Death to American soldiers

Post-9/11 Era Forum

Death to the invading bastards. Every American soldier killed equalls 10 brownie points. Kill the American invaders.

American = killer, so I really hope you die you bastards.

You know what.
If America invades every country she feels threatened of, here's what I'll do.
I'll organise attack on the first US plane carrier that comes nearby.
The US will start fighting Croatian army
therefore the war will be over for about 10 days
therefore war damages will be minimal
and US will invade Croatia and make its 51st state of it
so we'll all live in democracy and peace ever after.
Now someone says something's wrong with my plan.

Just a thought...

The U.S. is on the move again around the globe, and it's about time.

The Great Wall of China, roughly defining the northern contours of the Chinese empire, has stood in the same place for 2,200 years. The Great Wall of America — the barrier of bases set up around the world to define the contours of the free world and hold back the Soviet empire — is about to disappear after just 50 years.

We are living a revolution, and hardly anyone has noticed. In just the three months since the end of the Iraq war, the Pentagon has announced the essential evacuation of the U.S. military from its air bases in Saudi Arabia, from the Demilitarized Zone in Korea and from the vast Incirlik air base in Turkey — in addition to a radical drawdown of U.S. military personnel in Germany, the mainstay of the Great American Wall since 1945.

For a country that is seen by so much of the world as a rogue nation, recklessly throwing its weight around, this is a lot of withdrawing. The fact is that since 9/11, when America awoke from its post — cold war end-of-history illusions, the U.S. has not, as most believe, been expanding. It has been moving — lightening its footprint, rationalizing its deployments, rearranging its forces, waking from a decade of slumber during which it sat on its Great Wall, oblivious to its immobility and utter obsolescence.

Why, after all, are we in Germany 60 years after the fall of the Nazi regime and more than a decade after the fall of the Soviet Union? Because it took a decade — and 9/11--for the U.S. to see the obvious. It took that long to dispose of the colossal anachronism known as the Antiballistic Missile Treaty, which made sense in a world of two antagonistic superpowers but made no sense in a world of rogue states and proliferating missiles and weapons of mass destruction. Similarly, it took a decade to recognize the craziness of stationing 15,000 U.S. troops as a sacrificial trip wire just yards from North Korea's million-man army.

Iceland is a perfectly nice place, and Icelanders are perfectly nice people. But what exactly are the U.S. Air Force jets stationed there protecting the Icelanders from? (The Pentagon is in talks to finally remove them.) And what is the point of our huge investments in air bases in Saudi Arabia and Turkey? We were forbidden to fly combat missions out of them at the most critical of times, during a war against an Iraqi tyrant who threatened the entire neighborhood. The war in Iraq also made plain that our 68,000 troops in Germany are totally out of place, far from the action. They were unable to get to Iraq by land because Austria, with classic old Europe self-righteousness, refused to allow our troops to cross its territory to join the fight.

We are in the midst of a revolution, and it has two parts. The first is leaving places where we are not wanted. America is moving out of old Europe, which sees its liberty as coming with the air it breathes, and being welcomed in the new Europe of Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania, which have a living memory of tyranny and a deep understanding of America's role in winning their liberty. South Koreans regularly demonstrate against the U.S. presence in their country. Since the reason for that presence is for Americans to die in defense of Seoul, one has to ask oneself at what point strategic altruism becomes strategic masochism.

The second part is leaving places that mark the battle lines of a long-dead war. The great threat today is not Soviet attack but radical Arab-Islamic terrorism and instability in that part of the world. Hence the redeployment of American forces from the plains of Europe, Korea, perhaps next Japan, to the battleground of today: the Horn of Africa, Central Asia, the Persian Gulf.

The world talks in ominous terms about the new American empire. But the U.S. was far more of an empire in, say, 1949, when it sat behind its great wall of tank armies and nuclear bombers in static defense of large territories in Western Europe and the Pacific Rim. That empire we are in the process of dismantling. The Soviets are gone, and those places, having risen from the ashes, are quite capable of defending themselves. The threat from North Korea, for example, is no longer the spread of communism but of nuclear weapons. The response should be not a sitting-duck standing army but a quick and light air-sea reaction force.

