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| Posted by: 64impala | | Iraq a 'distraction' in war on terrorism: Think tank
MARK LAVIE
ASSOCIATED PRESS
TEL AVIV, Israel — The war in Iraq did not damage international terror groups, but instead distracted the United States from confronting other hotbeds of Islamic militancy and actually "created momentum" for many terrorists, a top Israeli security think tank said in a report released Monday.
President Bush has called the war in Iraq an integral part of the war on terrorism, saying that deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein hoped to develop unconventional weapons and could have given them to Islamic militants across the world.
But the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University said that instead of striking a blow against Islamic extremists, the Iraq war "has created momentum for many terrorist elements, but chiefly Al Qaeda and its affiliates."
Jaffee Center director Shai Feldman said the vast amount of money and effort the United States has poured into Iraq has deflected attention and assets from other centres of terrorism, such as Afghanistan.
The concentration of U.S. intelligence assets in Iraq "has to be at the expense of being able to follow strategic dangers in other parts of the world," he said.
Shlomo Brom, a retired Israeli army general, said the U.S.-led effort was strategically misdirected. If the goal in the war against terrorism is "not just to kill the mosquitos but to dry the swamp," he said, "now it's quite clear" that Iraq "is not the swamp."
Instead, he said, the Iraq campaign is having the opposite effect, drawing Islamic extremists from other parts of the world to join the battle.
"On a strategic level as well as an operational level," Brom concluded, "the war in Iraq is hurting the war on international terrorism."
In other findings, Jaffee Center experts disagreed with the Israeli government's statements that its four-year struggle against Palestinian militants is part of the world fight against Islamic terrorism.
Yoram Schweitzer, who wrote the chapter about the Iraq war, said the local conflict is a "national struggle," while international Islamic militant groups like Al Qaeda target not only Israel but also the entire Western world.
After interviewing Palestinian militants, including some in prison, Schweitzer said they do not consider themselves part of the Al Qaeda campaign. "Many of them are critical of Al Qaeda and its methods," he told a news conference.
The Jaffee report found that Israel has succeeded in reducing Palestinian violence against Israelis.
Feldman said the motivation of Palestinian militants to attack the country remained unchanged, but praised the work of military intelligence in preventing many attacks.
"The only reason these (anti-terror) operations succeed is that we have better intelligence," he said.
Feldman said the weekend attacks in the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula aimed at places where Israelis gather did not figure in to the assessment. Thirteen Israelis were among at least 34 people killed in two car bomb attacks Thursday.
"We regard the attacks in the Sinai in a different category," he said, likening it to an attack at a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, last year that killed 10, including three Israelis.
The report includes statistical breakdowns of the military forces and their capabilities in the Middle East, as well as analyses of regional issues. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Sayzak | | If the war on terrorism were chess, Iraq would be one of those sneaky moves by the knight. In this case, terrorism has one less place to move. Yeah, Iran and North Korea may be the king and queen of terrorism, but you can't get to those without taking out the other peices first.
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| Posted by: 64impala | | If this was a chess game, the pond that Iraq was just turned into a queen. There are now 2 queens on the board Sayzak. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | Pond? You don't know much about Chess do you?
How do you figure that Iraq is a Queen on the board? Bush's Queen maybe.
And that's the difference between Bush and Kerry, Bush is playing chess, Kerry wants to play checkers.
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| Posted by: 64impala | | Ron
I know you want to think Bushes war is going perfect, we found WMDs, and Iraq is connected to 9/11 but.....
WELCOME TO REALITY
We our fighting a war with no end in site
Bush has not protected nuclear sites, and terrorists now have nuclear material
We let Iran build up its nuclear aresonal while we focused on Iraq
Osama Bin Laden was never caught by the US
Terrorism is on the rise.
And you actually think were winning this game of fighting terrorism? Thats what you call somebody who is dillusional.
Keep dreaming Ron
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | |
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64impala said this in post #5 :
Ron
I know you want to think Bushes war is going perfect, we found WMDs, and Iraq is connected to 9/11 but.....
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No I never said perfect, no war is perfect and a good war plan will only last until the first day of battle.
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WELCOME TO REALITY
We our fighting a war with no end in site
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The Iraq war will have an end, The war on terror probably wont have an end.
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Bush has not protected nuclear sites, and terrorists now have nuclear material
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How can you make this statement, do you have something that says this or is it just a guess
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We let Iran build up its nuclear aresonal while we focused on Iraq
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We have been letting the UN handle this and again they aren't doing a very good job. Last I checked you wanted Bush to work with the UN and other countries, Now you don't? What gives????
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Osama Bin Laden was never caught by the US
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Nope, but I believe that he is dead in a cave in Tora Bora
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Terrorism is on the rise.
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Not in the US
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And you actually think were winning this game of fighting terrorism? Thats what you call somebody who is dillusional.
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We are making progress I'd rather dream then experience the nightmare of another 9/11
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| Posted by: JY_French | | Ron,
By your statement that terrorism is not on the rise in the US, you are clearly denying Bush's assertion that the "world is safer" - generally speaking - for the US and its allies.
Remember - Saddam was presented by Bush as a threat to the US AND its allies.
Well, you feel maybe more secured inside island America - which I doubt is really the case - but what about the allies ?
I tell you - 200 deads in Madrid last March, and probably others to come sooner or later in Europe.
Paris is a target of choice to Al Qaeda. France has lots of diplomatical, economical ties with a muslim countries throughout the world. That's exactly what Al Qaeda wants to disrupt, with its aim to get a global "clash of civilization".
So France as a good target makes sense to me. If I believe the news and rumors here I am not the only one to "feel" it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | Besides Iraq, and of course Israel. Tell me where terrorism is on the rise. Show me that there were more terror attacks this year or 2003 vs any year prior to Sept 11.
Now who is confusing things, you didn't ask about the Saddam threat. You said terrorism was on the rise. Nowhere in your post did you mention Saddam. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: 64impala | |
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Ron Ackerman said this in post #12 :
Besides Iraq, and of course Israel. Tell me where terrorism is on the rise. Show me that there were more terror attacks this year or 2003 vs any year prior to Sept 11.
Now who is confusing things, you didn't ask about the Saddam threat. You said terrorism was on the rise. Nowhere in your post did you mention Saddam. |
"As speakers at the GOP convention trumpet Bush administration successes in the war on terrorism, an NBC News analysis of Islamic terrorism since Sept. 11, 2001, shows that attacks are on the rise worldwide — dramatically.
Of the roughly 2,929 terrorism-related deaths around the world since the attacks on New York and Washington, the NBC News analysis shows 58 percent of them — 1,709 — have occurred this year."
Let me add that this article came September 2nd before the Russian school was taken hostage by terrorists. And before the hotel in Egypt was bombed by terrorists.
Bush claims he's the man to fight terrorism when terrorism around the globe is on the rise.
Man you people will believe anything...
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Terrorism is on the rise in Bali and technically terroism is on the rise in Iraq if you consider that before the allied invasion terror attacks numbred zero. London WILL be hit that is the belief of those in charge of security as will Paris and New York again these are the words of experts in the field of terrorism groups such as secret service agents and plans stolen in special forces raids all around the world. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | Show a comparison, I'm sure you can find a listing on the internet. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Ron out of intrest can you prove that terror attacks have fallen world wide? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Coogee Beach | | Listen to the Bush Admin and everyone fighting against the US in Iraq is a terrorist - so terrorism must've risen, given there's a car-bombing every day, and 30-odd people dead, and all the other ****.
Ron - you're smart, you think, you're considered - ... if we want to fight this war on terrorism, as we do, as everyone does, wouldn't it have been better to fight Al Queda? Do you really think Iraq, invading and conquering and taking over the administration of Iraq, with a view to installing a government favourable to Western interests in its oil and whatever, was gonna help the war on terror, an ephemeral thing perpetrated by dozens of shadowy "cells" of nut-job fundamentalist ****wits? I mean - Saddam - he didn't support these people. He had some weapons, sure, (though he must've moved them prior to the war ... or maybe they weren't there at all ...) - but he wasn't involved with Al Queda or 9/11.
Yet we're in there in Iraq, running the place, with no forseeable good end in sight. What do you think about it mate? You think it's good?
Cos we aint fighting Al Queda in Iraq. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | I had to get this from multiple sources.
According to the US Army's Terrorism Timeline and taking out Terrorism in Israel because we all know that that is a whole different issue and taking out Terrorism in Iraq because there is still a war going on. And to be fair I went back 4 years pre 9/11 but included pre war on terror attacks and some into the start of the war on terror in with the Post 9/11. If you take out the attacks that happened prior to us overthrowing the Taliban and putting Osama on the run then its less for the post 9/11
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Post 9/11 (19 terror attacks)
2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed nine.
2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22
2004 (March): Ten terrorists bombs exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 202 and injuring more than 1,400
2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked two synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
Grenade Attacks in Bogota, November 15, 2003:
Hotel Bombing in Indonesia, August 5, 2003:
Truck Bomb Attacks in Saudi Arabia, May 12, 2003:
Assassination of an AID Official, October 28, 2002:
Attack on a School in Pakistan, August 5, 2002:
Car Bombing in Pakistan, June 14, 2002:
Car Bomb Explosion in Peru, March 20, 2002:
Grenade Attack on a Church in Pakistan, March 17, 2002:
Drive-By Shooting in Colombia, March 14, 2002:
Kidnapping of Daniel Pearl, January 23, 2002:
Drive-By Shooting at a U.S. Consulate, January 22, 2002:
Attack on the Indian Parliament, December 13, 2001:
Anthrax Attacks, October-November 2001: |
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Pre 9/11 (35 terror attacks)
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Homeland, September 11, 2001:
Philippines Hostage Incident, May 27, 2001:
Manila Bombing, December 30, 2000:
Helicopter Hijacking, October 12, 2000:
Attack on U.S.S. Cole, October 12, 2000:
Church Bombing in Tajikistan, October 1, 2000:
Kidnappings in Kyrgyzstan, August 12, 2000:
ELN Kidnapping, June 27, 2000:
RUF Attacks on U.N. Mission Personnel, May 1, 2000:
1 May in Makeni, Sierra Leone,
15 May in Foya, Liberia,
May 25 car bombing in Freetown
PLA Kidnapping, December 23, 1999:
Burmese Embassy Seizure, October 1, 1999:
AFRC Kidnappings, August 4, 1999:
Shell Platform Bombing, June 27, 1999:
ELN Hostage-taking, May 30, 1999:
ELN Hostage-taking, March 23, 1999:
Hutu Abductions, March 1, 1999:
FARC Kidnappings, February 25, 1999:
Ugandan Rebel Attack, February 14, 1999:
Angolan Aircraft Downing, January 2, 1999:
Armed Kidnapping in Colombia, November 15, 1998:
Colombian Pipeline Bombing, October 18, 1998:
U.S. Embassy Bombings in East Africa, August 7, 1998:
Somali Hostage-takings, April 15, 1998:
FARC Abduction, March 21-23, 1998:
Murder of U.S. Businessmen in Pakistan, November 12, 1997:
Yemeni Kidnappings, October 30, 1997:
Hotel Nacional Bombing, July 12, 1997:
FARC Kidnapping, March 7, 1997:
ELN Kidnapping, February 24, 1997:
Empire State Building Sniper Attack, February 23, 1997:
A Palestinian gunman
Venezuelan Abduction, February 14, 1997:
Egyptian Letter Bombs, January 2-13, 1997: |
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Rather optimistic Ron, however the Bush administration conceded in April of this year that global terrorism has risen since the Iraq invasion. I'm sure you remember when they originally claimed it decreased, something you're doing now.
In as much as this is fact, I'm inclined to believe you're report above is absent of some events of the past. Also, I don't think your approach includes the many attempts of terrorism either.
However it is a foregone conclusion by our government that global terror has risen. In case you’re still skeptical, here is Colin Powel explaining away last June the bogus report claiming just what you’re claiming above.
Powell Explains Bogus Global Terrorism 2003 stats June 24, 2004 | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | It's true if you count Iraq and Israel. You see they count ALL terror including Israel and Iraq where a terror events happens almost daily. Those are 2 hotspots and I don't think it's fair to include the two.
And Colen Powell said this:
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| But the numbers don't tell the full story, the number of incidents. You also have to look at the number of individuals who were killed or injured as a result of these terrorist attacks. And, as we look at those numbers, we find that the number of killed going from 2002 to 2003 has dropped on an annual basis, but the number of injured have gone up quite a bit. And you will see that in a moment. |
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Here is some info I got.
In late May or ealry June 2004 that State Dept's Mr Brennar released a report sayin that in 2003 terro attacks had decreased, however on June 22nd 2004 he had to withdraw that report and claim that terror attacks had increased worldwide. There were 208 terror attacks in 2003 that left nealry 700 dead, in terms of large attacks in terms of damaged property or lives lost there was an increase from 138 in 2002 to 175 in 2003. The report and figures came from the CIA, the terrorist threat center and the Penatgon.
Obviously the figures for 2004 have not been compiled but since 9/11 there have been 2929 detahs as a reult of terrorism and 51% have been in 2004 according to a UK govt department I apologise as I do not know which one but it will either be the foreign office, MI5 or MI6. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | Again, that encompasses ALL attacks including Iraq and Israel where there have been many. It also includes unsuccessful attacks and suspected attacks, and hostages. They use a broad factor to claim a terror attack. What I am telling you if you take out the Iraq/Israel factor. Terror attacks have dropped including zero, zilch, nada in the U.S. since 9/11. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: USA1 | | One more attempt to blame America for Islam's reign of terror.
BTW- to Compare Germany and Nazis to Islam and terrorism doens't fit.
Germany was not a religion with followers around the globe. Nor is the US a religion with KKK followers around the world.
If terrorism has risen, it is because of Muslim support. Islam is making this a religious war not the US. I don't think we care what religion it is or if they are Nazi for that matter. The issue is global and we have commited this country to fight it. Even Kerry claims he will kill them all and that's about the smartest thing i have heard him say to date.
Terrorists are being apprehended and killed every single day around the world.
Until Muslims everywhere denounce these murders, it will contiune. How many Muslims are there in the world? How many are against it? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | |
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Ron Ackerman said this in post #22 :
Again, that encompasses ALL attacks including Iraq and Israel where there have been many. It also includes unsuccessful attacks and suspected attacks, and hostages. They use a broad factor to claim a terror attack. What I am telling you if you take out the Iraq/Israel factor. Terror attacks have dropped including zero, zilch, nada in the U.S. since 9/11. |
First off the report I got does not include unsuccesful attempts it only includes attacks were people have died did you not see that 208 terrorist attacks in 2003 and almost 700 dead that I posted. and it is not mostly in Iraq some of the countroes include Russia ( theatre siege), Bali ( Nightclub bombings) and execution of 4 nepal nationals in Afghanistan to name but a few.
