Should we warn the women and children of Iraq |
| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | | What are some feelings/ opinions on the possibly of harming women and children of Iraq. Do you think that we should
warn these people as much as we do? Should we be spending so much money to spread leaflets all over, telling
people what to do and where not to go during this "battle time" | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Caps#1 | | I would not be too worried about it, the US will not target innocent civilains | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | | No I guess my whole point is......are they so innocent?? You see already children trained to behave in the same manor
as their father or uncle. Hiding weapons and holding anti-American testaments in the street. When are we following
too many "rules" of war. They obviously do not care about our women and children. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Caps#1 | | very true, and truth be told i don't care about theirs. the thing is if we kill any there would be a huge outcry and all of the anti-war people would go crazy and call us child killers | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | | I see that point as well. In fact in my book it seems to be the only reason why our government does take such efforts to protect them. But they will grow up to be terrorist just like their daddy was. When the brain washing hapens at such a young age, there is often little hope for change down the road. It's not a good thought to have, but I am for the war, whatever needs to be done. Hopefully there will be resolution and not so many deaths, on either sides really. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Caps#1 | | very true, did you see the pic of a baby that was strapped to a bomb? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | | no I am afraid that I missed that.
This is all such a dilemma, because they are still people. I just happen to feel "not so bad" about taking them out. Maybe that speaks volumes about my character. Whatever. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | | The whole reason I stumbled onto this website was really during a search for stats on what countries support our efforts of war. Does anyone know a good link, or know who's on the "big list"? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: skippy | |
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Originally posted by Caps#1
I would not be too worried about it, the US will not target innocent civilains |
That doesn't matter. About 15% of the dead durring Desert Storm were innocent men, women, and children. But most of that 15% were women and children taking shelter from bombs. The death of one is a tragedy, the death of thousands is a statistic.
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| Posted by: skippy | |
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Originally posted by Caps#1
ok, this fact means nothing |
The death of 15,000 innocent women and children means nothing to you? What kind of evil sicko are you?
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| Posted by: Caps#1 | | thats right, it means nothing because it is totally off thetopic of iraq, and what kind of physco are u, get a life | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: skippy | |
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Originally posted by Caps#1
thats right, it means nothing because it is totally off thetopic of iraq, and what kind of physco are u, get a life |
OK, you've just lost all credibility. You're just a jerk that doesn't care about anything but yourself.
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | | Well this is not my fight here (caps vs skippy).....but just to name 1......think world trade center. 9-11
Sorry.....you can call me evil-sicko as well. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Caps#1 | | ok, skippy you are really getting me angry if you care about their citizens so much go over there and be a Human Shield. LAMO | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: skippy | |
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Originally posted by Caps#1
ok, skippy you are really getting me angry if you care about their citizens so much go over there and be a Human Shield. LAMO |
Ok, coward. If you think this war is so noble then why don't you sign up? Better yet, why don't you send a loved one?
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| Posted by: skippy | |
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Originally posted by desadorian'sgal
Well this is not my fight here (caps vs skippy).....but just to name 1......think world trade center. 9-11
Sorry.....you can call me evil-sicko as well. |
1. that makes zero sense
2. 9/11 has nothing to do with Saddam. The only thing the terrorists and Iraqi's have in common is skin tone you racists.
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| Posted by: skippy | | I'm out of here for now. I'll see what kind of right wing, flag waving, foreigner hating propaganda you've posted later Caps. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | | okay......I don't think he is saying that war is some big noble thing. sure no one would want to send their family members over there.......but last I heard the military is voluntary???
And what I said does make sense. I don't care about anyone who doesn't care about me and my own. Period. 9-11 pissed me off. I am sorry if I feel that they are all connected in many ways.
You know people are entitled to feel differently than you, doen't mean that they are crazy or a sicko. I don't think that anyone on this board was being so bold as to say blow them all up, I didn't hear anyone saying, great kill kill kill. You are reading what you want out of this whole thing....problem is you are not reading what everyone else is really saying. People see what they want to see. Period. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Sean Kelly | |
Is it really necessary to fling such stupid, insulting remarks around, people? I mean, honestly. The whole point of this board is to OPENLY discuss differences of opinion, so please, enough flame-shooting, already!