Moreover, many don't want us. So we're shifting into the far more difficult and dangerous game of containing and ultimately destroying the new enemy — nimble, mobile and undeterrable. That requires an entirely new strategy: small bases in new places, some simply forward staging areas with supplies awaiting the arrival of highly mobile troops in an emergency.

Less plodding, less heavy, less static, less fixed. This is the new American strategy: Empire Lite. Its assembly, having been announced piecemeal, has largely been missed. Make no mistake, however. We are in the midst of a great redeployment that will not only redraw the map of the world but also mark the ground to which history itself has moved.

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"All in all, a great day if you believe stopping the proliferation of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons is a good thing. But, it was a very bad day indeed if world security takes a back seat to your personal hatred of George W. Bush."


We will always remember.
We will always be proud.
We will always be prepared
So that we may always be free!

http://www.ddaymuseum.org/about_us/

Bloody hell, Americaaaah, i'm not joking!
**but it's ok i guess you don't know too much about croatian politics&industry at the moment. actually i was talking more to myself, since i knew no one will understand me...
but i didn't think you'll think i'm a US hater which i'm definitely NOT, they did what they had to do down in Iraq, and i don't want to know how the world would look like if US hasn't done everything it has, half the christian world would probably be saying 'Allah is great' and stuff like that by now.
I'm NOT being sarcastic it's really what i think. no one can denie that all the muslim extremists want the west world to become... the east. And the US ... well, i'm glad there's *someone* that realizes the danger. and faces it.**

And GEE, Americaaah, thanx for the votes!
**now i AM sarcastic**
bloody fool

Croatia? Is that a place? I thought it was like the hooping cough or something.

Yeah it depends... what's a hooping cough?

Anyhow...
it is a place, a beautiful country with shitty government.

OK what's a hooping cough?

Aaaaah our SafeRus is just trying to be controversial! It's just his way to attract attention.
It's better to say little but clever, then to keep yelling s**ts only to be noticed. But i guess not everyone actually *can* speak cleverly, ha...
USA1 please tell me you were joking about the cough stuff??!! And i just started to think Americans are not only cool but smart too...

Just being controversial USA 1 will tell im pretty good at it, though he might call it something else

What the f**k?

Oh whatever

And, Curley Joe...
What should i thank you for? Or is it just your signature or something? because people usually don't go around asking others to thank them just like that. What have *you*, personally, done so someone should thank you? Did you fight in Iraq?
Thanx though, for letting me know what kind of ignorant fools Americans can be. Is it just you or has no one in the US ever studied geography? Anyhow, notice: there are other countries than US, UK and Israeli as the good guys, and Iraq, Afganistan and Cuba fighting them.

And i honestly thought Americans are not only cool but smart too.

Dont even try with the thank you thing it's all he has got, he can't explain it

Aaaah... well i should've guessed.

Does anyone else think it's ironic that the person screaming AMERICA=KILLERS is from the country responsible not only for the atrocities of WWII, but for the Holocaust as well. If anybody should say thank you it's safeRus, we've given him his country back twice now, and with people like him around it wouldn't surprise me if we had to invade it again ... maybe this time we won't be so generous.

Maja- i enjoy your sense of humor! Saferus is not atypical of the germanic thinking unfortunately. your own country probably still bears scars from earlier germanic thinking and action. my ancestors are from your area of the world, slovenia, and it is indeed a beautiful area, if pictures indeed don't lie. don't take personally the thoughts of some americans on these posts, the beauty of our country is all kinds of thoughts are possible here and we are free to express them. i hope you will some day arrive at a good government, your children may some day enjoy the freedoms you seek. just keep working for it!

For this you deserved a from me, grets!

Soldiers are warriors.Working to overcome disadvantage and turn conflict into victory,
we accomplish great things, and we do so together.

SFC. G.R. Richardson JR.
USA /RET

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The average age of the military man is 19 years. He is a short haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears, not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country. He never really cared much for work and he would rather wax his own car than wash his father's; but he has never collected unemployment either.

He's a recent High School graduate; he was probably an average student, pursued some form of sport activities, drives a ten year old jalopy, and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left, or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away. He listens to rock and roll or hip-hop or rap or jazz or swing and 155mm howitzer. He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk.