I disagree that we should discount terror attacks in Iraq and Israel, you are right there have been a lot of attacks in Israel which proves that the war on terror is failing the same goes for Iraq.
You can tell yourself what you want but the report I posted came from your government saying that terror attacks have not dropped despite what you think.
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| Posted by: JY_French | | Ron,
Perhaps this argument will appear insufficient regarding how partakers are weilding statistics to solidify their opinion, but, anyway, I have never seen as much militaries patrolling in public places in France than recently. Last time I saw such a military presence it was 9 years ago just after murderous islamist attempts in Paris.
Terrorism risk is stated to be very high by officials in charge of this concern. And we are not within elections days that would explain any manipulation of the public opinion.
Feeling safer ? Definitely not.
Maybe in fantasyland. I should consider relocating at Dysneyworld. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | |
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lodgebo said this in post #24 :
First off the report I got does not include unsuccesful attempts it only includes attacks were people have died did you not see that 208 terrorist attacks in 2003 and almost 700 dead that I posted. and it is not mostly in Iraq some of the countroes include Russia ( theatre siege), Bali ( Nightclub bombings) and execution of 4 nepal nationals in Afghanistan to name but a few.
I disagree that we should discount terror attacks in Iraq and Israel, you are right there have been a lot of attacks in Israel which proves that the war on terror is failing the same goes for Iraq.
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Then let's count all the attacks on the military in Bosnia, etc etc. Counting attacks in a WAR ZONE is skews the numbers. And like it or not Israel is at war with the Palistanians and again it just skews the numbers.
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You can tell yourself what you want but the report I posted came from your government saying that terror attacks have not dropped despite what you think. |
And if you go on what Colen Powell said, he stated that the amount of Deaths have dropped.
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| Posted by: scottc | | Ron,
Have you ever heard of the IRA. Believe it or not, the British have been dealing with terrorists before 9/11. Guess what stopped the bombings? Here is a pop quiz.
Was it
A) Black and Tans. The British murder squad instructed to kill as many Irish people as possible, including the 12 innocent people in the crowd of the football match at Croke Park, Dublin.
B) Bloody sunday, the day the British slaughtered 13 innocent protestors and injured a great deal more. The British run roughshod all over human rights in favour of the hardline approach of "we will beat the "terrorists""
C) The Good Friday agreement whereby the British finally negotiated with the IRA, created the northern Ireland assembly, and handed over power to the people of Northern Ireland.
I will give you a clue. The answer is C. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Coogee Beach | | Yeah, Ron, but why we in Iraq? Don't you reckon fighting a war on Al Queda would've been better served by fighting a war on Al Queda?
I mean, all the resources, all the massive billions in money, all the innocent lives, have been spent invading and conquering a country with nothing to do with Al Queda and 9/11 ... surely invading Iraq has weakened the US's power to fight terrorism, that which is perpetrated by Osama and his fanatics. Don't you reckon? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | It's a war on Terrorism, not just al Qaeda. And no our military is big enough to fight on multiple fronts. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Coogee Beach | | But why waste time in Iraq? Surely there's more important fights in the war on terror, given Saddam has no links with Al Queda, no nukes, etc... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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Ron Ackerman said this in post #29 :
It's a war on Terrorism, not just al Qaeda. And no our military is big enough to fight on multiple fronts. |
Iraq had nothing to do with tackling terrorism. You know it because the facts overwhelmingly say it had nothing to do with the the terrorist threat. Just like there being no WMD in Iraq, you will eventually have to accept the fact that the Iraq war is a seperate issue. When this idea finally clicks with you you'll understand what's happening in Iraq far more clearly. Until then do exactly what you did with the WMD case - delude yourself and accept the Bush party-line.
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| Posted by: USA1 | | Saddam supported Hamas and Islamic Jihad for years. I guess in your view that if they are killing Jews, they aren't considered terrorists. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | What does that have to do with this invasion USA? So we invaded Iraq because he supported terrorist against Israel?
That is exactly what Arabs are claiming and you're giving them credence. However, we did NOT attack Iraq because they were supporting Hamas. The reasons were WMD and that they would give them to terrorists.
As you see now, nothing was farther from the truth, yet nothing will make you suffer from any form of skepticism, even when the facts say we were wrong. However, what is fundamentally lacking in your foundation is the pretext of “imminent threat”.
You guys are hilarious in trying to redefine justifications for invading that country.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: JY_French | | Yes Peace and the title of the thread is painfully obvious: "Iraq war a distraction war on terrorism".
While right wingers keep deluding themselves with convenient rhetoric-du-jour, Al Qaeda is reinforcing itself dangerously. But hey - Bush told it on TV: "the world is safer". | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | |
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Ron Ackerman said this in post #26 :
Then let's count all the attacks on the military in Bosnia, etc etc. Counting attacks in a WAR ZONE is skews the numbers. And like it or not Israel is at war with the Palistanians and again it just skews the numbers.
But if we go back to the report I gave earlier on the numbers do not include Miltary casualties it only goes on civilian/contractor/ humanitarin worker deaths and cost in damage to property etc so the numbers are not skewwed because they are only counting attacks on innocent people.
And if you go on what Colen Powell said, he stated that the amount of Deaths have dropped. |
So who is right the writers of this report Pentagon/Cia etc or Mr Powell?
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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USA1 said this in post #32 :
Saddam supported Hamas and Islamic Jihad for years. I guess in your view that if they are killing Jews, they aren't considered terrorists. |
The US supports Israel to the tune of billions of $$$ to buy tanks and bombs and missiles and jets and keep the military well armed so they can safely guard the land they've taken. How much did Hussein give the Palastinians? Probably not enough money to buy a jet fighter.
Another miscalculation the necons made was thinking Iraq would be more Israeli friendly with the removal of Hussein. Why so?
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | Connecting the dots:
Saddam’s Multiple Acts of Aggression Against the U.S.,
(including participation in the surprise attack of September 11, 2001).
A. Motive and Policy
After the Persian Gulf war, Saddam Hussein viewed his expulsion from Kuwait as only a temporary set-back in a continuing war with America; in 1991 his news agency carried the threat that "the American arena will not be excluded from the operations and explosions of the Arab and Muslim mujahedin and all the honest strugglers in the world" (Iraq News Agency, Jan 30, 1991, quoted by Laurie Mylroie (former CIA official [Clinton era]), Iraq News, http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1999/03/990304_in.htm , March 4, 1999.;
B. Alliance with Al Qaida
“Saddam's willingness to help bin Laden plot against Americans began in 1990, shortly before the first Gulf War, and continued through last March, the eve of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. It says bin Laden sent ‘emissaries to Jordan in 1990 to meet with Iraqi government officials.'' At some unspecified point in 1991, according to a CIA analysis, ''Iraq sought Sudan's assistance to establish links to al-Qaida.’ [¶] The primary go-between throughout these early stages was Sudanese strongman Hassan al-Turabi, a leader of the al-Qaida-affiliated National Islamic Front.” (October 27, 2003 Defense Department memo to Senate Intelligence Committee, as reported by the Weekly Standard, as reported in WorldNetDaily, November 15, 2003.)
“In November [2003], the Weekly Standard reported a 16-page top secret government memo to the Senate Intelligence Committee said bin Laden and Saddam had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, as well as financial and logistical support, and may have included the bombing of the USS Cole and the Sept. 11 attacks.” (2004 WorldNetDaily.com, May 27, 2004, citing the Weekly Standard, November, 2003, citing Senate Intelligence Committee memo.)
There are at least “50 instances of contacts between senior al-Qaeda officials and Iraqi operatives – starting in 1990 and continuing right up to March 2003.” (Weekly Standard, Nov. 15, 2003 )
“In what could go down as the Mother of All Copyediting Errors, Babil, the official newspaper of Saddam Hussein's government, run by his oldest son Uday, last fall published information that appears to confirm U.S. allegations of links between the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda. It adds one more piece to the small pile of evidence emerging from Iraq that, when added to the jigsaw puzzle we already had, makes obsolete the question of whether Saddam and Osama bin Laden were in league and leaves in doubt only the extent of the connection. [¶] In its November 16, 2002, edition, Babil identified one Abd-al-Karim Muhammad Aswad as an ‘intelligence officer,’ describing him as the ‘official in charge of regime's contacts with Osama bin Laden's group and currently the regime's representative in Pakistan.’ A man of this name was indeed the Iraqi ambassador to Pakistan from the fall of 1999 until the fall of the regime.” (Stephen F. Hayes, “The Al Qaeda Connection,” Weekly Standard, 05/12/2003, Volume 008, Issue 34.
See generally: Stephen F. Hayes, The Connection: How al-Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein Has Endangered America (HarperCollins, 2004).
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C. The Nine Attacks:
1. First Attack on World Trade Center (February 26,1993)
On Friday, February 26, 1993, the second anniversary of the U.S. liberation of Kuwait, two Iraqi agents Ramzi Yousef (aka "Rashid the Iraqi"), the mastermind, and Abdul Rahman Yasin, along with others, organized the first attack (by bombing) of the World Trade Center, the symbol of world capitalism and of the U.S. economy;
“[T]he book The New Jackals by Simon Reeve, published in 1999 by Northeastern University Press. . . . documents connections that Ramzi Youssef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, had with Iraqi intelligence officials.
. . . [¶] With regard to connections between Iraq and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the book makes the following points:
• The author concludes that evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 1993 Twin Towers bombing is strong.
• Significance was placed on the timing of the attack on Feb. 26. This date marked the second anniversary of the liberation of Kuwait.
• One of the WTC conspirators, Abdul Rahman Yasin, became a fugitive and, as late as 1999, was living openly in Baghdad, possibly working for the Iraqi government.
• Another conspirator, Mohammad Salameh, is the nephew of Qadri Abu Bakr, a leading figure in a Palestine Liberation Organization terrorist unit that received funding from the Iraqi regime. Before Ramzi Youssef came to the United States to oversee the WTC bombing, Salameh made the first of 46 phone calls to Baghdad, most of them to his uncle.
• Ramzi Youssef came from Baluchistan, a Sunni area in Iraq that spread into Iran and Pakistan. Pakistan intelligence sources were convinced that Youssef had close links to the MKO.
• American and Pakistani intelligence sources believe that while Youssef was teaching in Osama bin Laden's terrorist camps in 1992, he met with a senior Sunni representative of the MKO who was working for the government in Baghdad. The MKO official, acting under orders from Baghdad, is reported to have asked Youssef to go to the United States to prepare a spectacular terrorist attack.” (Robert E. Powis, letter to the Washington Times, June 05, 2004, citing Simon Reeve, The New Jackals, Northeastern University Press, 1999, emphasis added.)
“[On September 1, 1992] . . . Ramsi You[s]sef (aka "Rashid the Iraqi") arrives in United States.” (www.iraqi-freedom.com/chat/show.php/act/ST/f/1/t/743, Sam Pender, Iraq's Smoking Gun, citing Laurie Mylroie, The War Against America.) “Ramzi Yousef, who masterminded the 1993 attack and whose laptop computer contained plans to crash U.S. airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, entered the U.S. with an Iraqi passport.” (Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Monday, Sept. 15, 2003.) The passport misappropriated the identity of “Abdul Basit,” a national of Kuwait then under Iraqi occupation. (Jack Kelly, Jewish World Review, August 20, 2002.)
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“Ramzi Yousef is the convicted mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. He also plotted to bomb U.S. airliners in January 1995. [¶] In 1993, before the bombing, Yousef lived in Jersey City, New Jersey, with fellow bomber Mohamed Salameh, one of the first four men convicted in the WTC attack and sentenced to life in prison. According to the presiding judge in his 1998 trial, the bombing of New York's World Trade Center on February 26, 1993 was meant to topple the city's tallest tower onto its twin, amid a cloud of cyanide gas. Had the attack gone as planned, tens of thousands of Americans would have died. Instead, as we know, one tower did not fall on the other, and, rather than vaporizing, the cyanide gas burnt up in the heat of the explosion. ‘Only’ six people died. . . . [¶] Pakistani police arrested Yousef a month later, on February 7, 1995, in an Islamabad hotel room. [¶] Prosecutors depicted Yousef as the leader of the cell that carried out the February 26, 1993, World Trade Center truck bombing that killed six people and injured more than 1,000 -- at the time, the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Yousef's fingerprints turned up on bomb-making manuals and storage lockers used by the trade center bombers. He was believed to have bought the chemicals used to construct the 1,500-pound bomb placed inside a rented Ryder truck and detonated after the vehicle was driven into one tower's parking garage. [¶] U.S. District Court Judge Kevin Duffy sentenced Yousef to life in prison on January 8, 1998, for the trade center bombings” (http://www.terrorismfiles.org/indiv...zi_yousef.html.)
"We've discovered since [Iraq was liberated] documents indicating that a guy named Abdul Rahman Yasin, who was a part of the team that attacked the World Trade Center in '93, when he arrived back in Iraq was put on the payroll and provided a house, safe harbor and sanctuary. That's public information now." (Vice President Dick Cheney, National Public Radio on January 22, 2004.)
Also involved was "“a Malaysia-based Iraqi national named Ahmed Shakir. . . . Authorities found in his [Shakir’s] possession contact information for terrorists involved [inter alia] in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing . . . . The CIA had previous reporting that Shakir had received a phone call from the safe house where the 1993 World Trade Center attacks had been plotted." (Newsmax, Nov. 15, 2003, citing Weekly Standard, citing in turn joint memo of the CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA, emphasis added.)
“[T]he original lead FBI official on the case, Jim Fox, concluded that ‘Iraq was behind the World Trade Center bombing.’" (Joseph Farah, WND, Posted: February 21, 2003, citing Laurie Mylroie, The War Against America: Saddam Hussein and the World Trade Center Attacks, )
See generally, Laurie Mylroie, The War Against America: Saddam Hussein and the World Trade Center Attacks - A Study in Revenge (Harper Collins, 2001); Simon Reeve, The New Jackals, Northeastern University Press, 1999.
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2. Attempted Assassination of the first President Bush (April, 1993)
In April, 1993 the Saddam regime attempted to use a car bomb to assassinate former President George Herbert Walker Bush, the man who had foiled his 1991 expansionist ambitions, during the latter's visit to Kuwait;
“On April 14, 1993, Iraq plotted to assassinate former President [George H.W.] Bush during a visit to Kuwait. Two Iraqi nationals were captured with a sophisticated car bomb. They admitted under interrogation they had been recruited by Iraqi intelligence, which supplied them with the bomb. After an investigation, the CIA concluded ‘with confidence’ that the recruitment of the assassins had been authorized ‘at the highest levels’ of the Iraqi government.” (Jack Kelly, Jewish World Review, August 20, 2002.) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | [Page 6, Saddams Aggressions against US]
[OkC, cont’d]
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(b) Hussain Hashem Al Hussaini, a Palestinian with a tatoo proclaiming past service in Saddam's Republican Guard, appears to have been the "John Doe # 2" seen in the company of confessed bomber Timothy McVeigh a few days before the attack.
