What have we unleashed in Iraq? |
| Posted by: DaveDom | | Just a thought:
Saddam used to be the US's and West's good buddy in the ME, certainly amongst the Arabs.
Now it seems that supporting him and keeping him in power might have kept a tight grip on much of the more radical Islamic fundamentalist minorities in the country. Plus of course the country during his reign was secular, like the West.
Now by gettin rid of Saddam could we have actually unleashed something much more dangerous, the possibility of a far larger and greater anti-western radical Islamic fundamentalism that could bring nations together that were once enemies?
This could well become a problem if Bush decides to pull out of Iraq soon, and this is not so far fetched because there is talk of this happening, maybe even if Saddam is killed, America could say the job is done, lets go home.
What would you pro-war guys think if he did pull out prematurely. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: ickle | | Thank you, Nostradamus.
There are aboslutely no indications that the US will "pull out early." However, it can be an effective strategy for avoiding pregnancy.
I am not pro-war. I am anti-Saddam, anti-terrorist and pro-Iraq.
You, on the other hand, appear to be pro-chaos and pro-suffering as these are the only things you ever predict. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: DaveDom | | Now that's funny - you accuse me of being pro-chaos and and pro-suffering. Take a look in the mirror - it's Bush and his moronic crew going in to Iraq half-cocked that's caused all the chaos and suffering.
And equally as bad they are creating perhaps the most perfect breeding ground and attraction for every terrorist organisation that holds a grudge against the west and the united states. This was supposed to be about decreasing terrorism but already it appears Iraq is could well become the centre of it. With Bush and Rumsfeld in charge I can hardly predict anything but chaos and suffering.
As for Bush pulling out, only yesterday on the news I heard talk that if Saddam was killed it would give America a chance to say the job was complete. I don't think that will happen but then again. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: frenchfries | |
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Originally posted by DaveDom
Just a thought:
Saddam used to be the US's and West's good buddy in the ME, certainly amongst the Arabs.
Now it seems that supporting him and keeping him in power might have kept a tight grip on much of the more radical Islamic fundamentalist minorities in the country. Plus of course the country during his reign was secular, like the West.
Now by gettin rid of Saddam could we have actually unleashed something much more dangerous, the possibility of a far larger and greater anti-western radical Islamic fundamentalism that could bring nations together that were once enemies?
This could well become a problem if Bush decides to pull out of Iraq soon, and this is not so far fetched because there is talk of this happening, maybe even if Saddam is killed, America could say the job is done, lets go home.
What would you pro-war guys think if he did pull out prematurely. |
Got the feeling that a bloody Pandora's box was opened.
And I reckon that this point of view is shared by more and more people, except by the prowar guys, who desperatly try to justify a war they started, but also just can't put an end to it.
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| Posted by: nowar | | The answer to the question:
the nightmare for Iraqi and the troops .... and as frenchfries said, the pandora box ....
As I said a long time before:
you (pro-war and Bush Jr the stupid) don't know where you put your finger .....
but now you can't remove your finger from ......
and be patient, it will take a long long time before you will be able to remove it and once you will you will keep it away from all these type of situation ......
until another stupid president will forget that ......  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Americaaah | | A future for the Iraqi people—and the region. Much as you pathetic propagandists try you cannot falsify this simple reality.
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| Posted by: nowar | | simple reality: mess, complete mess, nowhere, insecurity, dead soldiers everyday, need more money from international community which will go in the US companies pocket - so US gov -, more troops from international community to secure the country - what you can't do - in order to let the rebuilding companies - 99% US companies - to come in Irak and start the rebulding process while saying to this international community: shut your mouth ....
simple reality ..... yes, you are so right aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh
by the way, aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh is maybe the last thing the soldiers and civilians say before dying ............
the war is over isn't it aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh ? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Charles | |
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Originally posted by frenchfries
Got the feeling that a bloody Pandora's box was opened.
And I reckon that this point of view is shared by more and more people, except by the prowar guys, who desperatly try to justify a war they started, but also just can't put an end to it. |
Most western countries, and obviously ME autocrats, want most of all to see the US fail, get its finger stuck, or whatever you want to call it. There is very little regard for the Iraqi's themselves. This was the case before the war as well. Leave Saddam in power, let the sanctions continue to destroy people, etc., etc.
