Western Powers Create Saddam Menace

Post-9/11 Era Forum

The US is hypocritical to say that Saddam is a threat
to world peace, the US and other western countries
have supported his weapons programs in the past:

The information, appearing in Die Tageszeitung in Berlin, was immediately reported in The Independent, (“Leaked Report Says German and US Firms Supplied Arms to Saddam,” Dec.18, 2002, London), which disclosed that “eighty German firms and 24 US companies are reported to have supplied Iraq with equipment and know-how for its weapons programs from 1975 onwards and in some cases support for Baghdad’s conventional program had continued until last year.” The list included corporations involved in the production of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, as well as rockets and missiles, such as: Honeywell, Spektra Physics, Semetex, TI Coating, UNISYS, Sperry Corp., Tektronix, Rockwell, Leybold Vacuum Systems, Finnifan-MAT-US, Hewlett Packard, Dupont, Eastman Kodak, Bechtel, International Computer Systems, American Type Culture Collection, Consarc, and others. Die Tageszeitung disclosed that “these companies are shown to have supplied entire complexes, building elements, basic materials and technical know-how for Saddam Hussein’s program to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction,’” and with these, ‘rockets and complete conventional weapons systems.’”

Also, listen to this:

The American Gulf Veterans’ charges against the U.S. Sec of Defense, cited above, were based on evidence that had been accruing since the early-1990s. That evidence came out of 1992 and later hearings held in the Senate under the Chairmanship of Donald Riegle investigating “U.S. Chemical and Biological Exports to Iraq and Their Possible Impact on the Health Consequences of the Persian Gulf War.” Considered in conjunction with the hearings held under the Chairmanship of Representative Henry Gonzalez in the House Banking Committee, they implicated the Reagan and Bush administrations in Iraq’s accumulation of weapons of mass destruction.

These are from Dying to Forget, whose URL is:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showart...=15&ItemID=3233

This, and other information shows that the US and
other countries are just as badas Saddam, I mean
we helped him develop all his weapons that he used
against the Kurds and others in Iraq. Bush's
reason for attacking Iraq is nonsense !!!


usanowar

This is news to nobody.

It's almost humorous when people discover some profound piece of information that they think is going to change the way the whole world perceives the situation here.

It was no secret: the U.S. openly supported the Iran-Iraq war, during which time, the U.S. opened trade with Iraq to purchase whatever the heck they wanted from American companies. It just so happened the Iraq, at the time led by Saddam Hussein, puchased millions of dollars worth of helicopters and other tactical components from companies in the U.S. - SO WHAT.

What's your point? You say the U.S. is the ultimate hypocrite? Bull. Saddam was permitted to make purchases from U.S. companies which happened to support his cause at the time which the U.S. supported. Perhaps, indeed, the U.S. is guilty of self-victimization in adopting the stance of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", but that makes us hypocrites? NO.

Hypocrites are the types of people who say one thing and do another. Hypocrites are the type of people who say "I love you" and open fire when you turn your back. The U.S. made what is in HINDSIGHT perhaps a political mistake in making such an assumption about the enemey of the enemy -- for which, based on the principle of hindsight, NOBODY may be held accountable-- , but "hypocrites" that does not make us. At the time, the situation with Iran was volatile, and Iraq balanced that equation somewhat in terms of the interests of the U.S. In the end, Saddam Hussein micro-managed his warfare assets, including those provided to him by the U.S. throught purchases from domestic companites, and turned them against us. And for that you call us hypocrites. NO.

If that screwball is going to perform some off-the-wall maneuvers, it doesn't matter who supplied him with the means, he is going to have to face the music. If a man purchases a hangun in America touting the "right to bear arms" and shoots some soccer mom point blank in the face, the country does not need to face up to hypocricy for delivering the handgun to that man in the first place, but rather must take that guy down and deal with him individually, since he's the jackass who pulled the triger. I love analogies; they always work.

That is a gangster attitude ! The kind of morality used
by the Mafia. ****, support any genocidal maniac, as long as he is an enemy of your enemy ! We should have
supported Hitler, even though he exterminated millions
of people, if he was an enemy of our enemy ! How does
Christianity fit in with all of this !

usanowar

Is it just me, or are most of the anti-war people completely ignorant ? On CNN today there was a Vietnam War protester, who is now a talk show host, even he made the point that most of these people have really no clue what they are talking about. It is evident, by the comments posted above that "usanowar" falls into this grouping.

Retsep:

How is it that I have no clue about what I am talking about ? I mean, what kind of values do you have ?
Maybe it is just a cultural thing. Things that I think are terrible you think are OK. What right do we have to support a dictator because he is fighting a war against
the Iranian Muslim extremists ? What kind of morality is
that ? Is that conservative, Christian ? Why is it absolutely necessary that we fight against the Iranian
regime by supporting a genocidal dictator ?

usanowar

usanowar, we don't support Saddam any more...we haven't for over a decade.

As for why should we have supported him when we did. During the Iran-Iraq War America's support of Iraq was totally justified. This time, it was for the oil. The Soviet Union was supporting Iran, therefore, we had to support Iraq so that the Middle East would have not fallen behind the red cutrain. This wasn't "conservative christianiy" is was democracy vs communism. We won in the end, therefore the means were justified.

We're appeasing Israel.

We're gaining Iraq because we're going to install some phony balony puppet government that's controled by us.

Not well deserved revenge. The only thing that Saddam has in common with Osama is skin tone. That's why this is a racist revenge.

Big oil doesn't have a problem in Iraq. They're just getting some big oil contracts.

By puppet regime, I'm talking about a government that's controlled by the US but made to look independant like Afganistan.

Retsep, I've tried to educate you on some of the things that are going on out there, but you just keep saying the same old ignorant things over and over. Why bother debating if you're just going to ignore the facts? Would it take an act of God to make you people see that this war isn't just?

I was about to debtate your points, 1 by 1 until I came the the third point. For the record, I am an American, Americans are made up of all colors and creeds. This war has nothing to do with racism (even if the Patriot Act does). To even imply that is ridiculous.


Also, regarding your reference to Afganistan...Would you prefer to have the Taliban rule Afganistan ? because that's your alternative.

This is entirely to idiotic to even respond to.