“[T]he appeals court [U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals] ‘affirmed U.S. District Judge Timothy Leonard's November 17, 1999, ruling, which upheld as 'undisputed' all 50 statements of fact and opinion which set forth on the court record implicating former Iraqi soldier Hussain al-Hussaini in the 1995 bombing. …’ . . . [¶] Davis said al-Husseini also admitted in court depositions filed with his lawsuit that he did serve in the Iraqi army. . . . [¶] ‘After two separate lawsuits, both state and federal, this man was unable to produce even one witness affidavit establishing his whereabouts for the critical hours of April 19, 1995,’ Davis said. ‘The testimonies of several eyewitnesses who place him in the company of executed bomber Timothy McVeigh and fleeing the scene of the worst act of terrorism in 20th century America stand undisputed.’" (Jon Dougherty, © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com, April 3, 2003)
“During the follow-up investigation, it was discovered that Timothy McVeigh had a large collection of phone numbers of Iraqis that he hid. Jayna Davis’ follow-up investigation reveals that 22 witnesses saw an Arab-looking man alongside Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh in the minutes and seconds before the bomb detonated.” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden:
A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing Davis, in US News, October 29, 2001.)
See generally: Jayna Davis, The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing, (WND/Thomas Nelson Publishers, 2004). This book has been endorsed by R. James Woolsey, CIA Director, 1993-1995.
“An FBI report records a call a few hours after the bombing from Vincent Cannistraro, a retired CIA official who had once been chief of operations for the agency's counter-terrorism center. He told Kevin Foust, a FBI counter-terror investigator, that he'd been called by a top counter-terror adviser to the Saudi royal family. Foust reported that the Saudi told Cannistraro about ‘information that there was a “squad” of people currently in the United States, very possibly Iraqis, who have been tasked with carrying out terrorist attacks against the United States. The Saudi claimed that he had seen a list of “targets,” and that the first on the list was the federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.’" (Joseph Farah, WND, February 21, 2003.)
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4. Bombing of U.S. Embassies in East Africa (August 7, 1998)
“On August 7, 1998, the United States embassies in the East African cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya were severely damaged in nearly simultaneous truck bomb attacks. The bombings killed 213 people in Nairobi and a dozen in Dar es Salaam. An estimated 4000 were injured in the Kenyan capital and 85 in Dar es Salaam. Almost all of the victims were African civilians, as well as several US diplomats. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings)
"“a Malaysia-based Iraqi national named Ahmed Shakir. . . . Authorities found in his [Shakir’s] possession contact information for terrorists involved [inter alia] in the 1998 embassy bombings." (Newsmax, Nov. 15, 2003, citing Weekly Standard, citing in turn joint memo of the CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA.)
5. Attack on USS Cole (October, 2000)
“In February 2000, according to an Iraqi defector whom claims to have shipped arms for Iraq to Al-Qaeda, senior Iraqi officials began planning at least nine operations against the United States in the Middle East and Gulf. The defector says he was told of a plot he was to take part in involving a trade ship packed with explosives to be used by suicide bombers to attack a US ship in the Gulf. The plan was revealed to the defector approximately one month after an Al-Qaeda attempt to attack the USS Sullivans, an American destroyer, in Yemen. In October 2000, Al-Qaeda successfully attacked and badly damaged the USS Cole in Yemen.” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing Christian Science Monitor, April 3, 2002.)
"“a Malaysia-based Iraqi national named Ahmed Shakir. . . . Authorities found in his [Shakir’s] possession contact information for terrorists involved in [inter alia] the 2000 attack on the USS Cole, . . . . The CIA had previous reporting that Shakir had received a phone call from the safe house where the 1993 World Trade Center attacks had been plotted." (Newsmax, Nov. 15, 2003, citing Weekly Standard, citing in turn joint memo of the CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA.)
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6. Second Attack on World Trade Center and Pentagon (Sept. 11, 2001)
The Saddam regime participated in the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon;
“Manhattan U.S. District Court Judge Harold Baer ruled in May that ‘Iraq collaborated in or supported bin Laden/al Qaeda's terrorist acts of September 11.’ Baer's finding was issued in response to a civil lawsuit brought against Iraq by two families of 9/11 victims.” (Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Sept. 14, 2003; Larry Neumeister, A.P.,CBS News, May 7, 2003.) “[The] May 7, 2003, decision by Manhattan U.S. District Judge Harold Baer, . . . awarded $104 million to two families of 9/11 victims based on the testimony of [Sabah] Khodada [an Iraqi defector], Duelfer and former CIA Director James Woolsey, as well as other evidence presented to his court. [¶] In his opinion Judge Baer wrote that the case was ‘sufficient to meet plaintiffs' burden that Iraq collaborated in or supported bin Laden/al Qaeda's terrorist acts of September 11.’" (Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Jan. 26, 2004.)
“Russian intelligence services warned Washington several times that Saddam Hussein's regime planned terrorist attacks against the United States, President Vladimir Putin has said.” (CNN, June 18, 2004.) “Putin said Russian intelligence had been told on several occasions that Saddam's special forces were preparing to attack U.S. targets inside and outside the United States.” (Raushan Nurshayeva, Reuters, June 18, 2004.)
a. Saddam’s continued targeting of the World Trade Center
“Ramzi Yousef, who masterminded the 1993 attack and whose laptop computer contained plans to crash U.S. airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, entered the U.S. with an Iraqi passport. [¶] After his capture in 1995, the FBI flew Yousef over the World Trade Center and reminded him that his plan to destroy the Twin Towers had not succeeded. His reported response: ‘Not yet.’" (Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Sept. 15, 2003, reporting on a “Meet the Press" interview of Vice President Dick Cheney, emphasis added.)
b. Saddam’s Planning of September 11 Attack
“Rosters of officers in Saddam's Fedayeen list Lt. Col. Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, who was present at the January 2000 al-Qaida ‘summit’ in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, at which the 9-11 attacks were planned, the Wall Street Journal reports. . . . [¶] Reported accounts of the al-Qaida planning summit said Shakir had a job at the Kuala Lumpur airport he obtained through an Iraqi intelligence agent at the Iraqi embassy. [¶] Among the al-Qaida operatives in attendance were the two who flew American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon – Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi – and Ramzi bin al Shibh, the operational planner of the 9-11 attacks. [¶] Also in attendance was Tawfiz al Atash, a high-ranking Osama bin Laden lieutenant and mastermind of the USS Cole bombing. ” (2004 WorldNetDaily.com, May 27, 2004, citing the Wall Street Journal, citing recently translated documents captured by U.S. forces.)
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c. Saddam’s Agent Shifts from OkC Attack to September 11 Take-off Site (Boston)
“After the [1995 Oklahoma City] attack, Al-Hussaini moved from Oklahoma City to work at Boston’s Logan International Airport, where several 9/11 hijackers would meet to seize airliners, including Mohammed Atta.” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing US News, October 29, 2001; see also Jayna Davis: The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing, praised by R. James Woolsey, director of central intelligence, from 1993-1995.).)
“[I]n November 1997, Hussain Hashem Al-Hussaini – a former Iraqi Republican Guardsman whom multiple eyewitnesses identified as McVeigh's elusive accomplice, John Doe 2 – confided to his psychiatrist that he was anxious about his airport job because ‘if something were to happen there, I (Al-Hussaini) would be a suspect.’ At the time, Al-Hussaini was employed at Boston Logan International Airport, where two of the four 9-11 suicide hijackings originated." (WorldNetDaily.com, May 7, 2004.) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | d. Saddam Trains the Hijackers
The al-Qaida insurgents were trained at two camps – Nahrawan and Salman Pak – under the supervision of the Fedayeen Saddam. Saddam trained the al Qaeda terrorists in the art of 9/11-style hijackings in the South Baghdad terrorist training camp Salman Pak, using a Boeing 707 [alternately characterized as a Soviet-era Tupelov 154] airliner plane fusilage, later found by U.S. troops, telling the recruits that the targets were U.S. installations around the world. “Commercial satellite photos show the body of a Boeing 707 at Salman Pak.” (Joseph Farah, WND, February 21, 2003.) “U.S. satellite photos confirming the existence of a Boeing 707 fuselage that Khodada and his partner say was used as a hijacking classroom. U.N. weapons inspector Charles Duelfer, who was tapped on Friday to succeed David Kay, corroborated their account. [¶] ‘We reported [the Salman Pak hijacking drills] at the time, but they've obviously taken on new significance’ after the 9/11 attacks, Duelfer told USA Today at the time.” (USA Today, Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Monday, Jan. 26, 2004.)
“U.N. inspectors had confirmed the camp's existence, including the presence of a Boeing 707. Defectors say the plane was used to train hijackers. . . . [¶] Sabah Khodada, a captain in the Iraqi Army, worked at Salman Pak. In October 2001, he told PBS's ‘Frontline’ about what went on there. ‘Training is majorly on terrorism. They would be trained on assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism. . . . All this training is directly toward attacking American targets, and American interests.’" (Stephen F. Hayes, The Weekly Standard, 09/01/2003, Volume 008, Issue 48.)
“ [In 1995] Saddam Hussein sent Farouq Hijaz, a former Iraqi intelligence general, and Habib Ma’muri, chief of special operations, to meet with Bin Laden representatives at Salman Pak, Iraq’s top terrorist training camp.[16] According to Iraqi defectors, these meetings resulted in the revival of the plot to hijack airliners in the US to attack prominent US buildings including the World Trade Center, which had already survived the first Iraqi attack. . . . [17]” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing Radio Free Europe, October 19, 2001.)
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[Sept. 11, 2001, cont’d]
“A Nov. 11, 2001, report in the London Observer citing the accounts of two Iraqi defectors who say they helped train radical Islamists to overcome U.S. flight crews using only small knives - a technique never used before 9/11 - at Iraq's Salman Pak terrorist training facility. [¶] Sabah Khodada, one of the defectors, told PBS's "Frontline" that he believed the 9/11 attacks had been executed ‘by graduates of Salman Pak.’” (London Observer, November 11, 2001; Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Monday, Jan. 26, 2004.)
“[In 1997] the first Al-Qaeda camps in Iraq opened up. Saddam Hussein’s regime increased the flow of small arms and money to Osama Bin Laden’s terrorist organization.[28]” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing Wall Street Journal, September 24, 2002)
“Saddam's contacts with al-Qaida, the [Iraqi] officers told interrogators, preceded the group's Sept. 11, 2001 strikes on New York and Washington. They said Saudi envoys arranged for al-Qaida insurgents to enter Iraq and begin training in camps around Baghdad. [¶] The al-Qaida insurgents were trained at two camps – Nahrawan and Salman Pak – under the supervision of the Fedayeen Saddam. [¶] One [Iraqi] officer who completed his interrogation was allowed to reveal details of the Saudi role in al-Qaida's operations in Iraq. The officer, identified as "L," told the independent Iraqi weekly Al Yawm Al Aakher that he saw al-Qaida members arrive in Iraq as early as July 2001 for what he described as a secret mission. [¶] ‘L’" said 100 trainees arrived, many of them from Saudi Arabia, led by a cleric named Mohammed. The officer said the Saudi cleric, himself a skilled fighter, remained in Iraq for the war against the U.S. [¶] Officers said the Salman Pak training included ways to hijack airplanes. Training was conducted under the supervision of an unidentified Iraqi general who is currently a police commander. They said many of the al-Qaida insurgents left Iraq after their training stint.” (WorldNetDaily, December 26, 2003, linking Geostrategy-Direct, a subscription-based service produced by the publishers of WorldTribune.com.)
“A memo from Iraqi intelligence uncovered by the London Sunday Telegraph last month stating that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had completed his training regimen in Baghdad under the tutelage of notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal. The memo was dated just two months before the World Trade Center attacks. [¶] In one passage, the Iraqi intelligence chief reportedly informs Saddam that Atta had demonstrated his capability as leader of the team "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy." (London Sunday Telegraph, Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Monday, Jan. 26, 2004.)
“By the end of 2002, at least 6,000 people from terrorist groups all around the world were currently involved in Iraq’s training programs. Camps like Salman Pak, al-Safar and al-Habaniya were often used to train suicide bombers. Training in everything from communications, surveillance, document forgery, infiltration, and spying to explosives creation, work with small arms, to work with poisons and toxins was offered.” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing, Daily Telegraph, October 28, 2001.) "‘We know too that several of the detainees, in particular some high-ranking detainees, have said that Iraq provided some training to al Qaeda in chemical weapons development,’ Rice said.” (Condoleezza Rice, in interview with PBS' "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, CNN.com, September 26, 2002.) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | [Page 11, Saddams Aggressions against US]
[Sept. 11, 2001, cont’d]
“On March 12th, former CIA director James Woolsey testified in court in a lawsuit that was filed on behalf of the 9/11 victims, that he was certain that Iraq had a role in 9/11, particularly in the training of hijackers. Five witnesses reported that Al-Qaeda operatives were being trained at Iraq camps, specifically Salman Pak.” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing generally Worldnetdaily.com, March 16, 2003.) In the Manhattan district court’s May 7, 2003 decision, “The account of former CIA Director Woolsey, whose testimony was summarized by Judge Baer thusly: [¶] Director Woolsey described the existence of a highly secure military facility in Iraq where non-Iraqi fundamentalists [e.g., Egyptians and Saudis] are trained in airplane hijacking and other forms of terrorism. Through satellite imagery and the testimony of three Iraqi defectors, plaintiffs demonstrated the existence of this facility, called Salman Pak, which has an airplane but no runway.’ [¶] Judge Baer continued: ‘The defectors also stated that these fundamentalists were taught methods of hijacking using utensils or short knives. Plaintiffs contend it is farfetched to believe that Iraqi agents trained fundamentalists in a top-secret facility for any purpose other than to promote terrorism.’" (Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Monday, Jan. 26, 2004.)
e. Saddam’s Ongoing Operational Contacts with the Hijackers
“ [In 1998] Farouq Hijazi was promoted to ambassador to Turkey by Saddam Hussein. Not long after his appointment, Hijazi traveled to Afghanistan and met with Osama Bin Laden. The meeting resulted in an official invitation to Bin Laden to travel to Baghdad for a meeting.[32] Between April 25th and May 1, 1998, two Al-Qaeda senior military advisors, Muhammed Abu-Islam and Abdullah Qassim met with Qusay Hussein, Saddam’s youngest son, in Baghdad.[33] Plans were made for the first group of Saudis belonging to Al-Qaeda to be trained in Iraq, whom crossed over in mid-June using secret infiltration routes that Iraqi intelligence had used. Upon arrival at the al-Nasariya terrorist camp, one group of Saudis was taught how to prepare for attacks and conduct surveillance, and the other group was integrated into a network to smuggle weapons and explosives into Saudi Arabia from Iraq.[34]” (Ryan Mauro, “Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?”, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing [32] Daily Telegraph, October 28, 2001; [33] and [34] Times of London, October 10, 2001; Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America by Yossef Bodansky. Pages 323-324)
Saddam maintained contacts (through Iraqi intelligence) with at least 4 of the September 11 hijack conspirators, including their leader Mohammed Atta (the others being Marwan al-Shehri, Ziad Jarrah, and Yusuf Galan);
“The London Telegraph reported in December the discovery of a secret memo to Saddam that gives details of a visit by Atta to Baghdad just weeks before the 9-11 attacks. Information obtained by Iraq's coalition goverment indicated Atta was trained in Baghdad by Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal.” (2004 WorldNetDaily.com , May 27, 2004, and December 13, 2003, citing the London Telegraph, c. December 13, 2003, in turn citing memo by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service, dated July 1, 2001.)
