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The Writer & nikiTa, let's keep it civil or to the Flamer's Ward this thread shall go.

That was Yoda talk, I know.

***My apologies HECK, you are right to call me on that. I'll take the suggestion I made to Nikita... In the future I'll not respond to disrespectful comments. I'll utilize the IGNORE feature. Thanks for stepping in.

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I think that most people wrongly assume that you are giving lip service when you make a statement like that. I have a relative who can not have children because of having cancer earlier in her life. She honestly would take a baby if they would let her. There are people out there who are kind and loving. It is a sad commentary on our society that we are so quick to assume that people are insincere.



I also had cancer in my mid 20's, and now, can't have a baby. I would LOVE to adopt a child. But hey... Heck got it right, there is way too much red tape to go through. And, on top of that, being a lesbian makes it harder. There are so many people out there who are just dying, inside, to be able to raise a child... but, the gov't makes you jump through hoops before that happens. They come into your homes, and disect you, and your living situation. When a women gets pregnant, that doesn't happen... and she could be living in a cardboard box for all they care. Adoption needs to be a little bit more open for people who have a deep desire to become a parent, and can't.


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IVF costs about ten grand a cycle. Hell, I had to take fertility drugs, and my drugs alone six years ago were about $1700 for one month. That was not counting the blood thinners. Luckily, I only needed one month.

***NOW you're getting to the reason why abortion is being supported. The abortion mills make no money if the babies are delivered and adopted.

I also wish there was a stork that could drop off all the unwanted children. there are really great people out there who would give everything to be parents.

***There are some storks out there doing that, but they've become an endangered species.


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The Writer, I appreciate it. Heated debate is more than welcome so long as we don't resort to personal attacks and what not. Using the ignore feature is perfect. Thanks

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I also had cancer in my mid 20's, and now, can't have a baby. I would LOVE to adopt a child. But hey... Heck got it right, there is way too much red tape to go through.

***Heck's got it right??? I thought he was advocating abortion. If there was less abortion, there'd be less red tape.

And, on top of that, being a lesbian makes it harder. There are so many people out there who are just dying, inside, to be able to raise a child... but, the gov't makes you jump through hoops before that happens. They come into your homes, and disect you, and your living situation. When a women gets pregnant, that doesn't happen... and she could be living in a cardboard box for all they care. Adoption needs to be a little bit more open for people who have a deep desire to become a parent, and can't.


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I also had cancer in my mid 20's, and now, can't have a baby. I would LOVE to adopt a child. But hey... Heck got it right, there is way too much red tape to go through. And, on top of that, being a lesbian makes it harder. There are so many people out there who are just dying, inside, to be able to raise a child... but, the gov't makes you jump through hoops before that happens. They come into your homes, and disect you, and your living situation. When a women gets pregnant, that doesn't happen... and she could be living in a cardboard box for all they care. Adoption needs to be a little bit more open for people who have a deep desire to become a parent, and can't.


Adoption agencies are money making institutions. The costs to adopt are out of the question for most Americans. It's not that these children are unwanted. It's that they are so expensive. To me it's just like selling people. Babies that have trouble have costs associated with them from hospitals and the like but, there thousands that require little or no medical attention and the cost should be offset by them. Unfortunately it's not.


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You're right USA1... it is VERY costly. And that makes it so people can't adopt a child. I don't have thousands of dollars to take in a child. But, I have a heart to love an unwanted child, and give them a home, and a family, and a better life than being passed around from foster home, to home... or orphanage, etc...

Maybe someday our gov't will look at that, and see that children would be much better if they were placed in a home, instead of being lost in the system... a system that doesn't really care about them.


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You're right USA1... it is VERY costly. And that makes it so people can't adopt a child. I don't have thousands of dollars to take in a child. But, I have a heart to love an unwanted child, and give them a home, and a family, and a better life than being passed around from foster home, to home... or orphanage, etc...

Maybe someday our gov't will look at that, and see that children would be much better if they were placed in a home, instead of being lost in the system... a system that doesn't really care about them.


Agreed. I have friends who have adopted Chinese children. I know they need parents too but what about American children?
Where are all the American orphans going?


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They are just being pushed aside, and left in a system that doesn't care. It's really sad when you have to adopt a child from another country, because you can't do so in your own country. I'm all for helping people out, wherever... but, we need to take a look, within our own country, and stop things that are happening HERE.

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"If there was less abortion, there'd be less red tape."

What makes you think that?

I don't see how abortion pushes papers in the adoption offices one way or the other. If anything, with no abortion, there would probably be more red tape, with all the extra kids, employees and would-be foster parents trying to adopt.

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There are not that many infants for adoption. There are plenty of older children up for adoption in our country, but they are overlooked.

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"If there was less abortion, there'd be less red tape."

What makes you think that?

I don't see how abortion pushes papers in the adoption offices one way or the other. If anything, with no abortion, there would probably be more red tape, with all the extra kids, employees and would-be foster parents trying to adopt.

-HECK!


I agree. There would be even more babies and many would require more medical help than most which in turn would raise the price of babies. That's just my opinion.


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Please... just put me on your ignore list. I have the right to express an opinion contray to yours. I would gladly take any of these children if it would save their lives... In a heartbeat! You propose nonsense. Unwed mothers have a host of social services designed to assist them. The childs father will have his salary attached for child support, the WIC program provides FREE food, formula, etc... Most have families who will help.