He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark. He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively if he must. He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional. He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march.

He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity. He is self-sufficient. He has two sets of fatigues: he washes one and wears the other. He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry. He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle. He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix his own hurts. If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food. He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low.

He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands. He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job. He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still find ironic humor in it all. He has seen more suffering and death then he should have in his short lifetime.

He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them. He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and is unashamed. He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful.

Just as did his Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather, he is paying the price for our freedom. Beardless or not, he is not a boy. He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over 200 years.

He has asked nothing in return, except our friendship and understanding. Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood.

Aha, right... does he look like Josh Hartnett in 'Pearl Harbor' ?
If so, go America!

As the person who started this thread, (safeRus is my wife, and I was too pissed to realise I was logged in as her), I would like to apologise for any offense caused. As I said I was very drunk, hence the abusive mail. She has not actually posted any postings yet.

HOWEVER, my personal opinion as to the daily killings of American soldiers, whilst the killing of anybody is terrible, I would say that the American troops behaviour in Iraq has been terrible. With the indiscriminate killings of innocent people which Americans can only describe as "collatoral damage", I see the Iraqi people who are defending their country as being little short of heroes, and not "terrorists". Just imagine this, if lets say Canada, decided to invade the US, and won, would you think that American people who killed Canadian soldiers were "terrorists" or "heroes"?.

They are fighting for their lives and their country. The illegal invading force needs to get out of their country, or more and more American soldiers will be killed.

Incidentally, to the guy who said my country is responsible for the Hollocaust, I am British, just living in Germany. The Americans are more responsible for the haulocaust, if you consider the Americans actively traded with Hitler, and many large American companies built American military hardware through the war, such as GM, Chrysler and Ford, (with US support). In addition, if you consider that the Bermuda Conference decided, (mostly by Americans), that the Jews should continue being killed since if the Germans were to export them instead, they could not handle the level of immigrants.

You're still drunk. You are a frickin' looney! Amercia is responsible for he holocaust? How could you ever expect anyone to take you seriously???

As I've posted elsewhere, if you truly beleive in the anti-America, anit-war or anti-Bush causes (Given your ramblings it's hard to tell just what you beleive in.) then whatever cause is obviously best served if you restrict yourself to reading and refrain from posting. You do all of these causes a great disservice by making it look as though all of the anti-whatever crowd is as insane as you are.

By the way, stop confusing the girl in the white dress who bathes you and brings you your meds in the morning with a "wife." She's actually a nurse hired by the sanatarium to care for you.

Scott C
I got to respond to what you wrote because it is mainly crap.
The soldiers be they US or UK or any other country for that matter should not take the blame for the war, the blame should be at the feet of Bush, Blair and Hussain, the soldiers in Iraq are doing a job and following orders wether they agree with the war or not.

And as for the holocaust may I make a suggestion, read a history book. I taech kids of 13 - 18 who have a better grip of the holocaust than you do, the balme falls at the feet of the Nazi party and it's leader

Saferus, once again you have shown yourself to be ignorant. Yes, the US did not allow the immigration of thousands of Jews because of economic turmoil here in the states. However, this decision was made before anything was known about the holocaust. If you'll remember correctly, allied forces liberated concentration camps, allowed the immigration of jews after the war, and established Israel as a jewish nation.
AS for US officials deciding that "jews ought to be gassed" you're insane, and maybe you oughtta start taking your husband's medication.

Ever since news of Hitler's plan to annihilate the Jews of Europe reached the public in late 1942, British church leaders and members of Parliament had been agitating for something to be done.


So the link proves nothing?. Check google and see how many more quotes like this you can find. Anti Americanism cannot explain every aspect of wrong doing on the part of Americans. I am British, and I am ashamed of the British involvement. We have been real bastards in the past, but I am intelligent enough to not hide behind pathetic patriotic ********.

Clearly, you are not.

Just one question, Americaaah. Are you a robot?. Can you read?. It seems to me that the only single answer you have to anything is "you are anti American". WTF has this got to do with the Bermuda conference?. Please prove that you are not a robot, and post something that involves thought.

