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He is on Voldemort's side
He was loyal to Dumbledore and followed his orders
He was on Dumbledore's side, but went back to Voldemort
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The Snape Poll-don't look unless you have read HBP post #1  quote:



What were Snape's motives? Who's side was he on?

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Im not sure, i put he's on his own side, what ever works best for him. He is skilled at Occury (i think it is) and is using it against both sides

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I think Snape is on Dumbledore's side. What if Dumbledore required an Unbreakable Vow from Snape when he joined the staff? He could have required him to vow that he would NEVER seek to kill Harry. That could be true.

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exerlent thought Fuscia, that could be true ... What would happen if you do 2 Unbreakable vows that contradict?

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Well the vow to Narcissa was to help Draco. Killing Dumbledore would not break a vow to not kill Harry.

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I know that, it was a theroetical question

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As I already stated in another thread, I think he is on his own side. He chooses the side that seems to help him the most and then manages to fool both of them thanks to his mastery of the dark arts as well as occlumency.

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If he was so selfish and self-serving, why would Snape bother making a vow risking his life just to save Malfoy? If he was looking out for only himself, why would he have taken up a possition to go up against Albus Dumbledore himself? Perhaps you could say he was looking to take the glory for his own, but if that were true, why wouldn't he have let Dumbledore die when he had the Horcrux ring? It just doesn't make sense to me that he would be on only his own side. I think Slughorn was more self-serving then Snape ever was.

I think he is either on one side or the other. Good or bad, he is a brilliant liar and minipulator.

But it even goes to say, that even in the bitter end Dumbledore seemed to believe in him. Was Dumbledore pleading with Snape to not kill him? Or was he pleading with him to save himself and kill him because it was what Snape needed to do? Maybe it was what Snape needed to hear even.

If you remember, Dumbledore even had this mentality with Harry, before taking them to Voldemort's cave. He made Harry promise to do whatever he said once they got there and that if Harry needed to leave him behind and save himself, to do so.

Dumbledore was a trusting man, but he was no fool. I think Dumbledore was used to giving orders to people, which others didn't like to take. Like sending Snape back as a D.E., or Lupin back to Greyback, or even making Harry go back to the Dursley's.

On the other hand I think Snape was good at taking those orders, doing what needed to be done (without flinching if need be), perhaps even damning himself in the end for the the good of everyone. How can Voldemort doubt him now?

On another note (I said this bit in the the Horcrux Thread): Why would Dumbledore put Snape in the DADA possition when he KNEW that Voldemort had cursed it. WHY knowing that Snape would eventually be booted out by the curse and leave Hogwarts? This is what I would really like to know. ANY IDEAS? I have not seen anyone else comment on this.

In a nutshell, I still believe Snape is good and only the words of J.K. will dissuade me otherwise. :P (Stubborn till the bitter end, I am. And besides... I love a good conspiracy theory!)


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If he was so selfish and self-serving, why would Snape bother making a vow risking his life just to save Malfoy? If he was looking out for only himself, why would he have taken up a possition to go up against Albus Dumbledore himself? Perhaps you could say he was looking to take the glory for his own, but if that were true, why wouldn't he have let Dumbledore die when he had the Horcrux ring? It just doesn't make sense to me that he would be on only his own side. I think Slughorn was more self-serving then Snape ever was.



Snape only made the vow because if he didnt the two sisters would go to there master and say, and he would look very sus. And i also think he has a liking for malfoy.

If he had let dumbledore down (die) with the ring is he would look like a traitor for the good side (him being an expert on potions) on the slim chance he would servive if he didnt help, a chance he didnt want to take.

I agree that Slughorn is out for number 1 alone, like lockhart

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I think he is either on one side or the other. Good or bad, he is a brilliant liar and minipulator.

But it even goes to say, that even in the bitter end Dumbledore seemed to believe in him. Was Dumbledore pleading with Snape to not kill him? Or was he pleading with him to save himself and kill him because it was what Snape needed to do? Maybe it was what Snape needed to hear even.


or maybe he was pleading for him to kill and keep malfoy from becomeing a murderer, he had almost perswaded him to turn to the good side.

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If you remember, Dumbledore even had this mentality with Harry, before taking them to Voldemort's cave. He made Harry promise to do whatever he said once they got there and that if Harry needed to leave him behind and save himself, to do so.


These actions before they went to the cave made me suspect Dumbledore was better at Divination that he had let on.

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Dumbledore was a trusting man, but he was no fool. I think Dumbledore was used to giving orders to people, which others didn't like to take. Like sending Snape back as a D.E., or Lupin back to Greyback, or even making Harry go back to the Dursley's.


He knew that it was for the best, Harry's charm would still work if he went to the dudley's once a year (protection), He needed a spy in the warewolves, and although Lupin didnt like the job it was better than makeing someone else a warewolf, and snape leading a double agent life brought it on himself ... he knew that Voldemort would kill snape if he didnt go back (not such a bad thing now though, ay)

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On the other hand I think Snape was good at taking those orders, doing what needed to be done (without flinching if need be), perhaps even damning himself in the end for the the good of everyone. How can Voldemort doubt him now?


