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Posted by: Marc Flemming

Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors.

The documents, given to International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei, indicated that Iraq might have tried to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger, but the agency said they were "obvious" fakes.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell referred to the documents directly in his presentation to the U.N. Security council outlining the Bush administration's case against Iraq.

"I'm sure the FBI and CIA must be mortified by this because it is extremely embarrassing to them," former CIA official Ray Close said.

Responding to questions about the documents from lawmakers, Powell said, "It was provided in good faith to the inspectors and our agency received it in good faith, not participating ... in any way in any falsification activities."

"It was the information that we had. We provided it. If that information is inaccurate, fine," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday.

"We don't believe that all the issues surrounding nuclear weapons have been resolved [in Iraq]," he said.

How were forgeries missed?
But the discovery raises questions such as why the apparent forgeries were given to inspectors and why U.S. and British intelligence agents did not recognize that they were not authentic.

Sources said that one of the documents was a letter discussing the uranium deal supposedly signed by Niger President Tandja Mamadou. The sources described the signature as "childlike" and said that it clearly was not Mamadou's.

Another, written on paper from a 1980s military government in Niger, bears the date of October 2000 and the signature of a man who by then had not been foreign minister of Niger in 14 years, sources said.

"The IAEA has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts that these documents -- which formed the basis for the reports of recent uranium transactions between Iraq and Niger -- are not in fact authentic," ElBaradei said in his March 7 presentation to the U.N. Security Council.

Close said the CIA should have known better.

"They have tremendously sophisticated and experienced people in their technical services division, who wouldn't allow a forgery like this to get by," Close said. "I mean it's just mystifying to me. I can't understand it."

A U.S. intelligence official said that the documents were passed on to the International Atomic Energy Agency within days of being received with the comment, " 'We don't know the provenance of this information, but here it is.' "

If a mistake was made, a U.S. official suggested, it was more likely due to incompetence not malice.

"That's a convenient explanation, but it doesn't satisfy me," Close said. "Incompetence I have not seen in those agencies. I've seen plenty of malice, but I've never seen incompetence."

Who made the forgeries?
But the question remains -- who is responsible for the apparent forgeries?

Experts said the suspects include the intelligence services of Iraq's neighbors, other pro-war nations, Iraqi opposition groups or simply con men.

Most rule out the United States, Great Britain or Israel because they said those countries' intelligence services would have been able to make much more convincing forgeries if they had chosen to do so.

President Bush even highlighted the documents in his State of the Union address on January 28.

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa," Bush said.

U.S. officials said that the assertion by the president and British government was also based on additional evidence of Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium from another African country. But officials would not say which nation and a knowledgable U.S. official said that there was not much to that evidence either.

Source: CNN

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Posted by: Sable

this one was proven false, now we need to ask ourself about the others.

even more when thousands of deaths come as a result.

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Posted by: skippy

I posted a message about these false documents the other day but nobody believed me. They always want "proof". These documents are just a string in a giant web of lies by the Bush administration.

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Posted by: Sean Kelly

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Originally posted by Sable
this one was proven false, now we need to ask ourself about the others.


Other what, exactly?

Nobody questions the graeveness of the situation, I think - but question what? Is Saddam Hussein really a friggin' Saint made out to look bad by fraudulent documentation? Hardly. Yeah, yeah - question authority, investigate everything - that's what they're doing. We The People don't need to do a darn thing n this front except try to dismiss what has already been presented before us, just as a jury would 'try" to dismiss the evidence in a murder case that was not properly obtained from a crime scene.

Ultimately, the damage is done. This is now a tamptered jury since everyone has seen the "evidence" that Saddam was pursuing purchase of enriched Uranium which is, of course, for the production of nuclear arms, and there's no amount of back-peddling that's going to make people forget that mental image of Saddam going for the goods.

Despite that, what would you have us challenge instead? That Saddam harbors terrorists? That North Korea offered him political assylum? (What good friends they must be, how sweet! ) That Saddam trains assasins and brainwashes people into making the United States and its citizens targets of their aggression? What more?
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Posted by: Paranoid

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Originally posted by Marc Flemming
Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors.


Who has not got nuclear weapons......big deal.....the pakis have em the Indians have them........China has em.......Russian has em....Your previous president had a deadly weapon down his pants for years, ( Only joking Bill,,,,little golf joke you know....I think he used to call it Big Betha..........) Big deal again, come out from hiding under your beds American people .......what are you scared of.........??????I believe in freedom unfortunately your country has reached a dangerous stage of looking at itself in the mirror........Whaco Jacko will second me on that.......Texas presidents check out all their histories and all you will see is carnage dating back decades.....think about it Texas still gives humans the electric chair, I still find that hard to believe in 2003...( BARBARIC PEOPLE.) , where was Kennedy murdered not assasinated Dallas...Texas, WACO ( A prime example of a state ran by too many ROCKYS.)......LBJ had the American public paranoid about the Communists for years during the Texan Vietnam War, with a little help from his friends of course.......look I live in a free country but the way I see Texas (oil, oil oil, daddy will be pleased, its fairly obvious to me and millions of people overseas like myself, your state is like an Emu......... At certain times of the day believe it or not to protect its eyes from the light it inserts its head up its cake hole........not painful either because its used to doing it...all the little gay people will probably understand my drift.....quite an incredible site actually....( the emus I mean not the gays.......a little bit messy after lunch but then again its a bird brain ( the poor simple bastards would not know the difference.) like many in Texas, they would not know whats going on outside their own radiarse...unfortunately these morons are going to take a lot of innocent lives from other countrys with them on their quest for glory..........the WACO wankers.......you quote a lot.........These organisations you have started decades ago are your own worst enemy in time....... I don't expect you to know what I am talking about, but in time they will be so competative with each other America will more than likely, have lots of fun and games ahead knowing who and what to believe.......a bit like a Lion and a Tiger in a cage........now thats what I call interesting.....even more interesting than the silly old Emu with brown tips on it feater heads........I hope you wake up and not keep immitating emus Uncle Sammy.......good luck....
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Posted by: zid

Yes and the Neo-Nazi skin heads rampage, destroy, hurt, kill, etc. etc. etc. many people on a routine basis.

Nice group of folks that reside in Europe huh...=P

Yeah, we have our problems...we are the root of all evil in this world.

As I've already said in several posts...lets just bring home all the American military forces abroad and keep em home.

If someone invades another...welp...let someone else deal with it...its not our problem...since we are soooo evil. We shoulda never went to Vietnam, WWII, Gulf War 1....shoulda just stayed out of eveyrone elses business. Pull outta NATO, SHAPE, and even the UN...hell move the UN HQ to France...they have all the proper and good ideas.

No one bothers the US with their "political and economical" problems, we don't bother anyone else....draft up some trade agreements and thats about it.

That should make quite a few folks happy.

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Posted by: Marc Flemming

And at the same time - let's pull out all foreign aid. Keep the money in the family - that should make them happy, too. (right?)

Lord knows there is plenty of money coming in from elsewhere.

:wink:

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Posted by: Search4Truth

Not suprised at all

everything in this push for war is a lie

wasn't colin powels dosier plagerized at his UN speech also

THIS ADMINISTRATION WAS CREATED BY LIES (bush stole the election)

what do you expect?

Bush is about to lie again this week, if he doesn't get a 2nd resolution

"ITS TIME TO SHOW YOUR CARDS"
****ing lying bastard
"WAR IS MY LAST OPTION"
lying sack of ****

NY times did an article recently on all the times GWB has lied to the american people

which makes me wonder, why so many people trust him

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