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| Posted by: waterboy | | hey SKippy i'm a evil sico too i hate u and all of those dirty ragheads in Iraq kill em all i could care less they would do the same to us So [BLEEPED]! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Marc Flemming | |
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Originally posted by skippy
9/11 has nothing to do with Saddam. The only thing the terrorists and Iraqi's have in common is skin tone you racists. |
And another thing - terrorists have his support.
After the Khobar Towers bombing in 1996, Saddam came on Iraqi radio and said, "The U.S. should send more coffins to Saudi Arabia , because no one can guess what the future has in store."
Apparently he can.
After the US Cole bombing off Yemen, Saddam said on state controlled Iraqi TV, "Iraqis should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means..."
"It is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of a hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything... One chemical weapon fired in a moment of despair could cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands... "
In 1994 he proclaimed in an Iraqi newspaper, "Our striking arm will reach America, Britain and Saudi Arabia before they know what hit them."
His obsession with WMD has been made clear in the past. He should not ever be allowed to be in the position of negotating arms deals with the same terrorists he supports.
In Saddam's own words, "If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians, how much will the size of losses in 50 states within 100 cities if it were attacked in the same way in which New York and Washington were? What would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities? ... September 11 was God's punishment.
"The United States must get a taste of its own poison..."
Do the math.
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| Posted by: skippy | |
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Originally posted by waterboy
hey SKippy i'm a evil sico too i hate u and all of those dirty ragheads in Iraq kill em all i could care less they would do the same to us So [BLEEPED]! |
Hey, your not too far from Ohio. How would you like to come here and say that ****?
Or are you just some message board tough guy?
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| Posted by: skippy | |
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Originally posted by Marc Flemming
And another thing - terrorists have his support.
After the Khobar Towers bombing in 1996, Saddam came on Iraqi radio and said, "The U.S. should send more coffins to Saudi Arabia , because no one can guess what the future has in store."
Apparently he can.
After the US Cole bombing off Yemen, Saddam said on state controlled Iraqi TV, "Iraqis should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means..."
"It is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of a hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything... One chemical weapon fired in a moment of despair could cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands... "
In 1994 he proclaimed in an Iraqi newspaper, "Our striking arm will reach America, Britain and Saudi Arabia before they know what hit them."
His obsession with WMD has been made clear in the past. He should not ever be allowed to be in the position of negotating arms deals with the same terrorists he supports.
In Saddam's own words, "If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians, how much will the size of losses in 50 states within 100 cities if it were attacked in the same way in which New York and Washington were? What would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities? ... September 11 was God's punishment.
"The United States must get a taste of its own poison..."
Do the math. |
Saddam (as evil as he may be) has a right (along with the Iraqi people) to hate the US. Because of US sanctions on Iraq, hundreds of thousands of children have died of curable deseases and starvation. Why punish innocent children for what the leader does? Besides, anyone (who isn't trying to make a case for war) will tell you that Saddam couldn't successfully attack us if he wanted to. Also, it would take as much as 10 years for Saddam to develope a WMD without inspectors in the country. As long as inspectors are in the country, it's impossible for them to start developing such weapons.
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| Posted by: skippy | | Ok, I responded back.
PS - They don't have to block food for children to die from starvation and malnutrition.
Being in denial doesn't help any. You know it seems like instead of people being seriously concerned about their fellow human and trying to find out more about this stuff. People would rather let it pass in one ear and out the other. That and surf the web for some reason why it's not our fault or isn't true. Is that all you guys care about? There's people dying out there and all you people can think about is how you're going to justify it in your mind and to others. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dreamzwalker | | Saddam bogarts the money or else the kids would have it. This has been going on for years and the UN has even admitted it. Perhaps a small amount will change now that the UN is present in the capital, but I doubt it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: skippy | |
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Originally posted by Dreamzwalker
Saddam bogarts the money or else the kids would have it. This has been going on for years and the UN has even admitted it. Perhaps a small amount will change now that the UN is present in the capital, but I doubt it. |
Yes, Saddam is an evil mo fo, we get it, but that has nothing to do with the sanctions.