The obvious solution is to remove Saddam. Show overwhelming solidarity. Get the job done!
This solidarity would undermine the support for the radicals and turn the tide. But instead of doing this, you prefer to poke and criticize everything, rejoice in the suffering (come on - admit it!), and hope that the US loses resolve.
There is a big battle being fought right now - and not just with guns. The result will determine the future of the ME and will have implications for the rest of the world for years to come.
@nowar - previously you mocked the idea that Saddam supported terrorism. It is common knowledge to everyone that Saddam supported terrorism . Or do you consider the deliberate blowing to pieces of civilians as a normal legitimate everyday activity??? What you lack in honesty you sure make up for in blind cynicism...
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| Posted by: DaveDom | |
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Originally posted by Charles
Most western countries, and obviously ME autocrats, want most of all to see the US fail, get its finger stuck, or whatever you want to call it. There is very little regard for the Iraqi's themselves. This was the case before the war as well. Leave Saddam in power, let the sanctions continue to destroy people, etc., etc.
The obvious solution is to remove Saddam. Show overwhelming solidarity. Get the job done!
This solidarity would undermine the support for the radicals and turn the tide. But instead of doing this, you prefer to poke and criticize everything, rejoice in the suffering (come on - admit it!), and hope that the US loses resolve.
There is a big battle being fought right now - and not just with guns. The result will determine the future of the ME and will have implications for the rest of the world for years to come.
@nowar - previously you mocked the idea that Saddam supported terrorism. It is common knowledge to everyone that Saddam supported terrorism . Or do you consider the deliberate blowing to pieces of civilians as a normal legitimate everyday activity??? What you lack in honesty you sure make up for in blind cynicism... |
What America has done and doing in Iraq could well be very make the world a far more dangerous place. It could also make the world a safer place but this is very much a gamble.
Many in America may feel let down by the UN and certain European countries but the feeling is mutual. Many people feel let down by the American sham that this was every about the threat posed by Saddam and anything to do with the "war on terrorism". To make matters worse Bush continues to us the "war on terrorism" rhetoric, despite it being commonly know that whatever terrorism is going on in Iraq now is due very much to the US invasion.
So this US dangerous pre-emtive unilateral action is less likely to happen again, I would like to see a humbled America come crawling back to the UN. I think this would be good for both the US and the UN (who need to change to stop America acting in this way) and there actually could then be some solidarity. Then I hope to see Iraq sorted out as quickly as possible. What that "sorted out" will be I still can't imagine.
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| Posted by: Americaaah | |
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Originally posted by DaveDom
So this US dangerous pre-emtive unilateral action is less likely to happen again, I would like to see a humbled America come crawling back to the UN. I think this would be good for both the US and the UN (who need to change to stop America acting in this way) and there actually could then be some solidarity. |
Hah!!! Oh yeah! Bwoooahahahahaha!!! Try some Metamusil, DaveDumb, it will help with all that crap you have bottled up.
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We will always be proud.
We will always be prepared
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| Posted by: DaveDom | | Originally posted by Americaaah
Hah!!! Oh yeah! Bwoooahahahahaha!!!
STFU monkey boy! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Americaaah | |
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Originally posted by DaveDom
Originally posted by Americaaah
Hah!!! Oh yeah! Bwoooahahahahaha!!!
STFU monkey boy! |
Try some Metamusil, DaveDumb? It really will help with all, or at least some, of that crap you have bottled up. 
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"All in all, a great day if you believe stopping the proliferation of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons is a good thing. But, it was a very bad day indeed if world security takes a back seat to your personal hatred of George W. Bush."
We will always remember.
We will always be proud.
We will always be prepared
So that we may always be free!
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| Posted by: Curley Joe | |
Good, 'cause you're NOT: Guess how long after the end of WWII, Nazi guerrillas kept attacking American (and Allied) soldiers in Germany? Give up? Answer: Years! That's correct, YEARS! And we all know where Gemany would be today without the American invasion of Europe in '44—for that matter, where Finland would be. (You would probably be speaking German or Russian, for starters, and humming either the hymn of the Fatherland or that of the Motherland). So don't give us that same-old, whiny, righteous, anti-U.S., Euro bullsh!t. Read some history and gain some perspective—and some humility.
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