UN truck bombing in Bagdad

Post-9/11 Era Forum

What would you do?
I would do the exact the opposite of what the fundamentalists want. They want to drive us out, personally, I would double the number of coalition troops immediately. Secure the boarders from Iran and Syria.

Now maybe the UN and their anti-war/Anti-U.S. supporters can understand a little how Americans feel.

They were there to help, minding their own business, organizing aid, and BLAM! They get wasted.

Should we Americans ask the UN and their anti-war supporters what it was the UN did in it's policies to PROVOKE such an attack?

Maybe now you people on the UN/French side of things will understand the Islamic vermin that we are dealing with, and the need for extermination via massive military power.

Reports are that this may have been a Syrian/Al Qaeda-style attack. Reporters in Iraq are saying the numbers of 'foreign' Islamics running into Iraq from Syria, Arabia and Iran to wage Jihad are increasing in number. They are moving in via Syria armed to the hilt. They have already sabotaged the water, the oil pipelines and the electric grids there.

Time to train-up the Iraqi militia. Ultimately if they want to hold onto the fledgling form of freedom we have won for them, they themselves are going to need to secure it.

It will be interesting to see how UN responds.

1. Fear/doubt/uncertainty and head for home?

2. Or righteous indignation with even more commitment to rebuild and stabilize Iraq?

3. Wishy washy not sure but ready to form a commission to discuss the matter...

Agreed,
The more Iraqi Police on the ground the more secure they will feel.
For some reason they think they can drive thew coalition out with these actions. It's just goes to show how ignorant they really are. This will only create more of a presance of coaltion members.
If they were smart and wanted to take Iraq back, they would wait until we have spent billions to build it back up and left.
Just plain ignorant.

More troops....and chase them back into Syria and Iran and hold them up for the world to see. Embarrass Syrian and Iran and show the world what hypocrytes they really are.

Hey, how about a UNSC resolution asking them to disarm and go home? Then another, then another...

Maybe this will wake some people up to the fact that these insurgents are just plain evil people who need to be imprisoned or eliminated. I think it is pretty obvious these are not some kind of freedom fighters trying to rid themselves of "US oppression." How unfortunate it is that these people (risking their lives to bring aid to the Iraqis) have to die and be maimed before some people will wake up to the reality of the situation. Namely, that the snipers/bombers/sabateurs are not guerillas reacting to "US invasion" but just plain nasty, mean, evil people.

I suspect they are one of the following:

1) The last vestige of the old regime trying desperately to avoid their inevitable fate.

2) Terrorists of some sort just trying to stir up the pot in hopes of continued violence from which they gain power.

3) Leftover human shields who are frustrated by how patheticly naive they appeared on the world stage.

And yes, many will try to lay this at the feet of America. Let them. I'm sure some here will even concoct conspiracy theories that the US actually did it. (Somehow, it must be part of Paul Woflowitz and Dick Cheney's plan to dominate the world.)


2nd verse from the National Anthem:

"And triumph we must, for our cause it is just..."

You posters sound like a bunch of George W. clones.Don't you guys understand the meaning of "occupation"?It drains the Iraqis of self-respect.You flag wavers would not like it one bit if a foreign power,no matter how benevolent,came onto American soil uninvited,and started telling us how to run things.

"One man's 'terrorist' is another man's 'freedom fighter'".

As predicted - the ideologically ridiculous offers the absurd;

You posters sound like a bunch of George W. clones.

Right. I voted for Howard Phillips, but because I support our actions in Iraq I'm somehow a GW clone.? Sorry, the anti-Bush vitriol you people spew is simply nauseating to the point it must be countered.

Don't you guys understand the meaning of "occupation"?It drains the Iraqis of self-respect.

Like they had any under Sadaam.

Your attempted suggestion here is so ridiculously absurd that it must come from an ignorance yet unseen in modern enlightenment.

The attacks being perpetrated in Iraq are not from Iraqis, but from Syrians, Palestinians and Saudi Jihadist foreigners that are there to wage their religious vendettas.

The Iraqi people themselves are not the least bothered by American forces there, they are mostly welcomed. Foreigners among the Iraqis are causing all the trouble and masquerading as Iraqis.


You flag wavers would not like it one bit if a foreign power,no matter how benevolent,came onto American soil uninvited,and started telling us how to run things.