Snape was very good at gain trust back in both Dumbledore and Voldemort

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On another note (I said this bit in the the Horcrux Thread): Why would Dumbledore put Snape in the DADA possition when he KNEW that Voldemort had cursed it. WHY knowing that Snape would eventually be booted out by the curse and leave Hogwarts? This is what I would really like to know. ANY IDEAS? I have not seen anyone else comment on this.


Perhaps Dumbledore thought that maybe snape wouldn't leave the school after the year, but perhaps go back to his (uncursed) potions job. but who knows

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In a nutshell, I still believe Snape is good and only the words of J.K. will dissuade me otherwise. :P (Stubborn till the bitter end, I am. And besides... I love a good conspiracy theory!)


He ran off with the DE's! killed Dumbledore (albe it under a vow) and has betraid the good side many times ...


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On another note (I said this bit in the the Horcrux Thread): Why would Dumbledore put Snape in the DADA possition when he KNEW that Voldemort had cursed it. WHY knowing that Snape would eventually be booted out by the curse and leave Hogwarts? This is what I would really like to know. ANY IDEAS? I have not seen anyone else comment on this.


Two reasons.

1. Harry could not continue his training in hope of being an auror one day if Snape remained potions master.

2. Slughorn was needed. Dumbledore suspected that there was a horcrux, but he needed Slughorn to give him the proof. Proof that only Harry could get. What better way than to put the man in the school and have the lure of Harry Potter becoming one of his favorites as Lilly had been?


A question about Snape now. Did anyone else wonder why it was Lilly that was always mentioned as Slughorns outstanding student and not Snape?


Oh, and the Unbreakable Vow. I believe that you would be bound by the first vow. A conflicting vow would be cancelled out and you would have to honor the original vow.


Dumbledore did not put much stock in Divination. He just knew his opponent. As for Snape at the end of the book, of course he would take pleasure in taunting Harry. Harry=James to him. He can not help but hate the boy. Snape's weakness is his hatred.


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Fuscia, I would personally think that the two unbreakable vows that contradict each other would both stand, therefore, no matter what you do, you're dead.


I believe Snape is on his own side. He does seem to have loyalty to Voldemort, however he has his own visions of grandeur that you know have nothing to do with the Dark Lord.

I think if Slughorn had mentioned Snape as his finest student (from JKR's point of view), people would have guessed him as the Half Blood Prince, so she kept quiet. Though to be honest, I guessed it as soon as I saw it was written in a potions text book.


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Fuscia, I would personally think that the two unbreakable vows that contradict each other would both stand, therefore, no matter what you do, you're dead.boy would that suck!


I believe Snape is on his own side. He does seem to have loyalty to Voldemort, however he has his own visions of grandeur that you know have nothing to do with the Dark Lord.

I think his vision is to eclipse Sirius, James and Harry. He must be the bigger man, the stronger one .....
I think if Slughorn had mentioned Snape as his finest student (from JKR's point of view), people would have guessed him as the Half Blood Prince, so she kept quiet. Though to be honest, I guessed it as soon as I saw it was written in a potions text book.

Still, he could have been brilliant at potions, and still not in the Slug Club. Maybe Lilly really was better at potions than Snape. She was head girl, and James not Severus was Head boy.


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Ya, well, Severus was never gonna be head boy. He was a bit of a loser from what I could see. I would think the Head Boy would be someone the other kids look up to.

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True. I would bet that even among the death eaters, he is not Mr. Cool either.

Still, that he killed Dumbledore, dont' get me started.

What the heck was Wormtail doing with Snape?


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I suppose Wormtail was hanging out and staying away from Nagini so that he would not be eaten.

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I think that Snape is on the Order's side.There are many things that make me believe that Snape is loyal to the Order.


1.He is a very good mind reader.I think that Dumbledore opened his mind sending a messege to Snape pleading to kill.If Snape wouldn't have killed him,another Death Eater would have.
2.The Vow that he made.I think that the mission that Malfoy had was to kill Dumbledore,not to find a way into Hogwarts.Snape Vowed to help Draco in his mission.
3."Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!".What he meant by this,I think is that Harry should practice his mind blocking because The Dark Lord could never be defeated by Harry if he could read his every move like Snape did.
4.J.K.R. is a master in double truths.She would make you think one thing for 90% of the book and then you would see the opposite.It's too obvios that Snape kille Dumby,there must another truth.
(sorry fot the grammar,it's been a long time since i last wrote in english)


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These are all very good points Nion.

I agree that if he hadn't, another D.E. would have finished the job for Draco and Snape. But I also have begun to wonder if the vow perhaps compelled Snape to finish what Draco wasn't "able" to as well. I think the key to understanding what really happened would be knowing what an Unbreakable Vow really does to someone who has agreed to take one.

Draco's task was to first find a way around Dumbledore's wards, and second was to kill him.

I also agree with you about the "keep you mouth shut and you mind closed" point. Harry, with all of his anger for Snape, couldn't even get one spell past his defenses. It's like Snape's last lesson to Harry, that this is what will happen if he faces Voldemort if he doesn't perfect these two things.