“Atta met as many as four times in Prague with Iraqi intelligence agent Ahmed al Ani prior to the 9/11 attacks[,]” i.e., in Dec. 1994, June 2000, Oct. 26, 1999, and April 9, 2001. (Newsmax, Nov. 15, 2003, citing Weekly Standard, citing in turn joint memo of the CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA, citing in turn Czech intelligence, Czech Interior Minister Stanislav Gross, and five high-ranking members of the Czech government ].) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | [Page 12, Saddams Aggressions against US]
[Sept. 11, 2001, cont’d]
“‘[A] very senior CIA man told me that, contrary to the line his own colleagues were assiduously disseminating, there was evidence of an Iraq-al-Qaida link,’ Rose writes. ‘He confirmed a story I had been told by members of the anti-Saddam Iraqi National Congress – that two of the hijackers, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah, had met Mukhabarat officers in the months before 9-11 in the United Arab Emirates. This, he said, was a pattern of contact between Iraq and al-Qaida which went back years.’" (2003 WorldNetDaily.com , November 15, 2003, quoting David Rose, Vanity Fair and the United Kingdom's Evening Standard.) “Senior US intelligence sources say the CIA has 'credible information' that in the spring of this year, at least two other members of the hijacking team also met known Iraqi intelligence agents outside the United States. They are believed to be Atta's closest associates and co-leaders, Marwan al-Shehri and Ziad Jarrah, the other two members of the 'German cell ' who lived with Atta in Hamburg in the late 1990s.” (The Observer, November 11, 2001.)
“ A Wall Street Journal report linking Flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah to Abu Nidal, who had reportedly helped train his 9/11 partner Mohamed Atta. "A constant figure in Jarrah's life in Germany was his great-uncle, Assem Omar Jarrah," the Journal said. "According to the German magazine, Der Spiegel, Assem Jarrah worked for a long time as an informer for the Stasi, the East German secret service, while maintaining connections to [Abu] Nidal's terror group." [¶] Eleven months after the 9/11 attacks, Nidal was executed in Baghdad by Saddam's secret police in what many believe was an attempted cover-up of Iraq's 9/11 complicity.” (Wall Street Journal, Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Monday, Jan. 26, 2004.)
“Spanish evidence was also presented [at the trial of the 9/11 case against Saddam] that the 9/11 co-conspirator, Yusaf Galem, was at a party (under this same Al-Qaeda identity) thrown by the Iraqi ambassador to Spain. Why was such a person invited?[113]” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?”, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing Worldnetdaily.com, March 16, 2003.)
“A Malaysia-based Iraqi national named Ahmed Shakir . . . is said to have ‘facilitated the arrival of one of the Sept 11 hijackers for an operational meeting in Kuala Lumpur (Jan 2000)’” (Newsmax, Nov. 15, 2003, citing Weekly Standard, citing in turn joint memo of the CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA.)
"Authorities found in his [Shakir’s] possession contact information for terrorists involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1998 embassy bombings, the 2000 attack on the USS Cole, and the September 11 hijackings. The CIA had previous reporting that Shakir had received a phone call from the safe house where the 1993 World Trade Center attacks had been plotted." (Newsmax, Nov. 15, 2003, citing Weekly Standard, citing in turn joint memo of the CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA.)
f. Saddam’s Financing of the Attack
“A Defense Department memo detailing over 50 contacts between senior officials in Iraq and Osama bin Laden's minions going back to the 1980s. According to a November 2003 report in the Weekly Standard, the memo cites evidence that Ahmed al Ani, the Iraqi intelligence chief in Czechoslovakia, ‘ordered the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] finance officer to issue [Mohamed] Atta funds from IIS financial holdings in the Prague office.’" (Weekly Standard, November, 2003; Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff, Monday, Jan. 26, 2004.)
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“In the past four months [prior to September 11, 2001] at least three high-ranking Iraqi intelligence officials - among them Hassan Ezba Thalaj, a veteran officer with a reputation for ruthlessness - have visited Pakistan to meet representatives of al-Qaeda. Previous visitors have taken large sums of money with them, including Ahmed al Jafari, a senior Baghdad intelligence officer who took £420,000 18 months ago. Other funds have been forwarded via banks in Lebanon.” (London Telegraph, telegraph.co.uk, Sept. 23, 2001, “Alert by Saddam points to Iraq” by Jessica Berry in Jerusalem, Philip Sherwell and David Wastell in Washington.)
“Iraqi intelligence bankrolled lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta in the months leading up to the worst terrorist attack ever on U.S. soil Atta met as many as four times in Prague with Iraqi intelligence agent Ahmed al Ani prior to the 9/11 attacks. ... [D]uring one of these meetings, al Ani "ordered the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] finance officer to issue Atta funds from IIS financial holdings in the Prague office." (Newsmax, Nov. 15, 2003, citing Weekly Standard, citing in turn joint memo of the CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA, citing in turn Czech intelligence, Czech Interior Minister Stanislav Gross, and five high-ranking members of the Czech government ].)
g. Saddam’s Preparation for Anticipated American Retaliation
In early September, 2001, shortly before the September 11 attacks, Saddam placed his troops on the highest state of alert and with his family retreated into heavily fortified bunkers in Tikrit, evidently fearing retaliation for the imminent attack on the U.S. (See Con Coughlin, Saddam: The Secret Life, 2002, Harper Collins, p. xxv.);
“SADDAM HUSSEIN put his troops on their highest military alert since the Gulf war two weeks before the suicide attacks on America in the strongest indication yet that the Iraqi dictator knew an atrocity was planned.” (London Telegraph, telegraph.co.uk, Sept. 23, 2001, “Alert by Saddam points to Iraq” by Jessica Berry in Jerusalem, Philip Sherwell and David Wastell in Washington.)
h. Saddam Celebrates the Attack and Takes Credit
In November, 2001, bin Ladin was proclaimed Iraq's "Man of the Year," but an official poem gave Saddam the credit for the attack by the four hijacked planes;
“On December 3, 2001, a poem was recited by Sheikh Ali Bin Shallal, head of the al-Sharji tribes, at a meeting with the tribal chiefs of Basra and Maysan—and Saddam Hussein. It is highly likely this will startle you, here is the text:
“From inside America, how five planes flew.
Such a mishap never happened in the past!
And nothing similar will happen.
Six thousand infidels died.
Bin Ladin did not do it; the luck of the president [Saddam] did it.’”
(Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com,)
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During Operation Iraqi Freedom, troops found murals in Nasiriya (by marines on March 26, 2003) and in Baghdad (by the Third Infantry on April 13, 2003) at Iraqi military centers depicting the World Trade Center at the awful moment of attack, the former showing Iraqi planes as the perpetrators and the latter depicting Saddam celebrating along side of the burning twin towers;
“U.S. Marines searching Iraqi military headquarters in this southern city [Nasiriya] that was the site of intensive fighting came across a mural depicting a plane crashing into a building complex resembling New York's twin towers, a news agency photograph showed Wednesday. [¶] The plane's logo and coloring resembled that of Iraqi Airlines, said Getty Images News Service executive Brian Felber, based in New York.” (NASIRIYA, Iraq, CNN, March 26, 2003, 1st Marine Exped. Force.)
“Major General Buford ‘Buff ' Blount, commander of the Third Infantry Division, stood in the middle of a dusty parade ground yesterday at a militia training center, billows of black smoke rising behind him from yet another destroyed target of Iraqi resistance. As Blount watched, his soldiers unfurled a large mural they had discovered at the facility. There, in vibrant hues, a beaming image of Saddam Hussein, victory cigar in hand, had been painted beside a rendering of the World Trade Center at the awful moment of attack. ‘God protect Saddam and Iraq,’ the artist inscribed in Arabic.” (Brian MacQuarrie, Boston Globe, 4/13/2003, p. A39; Baghdad, Iraq. )
7. Anthrax attacks in September 18, 2001 - October, 2001
In the days following September 11, anthrax letters were mailed, anthrax being a bioweapon used by Saddam;
“Speaking about the beginning of US retaliation for 9/11, Uday Hussein wrote the following in the Iraqi state media: ‘At this stage it is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of the hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything.... The viruses easily spread by air, and people are affected without feeling it.’[77]” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing Radio Free Europe, October 19, 2001.) Uday Hussein, wrote this in Babil on September 20, 2001, before any news had come out about the Anthrax-laced letters mailed on September 18, 2001. (Cf. Wall Street Journal, "Saddam and the Next 9/11", Feb. 14, 2003.)
“Britain's Guardian newspaper reported Sunday that American investigators probing anthrax outbreaks in Florida and New York believe they have all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack -- and have named Iraq as the prime suspect as the source of the deadly spores. [¶] “The Guardian notes that in liquid form, anthrax is useless - droplets would fall to the ground, rather than staying suspended in the air to be breathed by victims. [¶] ‘Making powder needs repeated washings in huge centrifuges, followed by intensive drying, which requires sealed environments. The technology would cost millions.’ [¶] The London paper quoting CIA sources as saying that ‘Iraq has the technology and supplies of anthrax suitable for terrorist use.’. . . [¶] American officials have already revealed that anthrax bacteria used in the recent attacks is the ‘Ames strain’ of anthrax originally cultivated at Iowa State University in the 1950s. Iraq is believed to have that strain.” (WorldNetDaily, December 26, 2003, linking Geostrategy-Direct, a subscription-based service produced by the publishers of WorldTribune.com.)
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“But if we look at the anthrax strain, which was enhanced with bentonite and silicia, Iraq is suspected. Of the few countries suspected of having anthrax weapons, Iraq is the only believed to use bentonite. Silicia and bentonite are used to separate the tiny particles, so as to be inhaled more easily. Former UN biological weapons inspector, Timothy Trevan says that the presence of bentonite in anthrax is a trademark of Iraq’s anthrax.[78] Significantly, a former UN inspector and expert in biological warfare, Richard Spertzel, also have said that he believes Iraq sponsored the attack. He testified: “It has to be someone with an existing biological program. These are Russia, Syria, Iran, and Libya. Top of my list, though, is Iraq. There are known associations with intelligence personnel and al-Qaeda. Also they have the capability, and the know-how.”[79] Additionally, only three countries are known to have produced anthrax in the way that they were used in the attacks (where the spores are extremely small and made in such a way to minimize potential for not being inhaled). These countries are Iraq, Russia, and the United States.” (Ryan Mauro, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden: A Match Made Up in Propaganda?, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing, [78] ABC News, October 29, 2001, [79] Sunday Telegraph, October 27, 2001.)
“There is immense evidence that ‘Waly Samar’ (not his real identity), an Iraqi associate with experience in biotechnology whom worked alongside Ramzi Yousef in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, has a role in the anthrax attacks. The contacts Samar made with Yousef were paid by Abdul Rahman Yasin, the other Iraqi involved in the 1993 plot with Ramzi Yousef who was given safety by Baghdad. Samar has been teaching in New York City (but lives in New Jersey) since receiving his Ph.D. in biology from Hunter College. His graduate and current research was in Bacillus subtilis, a stimulant used in making anthrax as a potent biological weapon. . . . [¶] In 2000, Waly Samar tried to get a job at the University of Minnesota, one of the top colleges for “agricultural aviation”, or crop dusting. This is the same college that Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, tried to take courses on crop dusting. Mohammed Atta, the 9/11 leader, is also known to have tried to buy a crop duster.” (Ryan Mauro, “Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden:
A Match Made Up in Propaganda?”, http://www.worldthreats.com, citing J. Adams, “Is 'Waly Samar' an Iraqi Bioterrorist on U.S. Soil?”, http://www.spiritoftruth.org/samar.htm.) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | [Page 16, Saddams Aggressions against US]
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8. Assassination of Laurence Foley (Oct. 28, 2002)
On October 28, 2002, the al-Zarqawi network, a Baghdad-based al-Qaida cell, allied to Saddam, assassinated Laurence Foley, a U.S. diplomat in Jordan;
“An expert in poisons and chemical weapons, Zarqawi is believed to have been providing training to the extremist group Ansar al Islam. The group is based in northeastern Iraq in territory that is under the control of neither Baghdad nor the main Kurdish groups that have divided up most of northern Iraq. [¶] Soon after Zarqawi arrived, Powell said, "nearly two dozen extremists converged on Baghdad and established a base of operations there. [¶] "These Al Qaeda affiliates, based in Baghdad, now coordinate the movement of people, money and supplies into and throughout Iraq for his network, and they are now operating freely in the capital for more than eight months," he added. Coalition officials said that no group could operate in this manner without deep engagement with Iraq's ubiquitous intelligence services. . . . [¶] The unraveling of the Qaeda story in Iraq, which is still under way, took on some of the drama of an espionage thriller when, after the murder of Foley in Amman, the Qaeda deputy to Zarqawi suffered a lapse of communications discipline. As he drove across northern Iraq to the Turkish and Syrian frontiers, he could not resist using his satellite phone to call Foley's murderers to congratulate them and tell them he was on his way to meet with them. . . . [¶] "The captured assassin says his cell received money and weapons from Zarqawi for that murder," Powell said. In December, Jordan announced that it had two men in custody who had confessed to killing Foley on the instructions of Zarqawi.. . [¶] "The captured assassin says his cell received money and weapons from Zarqawi for that murder," Powell said. In December, Jordan announced that it had two men in custody who had confessed to killing Foley on the instructions of Zarqawi.” (Patrick E. Tyler, The New York Times, February 7, 2003.) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | [Page 17, Saddams Aggressions against US]
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9. Attacks on U.S. Planes Monitoring “No-fly” Zones (2002 - 2003)
Even during the U.N. inspections, before the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the Saddam regime continuously attacked U.S. planes monitoring the "no-fly" zones.
