They can't hold them responcible if it was legal at the time.
*That can be changed in a democracy.
There is no statute of limitations on child molestation, just ask a priest.
*There currently is a statute of limitations regarding CRIMINAL charges
You will never get 90% support. There are still the incest and rape issues that many feel are still a huge issue.
* I said what if
I for one would not want my daughter to be denied the choice if she was raped and impregnated by an alchoholic, drug using, aids carrying psychopath. She should have the choice on whether to birth this child, not me or YOU.
You would be talking about YOUR grandchild. As much a part of you as any other you will have. Should the child die for the sins of the father?
nikiTa said this in post #17 : writer
I am going to say it one more time...and if you continue on ...I will repeat it over and over if and when it sinks in...
Adopt these children and support these women financially or shut thy piehole!!!
Please... just put me on your ignore list. I have the right to express an opinion contray to yours. I would gladly take any of these children if it would save their lives... In a heartbeat! You propose nonsense. Unwed mothers have a host of social services designed to assist them. The childs father will have his salary attached for child support, the WIC program provides FREE food, formula, etc... Most have families who will help.
Do you think it's just money that drives the abortion mills? That babies are killed because of lack of finances? I've never heard of a woman using the term "piehole". Put your demands where the sun don't shine and quit playing games.
"Should the child die for the sins of the father?" - that is such a horrible thing to wish upon a rape victim. Being a man, I'm ashamed that another man would be so insensitive... but that's neither here nor there, you are indeed allowed your opinion.
But the only way I can see your view is like this: a woman, raped, a traumatic ordeal indeed (hardly think you can argue that point). Then she's suddenly pregnant; an abortion is a hard thing to go through with, and it will most likely scar them for life. But that scar won't be anywhere near as deep as it would be if they had to see the product of their rape each and every day for the rest of their life. I mean, they may love the child completely; but at the back of their mind that child would still be a subtle reminder of how they were humiliated - reduced to a mass of fleshy desire and conquored by some twisted individual.
It makes me sick just thinking about it.
"I'm for it so we can put Nuclear power plants up there, and then beam the power back to earth on a laser beam." ~ Whidden
gaboman said this in post #19 : "Should the child die for the sins of the father?" - that is such a horrible thing to wish upon a rape victim.
*** The rape victim is already raped... killing the baby doesn't undo that.
Being a man, I'm ashamed that another man would be so insensitive...
*** Supporting the murder of unborn children is "being sensitive" ???
but that's neither here nor there, you are indeed allowed your opinion.
*** It may be allowed but it sure ain't encouraged.
But the only way I can see your view is like this: a woman, raped, a traumatic ordeal indeed (hardly think you can argue that point).
*** I've never been raped (it can happen to a man) I suppose the trauma is greater than getting beat up in a fight (which HAS happened to me) but possibly less than having your arms amputated. (There was a woman who was raped AND had her arms amputated perhaps someone could ask her which was worse)
Then she's suddenly pregnant; an abortion is a hard thing to go through with, and it will most likely scar them for life. But that scar won't be anywhere near as deep as it would be if they had to see the product of their rape each and every day for the rest of their life. I mean, they may love the child completely; but at the back of their mind that child would still be a subtle reminder of how they were humiliated - reduced to a mass of fleshy desire and conquered by some twisted individual.
***Well... in such a case the child might be put up for adoption. Not only myself, but the state will take unwanted babies. Two wrongs do not make a right. Rape is wrong.. abortion is wrong.
Do you think it's just money that drives the abortion mills? That babies are killed because of lack of finances?
Yes this is the case, women have abortions for financial reasons, it's one fo the reasons why we probably saw a decline in abortions as the country prospered and now we see a stagnation as the economy has worsened since 2001.
I'm sure you say you would adopt these children, but we all know you haven't done this. It's easy to say you'll adopt, it sounds good, but you're not going to do it. A baby is more than buying food for the child.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
- Bill Cosby
The guy who takes a chance, who walks the line between the known and unknown, who is unafraid of failure, will succeed.
- Gordon Parks
I think people need to keep in mind that there are thousands of infertile couples. There are not enough babies to adopt. Many go to infertility clinics to have thier own because they can not find a baby to adopt. Many couples can not afford the treatments, so they try to adopt and do not get babies. There are homes out there.
Inner City Blues said this in post #23 :
Yes this is the case, women have abortions for financial reasons, it's one fo the reasons why we probably saw a decline in abortions as the country prospered and now we see a stagnation as the economy has worsened since 2001.
I'm sure you say you would adopt these children, but we all know you haven't done this. It's easy to say you'll adopt, it sounds good, but you're not going to do it. A baby is more than buying food for the child.
Not to mention it's always easier for the man to offer up his stance knowing that he will never, ever be the one to make the ultimate decision.
fuscia said this in post #24 : I think people need to keep in mind that there are thousands of infertile couples. There are not enough babies to adopt. Many go to infertility clinics to have thier own because they can not find a baby to adopt. Many couples can not afford the treatments, so they try to adopt and do not get babies. There are homes out there.
True, but adpoting a child isn't easy at all. Besides the money factor, there is so much red tape that couples wait for years and years. I wish there was a stork that could drop off all the unwanted children.
True, but adpoting a child isn't easy at all. Besides the money factor, there is so much red tape that couples wait for years and years. I wish there was a stork that could drop off all the unwanted children.
-HECK!
IVF costs about ten grand a cycle. Hell, I had to take fertility drugs, and my drugs alone six years ago were about $1700 for one month. That was not counting the blood thinners. Luckily, I only needed one month.
I also wish there was a stork that could drop off all the unwanted children. there are really great people out there who would give everything to be parents.
Are you drunk or what? It's difficult to get the gist of what you are saying.
***Okay... Every baby has a mother and a father. Usually the mother and the father love one another and they both love the baby.
But sometimes they don't love each other. Sometimes the father is a rapist and is hated by the mother. The father is a criminal and if caught will be sent to prison. That doesn't help the pain and humiliation the mother endures. But may give some satisfaction at least.
Now if the mother is pregnant she may consider abortion (if it's legal) She may think she is having revenge by killing the baby. But the truth is the rapist has no feelings about the child or anyone else.
In my view, (you are allowed to disagree) The child is completely innocent. It has no responsibility for the crimes it's father has committed and should not be killed because of them.
I hope that gives you the gist of my argument on this subject. I would not come in here drunk and spewing nonsense. You might not agree with my position, or understand it... but I ask you to respect it.
fuscia said this in post #24 : I think people need to keep in mind that there are thousands of infertile couples. There are not enough babies to adopt. Many go to infertility clinics to have thier own because they can not find a baby to adopt. Many couples can not afford the treatments, so they try to adopt and do not get babies. There are homes out there.
*** You're right fuscia... but what I don't understand is how some in here doubt my sincerity when I say I would take the babies...The fact that they can't imagine someone who finds babies delightfull (Dispite poop and spit up), reveils more about themselves than their arguments do.
I think that most people wrongly assume that you are giving lip service when you make a statement like that. I have a relative who can not have children because of having cancer earlier in her life. She honestly would take a baby if they would let her. There are people out there who are kind and loving. It is a sad commentary on our society that we are so quick to assume that people are insincere.
03-18-2006 06:05 PM