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Another thing I'd like to bring up is the second chapter of the book, Spinner's End. When Narcissa, Bella and Snape are talking to each other about the task, no one actually says anything specific about what Draco must accomplish. Except that no one has ever managed it before, and that according to Snape "If Draco succeeds, he will be honored above all others." But if Voldemort has set an impossible task, Snape probably realized an openning and was just guessing with that comment. Also we know that Snape says that Voldemort "intend for me to do it in the end, I think " if Draco failed. If Voldemort did indeed tell Snape of the plan, wouldn't he have already instructed him to take Draco's place if need be? It sounds more like some more crafty guess work to me.

Snape... he says he already knew of the plan from Voldemort, but the whole time he is talking the Narcissa, it's like he trying to gather information from her about it.

Go ahead and read the second chapter over. I'm telling you, the whole time he is talking to Bella and "Cissy" he is minipulating them and playing with their emotions. He takes his time gaining Bella's trust, and still yet bragging how he is closer to Voldemort than her, because of her misshap at the ministry in book 5.

When Snape agrees to take the vow, Bella is completely shocked, and going through with it has probably taken some susspision off Snape now.

The point is: I don't think Snape knew anything of the plan at all, which is why he hesitated on the last part of the vow. The only problem is that he would not know what he would making a vow for. He would be walking into it completely blind.


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I think he read one of Bella or "Cissy"'s mind. He hesitated in the end because he knew that that ment he would proberly have to kill Dumbledore.

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I think you're probably right about that one, there is a good chance he used Legilimency on Narcissa. I have more to think on now... hmm.

Can a person always tell if Legilimency is being used against them? Does anyone know?

I know Snape never tried to hide the fact that he was using it against harry, and Draco noticed when he tried to use it when they were talking in his office. Is it possible Narcissa maybe didn't notice him using it?

If you can't use it without someone knowing, then he wouldn't have used it to find out about the plan, risking his possition within the D.E., otherwise he would have used it.


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I agree with Nion. When I read the part with Snape telling Harry that he had to learn to control his thoughts and close his mind, it was like a parting shot of information to him.

If Voldemort intended for Snape to do it in the end, then it was the final test of loyalty. Still, I can't help but think that Dumbledore knew he was right to trust Snape. Dumbledore came to Snape with the injured hand, and could have died, but Snape saved him. There was a chance to let him die, and then Voldemort would have honored him, yet he didn't let it happen. I think he stuck to his unbreakable vow only because Dumbledore wanted him too. I still think that Dumbledore made Snape make an unbreakable vow reguarding Harry when he came into the order.


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I wonder if you can go against an Unbreakable Vow at all... What if Snape was compelled by the bond made by the vow to finish the task?

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Ron said that you die if you don't fulfill the vow. You have a choice, do it or die.

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Do you remember what chapter or page number that was on? I'd like to know how he worded that.

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Chapter 16 on page 325+326

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I agree with Nion. When I read the part with Snape telling Harry that he had to learn to control his thoughts and close his mind, it was like a parting shot of information to him.

If Voldemort intended for Snape to do it in the end, then it was the final test of loyalty. Still, I can't help but think that Dumbledore knew he was right to trust Snape. Dumbledore came to Snape with the injured hand, and could have died, but Snape saved him. There was a chance to let him die, and then Voldemort would have honored him, yet he didn't let it happen. I think he stuck to his unbreakable vow only because Dumbledore wanted him too. I still think that Dumbledore made Snape make an unbreakable vow reguarding Harry when he came into the order.


I think Snape knew he had to kill him at some point, but Dumbledore had undoubtable saved his life before, so he owed him something, so saving his life with the hand thing ment he was able to kill him later. (Did snape ow James a life debt that he couldn't forfil?)


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Brilliant! yes saving another Wizard's life creates a bond. James prevented Snape from coming across a transformed Lupin thus saving his life.
A debt so to speak, sooooo maybe the debt is that he can't kill James' son.


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Thanks.

Okay then, you die if you can't complete the vow, but how could you break it if it was unbreakable....lol.


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Well you break the vow, and it breaks you!

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fuscia said this in post #26 :
Brilliant! yes saving another Wizard's life creates a bond. James prevented Snape from coming across a transformed Lupin thus saving his life.
A debt so to speak, sooooo maybe the debt is that he can't kill James' son.


Like the fidilus charm i dont think it can be passed on, i dont think snape wanted another unforfillable debt, he cant save James (as hes dead), and didnt want to have that with dumbledore as well


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Dumbledore showed absolute trust in Snape, and I have to say, I have absolute trust in Dumbledore. Therefore, I have to assume that D was encouraging Snape to kill him, thus allowing Snape to remain in the trust of Voldemort and the DEs. Dumbledore sacrificed himself in order to spark some sort of feeling in Harry, just like the chain if events he described to Harry when he discussed how the prophecy comes true. Concurrently, Snape must play an important role in Harry's future. On a side note, won't Harry be able to talk to Dumbledore through the portrait in the headmaster's office?

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