“The no-fly zones were established by the US, the UK and France after the Gulf War for humanitarian reasons in an attempt to stop Saddam's repression of Kurdish people in the north of Iraq, and the Shia population in the south. The aim is to prevent Iraq being able to attack these people from the air. The Secretary of State commented— [¶] Previously Saddam has used helicopter gun ships to repress the Kurdish population in the north and both fixed wing aircraft and helicopter gun ships to repress Shia muslims in the south. Coalition patrols prevent him using his air force in this way but there is no reason to suppose he would not resume the tactics if the patrols ceased.[63]” (UK Parliament, Select Committee on Defence Thirteenth Report, 27 ) “The UK and the US governments have frequently said that the basis lies in UN Security Council Resolution 688 of April 1991 which— [¶] ‘... condemns the repression of the Iraqi civilian population in many parts of Iraq ... demands that Iraq ... immediately end this repression ... requests the Secretary-General to pursue his humanitarian efforts in Iraq ... appeals to all Member States ... to contribute to these humanitarian relief efforts.[73]’ [¶] The Secretary of State told us—... the justification is essentially based on the overwhelming humanitarian necessity of protecting people on the ground, combined with the need to monitor the effect of 688; so it is the two taken in combination that provides the legal justification.[74] ” (UK Parliament, Select Committee on Defence Thirteenth Report, 30 ) In addition, the underlying legal basis was supplied by UN Security Council Resolution 678, which “ . . . 2. Authorizes Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait, unless Iraq on or before 15 January 1991 fully implements, as set forth in paragraph 1 above, the foregoing resolutions, to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 (1990) and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area” (UNSCR 678, Nov. 29, 1990; see also UNSCR 1441, Nov. 8, 2002 [reaffirming UNSCR 678].)
“The zones were established shortly after the 1991 Gulf War to protect Kurdish and Shiite Muslim groups. Iraq, which considers the zones violations of its sovereignty, frequently trie[d] to shoot down allied planes. . . . [¶] Under the [Security Council] resolution [1441], a material breach must be reported to the Security Council for new debate and could be used as possible justification for U.S.-led military action to remove Saddam's government. [¶] A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said in Washington Friday the government considers the firing a material breach, but could not say whether or when American officials would raise the issue with the United Nations. [¶] State Department spokesman Frederick Jones said the United States had the option of reporting the Iraqi firing to the Security Council but had not decided whether to do so.” (Associated Press, November 18, 2002, “Coalition planes attacked over Iraq.” ) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | [Page 18, Saddams Aggressions against US]
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“Military officials here at the Pentagon point out there's one sort of delicate problem in calling this a material breach and initiating military action, and that is Iraq has been doing this for over 10 years. It would be a very delicate situation for the U.S. to now suddenly stand up, they say, declare this is a material breach, and that it would be grounds for going to war. [¶] But it is very, very clear Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is becoming increasingly frustrated. He told reporters earlier today that he wanted . . . to remind people, this is the only place in the world where U.S. pilots are fired upon, and there is a measured response by the U.S. military. He pointed out in any other case, there would not be such a measured response.” (Wolf Blitzer with Barbara Starr, CNN, “No-Fly Zone Shootings”, aired November 18, 2002, http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0211/18/sdi.06.html.)
D. Conclusion
Therefore, “if reporters really want to know why Americans see ties between Baghdad and 9/11, they need look no further than their own archives, where they'll find repeated and as yet undisputed reports documenting compelling evidence of Iraq's role in the attacks.” (NewsMax.com, Sept. 17, 2003.) Not only is the evidence undisputed, but the natural conclusion from that evidence comes as no surprise to such authorities as Vice President (and former Secretary of Defense) Dick Cheney, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former CIA director James Woolsey, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, FBI official Jim Fox, [t]he original lead official on the [1993 World Trade Center] case, U.S. District Judge Timothy Leonard [re Oklahoma City bombing] , Manhattan U.S. District Court Judge Harold Baer [re Iraq’s involvement in September 11], and U.N. weapons inspector Charles Duelfer. | | Reply To this Message
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dhudlud said this in post #50 :
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Page 12??! It's not a competition to see who can paste the most stuff from web sites. Do you think if you post enough it'll mean more?
Any chance YOU might pick a couple of points out or are you expecting anyone to read all this?
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| Posted by: scottc | | LOL.
My, my, you Bushies are still banging proven false information.
Have you ever heard of a guy called Ahmed Chalabi? He was the guy who fed false information and admitted it, to the US in order to justify an invasion. He came out and said that the false information was OK, because it served the greater goal of ousting Saddam. He was also the guy that said Salman Pak was a terrorist training ground. Of course, the fact that it was set up with western involvement, (including the British SAS), because Iraqi aircraft faced hijacking threats back in the eighties, apparently escaped you.
Now, please post evidence that comes from anyone that was not associated with Ahmed Chalabi.
Your rant sort of goes even more, (if possible), downhill when you start talking about Tim Mcveigh. This is so funny it does not even deserve a retort, other than pointing out the fact that Tim Mcveigh was an NRA nutcase, the NRA being the same organisation that stated before the 2000 elections, "if Bush wins the White House, the NRA will operate directly from the oval office". Mr Mcveigh also being someone that did what he did because he hated "big government" so much. Hmmm, now what political party promotes such hatred? Now if you are saying that Mr Mcveigh was in league with arab extremists, then you need to think that Mr Bush, as the leader of the party extolling the nutty virtues that drove him to do what he did, is just as much to blame. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Sean Kelly | | dhudlud - that was a major screw-up with your cut & paste editing work. If you want to try and fit more text into the post, please EDIT the post and SAVE it again rather than make a new post for each attempt as you ended up doing. I just spent the last few minutes deleting all the duplicate garbage. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | Sorry about that. I was trying to break up one long (albeit condensed) article that I had written into consecutive parts. However, I must have pressed the "post reply" button more than once for some of the parts, erroneously thinking that the first attempt did not work. | | Reply To this Message
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scottc said this in post #46 :
LOL.
My, my, you Bushies are still banging proven false information.
Have you ever heard of a guy called Ahmed Chalabi? He was the guy who fed false information and admitted it, to the US in order to justify an invasion. He came out and said that the false information was OK, because it served the greater goal of ousting Saddam. He was also the guy that said Salman Pak was a terrorist training ground. Of course, the fact that it was set up with western involvement, (including the British SAS), because Iraqi aircraft faced hijacking threats back in the eighties, apparently escaped you.
Now, please post evidence that comes from anyone that was not associated with Ahmed Chalabi.
Your rant sort of goes even more, (if possible), downhill when you start talking about Tim Mcveigh. This is so funny it does not even deserve a retort, other than pointing out the fact that Tim Mcveigh was an NRA nutcase, the NRA being the same organisation that stated before the 2000 elections, "if Bush wins the White House, the NRA will operate directly from the oval office". Mr Mcveigh also being someone that did what he did because he hated "big government" so much. Hmmm, now what political party promotes such hatred? Now if you are saying that Mr Mcveigh was in league with arab extremists, then you need to think that Mr Bush, as the leader of the party extolling the nutty virtues that drove him to do what he did, is just as much to blame. |
None of my material comes from Chalabi. Also a federal judge has found Saddam liable to September 11 victims based on the same evidence that I have used.
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scottc said this in post #46 :
LOL.
Your rant sort of goes even more, (if possible), downhill when you start talking about Tim Mcveigh. This is so funny it does not even deserve a retort, other than pointing out the fact that Tim Mcveigh was an NRA nutcase, the NRA being the same organisation that stated before the 2000 elections, "if Bush wins the White House, the NRA will operate directly from the oval office". Mr Mcveigh also being someone that did what he did because he hated "big government" so much. Hmmm, now what political party promotes such hatred? Now if you are saying that Mr Mcveigh was in league with arab extremists, then you need to think that Mr Bush, as the leader of the party extolling the nutty virtues that drove him to do what he did, is just as much to blame. |
You are apparently unaquainted with the history of the NRA (which so far as I know has nothing to do with Saddam's friend McVeigh). The NRA (as a creature of the Union Army), like the Republican Party (created by the opponents of slavery) was the enemy of the KKK (the latter being a creation of the Democratic Party during the Reconstruction Period used to coerce blacks into voting for the Democratic Party).
"NRA History
The NRA was founded shortly after the American Civil War by Union Army officers who were appalled by the lack of shooting skills among the Union soldiers during the war and determined to correct this problem by encouraging the shooting sports and marksmanship among the general population, including former slaves in the former slave states. This made the NRA very unpopular in the former slaves states and the NRA was considered an enemy by the Ku Klux Klan.
"Union Army Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate are the officially listed founders of the NRA. They were granted a charter from the state of New York on November 17, 1871. The first NRA president was Ambrose E. Burnside, a commander of the Army of the Potomac. Former US President Ulysses S. Grant, who had enacted the 1871 law declaring the Ku Klux Klan to be an illegal terrorist organisation, was elected president of the National Rifle Association in 1883. Nine of the NRA's first ten presidents had fought against slavery during the Civil War. Including: Gen. Winfield Scott Hancock, Gen. Phillip Sheridan. During Reconstruction, Gen. Sheridan removed hundreds of local officials from office in Louisiana and Texas for violating the rights of former slaves and for failing to enforce laws for their protection."
(http://www.fact-index.com/n/na/nati...ssociation.html)
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scottc said this in post #46 :
LOL.
My, my, you Bushies are still banging proven false information.
Have you ever heard of a guy called Ahmed Chalabi? He was the guy who fed false information and admitted it, to the US in order to justify an invasion. He came out and said that the false information was OK, because it served the greater goal of ousting Saddam. He was also the guy that said Salman Pak was a terrorist training ground. Of course, the fact that it was set up with western involvement, (including the British SAS), because Iraqi aircraft faced hijacking threats back in the eighties, apparently escaped you.
Now, please post evidence that comes from anyone that was not associated with Ahmed Chalabi.
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As I said, none of my material comes from Chalabi. Rather it comes from multiple independent sources, including defectors who were present at the Salmon Pak hijacker training.
For instance, "Sabah Khodada was a captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992. He worked at what he describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak ([url=java script:spawn('../etc/map.html',450,300)]see Khodada's hand-drawn map of the camp[/url]), an area south of Baghdad. In this translated interview, conducted in association with The New York Times on Oct. 14, 2001, Khodada describes what went on at Salman Pak, including details on training hijackers. He emigrated to the U.S. in May 2001.
"That was your reaction on September 11 -- that some of these people might be involved?
"I assure you, this operation was conducted by people who were trained by Saddam. And I'm going to keep assuring the world this is what happened.
"Osama bin Laden has no such capabilities. Why? Because this kind of attacks must be, and has to be, organized by a capable state, such as Iraq; a state where they can provide high level of training, and they can provide high level of intelligence to do such training.
"How could Osama bin Laden -- who's hiding in the middle of nowhere in Afghanistan in small caves and valleys -- train people and gather information and send people to do such high-level operation? We all know this is a high-level operation. This cannot be done by a person who does not even own a plane in Afghanistan, who cannot offer such training in Afghanistan. This is definitely done by a mastermind like Saddam. ...
"And the camp has a 707 that they train on?
"Yes, there's a real whole 707 plane, a whole real plane, standing in the middle of the training area in this camp.
"And they train people on how to get access to the cabin, to the crew?
"Yes.
"And how to take over the plane using weapons? How?
"They will get trained on how to get weapons inside the plane. If there is a security weakness that they know of, they will prefer to get weapons. But I am sure that, before the attack of September 11, those people made a very thorough study. And they learned that getting weapons into the plane might not be a very good idea. But in this camp, I saw them getting trained on this kind of situations where security will not allow you to get weapons into the plane -- then what you need to do is to use all available methods and very advanced terrorizing method.
"These methods are used to terrorize the passengers and the crew of the plane. They are even trained how to use utensils for food, like forks and knives provided in the plane. ... They are trained how to plant horror within the passengers by doing such actions. Even pens and pencils can be used for that purpose they were trained. They can do it, and they can overcome any plane because they are very well physically trained, and they are very strong, and they can do it. They can overtake a plane in a very efficient manner. ..."
(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...ws/khodada.html)
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| Posted by: scottc | | Ahh, of course, Sabah Khodada. Would this be the same Sabah Khodada whose information was dismissed by the CIA, and who is linked to the INC? (Of course the INC being headed by a mr Chalabi). Salman Pak was built with international cooperation in the eighties as an anti terror base. Parts of airplanes were found there because the Iraqi's were victims of hijackings. What part of this do you not understand? The so called "proof" that you are talking about has been discredited by the CIA. The INC enchouraged a number of people post 911 to produce false information about 911 and Iraq. This is because they wanted America to invade Iraq.
As for Mcveigh, I heard, (through a Chalabi friend), that a man with a small moustache speaking German was found to be cohorting with Saddam Hussein just after 911. Yes this is true. Saddam and Hitler were the best of friends. They reguarly lunched together with other mutual friends, the yorkshire ripper, Stalin, Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan, Judas Iscariot and Darth Vader.
Come to think of it, Gerry Adams has a beard like Saddam, hmm, maybe all of those IRA bombs that we have had to put up with for decades have all been as a result of Saddam too. Any ideas for anything else we can pin on Saddam? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: dhudlud | |
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scottc said this in post #53 :
Ahh, of course, Sabah Khodada. Would this be the same Sabah Khodada whose information was dismissed by the CIA, and who is linked to the INC? (Of course the INC being headed by a mr Chalabi). Salman Pak was built with international cooperation in the eighties as an anti terror base. Parts of airplanes were found there because the Iraqi's were victims of hijackings. What part of this do you not understand? The so called "proof" that you are talking about has been discredited by the CIA. The INC enchouraged a number of people post 911 to produce false information about 911 and Iraq. This is because they wanted America to invade Iraq.
As for Mcveigh, I heard, (through a Chalabi friend), that a man with a small moustache speaking German was found to be cohorting with Saddam Hussein just after 911. Yes this is true. Saddam and Hitler were the best of friends. They reguarly lunched together with other mutual friends, the yorkshire ripper, Stalin, Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan, Judas Iscariot and Darth Vader.