If you're interesting in finding out more about how the US enforced sanctions have affected Iraq go here: http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Econ...ctions/on_Iraq/
If you're interested in just blaming Saddam and not holding our government accountable, then stay here 
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| Posted by: Dreamzwalker | | hahaha - there are so many mis-edits and type-os 
If your going solely off this, I am sorry.
There appears to be some respectable information - but if you can sign up to be an editor, a person can change any verbatim they want. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | |
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Originally posted by skippy
Yes, Saddam is an evil mo fo, we get it, but that has nothing to do with the sanctions.
If you're interesting in finding out more about how the US enforced sanctions have affected Iraq go here: http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Econ...ctions/on_Iraq/
If you're interested in just blaming Saddam and not holding our government accountable, then stay here |
Okay........I'm up for a constructive, discussion if you are?I went to the suggested site.http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Econ...ctions/on_Iraq/[/url] So..... since I am new
here, help me get an understanding of where you are coming from. You seem to be fairly intelligent person, so tell me
what actions, in general of course, you would like the US government to take with the "War on Terror" and Saddam H. Yes, they are two different situations, but obviously closely related at this current time. What kind of outcome
would you like to see, but in a realistic manner?
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| Posted by: pooftee | |
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Originally posted by Caps#1
thats right, it means nothing because it is totally off thetopic of iraq, and what kind of physco are u, get a life |
Before you try to post maybe you could learn how to spell. Its psycho slick.
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| Posted by: skippy | |
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Originally posted by desadorian'sgal
Okay........I'm up for a constructive, discussion if you are?I went to the suggested site.http://dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Econ...ctions/on_Iraq/[/url] So..... since I am new
here, help me get an understanding of where you are coming from. You seem to be fairly intelligent person, so tell me
what actions, in general of course, you would like the US government to take with the "War on Terror" and Saddam H. Yes, they are two different situations, but obviously closely related at this current time. What kind of outcome
would you like to see, but in a realistic manner? |
The international community is willing to handle Saddam and Iraq logically. There is no rush. Saddam cannot develope WMD while inspectors are there. So why not let the system work instead of taking the law into our own hands. We helped set up the system and now it's time that we obeyed international law.
The US is really making itself look guilty by not cooperating with the rest of the world. The whole world is suspicious of our intentions. We haven't provided any (not fake) evidence supporting our claims and we really haven't even provided any logical explainations other than obsurd references to an Al Queda/Saddam link.
There must be international law for countries to abide by or else there will be international anarchy. Just because we're not getting our way for once doesn't mean we have to throw a fit and break the law.
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | |
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Originally posted by skippy
The international community is willing to handle Saddam and Iraq logically. There is no rush. Saddam cannot develope WMD while inspectors are there. So why not let the system work instead of taking the law into our own hands. We helped set up the system and now it's time that we obeyed international law.
The US is really making itself look guilty by not cooperating with the rest of the world. The whole world is suspicious of our intentions. We haven't provided any (not fake) evidence supporting our claims and we really haven't even provided any logical explainations other than obsurd references to an Al Queda/Saddam link.
There must be international law for countries to abide by or else there will be international anarchy. Just because we're not getting our way for once doesn't mean we have to throw a fit and break the law. |
I can appreciate your opinion, but it seems inevitably that we will disagree on some top key points. Actually I am all for patience, as it is a virtue. Yet eventually there will come a point when choice or action will need to be taken, that point seems to be growing nearer.......come on now, how long have we been going back in forth with this issue.......
I don;t believe that all of out "evidence" is fake! That's not to say that the wool has never been pulled over our eyes before; however, I feel that there is more truth than lies given to us by our government. Personally I feel that the Bush has put so much on the line, there must me some great backing behind it. Meaning he seems less concerned with being a politician as much as being a stong devoted LEADER for this country. To me that speaks volumes of his charactor. Obviously there are anti-war americans out there, including yourself, yet it seems he doesn't really care about a reelection or campaigning.......he is worried about our safety, livelihood, and helping others break free from a dishonorable monster who has played his people as if they were puppets. Maybe it's just me but our last president had his moments.....he often seemed more interested in practicing his depositions for court and tv interviews than he did with national security!