Had we been living under a tyrant's boot for decades while thousands of us were routinely butchered and tortured, watching our wives and children raped and mutilated I'm sure any outside help to eradicate such a monster regime would be welcome - unless you have no ability to comprehend compassion.

As I predicted though folks - it was only a matter of a short time before we saw the Terrorist apologists come out to begin their ideological blame-game.

hey all ,.,.,.hey usa1 at first why american force went to iraq?? who told them to go ?? what r they the national police of the world ? and look about all what is happining in iraq? what do u think why Iraqiz kill the american solders ?!? cuz they dont want them there ,is it so hard to undestand that the iraqiz dont want american force there
and what are u talking about Syria and Iran ??? what have they done ?? nothing , only lies from ur american goverment thats all


god bless all the world ,, the only terrorism goverment in the world is american goverment

And with that scintillating display of logic and understanding we can chalk up another example of the intelligence-level of the Anti-War/Anti-America crowd.

You left out anti-English language.

Too much vodka, methinks.

BEHEMOTH_666,
From your post name, I can assume you are in love with evil and the devil and this will be my only responce to you.
You haven't been listening. The Iraqi people (90%) want what the coalition is going to provide. 10% want the same thing but without foreign intervention. IT IS NOT THE IRAQI PEOPLE KILLING COALITION MEMBERS. PERIOD.
Syria and Iran are sponcering terrorism by supporting their ideology and allowing them to enter into Iraq to kill civilians and peace keepers and YES, America was given the World Peace keeper positon by the UN.
Get with the porgram....

Stay the course.

SecGen said the UN would be there and continue its mandate.

Now the SecGen can authorize UN troops to secure UN facilities and operations. The "bad cop" US can back off, transition more and more to both Iraqi's and UN, but maintain presence for more remote infrastructure protection, Iraqi army training, and search and destroy missions...

That's what should happen - let's see what does...

DaveDom,
"It's your show."? You're not paying attention Dave.
Typical.

By the way, the U.N. had declined any protection by U.S. troops of the bombed headquarters in Baghdad and had instead opted for protection from a "private contractor" hired by the U.N.


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The one thing I cant understand is why it hit the UN if we are being honest they are not the ones running around with the guns in the street it the UK/.US that is doing that. Though i read that some peolpe think that it was a msinformed terrorist who thought he was targetting a building where coalition troops wer being treated for injuries.
As for the not from OBL that is the first and only time I have heard that.
But thode of you that say it is just Syrians and Irans running around Iraq I do not really believe that there has to be a few Iraqis involved, if it was as simple as foreiners why dont you draft in more soldiers and close the borders or is that what you want the foreign troops you are asking the UN for to do?

The one thing I cant understand is why it hit the UN if we are being honest they are not the ones running around with the guns in the street it the UK/.US that is doing that.

Why can't you understand it lodgebo? The people that hit the UN there in Baghdad are the very same people YOU supported and gave courage to in your incessant blasting of America.

They appreciate your support, they really do - because your anti-war UN made themselves perfect soft targets for the kind of carnage these people that you support thrive on.

This is why they were targeted. They were easy pickings.

This is the mindset of the regime we blasted out of Iraq, this is the mindset of the people that blew the sh!t out of NY & DC on 9/11.

This is the mindset of the people you support against America.

Though i read that some peolpe think that it was a msinformed terrorist who thought he was targetting a building where coalition troops wer being treated for injuries.

Oh...that's a good one. Nice spin on reality.

FYI - the bomb was detonated in the most vulnerable and perfect sweet spot of the structure at a time to inflict the most casualties with the largest media coverage.

In other words my swift freind, it was no mistake. It was planned and executed with precision.

But thode of you that say it is just Syrians and Irans running around Iraq I do not really believe that there has to be a few Iraqis involved

What you believe is irrelevant. I'm getting the news firsthand from local reporters and Stateside military personnel who are/were THERE.

if it was as simple as foreiners why dont you draft in more soldiers and close the borders or is that what you want the foreign troops you are asking the UN for to do?

We'd rather blast them and their supporters into radioactive dust, but once again - YOU PEOPLE don't want us to. It is impossible for America alone to close Iraq's massive desert borders. Threats of serious force against the regimes and governments supporting the foreign jihadist incursion into Iraq is the best and most complete way to deal with the problem.