Answer the f*cking question, and tell me where your evidence comes from that the Bermuda conference came before the world knew about Hitler's Jewish extermination plans. You remind me of the Nazi party in the UK, that deny the holocaust ever happened. It is a historical fact, but because the BC calls into question the USA, you choose to deny that it ever happened. I personally do not give a flying f*ck whether or not anti American sentiment exists in your home country, I am sure it does, as it does in every other nation in the planet, but I am asking you a direct question, which I would like you to answer, and your answer in no way addresses the question.

Anti American sentiment exists because of the Americans. If the Americans did not behave in the manner that they do, the world would not be anti American. I am British, I do not come from a third world country. I earn more than most American's, and I have been offered employment in New York, (which I declined, as I have a child and I do not want to worry about whether he gets shot when he goes to school). Why would I be jealous of some yank hick?.

OK, seeing as you blatantly refuse to answer a simple question, I will post it in terms that even a 6 fingered hick can understand.


HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE BERMUDA CONFERENCE AND THE FACT THAT AMERICA DECIDED TO STAND BACK AND WATCH MILLIONS OF JEWS GET SLAUGHTERED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT TO WORRY ABOUT LARGE NUMBERS OF IMMIGRANTS?.

Simple question, involves a simple answer. Please post any evidence that you have in your "multi-thousand-page set of volumes" and post just one link. I am not saying America was entirely responsible for the holocaust, merely that they made a strategic decision to stand back and watch it happen. They believed that American economic interests are more important that that of the people being killed. Obviously, the Germans killed the Jews, but the Americans were more worried about them expelling them forcing a massive wave of immigration to the US.

I'VE GOT IT! Obviously, scottc was planted here by the Bush adminstration to make anit-war, anti-US, anti-Bush people look incredibly stupid, if not insane.

Originally posted by scottc

HOWEVER, my personal opinion as to the daily killings of American soldiers, whilst the killing of anybody is terrible, I would say that the American troops behaviour in Iraq has been terrible. With the indiscriminate killings of innocent people which Americans can only describe as "collatoral damage", I see the Iraqi people who are defending their country as being little short of heroes, and not "terrorists". Just imagine this, if lets say Canada, decided to invade the US, and won, would you think that American people who killed Canadian soldiers were "terrorists" or "heroes"?.

Wrong opinion, wrong facts, wrong comparison... as usual.

They are fighting for their lives and their country. The illegal invading force needs to get out of their country, or more and more American soldiers will be killed.

They are fighting because Saddam promised them good life without USA. If Saddam was dead and all the clerics didnt spread anti-US propaganda (right in the middle of the pray, which is a sin) Iraq would be much more stable and peacefull.

Incidentally, to the guy who said my country is responsible for the Hollocaust, I am British, just living in Germany. The Americans are more responsible for the haulocaust, if you consider the Americans actively traded with Hitler, and many large American companies built American military hardware through the war, such as GM, Chrysler and Ford, (with US support). In addition, if you consider that the Bermuda Conference decided, (mostly by Americans), that the Jews should continue being killed since if the Germans were to export them instead, they could not handle the level of immigrants.

Ofcourse everybody is responsible for Holocaust. Even my grandma is - she supported Germany's economy thru buying german cloths. Is that what you mean?


Oh yes and americans told Hitler whether to kill jews or not and Hitler followed their order. Such BS.

Yes Bermuda Conference took place and americans and brits refused to accept massive immigration from germany. SO???

Originally posted by scottc

Wrong in what way?. Americans invaded Iraq,

Invaded not to occupy but to liberate.

Iraqi's are killing the invaders.

No, it's pro-baath who's killing 'invaders' to destabilize situation and eventually get the control back.

Remember, Iraq never did anything to America, but America invaded their land, destroyed their infrastructure, killed their people, and then expected open arms!!!

America is going to build everything they destroyed back.

What is happening is exactly what would happen if another country succesfully invaded America.

I guess no country in near future would be able to successfully invade america...

The people are defending their land. Is that not what the concept of the right to bear arms in America is all about?

America is not going to take their land from Iraqis - quite opposite, rebuild it and give it back to them.