Come to think of it, Gerry Adams has a beard like Saddam, hmm, maybe all of those IRA bombs that we have had to put up with for decades have all been as a result of Saddam too. Any ideas for anything else we can pin on Saddam? |
So far you have provided no documentation for your claims which no doubt derive from dubious sources (such as Dan Rather, Moveon.org, or George Soros) ultimately dependent on Nazi (Baath Party) propaganda via Al Jazeera. Your claim that Saddam was using the plane to train Iraqis (whose lives he considered completely expendable) in Civil Defense sounds like a rationalization invented by the Baath Party. To give it any credence would be an exercise in naivete no less than would be belief in the Middle Eastern propaganda that blames September 11 on an Israeli plot.
In contrast, my article is well documented and comes from many independent sources. Furthermore, it pieces together many different aspects of the situation (e.g., Saddam's motive, his threats, his alliance with Al Qaida, his multiple (9) attacks on America, including, inter alia, the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and the 1995 attack on the Murrah Building, his participating in the planning of September 11, his setting up of the training camps, his financing of the hijackers including Muhammed Atta, his provision of Iraqi intelligence to hijackers, etc.) The reports as to the use of Salmon Pak for hjiacker training similarly comes from many sources. A small portion of this overwhelming evidence was enough for Saddam to be found liable in federal court.
Here is some more evidence (so far you have provided none in your effort to prove a negative).
http://www.ourjerusalem.com/opinion...n20031022b.html
Iraqi Weekly: Saddam Ordered Training of Al-Qa'ida Members
"The independent Iraqi weekly Al-Yawm Al-Aakher reveals details on the training of Al-Qa'ida members operating under the orders of Saddam's Presidential Palace two months before the September 11 attacks.
"The following are excerpts from the article: [1]
Training At Nahrawan and Salman Pak
"An Iraqi officer (L) [only identified by initial] tells us that one day a Land Cruiser belonging to the Personal Security Force (Al-Amn Al-Khass, responsible for the protection of Saddam Hussein) arrived and a senior officer from the Presidential Palace stepped out of it. He was one of those officers who used to stand behind Saddam, which means that he was one of [his] personal bodyguards. After a two-hour meeting with a select group of officers at the Special Forces School, we were informed that we would have dear guests, and that we should train them very well in a high level of secrecy - not to allow anyone to approach them or to talk to them in any way, shape, or form.
"A few days later, about 100 trainees arrived. They were a mixture of Arabs, Arabs from the Peninsula [Saudi Arabia], Muslim Afghans, and other Muslims from various parts of the world. They were divided into two groups, the first one went to Al-Nahrawan and the second to Salman Pak, and this was the group that was trained to hijack airplanes. The training was under the direct supervision of major general (M. DH. L) [only identified by initials] who now serves as a police commander in one of the provinces. Upon the completion of the training most of them left Iraq, while the others stayed in the country through the last battle in Baghdad against the coalition forces."
Al-Qa'ida Group Headed by a Saudi Cleric
"I remember that the leader of the group was a Saudi cleric called [Muhammad], who was a fervent and audacious individual and did not require much training. He was highly skilled, and could fire accurately at a target while riding a motorcycle. Additionally, he used to deliver fiery sermons calling for Jihad and for fighting the Americans anywhere in the world. Surprisingly, this man's picture, alongside the commander of the Special Forces School, was televised several times before the beginning of the war and the fall of the former regime."
Training Supervised by the Fedayeen Command
"...The Fedayeen command [Fedayeen Saddam under Uday's command] supervised the 100 Al-Qa'ida fighters directly, to the extent that senior Fedayeen officers visited them constantly and inspected them almost daily, especially during the final days when they transferred them, late at night in two red trucks that belonged to the Ministry of Transportation, to an undisclosed destination. I witnessed that with my own eyes because on that day I was the duty officer."
Al-Qa'ida Members Participated in Battles Against U.S. Forces
"A few days before the beginning of the last war, we were surprised to see the same people whom we had trained return to the Special Forces School and with them 100 additional individuals. The high command asked us to re-train them and to divide them into several groups to be deployed in various areas in Iraq.
"Truth be told, most of these individuals competed to go to war and to the front lines. [2] Therefore, under pressure they participated immediately in extremely fierce battles that astonished the Iraqis and the Americans."
With the 11th Division in the Area of Al-Kifl
"On April 5, 2003 orders were issued to send these individuals to the battle front immediately. About 100 of them were sent to the 11th company division in Nasiriya. And for the sake of history I will say that this division's endurance was due to some formidable fighters, the commanding officer and members of Al-Qa'ida who fought with intensity and brutality that are seldom matched, while they were praising Allah: Allahu Akbar… Allahu Akbar… What I mean by that are the violent battles that took place along the rapid highway for seventeen consecutive days and forced the Americans to withdraw and re-enter from the industrial area of Nasiriya … As for the groups which went to Al-Kifl, they participated in extremely brutal battles. Not many of them retreated and they sacrificed their lives to Apache [helicopter] fire, amid the admiration of the Iraqis and the Americans themselves. The proof is that some of them blew themselves up in the midst of American forces."
[1] Al-Yawm Al-Aakher (Iraq), October 16, 2003.
[2] According to the article, a number of the individuals also fought in Afghanistan: "Most of [the people] I talked to confirmed to me that they had come from Afghanistan and the Pakistani mountains, and that they were the ones who fought the Americans in Mazar Al-Sharif and Kabul.
This was a true experience that they translated into the reality of the fierce battles in Iraq."
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scottc said this in post #53 :
Ahh, of course, Sabah Khodada. Would this be the same Sabah Khodada whose information was dismissed by the CIA, and who is linked to the INC? (Of course the INC being headed by a mr Chalabi). |
Again where are your sources?
As for dismissal of the information "by the CIA," you appear to forget that the CIA has come under criticism for not connecting the dots (some of it undeserved since it has operated under handicaps imposed by Sen. Church, Jamie Gorelick of the Clinton Administration, et al.) During WWII the CIA's predecessor (the OSS) was infiltrated by the communists (which is one reason for the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion, etc.)
However, the CIA is only one part of our intelligence community (which also includes the more reliable DIA).
In addition, as to the War on Terror, there have been several factions within the CIA. Unfortunately, the dominant faction under Director Tenet appears to have been dominated by the dogmatic view that terrorist organizations operate independently of rogue states. (The alleged counter-terrorism expert Richard Clarke also appears to have been blinded by this view.)
Nevertheless, it remains that terrorist organizations (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, etc.) have been allied with and taken refuge in rogue states (Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran, etc.). Al Qaida has taken refuge in both Taliban Afghanistan (bin Ladin's faction) and Baath Party Iraq (Al Zarqawi's faction). Thus, the same rationale applies to both Afghanistan under the Taliban and Iraq under the Baath Party, which is a relic of German contacts during WWII, Saddam's uncle (who raised him) being a Nazi recruit, as was also the uncle of Yasser Arafat.
The more enlightened view which acknowledges the interdependence between terrorist organizations and rogue regimes is that held by former CIA official Laurie Mylroie. Ms. Mylroie has explored the links between Saddam's regime and the respective attacks on the World Trade Center.
In addition, James Woolsey, a former CIA Director under Clinton, does not appear to be under the illusions that dominated subsequent CIAs (under Deutsche and Tenet). Woolsey is of the opinion that Saddam is connected to the September 11 attack. He has also endorsed Jayna Davis' exposure of Saddam's connection to the attack on the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.
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| Posted by: scottc | | My, my you are clutching at straws. You critisize sources such as commondreams then go on in the next sentence to quote an opinion article from an Israeli web site. Guess what, certain people were to benefit greatly from the ousting of Saddam, such as Israel and the INC. So far the only credible source you have quoted is the new york times. If you were to look a little later you would have found this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/i...=5070&oref=regi
This is a full apology for the misreporting with regards to Salman Pak, and the uncredible sources they quoted.
The CIA intelligence problems were certainly not to do with not connecting dots, but rather in connecting dots that do not exist, (remember the WMD claim, or lack of). It also stems down to Bush having a fall guy for his administration cherry picking intelligence information.
I do not need to prove a negative, since you cannot provide any credible evidence about liars claims discredited by your own intelligence agency. Remember, the CIA do not have the underlying motives of the INC or Israel. (nor, incidentally, did the 911 commision which found no ties)
Now rather than trying to point a rather absurd finger at Iraq, why not look at Saudi. The majority of terrorists in 911, (including Bin Laden), are Saudi's. Why did we not bomb Saudi? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: JY_French | | We are now in november 2004. Soon 2 years will have passed by since the beginning of this invasion of Iraq. So far no significant evidence has been proposed by intelligence agencies to account for alledged possession by Saddam of WMDs or ties with Al Qaeda; on the contrary officials has stated lack of such evidence, such as Colin Powell himself, who was making the case against Saddam at the UNSC. Yet we still have individuals posting void accusations, pointing fingers, shifting blame in vain attempts to solidify their rantings.
Scott I admire you for your calm and argumented rebuttals. Personnally I give up. It is a waste of time to try to have some people opening their eyes on the obvious. | | Reply To this Message
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scottc said this in post #56 :
My, my you are clutching at straws. You critisize sources such as commondreams then go on in the next sentence to quote an opinion article from an Israeli web site. Guess what, certain people were to benefit greatly from the ousting of Saddam, such as Israel and the INC. So far the only credible source you have quoted is the new york times. If you were to look a little later you would have found this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/i...0&oref=regi
This is a full apology for the misreporting with regards to Salman Pak, and the uncredible sources they quoted.
The CIA intelligence problems were certainly not to do with not connecting dots, but rather in connecting dots that do not exist, (remember the WMD claim, or lack of). It also stems down to Bush having a fall guy for his administration cherry picking intelligence information.
I do not need to prove a negative, since you cannot provide any credible evidence about liars claims discredited by your own intelligence agency. Remember, the CIA do not have the underlying motives of the INC or Israel. (nor, incidentally, did the 911 commision which found no ties)
Now rather than trying to point a rather absurd finger at Iraq, why not look at Saudi. The majority of terrorists in 911, (including Bin Laden), are Saudi's. Why did we not bomb Saudi? |
Finally we learn that your source is the New York Times which gets its editors from the Clinton Administration. The New York Times has long taken an extreme left-wing line. It has been active in the Kerry campaign by trying to undermine Bush with a now discredited story which attempted to suggest that Saddam's weaponry supposedly was spirited off in areas already under control of U.S. troops.
The bias of the N.Y. Times has been exposed by no less a person than its former international editor Herman H. Dismore who wrote a book entitled "All the News that Fits" (a parody of the Times' famous slogan). Former Soviet spy Elizabeth Bentley once testified in Congress that when American communists could not access the Daily Worker for the current communist line, they were instructed to peruse the pages of the N.Y. Times. The N.Y. Times has long since lost the respect it once had from those who are not already a part of the hard core left. Thanks to its prostituted journalism, the Times
has gone from being known as "the grey lady" to "the grey madam."
As far as Saudi Arabia is concerned, it is a complex phenomenon. The royal family is divided as to its relations with the U.S., but the dominant part of it seems to desire peaceful relations with the U.S.. Recently the royal family which had tread a fine line with respect to the war on terror has become more active in trying to undermine Al Qaeda terrorism. Bin Ladin has long been an enemy of the royal family and has sought its overthrow. It is in our interests to keep that from happening.
It is curious that bin Ladin's aspirations as to Saudi Arabia parallel anti-Saudi propaganda in the U.S. intended to divert our attention from Iraq (no doubt traceable to bin Ladin's friends, such as perhaps yourself).
Like bin Ladin, Saddam also sought the overthrow of Saudi Arabia in 1991, but was frustrated by our intervention. Since 1991 bin Laudin and Saddam appear to have been on the same wave length with regard to the overthrow of the Saudi regime.
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JY_French said this in post #57 :
We are now in november 2004. Soon 2 years will have passed by since the beginning of this invasion of Iraq. So far no significant evidence has been proposed by intelligence agencies to account for alledged possession by Saddam of WMDs or ties with Al Qaeda; on the contrary officials has stated lack of such evidence, such as Colin Powell himself, who was making the case against Saddam at the UNSC. Yet we still have individuals posting void accusations, pointing fingers, shifting blame in vain attempts to solidify their rantings.
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Where are your sources? You have none except for media spin. Consider the following:
"June 18, 2004
"MEMORANDUM TO: OPINION LEADERS
"FROM: DANIEL McKIVERGAN, Deputy Director
"SUBJECT: September 11 Commission Staff Report
"With the release of the September 11 Commission staff report, I wanted to bring to your attention two noteworthy items.
"One is a federal indictment, released November 6, 1998, against Osama Bin Laden for conspiring to murder Americans. In detailing the charges against Bin Laden, the indictment points out that "al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq." Text of the indictment may be found here.
"In addition, yesterday, some media outlets mischaracterized the September 11 staff report's findings regarding the relationship between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda. In particular, the New York Times ran the headline, "'Panel Finds No Qaeda-Iraq Tie.'" Last night, Vice President Cheney responded to the September 11 staff report, and to the media's coverage of it. Selected excerpts from the Vice President's interview (full text available here) on CNBC's 'Capital Report' follow:
"'I disagree with the way their findings have been portrayed. [There] has been enormous confusion over the Iraq-al-Qaida connection.... First of all, on the question of whether or not there was any kind of a relationship, there clearly was a relationship. It's been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming. It goes back to the early '90s.
"'It involves a whole series of contacts, high-level contacts between Osama bin Laden and Iraqi intelligence officials. It involves a senior official, a brigadier general in the Iraqi intelligence service going to the Sudan before bin Laden ever went to Afghanistan to train them in bomb-making, helping teach them how to forge documents. Mr. Zarqawi, who's in Baghdad today, is an al-Qaida associate who took refuge in Baghdad, found sanctuary and safe harbor there before we ever launched into Iraq. There's a Mr. Yasin, who was a World Trade Center bomber in '93, who fled to Iraq after that and we found since when we got into Baghdad, documents showing that he was put on the payroll and given housing by Saddam Hussein after the '93 attack; in other words, provided safe harbor and sanctuary. There's clearly been a relationship....
"'Look at the Zarqawi case. Here's a man who's Jordanian by birth. He's described as an al-Qaida associate. He ran training camps in Afghanistan back before we went to war in Afghanistan. After we went in and hit his training camp, he fled to Baghdad. Found safe harbor and sanctuary in Baghdad in May of 2002. He arrived with about two dozen other supporters of his, members of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which was Zawahiri's organization. He's the number two to bin Laden, which was merged with al-Qaida interchangeably. Egyptian Islamic Jihad, al-Qaida, same-same. They're all now part of one organization. They merged some years ago. So Zarqawi living in Baghdad.... He was allowed to operate out of Baghdad. He ran the poisons factory in northern Iraq out of Baghdad, which became a safe harbor for Ansar al-Islam as well as al-Qaida fleeing Afghanistan. There clearly was a relationship there that stretched back over that period of time to at least May of '02, a year before we launched into Iraq. He is the worst offender. He's probably killed more Iraqis than any other man in Iraq today. He is probably the leading terrorist still operating in Iraq today....