The US is not making itself look guilty, it's holding the torch for all who are too weak r scared to fight for their safety and security. You made the point that while the UN were there nothing would get assembled/built. Whatever......but what happens when if they shut then out again, as they have in the past. Then what? Seems to be the same problem over and over. the conflict betweent he US and Iraq has been going on for a very long time now. Regardless of who's fault it......maybe it is both the US and Iraq's fault, equally......but the time is here! It's unfortunate but it is a matter of time before they will strike, as we are the DEVIL in their eyes and our meer existance is offensive and disgusting to them. It's only a matter of time. That my friend does not sit well with me! So although Bush was not my favorite president, I am a supporter of him and all that advise him. I will hope that while others have different opinions, unity is what can not be broken. Or those against us will have won the battle.
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| Posted by: Rebel | | Nasty arguments and name calling. Cant we all just get along. hahahahaha. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | |
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Nasty arguments and name calling. Cant we all just get along. hahahahaha. |
Hey........I have not called any names!!! However, a few pages back I was called a racist for really no reason!! That wasn't nice of him at all. 
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| Posted by: DrPoke | |
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Originally posted by desadorian'sgal
Personally I feel that the Bush has put so much on the line, there must me some great backing behind it. Meaning he seems less concerned with being a politician as much as being a stong devoted LEADER for this country. To me that speaks volumes of his charactor. |
Observing from outside the USA I can't say I rate George W. Bush as a great leader, no offense to the guy. His speeches always seem to be a bit basic and immature, I almost feel if he gets a bit stuck for words he just shouts "gawd bless A-merica" and everyone in the crown cheers, and says "what a great leader". From what I've seen of your finances he's put you a couple of trillion in national debt. It seems to be advisers and big business which are running the show over there, he seems like a puppet at times, poor guy. Do you see him differently?
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | | Well yes I do see him differntly. By all means I don't believe that he or anyone else is perfect. There will always be something that others do not like. As I stated before, at first he was not my first choice for President; however he was the top pick for me at the time, as there was no other I like more. I don't believe that he is a puppet, infact I think that the appointment of his key people was a strategic move on his part.
Truthfully this country is all about big buisness seems that it will always be about that.......people from texas have a way of doing things all their own. ha ha ha
Really though, the "god bless america" thing is soley based upon 9-11. People all of the sudden realized what it is like to have such horror so close to home. Flags are everywhere now, more than ever before. So when any leader.....well anyone doing public speaking uses the "god bless" or "united we stand" those kinds of phases it brings a responce from anyone!! I think that it's unfortant that 9-11 is sometimes used to gather people's attentions for other purposes, than talking about 9-11. Hope that makes sense?
Overall I do not think he is doing poorly at being a strong leader. Hell, even though I didn't like Clinton or all of his personal affairs.....he did okay as well. It's difficult job to say the very least and I feel that there are plenty of intelligent people around to advise him when needed. What do you think of Blair>? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: DrPoke | | I was mainly conservative in most of my views and when I heard Blair talking for the Labour party before he was elected I wished he was a conservative as his speech was amazing. He is certainly a great talker and believable, coming across as genuine. He has proved himself as a great diplomat and seems to have respect from other leaders. He's been portayed by some as a control freak, by-passing Parliament on some descisions.
Regarding Iraq, he seems to be taking a great gamble, mainly with his own party and the UK people. He will probably survive as he is held in great regard by most of the country. Funnily enough most of his support at the moment is coming from the opposition conservatives, who are bang up for the war. He certainly seems to be one of the best PM's we've had for ages, mind you I can only really remember Maggie Thatcher and she was blinding aswell. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: desadorian'sgal | | Well I would agree with you on the fact that he comes across genuinely. And yes it seems that he has taken a a huge risk!!! Actually, no offense, it was very surprising really that he has taken such chances.
Oh and going back to Bush........I think his speeches have gotten much better. There was some major question in my mind about hi public speaking at first, but has since become more confident. I try to give everyone the benifit of the doubt, even though he is "the man", everyone thinks that he should be perfect all the time........ at the end of the day he is just a person like you and I. We all have our faults as well as our strong points, I just hope that he will see us through whatever is to come. Really, I am sure that he will. | | Reply To this Message
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