They are fighting because they have been invaded. What would you think of any nation that invaded your land?. Tony Blair has ****ed up the UK, and promised a great life which has never materialised for the British people,

It was BRITISH who believed in Tony Blair and BRITISH who elected him, now it is BRITISH who eat their own sh!t. While Saddam came to power thru assasinations and bribes. See the difference?

but I would still not want France or Germany to invade england, killing British civillians to "liberate" the UK.

UK is free! Why would you liberate a free country?

Iraq would be more stable and peaceful if the US minded their own business in the middle east. Bear in mind that it was the US that was responsible for installing the B'aath party in the first place.

NO! US did not install Baath part, Saddam came to power in 1970 after he killed the first leader of free Iraq (liberated from UK occupation). Learn some history.

I would say that a nation that supported the big businesses, (ie Ford, GM and Chrysler) in building millitary hardware for the enemy at a time when you are at war is pretty responsible.

Remember: Hitler was not an enemy of the USA at that time.

I would say that the grandfather of the current President of the USA, and the Father of a previous President of the USA who funded the Nazi party in its infancy, and channeled Nazi money into the US through his Dutch bank is partly responsible.

How would they know what would new german party turn out into?

I would also say that a nation that let Hitler know they would rather see him slaughter millions of Jews than export them is also fairly responsible.

Yes, just like every other nation in the world that REFUSED to accept immigrants. BTW USA was the biggest importer of immigrants from Europe thru out 20th century.

With regards to Ford, GM and Chrysler, bear in mind that the US awarded millions in compensation to these companies after the war, for the damage caused to their factories in Germany, which were producing German millitary engines LOL.

If Ford, GM and Chrysler had plants in Germany, that was a capitalist state after WW1... and WW2 damaged those plants... what's wrong US compensatin companies' financial loss?

Scott C just so we can get a few facts staright I am not American and have never taught in America, I live and teach in Scotland
Hitler was gonna do what he was gonna do regardless of the BC, read some of his work in particular the very boring Mein kampf( my struggle) and you will see his hatred for jews in that, the holocaust, final solution, whatever you want to call it would have happend no matter what and blaming America or any other country for that matter is daft, nerly laughable. You want to know when Hitler strted acting like he did regarding the jews well I will tell you when he was a tramp living in Austria he picked up these ideas from others on the streets not just about jews but about blacks, lesbians, gays and tramps.

Yeah I'm shocked to. Do you think it will last nah

Saverus you Corn poke what a friggen thread youre just bitter because americans have Done F\/CKED YOU GUYS up bad!!! by the way my grand father Killed 47 German CORN POKES, in WWII You are just bitter because America is SUPERIOR to your Pig latin speaking country EVER though of being GO USA go drink some vasa, out of your corn poke well you B1tch DIE GERMAN NAZI CORN POKE

Gee thats nice. America with her Allies helped bring democracy to your Hitler loving people during the second world war. How many jews did your grand parents murder?

Originally posted by scottc

As the person who started this thread, (safeRus is my wife, and I was too pissed to realise I was logged in as her), I would like to apologise for any offense caused. As I said I was very drunk, hence the abusive mail. She has not actually posted any postings yet.

Scottc... just one more thing. When i drink, or even when i am drunk, i could think or talk about anything, do something to amuse myself... WHATEVER!! But to drink, come home, sit behind the computer and post things like "Death to the invading bastards. ......." ? What do you do when you drink, sit there with your friends and keep painting america in black colors, coming up with new and fresh ideas about american expansionism everyday? I have heard a lot of 'theories', some of them being just plainly stupid. I have an opinion on this, everybody does, but being so paranoic about it will drive you crazy. Especially if you keep thinking about it when you drink.

scottc:

I'll bet you that when your kid reaches 18 and has had enough of the crap you've been spewing, he or she will imigrate to America and live a happy life just to piss you off. Seeing as you sound like a bitter delusional alcoholic, you'll probably never see your kid after that and he or she will be much better off without having you as a father. Or maybe the child will get lucky and your wife will leave you for being such a boozer.

scottc neither i have desire to debate with you and reply to your ridiculous points, nor i have anything new to say - what could be said was said already.