"'He had been involved working side by side, as described by the CIA, with al-Qaida over the years. This is an old established relationship. He's the man who killed our man Foley in Jordan, an AID official, during this period of time. To suggest that there's no connection between Zarqawi, no relationship if you will, and Iraq just simply is not true.
"'I think the decision we made was exactly the right one. Everything I know today, everything the president knows today, we would have done exactly the same thing. Saddam Hussein was an evil man. He'd launched two wars. He'd produced and used weapons of mass destruction in the past. He had provided safe harbor and sanctuary for terrorists. He was paying $25,000 a pop to the families of suicide bombers who'd kill Israelis. He hosted Abu Nidal in Baghdad, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, had established a relationship with al-Qaida. This was an evil man who had tried previously to expand his influence in the area and we did exactly the right thing."
"Saddam unquestionably had ties to terrorists and terrorist organizations, including al Qaeda. If a different impression is left by the combination of a sloppy September 11 Commission staff report regarding this issue and biased media coverage, this should not go unchallenged. "
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | Here is another bit of enlightenment regarding the September 11 Commission:
"Only Connect
"From the August 2, 2004 issue: Findings on Iraq and al Qaeda in the final report of the 9/11 Commission.
"by Stephen F. Hayes
08/02/2004, Volume 009, Issue 44
"'THERE WAS NO QUESTION in our minds that there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda.'"
"Those are the words of Thomas Kean, the Republican co-chairman of the September 11 Commission. He made the statement on July 22, 2004, 10 days after a New York Times headline declared, '9/11 Report Is Said to Dismiss Iraq-Qaeda Alliance,' and a month after another headline in the same paper blared, 'Panel Finds No Qaeda-Iraq Tie.'
"The second of those stories came as part of the wide wave of media coverage that dismissed the Iraq-al Qaeda connection after a 9/11 Commission staff statement concluded that the available evidence did not suggest a 'collaborative relationship.' The staff statement was poorly worded and vague, and reporters long dubious of an Iraq-al Qaeda relationship trumpeted the findings as definitive proof that the Bush administration had exaggerated the connection. The Los Angeles Times reported that the staff statement was the "most complete and authoritative dismissal" of the Bush case on Iraq-al Qaeda.
"But the commission's final report presents a much more complicated picture. It cites repeated 'friendly contacts' and details numerous high-level meetings between the regime of Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda terrorists. It demolishes the claims of former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke that there was 'no evidence' of Iraqi support for al Qaeda--in part by publishing excerpts of internal White House emails in which Clarke himself directly makes an Iraq-al Qaeda connection. The final report also amends the staff statement in two important ways, finding only
"'no collaborative operational relationship' and specifying that these contacts did not indicate 'that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States.'
"The report provides details of several of the 'friendly contacts,' including meetings throughout the mid-1990s which suggest the outreach between Iraq and al Qaeda went both ways. In March 1998, 'two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence.' The public learns for the first time of a trip taken by Iraqi officials to Afghanistan in July 1998 in which they met first with representatives from the Taliban and later with bin Laden. According to the report, 'sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through bin Laden's Egyptian deputy, [Ayman al] Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis.' (THE WEEKLY STANDARD reported in November 2003 that Zawahiri met with Saddam Hussein in 1992. And, according to an interrogation of a senior Iraqi Intelligence official, Zawahiri received $300,000 from the Iraqi regime in 1998.)
"This new information is helpful. But the report contains several gaping holes with respect to the Iraq-al Qaeda relationship. Its overview of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center makes no mention of Abdul Rahman Yasin, an Iraqi who has admitted mixing the chemicals for that attack. And in seeking to rule out any Iraqi involvement in the September 11 attacks, the panel allowed its conclusions to race ahead of the available evidence by relegating the intriguing story of Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, an Iraqi present at a key 9/11 planning meeting, to a single, dismissive footnote."
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | [QUOTE]scottc said this in post #53 :
[B]Ahh, of course, Sabah Khodada. Would this be the same Sabah Khodada whose information was dismissed by the CIA, and who is linked to the INC? (Of course the INC being headed by a mr Chalabi).
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See the following article:
June 02, 2004, 8:45 a.m.
An Unapologetic Apology:
The Times is only sorry it wasn’t more antiwar.
By Christopher S. Carson
Last week, the New York Times issued an unusual mea culpa about the history of its Iraq coverage. This strange self-flagellation was published in multiple newspapers around the United States, and gained wide coverage in the blogosphere. Unfortunately, America's "paper of record," in the wake of a steady accumulation of evidence of Iraqi WMD stocks and programs, and ties to al Qaeda, was not apologizing for the near-uniform negativity of its assessments of the Bush administration's pre-war intelligence. The Times is sorry it wasn't negative enough.
The "Correction" article, published on May 26, started out with a healthy dose of self-hugging. "We found an enormous amount of journalism that we are proud of," it read. "In most cases, what we reported was an accurate reflection of the state of our knowledge at the time, much of it painstakingly extracted from intelligence agencies..."
KICK THE ANTI-CHALABI COVERAGE UP A NOTCH
But "looking back," the correction stated, "we wish we had been more aggressive in re-examining the claims as new evidence emerged — or failed to emerge." The Times believes that its "problematic articles" shared a common feature: They relied on those Iraqi "anti-Saddam campaigners" hanging around Ahmad Chalabi and his Iraqi National Congress. The Times regrets that it and certain U.S. officials "fell for misinformation" from these "exile sources." The only exile named is Chalabi.
The logical extension of this surmise, then, is that the Times should have run even more anti-Chalabi hit pieces than it has already. But how could it? Almost every anti-Chalabi claim ever spun by the unnamed desk-bound solons in the CIA and State Department, no matter how ill-founded, found an instant national audience in the Times's pages. For example, the headline of Douglas Jehl's article on September 29, 2003, screamed that our spy "Agency Belittles Information Given by Iraq Exiles," especially Ahmad Chalabi. Other Douglas Jehl stories, all pre-dating Chalabi's "fall" in May 2004, read, "Pentagon Pays Iraq Group, Supplier of Incorrect Spy Data," and, "Stung by Exiles' Role, C.I.A. Orders a Shift in Procedures." The Times, on the other hand, had no comment about General Richard Meyers's recent testimony before Congress, in which he baldly stated that Chalabi's INC had "saved American lives" time and again by its accurate intelligence about anti-coalition forces.
SALMAN PAK
The correction article enumerated a few examples of not being liberal enough: In the autumn of 2001, "page 1 articles cited Iraqi defectors who described a secret Iraqi camp where Islamic terrorists were trained and biological weapons produced." But alas! "These accounts have never independently been verified," and thus presumably should never have even been reported. Implication? The "defectors" were probably lying. The weekend correction piece tried to make the "secret Iraqi camp" even more willowy and insubstantial by not giving it a name — which, of course, was Salman Pak.
I don't accept the Times's premise here. Indeed, as a trial attorney, "verifying" the existence and true purpose of Salman Pak in, say, a court of law would be one of the easier things I could manage. The fact that the Salman Pak terrorist-training school, 25 kilometers south of Baghdad, was first brought to the attention of the world through the INC ought to boost Chalabi's credibility before any reasonable jury. How? Let's look at the evidence.
Interviewed about Salman Pak by the Times and PBS's Frontline in October of 2001, Iraqi defector and army Captain Sabah Khodada had this to say about the purpose:
Training is majorly on terrorism. They would be trained on assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism.
Khodada pointed out that there was even a camp-within-the-camp devoted entirely to the training of foreign jihadists. Who were these people? His answer: "They look like they're mostly from the Gulf, sometimes from areas close to Yemen, from their dark skin..."
The airplane-hijacking courses were especially intensive, Khodada recalled. The foreign terrorists would later break into small groups and study the local language of the target nation, such as Hebrew or English. Asked about the 9/11 attacks of the previous month, Khodada was adamant:
I assure you, this operation was conducted by people who were trained by Saddam. And I'm going to keep assuring the world this is what happened. Osama bin Laden has no such capabilities. Why? Because these kind of attacks must be, and have to be, organized by a capable state, such as Iraq; a state where they can provide high level of training, and they can provide high level of intelligence to do such training.
The camp has a "real whole 707 plane, a whole real plane, standing in the middle of the training area in this camp," Captain Khodada related. This 707 was used to teach terrorists how to take over commercial airliners and subdue and terrorize the pilots and crew with materials already available on the aircraft, such as plastic knives, pencils, and the like.
Saddam's government, of course, denied even that an airplane existed 25 kilometers southeast of Baghdad. Iraq's U.N. ambassador, Mohammed Aldouri, smiled genially and told Frontline in the fall of 2001: "I am lucky that I know the area, this Salman Pak. This is a very beautiful area with gardens, with trees," Aldouri said. "It is not possible to do such a program there, because there's no place for planes." Who ultimately turned out to be more credible — Captain Khodada, or Ambassador Aldouri?
The New York Times apparently believes that Saddam's man at the U.N., Ambassador Aldouri, must have been telling the truth all along. Khodada and the other defector, although no evidence ever surfaced to discredit them, must have lied — apparently because the prince of darkness, Ahmad Chalabi, brought them out to talk to the press. But if the Times was remiss in its coverage, it was not for reporting on Khodada's story. The bias was for not reporting the corroboration of Khodada's story.
If the CIA had photos of Salman Pak at that time, it chose not to release them to the public in the wake of the Times/Frontline story, perhaps for fear of validating Ahmad Chalabi. A private U.S. satellite-photo company, Space Imaging, then searched its archives and duly found a photo showing the Boeing 707 parked in the Salman Pak compound. There was no airstrip in sight. The private Space Imaging photo, amazingly, exactly matched the personal drawing Captain Khodada had made for the 2001 Times/Frontline story — before the photo was retrieved. Evidently Captain Khodada must have had extraordinary telepathic drawing capabilities.
In reading the "Correction" lamenting the supposedly nonexistent "verification" of Salman Pak, it's obvious that the Times forgot what the UNSCOM inspectors discovered about Salman Pak during the mid-'90s. Then-deputy UNSCOM chief Charles Duelfer, who now heads the Iraq Survey Group searching the country for WMDs, personally visited the terrorism camp around 1995 and saw the Boeing. "He saw the 707, in exactly the place described by the defectors," the liberal-leaning London Observer reported. "The Iraqis, he said, told UNSCOM it was used by 'police' for counter-terrorist training." "Of course we automatically took out the word 'counter'," Duelfer explained. "I'm surprised that people seem to be shocked that there should be terror camps in Iraq. Like, derrrrrr! I mean, what, actually, do you expect?"
Even before Duelfer visited Salman Pak, UNSCOM had a file on it. A U.N. team that toured one of the "campus" buildings in 1994 found a decontamination shower and airlock doors, which were obvious hallmarks of a high-risk environment. Sensing something big was being concealed, the inspectors attempted to excavate a recently dug and refilled trench there, looking for something that had been quickly buried in anticipation of their arrival. The digging met with what inspectors called a "nearly hysterical" Iraqi reaction. Saddam called in compliant Sunni mullahs to declare the barren stretch of sand "sacred" and off limits. UNSCOM backed down. Salman Pak kept its secrets.
If Ahmad Chalabi, Captain Khodada, Space Imaging, Inc., and UNSCOM Deputy Chief Charles Duelfer were presumably all lying or misled about Salman Pak, the Iraq war itself would have exposed this unlikely conspiracy. For example, at the location of the mystery camp, the Marines who conquered this area during the three-week war would find no 707 jetliner parked in the sand. Unfortunately for the Times, they did.
In April 2003, advance elements of the 3rd Marine Battalion shelled the camp, and then overran it. They corroborated the defectors' reports in striking detail. "The rusted shell of an old passenger jet sat out in a field, its tail broken off," the Associated Press embed reported. "The passenger plane's sun-bleached fuselage lay alone in a large, barren field. A fire engine sat at one intersection. Elsewhere, the twisted metal wreck of a double-decker bus stood near three decrepit green and red train cars."
There was a lot of chatter among the captured foreign jihadists in Iraq about Salman Pak. As U.S. Army spokesman Brigadier General Vincent Brooks told reporters that week at his regular press briefing, "The nature of the work being done by some of those people that we captured, their inferences to the type of training that they received, all of these things give us the impression that there was terrorist training that was conducted at Salman Pak."
To believe that Salman Pak was not a terrorism graduate school for al Qaeda members and affiliates like Abu Musab Zarqawi, you have to imagine that the Boeing 707, the double-decker bus, and the train cars found by the Marines must really have been put there for a bizarre Iraqi remake of the American movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
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— Christopher S. Carson is a Milwaukee attorney in private practice.
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| Posted by: dhudlud | | www.nationalreview.com/comment/carson200406020845.asp
June 02, 2004, 8:45 a.m.
An Unapologetic Apology
The Times is only sorry it wasn’t more antiwar.
By Christopher S. Carson
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URANIUM AND ROCKETS SURE LOOK LIKE WMD...
The Times next "criticize[d]" itself not for reporting on a claim about Iraq's large-scale efforts at procuring high-strength aluminum tubes, but for reporting on the challenges to this claim half-way through its lengthy article. Apparently, the Times believes it was supposed to criticize the uranium-enrichment claim at the beginning of the article — before it described the basic claim itself. The key dispute was not the purchasing of the tubes; everyone acknowledged that. The dispute was that the United States asserted that these tubes were for a uranium-enrichment program, and Iraq maintained that these tubes were simply for firing conventional rockets.
Once again, the Times forgets about the U.N. resolutions prohibiting Iraq from ordering or having high-strength tubes at all. Iraq was thumbing its nose at the U.N., and enduring billions of dollars of lost oil revenue per year as a result, so it could buy tubes for small conventional rockets, as now claimed by IAEA head Mohammed al-Baradei? The New York Times apparently now believes this claim, in retrospect, to have been so self-evidently true that the Times should not even have given the Bush administration's conclusions about uranium enrichment the dignity of a discussion.
UNSCOM and the IAEA historically had a more nuanced picture of Iraq's nuclear capabilities, to say the least. When Saddam booted the U.N. inspectors in 1998, the IAEA was able to confidently conclude that although there were as yet
"no indications to suggest that Iraq was successful in its attempt to produce nuclear weapons," it was the case that "Iraq was at, or close to, the threshold of success in such areas as the production of highly enriched uranium through the EMIS process, the production and pilot cascading of single-cylinder sub-critical gas centrifuge machines, and the fabrication of the explosive package for a nuclear weapon (emphasis added).
