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Posted by: Sean Kelly

here is a photo of the fabled Aluminum tubes:

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I59795-2003Mar07L

It is captioned, "A slide shown by U.S. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell to the U.N. Security Council shows aluminum tubes that Powell said were intended to be used to build the centrifuges needed to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.".

The photo has been delivered to media by the State Department.

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I sure would like to hear more on their argument about the strict manufacturing tolerances and how & why those are important to Uranium enrichment centrifuges - and if that's the case, why would one store such precision gear so haphazardly, all piled up on one another in a wooden crate like that? I must say, I've worked with some precision instrumentation in my career and things a LOT less significant than Uranium enrichment centrifuge parts are packed and handled FAR more carefully than one would handle an infant.

those tubes stacked in a crate the way they are makes me think that perhaps, indeed, they are not of such exacting tolerances that the U.S. claims..

anyway, it doesn't seem like such a black and white matter to me now seeing this image..

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Posted by: Edward Teach

Why would you need strict tollerances for a missile?

So are you in the aluminum tube business? How would they be packaged if they were for centrfuge's?

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Posted by: Edward Teach

A gas centrifuge plant is set up in order to enrich UF6 of natural isotopic composition in 235U. The
centrifuges, which each have a length of 100 cm and a diameter of 20 cm, rotate at 40000 rpm. The gas
temperature is 70 deg.C.

After the above there is a lot of chicken scratchin'

http://book.nc.chalmers.se/EXERCISE...DFS/EX02-11.PDF

I wonder what the specs are on the Iraqi tubes.

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Posted by: Sean Kelly

quote:
Originally posted by goots
Why would you need strict tollerances for a missile?


exactly my point: why WOULD you need strict tolerances for a missle? This question challenges the idea that the tubes actually meet strict tolerances at all.

quote:

So are you in the aluminum tube business? How would they be packaged if they were for centrfuge's?


Well if you need credentials, I am an engineer, though I am not specifically in the "aluminum tube business". My engineering knowledge tells me that for a centrifuge runing at 40000RPM you need DAMN PRECISE tolerances in order to ensure that the centrifuge is in perfect balance and doesn't create harmonic vibrations that would destroy the machine in short order.

In the context of aluminum tubes for this application, "precise tolerances" would include 20 cm diameter +/- 0.01 mm, 100cm length +/- 0.03 mm, an exact, PERFECTLY uniform wall thickness of 2-5mm (whatever it may be) +/- 0.01 mm, and PERFECT cylindrical shape, all but length being properties of precision aluminum extrusion. Further, the resulting tubes would probably be pre-stressed, perhaps forged - at least that's what I'd do.

From what I see in that image, and based on the dimensions you posted, I'd say it appears that they are packed 2-up (end-to-end) in rolled packing tubes. If it were me, and the application were as described above, I would pack them such that minimal stress is present on any given tube. I would accomplish this by running a packing tube through the center of each which is, say 120cm in length, and suspend each tube individually in a latticework of packing material that restrains the 10cm of excess at the end of each tube. This would ensure that each tube is perfectly preserved and not subjected to undo stress.

By contrast, I see a crate with a stack of "something" wrapped on the outside, butted end-to end, the bottom items clearly bearing the weight load of all those items items stacked above them - would you keep eggs in your refridgerator stacked in this manner?
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Posted by: Edward Teach

Good information, that's why I asked because I didn't know. Thanks.

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Posted by: Sean Kelly

quote:
Originally posted by goots
Good information, that's why I asked because I didn't know. Thanks.


.. as a disclaimer, that's just my hypothetical explanation and viewpoint based on unknown real-world information. I don't know what the exact specs are on the Iraqi tubes.. at first glance I'd thought that the specs you posted were them, but I see now they're just "similar" based on a centrifuge application.
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