Do you think it's just money that drives the abortion mills? That babies are killed because of lack of finances? I've never heard of a woman using the term "piehole". Put your demands where the sun don't shine and quit playing games.


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I am going to say it one more time...and if you continue on ...I will repeat it over and over if and when it sinks in...

wow, you have some real good suggestions up there...
with all those ideas...I don't know why anyone would ever consider an abortion in the first place...

Didn't know WIC and teenage daddy could support a woman and her baby with formula and mowing lawns, but hey, whatever floats that noggin a yourin.

And 'families?'
You think everyone, most everyone has such a caring family that would not only allow an abortion...but care enough for their rebellious knocked up daughter to support them and take care of their chillin's too?

I know there are some out there...but perhaps not quite enough out there...or the girls wouldn't have to sneak over the border or hide their decisions and their actions from their parents.


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NOW you're getting to the reason why abortion is being supported. The abortion mills make no money if the babies are delivered and adopted.


Yes and hanging onto your dough and not coughing it up to help support babies and mommas you don't know is quite a racket too....

Money where the mouth is...that's a great motto.


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Adoption agencies are money making institutions. The costs to adopt are out of the question for most Americans. It's not that these children are unwanted. It's that they are so expensive. To me it's just like selling people. Babies that have trouble have costs associated with them from hospitals and the like but, there thousands that require little or no medical attention and the cost should be offset by them. Unfortunately it's not.



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You're right USA1... it is VERY costly. And that makes it so people can't adopt a child. I don't have thousands of dollars to take in a child. But, I have a heart to love an unwanted child, and give them a home, and a family, and a better life than being passed around from foster home, to home... or orphanage, etc...

Maybe someday our gov't will look at that, and see that children would be much better if they were placed in a home, instead of being lost in the system... a system that doesn't really care about them.



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There are not that many infants for adoption. There are plenty of older children up for adoption in our country, but they are overlooked.


Excellent points.


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"Should the child die for the sins of the father?" - that is such a horrible thing to wish upon a rape victim. Being a man, I'm ashamed that another man would be so insensitive... but that's neither here nor there, you are indeed allowed your opinion.

But the only way I can see your view is like this: a woman, raped, a traumatic ordeal indeed (hardly think you can argue that point). Then she's suddenly pregnant; an abortion is a hard thing to go through with, and it will most likely scar them for life. But that scar won't be anywhere near as deep as it would be if they had to see the product of their rape each and every day for the rest of their life. I mean, they may love the child completely; but at the back of their mind that child would still be a subtle reminder of how they were humiliated - reduced to a mass of fleshy desire and conquored by some twisted individual.

It makes me sick just thinking about it.


I really don't think that is the issue in a woman's mind gaboman.

An unplanned baby because of someone else's brutality and now you have to not only deal with the trauma of the rape, but also , How am I going to support this baby? How can I raise it?

In such a society as ours that demeans rape victims over and over again...blaming women for being raped in court room after court room...

can you hear someone say offhandedly..."Where is the father? Who is the father?"

Her honest response would be..."Oh, he raped me and got me pregnant. And since it was 'my fault' he doesn't have to spend child support, nor does he have to spend any time behind bars."

But you are right about one thing Gaboman...I find the writer very insensitive and kudos and a pat on the back to you for having more tact with him than I am not allowed to do.


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"How am I going to support this baby" is certainly one aspect, I didn't mean to discount that entirely.

Why aren't you allowed to have tact? I'll talk to someone about that.





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An unplanned baby because of someone else's brutality and now you have to not only deal with the trauma of the rape, but also , How am I going to support this baby? How can I raise it?

a person might consider giving the child up for adoption

In such a society as ours that demeans rape victims over and over again...blaming women for being raped in court room after court room...

Are you suggesting rape charges be accepted without question? That the accused should have no right to face their accuser?

can you hear someone say offhandedly..."Where is the father? Who is the father?"

Is it better to kill the baby than answer awkward questions?

Her honest response would be..."Oh, he raped me and got me pregnant. And since it was 'my fault' he doesn't have to spend child support, nor does he have to spend any time behind bars."

Another answer might be... "I got drunk at a party, had sex with a bunch of guys I didn't know, two months later found out I was pregnant and had an abortion. I didn't want to answer awkward questions"

But you are right about one thing Gaboman...I find the writer very insensitive and kudos and a pat on the back to you for having more tact with him than I am not allowed to do.


You are welcome to be tactful, it is the personal attacks, such as calling me "insensitive" that degenerates a dicussion into a name-calling shouting match. Sensitive people can disagree with you.


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thanks for sticking to your word writer;

Now, you are officially on ignore.....

You have proven that your comments are not even worthy of my time.

At least it's possible for me to do that with you.


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Reminder to all members: we can use the 'ignore' function or simply not read posts of a particular user.



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Reminder to all members: we can use the 'ignore' function or simply not read posts of a particular user.



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I use it all the time. However those dudes have been gone for a while. Thank God.


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I tried it once back in the day, but I don't need it. If someone is bugging me that much I just won't read their posts. Easy as that.

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Same here.

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No, Heck! you don't understand, I read so fast...even scrolling down I read them...I don't have time or the even the remote possiblity of ignoring by scrolling.

Maybe others can do it...maybe they read slow, I don't know...all I do know is that ignore works...and I rely on others with the wherewithal to report posts...because quite frankly I don't care if people make arses of themselves, I just don't have to read it.


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Ignore button works too, whatever makes INR easier for people to use.

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