In other words, it's not as if the idea hadn't occurred to Saddam. But when it became clear that America was using Saddam's tube-procurement as an argument for going to war, the current IAEA head Mohammed al-Baradei definitively switched course and told the world that he believed the tubes were for little rockets.
Finally the Times feels bad that it "never followed up on the veracity" of a certain Iraqi chemical-weapons scientist, who told the U.S. troops in the wake of the invasion last year that Saddam had "destroyed chemical weapons and biological warfare equipment" only days before the invasion, that Saddam had transported WMDs to Syria, its fellow Baathist terror regime, and that Saddam had cooperated with al Qaeda.
For once in its mea culpa, the Times got it right, though not for the reason it thinks. The paper surely should have investigated these claims. If it had done so, it might have learned that the chief of Israeli military intelligence, in addition to David Kay of the Iraq Survey Group, CentCom itself, and at least two former Iraqi intelligence officials have now reported evidence of Saddam's late pass-off of the WMDs to Syria. These recent lines of evidence include specific locations of WMD stockpiles within Syria, and, most recently, in the Bekka Valley in Syrian-occupied Lebanon as well.
If Times editors were really interested in unbiased reporting from Iraq, it might have "followed up on the veracity" of dozens of former regime officials who have made startlingly consistent and intransigent claims about the depth of the threat from Iraq, especially concerning Iraq's operational links in logistics, training, finance, and manpower support for Osama bin Laden and his murderers. A few more trips outside of the Green Zone and into Salman Pak for Times reporters would have made a world of difference in the Gray Lady's Iraq coverage.
— Christopher S. Carson is a Milwaukee attorney in private practice.
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scottc said this in post #53 :
Salman Pak was built with international cooperation in the eighties as an anti terror base. Parts of airplanes were found there because the Iraqi's were victims of hijackings. What part of this do you not understand?
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See the following article:
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"Tuesday, June 01, 2004
"Defending Judith Miller
"In response to the mea culpa Sunday by New York Times public editor Daniel Okrent relating to the Gray Lady's reportage leading up to the Iraq war,The New York Sun, a rival paper, has taken the unusual step of defending Times reporter Judith Miller in an editorial. As usual, the Sun asks questions others won't.
"The Times management and other critics of the reporting by Ms. Miller and her colleagues seem to give Saddam the benefit of the doubt. Certain things just don't add up. If Salman Pak was really a counterterrorism training camp, what were Egyptians doing there? Couldn't Egypt get counterterrorism training from America? And with Saddam claiming that U.N. sanctions were starving his people, did he really need to spend money on mobile weather balloon trucks? Was Zarqawi's block of cyanide salt for electroplating jewelry? Was the sarin shell accidentally waylaid? Did the biological weapons scientist just decide to take some work home with him at night?
'The kind of information Ms. Miller and her colleagues were bringing in strikes us as highly newsworthy. It's hard to imagine that after September 11 many Americans would be willing to stake their safety on the notion that Saddam's forces and foreign fighters running around a passenger plane fuselage were engaged in "counter-terrorism" training. Or on the idea that Saddam's trucks with chemical tanks were used to inflate "weather balloons." Imagine how a newspaper would look if it buried that information "the sarin, the cyanide salt, the mobile labs, the plane fuselage, the botulinum” and an attack took place. It would be a journalistic and a national security error far worse than anything of which Ms. Miller or the Times have been accused.
''It is unfortunate that the Times chose to specifically single out Judith Miller for her pre-war news stories. She is an excellent reporter of the highest quality and integrity and was only doing her job.'
# posted by Adam : 8:57 AM
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scottc said this in post #56 :
My, my you are clutching at straws. You critisize sources such as commondreams then go on in the next sentence to quote an opinion article from an Israeli web site. Guess what, certain people were to benefit greatly from the ousting of Saddam, such as Israel and the INC. |
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Among other sources of Saddam's training of the September 11 terrorists, we have Iraqi intelligence documents:
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Iraqi Documents Show Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties
Scott Wheeler, CNSNews.com
Monday, Oct. 4, 2004
Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com, show numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al-Qaida, to target Americans.
The documents demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq. And the papers show that Iraq trained dozens of terrorists inside its borders.
One of the Iraqi memos contains an order from Saddam for his intelligence service to support terrorist attacks against Americans in Somalia. The memo was written nine months before U.S. Army Rangers were ambushed in Mogadishu by forces loyal to a warlord with alleged ties to al-Qaida.
Other memos provide a list of terrorist groups with whom Iraq had relationships and considered available for terror operations against the United States.
Among the organizations mentioned are those affiliated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri, two of the world's most wanted terrorists. Zarqawi is believed responsible for the kidnapping and beheading of several American civilians in Iraq and claimed blame for a series of deadly bombings in Iraq Sept. 30. Al-Zawahiri is the top lieutenant of al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden, allegedly helped plan the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist strikes on the U.S., and is believed to be the voice on an audio tape broadcast by Al-Jazeera television Oct. 1, calling for attacks on U.S. and British interests everywhere.
The Source
A senior government official who is not a political appointee provided CNSNews.com with copies of the 42 pages of Iraqi Intelligence Service documents. The originals, some of which were hand-written and others typed, are in Arabic. CNSNews.com had the papers translated into English by two individuals separately and independent of each other.
There are no handwriting samples to which the documents can be compared for forensic analysis and authentication. However, three other experts - a former weapons inspector with the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), a retired CIA counter-terrorism official with vast experience dealing with Iraq, and a former advisor to then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton on Iraq - were asked to analyze the documents. All said they comport with the format, style and content of other Iraqi documents from that era known to be genuine.
Laurie Mylroie, who wrote the book "Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein's Unfinished War Against America," and advised Bill Clinton on Iraq during the 1992 presidential campaign, told CNSNews.com that the papers represented "the most complete set of documents relating Iraq to terrorism, including Islamic terrorism" against the U.S.
Mylroie has long maintained that Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism against the United States. The documents obtained by CNSNews.com, she said, include "correspondence back and forth between Saddam's office and Iraqi Mukhabarat [intelligence agency]. They make sense. This is what one would think Saddam was doing at the time."
Bruce Tefft, a retired CIA official who specialized in counter-terrorism and had extensive experience dealing with Iraq, said that "based on available, unclassified and open source information, the details in these documents are accurate ..."
The former UNSCOM inspector zeroed in on the signatures on the documents and "the names of some of the people who sign off on these things.
"This is fairly typical of that time era. [The Iraqis] were meticulous record keepers," added the former U.N. official, who spoke with CNSNews.com on the condition of anonymity.
The senior government official, who furnished the documents to CNSNews.com, said the papers answer "whether or not Iraq was a state sponsor of Islamic terrorism against the United States. It also answers whether or not Iraq had an ongoing biological warfare project continuing through the period when the UNSCOM inspections ended."
Presidential Campaign
The presidential campaign is currently dominated by debate over whether Saddam procured weapons of mass destruction and whether his government sponsored terrorism aimed at Americans before the U.S. invaded Iraq last year. Democrat nominee Sen. John Kerry has repeatedly rejected that possibility and criticized President Bush for needlessly invading Iraq.
"[Bush's] two main rationales - weapons of mass destruction and the al-Qaida/September 11 connection - have been proved false ... by the president's own weapons inspectors ... and by the 9/11 commission," Kerry told an audience at New York University on Sept. 20.
The Senate Intelligence Committee's probe of the 9/11 intelligence failures also could not produce any definitive links between Saddam's government and 9/11. And United Nations as well as U.S. weapons inspectors in Iraq have been unable to find the biological and chemical weapons Saddam was suspected of possessing.
But the documents obtained by CNSNews.com shed new light on the controversy.
They detail the Iraqi regime's purchase of five kilograms of mustard gas on Aug. 21, 2000 and three vials of malignant pustule, another term for anthrax, on Sept. 6, 2000. The purchase order for the mustard gas includes gas masks, filters and rubber gloves. The order for the anthrax includes sterilization and decontamination equipment.
The documents show that Iraqi intelligence received the mustard gas and anthrax from "Saddam's company," which Tefft said was probably a reference to Saddam General Establishment, "a complex of factories involved with, amongst other things, precision optics, missile, and artillery fabrication."
"Sa'ad's general company" is listed on the Iraqi documents as the supplier of the sterilization and decontamination equipment that accompanied the anthrax vials. Tefft believes this is a reference to the Salah Al-Din State Establishment, also involved in missile construction.
Jaber Ibn Hayan General Co. is listed as the supplier of the safety equipment that accompanied the mustard gas order. Tefft described the company as "a 'turn-key' project built by Romania, designed to produce protective CW [conventional warfare] and BW [biological warfare] equipment [gas masks and protective clothing]."
"Iraq had an ongoing biological warfare project continuing through the period when the UNSCOM inspections ended," the senior government official and source of the documents said. "This should cause us to redouble our efforts to find the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction programs."
'Hunt the Americans'
The first of the 42 pages of Iraqi documents is dated Jan. 18, 1993, approximately two years after American troops defeated Saddam's army in the first Persian Gulf War. The memo includes Saddam's directive that "the party should move to hunt the Americans who are on Arabian land, especially in Somalia, by using Arabian elements ..."
On Oct. 3, 1993, less than nine months after that Iraqi memo was written, American soldiers were ambushed in Mogadishu, Somalia by forces loyal to Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid, an alleged associate of Osama bin Laden. Eighteen Americans were killed and 84 wounded during a 17-hour firefight that followed the ambush in which Aidid's followers used civilians as decoys.
An 11-page Iraqi memo, dated Jan. 25, 1993, lists Palestinian, Sudanese and Asian terrorist organizations and the relationships Iraq had with each of them. Of particular importance, Tefft said, are the relationships Iraq had already developed or was in the process of developing with groups and individuals affiliated with al-Qaida, such as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri. The U.S. is offering rewards of up to $25 million for each man's capture.
The documents describe Al-Jehad wa'l Tajdeed as "a secret Palestinian organization" founded after the first Persian Gulf War that "believes in armed struggle against U.S. and western interests." The leaders of the group, according to the Iraqi memo, were stationed in Jordan in 1993, and when one of those leaders visited Iraq in November 1992, he "showed the readiness of his organization to execute operations against U.S. interests at any time."
Tefft believes the Tajdeed group likely included al-Zarqawi, whom Teft described as "our current terrorist nemesis" in Iraq, "a Palestinian on a Jordanian passport who was with al-Qaida and bin Laden in Afghanistan prior to this period [1993]."
Tajdeed, which means Islamic Renewal, "has a Web site that posts Zarqawi's speeches, messages, claims of assassinations and beheading videos," Tefft told CNSNews.com. "The apparent linkages are too close to be accidental" and might "be one of the first operational contacts between an al-Qaida group and Iraq."
Tefft said the documents, all of which the Iraqi Intelligence Service labeled "Top secret, personal and urgent," showed several links between Saddam's government and terror groups dedicated not only to targeting America but also U.S. allies such as Egypt and Israel.
The same 11-page memo refers to the "re-opening of the relationship" with Al-Jehad al-Islamy, which is described as "the most violent in Egypt," responsible for the 1981 assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. The documents go on to describe a Dec. 14, 1990 meeting between Iraqi intelligence officials and a representative of Al-Jehad al-Islamy, that ended in an agreement "to move against [the] Egyptian regime by doing martyr operations on conditions that we should secure the finance, training and equipments."
Al-Zawahiri was one of the leaders of Jehad al-Islamy, also known as Egyptian Islamic Group, and participated in the assassination of Sadat, Tefft said. "Iraq's contact with the Egyptian Islamic Group is another operational contact between Iraq and al-Qaida," he added.
One of the Asian groups listed on the Iraqi intelligence memo is J.U.I., also known as Islamic Clerks Society. The group is led by Mawlana Fadhel al-Rahman, whom Tefft said is "an al-Qaida member and co-signed Osama bin Laden's 1998 fatwa (religious ruling) to kill Americans." The Iraqi memo from 1993 states that J.U.I.'s secretary general "has a good relationship with our system since 1981 and he is ready for any mission." Tefft said the memo shows "another direct Iraq link to an al-Qaida group."
Iraq had also maintained a relationship with the Afghani Islamist party since 1989, according to the memo. The "relationship was improved and became directly between the leader, Hekmatyar and Iraq," it states, referring to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghani warlord who fought against the Soviet Union and current al-Qaida ally, according to Tefft.
Last year, American authorities in Afghanistan ranked Hekmatyar third on their most wanted list, behind only bin Laden and former Taliban leader Mullah Omar. Hekmatyar represents "another Iraqi link to an al-Qaida group," Tefft said.
The Iraqi intelligence documents also refer to terrorist groups previously believed to have had links with Saddam Hussein. They include Palestine Liberation Front, a group dedicated to attacking Israel, and according to the Iraqi memo, one with "an office in Baghdad."
Abu Nidal
The Abu Nidal group, suspected by the CIA of having acted as surrogates for Iraqi terrorist attacks, is also mentioned.
"The movement believes in political violence and assassinations," the 1993 Iraqi memo states in reference to the Abu Nidal organization. "We have relationships with them since 1973. Currently, they have a representative in the country. Monthly helps are given to them - 20 thousand dinars - in addition to other supports," the memo explains. (See Saddam's Connections to Palestinian Terror Groups)
Iraq not only built and maintained relationships with terrorist groups, the documents show it appears to have trained terrorists as well. Ninety-two individuals from various Middle Eastern countries are listed on the papers.
Many are described as having "finished the course at M14," a reference to an Iraqi intelligence agency, and to having "participated in Umm El-Ma'arek," the Iraqi response to the U.S. invasion in 1991. The author of the list notes that approximately half of the individuals "all got trained inside the 'martyr act camp' that belonged to our directorate."
The former UNSCOM weapons inspector who was asked to analyze the documents believes it's clear that the Iraqis "were training people there in assassination and suicide bombing techniques ... including non-Iraqis."
Bush Administration Likely Unaware of Documents
The senior government official and source of the Iraqi intelligence memos, explained that the reason the documents had not been made public before now was that the government has "thousands and thousands of documents waiting to be translated.
"It is unlikely they even know this exists," the source added.
The government official also explained that the motivation for leaking the documents "is strictly national security and helping with the war on terrorism by focusing this country's attention on facts and away from political posturing."
"This is too important to let it get caught up in the political process," the source told CNSNews.com.
To protect against the Iraqi intelligence documents being altered or misrepresented elsewhere on the Internet, CNSNews.com has decided to publish only the first of the 42 pages in Arabic, along with the English translation. Portions of some of the other memos in translated form are also being published to accompany this report. Credentialed journalists and counter-terrorism experts seeking to view the 42 pages of Arabic documents or to challenge their authenticity may make arrangements to do so at CNSNews.com's headquarters in Alexandria, Va.
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