in last elections, my first vote in any election having just become old enough to vote. The BNP gained seats and the majority of, not only papers and politions, but people in general were suprised and shocked than anyone would vote the BNP in, who have been proved to have at least racial undertones (as anything else would be libelous to say about them).
They only got about 12 seats but that is missing only one that they tried to get. Hardly the overwhelming majority of Britains voting considering the Tories, sorry Conservatives, ended up with well over 900 and Labour and the Lib-Dems still had about 400 seats each. |
I was respondng to Lodgebo's denial that Scotland doesn't have Nuclear program. FOI Act gives evidence that can be read by anyone intrested.
I will give true history of Zimbabwe . Had to do some research. Unable to spin and create stories like Logebo.
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| Countries of United Kingdom have agreement under the Act of Union that requires countries to have one gov led by England. So Blair is prime min of 4 countries and speaks for united kingdom. So Bush/Blair/Sharon occupation involved 6 countries. |
Technicly speaking Malcolm Tony Blair is the Prime Minister of England. Scotlan, Wales and Northern Ireland are submissive to England due to the occupation of Ireland, Wales and Scotland in ages past.
In short England makes the rules Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have to follow them.
Northern Ireland is, however, a very volitile political area. A chief Government official has to be assinged to Northern Ireland all the time to maintain the peace with the Republic of Ireland.
However as I said the majority of seats in Parliment are controled by the Concervatives now so they would have the deciding vote. As it stands Labour and the Lib-Dems have to be in total agreement to equal the concervative seats, of course this is ignoring the seats held by the BNP, UKIP, the Green Party, the Monster-Raving-Looney party, the Plaid Cymru (National party of Wales), the Cornish nationalism party and the various independant parties that manage to gain seats in government.
So while Tony Blairs government can make up Laws and draw up designs for future government schemes these ideas have to go through Parliment and be decided by all of these parties M.P's.
So Tony Blair and his government are by no means in complete control of the UK.
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Malcolm the Government in England make collective descions for the uk on Defence ( including descions on war ), Tax collection and tax setting, future sources of power i.e. nuclear, descions on how much cash each devolved parliment will get, immigration ( home office), foreign affairs ( foreign office).
As for Scotland well we make descions on where the money we get goes, we make descions on education, health, crime issues etc etc we make our own laws e.g. ban on smoking, ban on hunting with dogs etc etc. Wales is the same. So you see whoever was PM of the UK would not control over certain aspects of life in the UK mainly because the first ministers of these countries are involved in the day to day things that affect people more.
Anyway Malcolm what exactly is this thread about because so far we have had slavery, secret nuclear weapons, nuclear dumping grounds, Zimbabwe ( still waiting for true history of BTW) and no we have touche on Israel and have entred a discussion on devolution and law/ descion making in 21st century Britain.
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[QUOTE]malcolm xx said this in post #22 :
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Have you been in Zimbabwe?
If you have a UK passport you are not alowed in to Zimbabwe so to answeryour question No I have not been but I have been to other African countries where Mugabe reputation as an animal perceeds him. Have you been to Zimbabwe?
If not, what is source of your info?
Reports by EU, UN, Euro governments, US Government,Cnadian Goverment, African governemnts, Refugees that have risked thier lives escaping the dictator, secret reports that have been sneaked out of Zimbabwe ( press are banned) by Sky, BBC, Fox, Reuters, AP, from Charities such as Oxfam and Save the children and frolm the political opponents that have had to flew in fear of thier live. I like most would like to get quotes from the 1 million people that have vanished but we all know the dead can't speak.
And what makes it more legitimate?
Well I don't doubt for a minute that you will consider the above sources illegitamate but if you look at the number and the range of diffrent sources who are all saying the same thing we start to get a pictyure of Mugabe. Oh and FYI do you know how hard it is to try and find a sourcs that says Mugabe and Zanu PF are good guys.
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Here are a few facts I pulled from scholarly book Capatalism & Slavery written by historian Eric Williams. More FACTS (lodgebo) will come as I try an finish book:
Not until Act Of Union of 1707 was Scotland allowed to participate in colonial trade. That permission put Glasgow ( the New York of Scotland) on the map.
Bishop Pococke wrote in 1760 after visiting Glasgow " the city has above all others felt the advantages of the Union"
The development of the triangular slave trade and of shipping and shipbuilding led to growth of seaport towns Bristol, Liverpool,and Glasgow(Scotland). |
You know Malcolm, I have to admit that it is true what others on this cite say about you--you DO veer off in many directions...
When I waded though all of the ****, my understanding is that this thread was about Scotland's involement, if significant, in the slave trade. I think that ALL the points that you rasied were addressed by Logebo, then further expanded on by White Tiger. (Both of whom I felt were very respectful while doing so). You, on the other hand, seem to take offence to being corrected and so you try to find something else that you can "attack" with--issues in Zimbabwee. When that issue was addressed, something further still--Nuclear Weapons/Dumping..
Let's get back to what this thread started on--Scotland's involvement in the slave trade. Do you have ANY hard facts that back this up? We already know that they were peripherally involved, (goods for trading, boats, etc), but do you have any proof that there were any slaves bartered from ANY port there? The question has already been posed and you have yet to answer it.
Let us assume that the answer is "yes" for a moment... then what? It is interesting that you have not mentioned the Africans role in the slavery trade. .. hmmmm, why is that? Could it be because some of them sold their own kind into a life of cruelty and unwanted servitude? My point is, if Scotland was involved, then so was the rest of the UK AND Africans as well, so why single out Scotland? And if we are going to talk about racism, why not START with Africa? I would think that you would be ired by racism in ANY form, not just a white/black example. Why is that? Maybe that is something that you need to think about. We are here discussing something from 1770 and it has become a heated "discussion", if I can call it that.
Perhaps an interesting discussion would be, why you feel that you need to attack and alienate every race in this forum? And why are all of your posts surrounding what you view as racism, (or at least they eventually end there)? To hear other people's point of view is always a good thing, but you seem to always have the same one, and you are not receptive to anyone else's insight. If you are right and eveyone else is wrong, then just the knowledge of that should be comfort enough, so why post at all, if not to infuriate others? You name-sling and insult people at every turn--while half the time, you didn't even understand what was being said... Why are you so angry, and with whom?
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