Ok disregard wht I wrote before brcause that was my point of view this is the offical statement I heard on the news this morning when I was at work.
The bomb was detonated by Iraqis the reason they got so close was a policeman or security official was in on it, in short it was an inside job.
Dont like it well that is according to US and UN offcials who are investigating it, but like all terror attacks the story will change time and time again.

Invar get your facts straight I dont support terrorists never have never will , and I dont support those that targetted america

So you think threatening Iran and Syria is the best way to get them to help.

We don't want their help. We want them to stop enabling jihad terrorism. The way to do that is to threaten the use of awesome force. It is the only thing they respect or respond to.

Right, good diplomacy while you're still having trouble in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It's what nuclear weapons are for. Diplomacy has nothing to do with it. Diplomacy with terrorists and their regimes is futility on a grand scale. We tried that your way for 12 years, it failed miserably - just as any "diplomacy" with Iran and Syria would fail.

Those people and regimes only understand and respect ONE THING; the sword at their throat. We target Damascus and Tehran and give them an ultimatum. The time for *****-footing around is over.

Maybe you have enough on your plate without attacking a 3rd and 4th nation in two years.

Jihad has no borders. This war will be waged wherever and whenever they are found. It's OUR timetable of choosing. Victory in this war IS our plate.

How about asking the UN for help?

We erroneously once again tried to get them involved - they said no...which is exactly what we expected. We're going to run this OUR way, and all the moaning and b!tching you people do will once again be irrelevant, because the useless UN which you devote yoruselves has again shown itself to be completely irrelevant in world affairs.

It's why America runs the show. Your UN is incompetant and irrelevant.

Bush and Rummie's pre-war gunslinging, shoot from the hip rhetoric doesn't seem so good now.

No, it's better than good....it's wonderful! Kill and waste the bad guys, clean up the town. Works every time it's tried.

Just one more example of the incompetence and lunacy of your moronic president and his neo-con chums.

"incompetance"?? No nation on earth could have achieved what we have achieved there in Iraq in 3 weeks. NOT ONE. Every single prediction you people made about disaster and woe was wrong. EVERY LAST ONE.

Now we have foreign insurgents engaged in a guerilla war. Completely expected. Every end to a conflict has them. Such was the case in both Germany and Japan after WWII. And while you laugh at our so-called 'incompetance' as that guerilla effort continues - you once again will end up having to find another excuse to bash America after they too are rooted out and exterminated like the vermin they are.

I'm pretty sure you people will scream, cry and moan about the manner in which we put an end to this nonsense.

But as I myself have learned in combat and conflict; you do whatever works.

And we will.

America will wave at you as we pass you on by and leave you in the dust of irrelevance again.

BEEP! BEEP!

--- We're going to run this OUR way --- INVAR

Just in a sentence INVAR (one sentence) tell us why you think America has the right to police the world when most other nations previously suggested not going to war.

In one sentence only INVAR.

Just in a sentence INVAR (one sentence) tell us why you think America has the right to police the world when most other nations previously suggested not going to war.

In one sentence only INVAR.


Because the world will not do what needs to be done to establish and secure the peace and stability needed to grow prosperity and freedom - so we will do it for them because we can.

Satisfied professor?








I knew you wouldn't be.

Ah well, too bad.

DEAL WITH IT.

just to let you know: I'm not like you aaaaaaaaaaaahhhh I don't put a source away because I don't like the name of the source
That's what make the diff between you and me: I read both and I do my opinion based on multiple sources ..... which seems not to be your case



The only one I really don't trust is the one with the following "slogan": Honnest and balanced news .....

anyway: one source ...... only one .......

where did I changed the subject ??????

you gave me the quote, thanks

you gave me the source, thanks

and you said that I would have a problem with your source ..... I just replied ...... about "my possible problem about your source" and about the quote: "anyway: one source ...... only one ....... "

can't you read and understand aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh ?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh



did I changed the subject ??? you didn't replied, did you ?



still not recovered your brain as I see, poor guy, definitely lost

INVAR, and you are the one who decides what needs to be done? For the many Countries in the World, yours is the one who decides what needs to be done?

One sentence will do once again

INVAR, and you are the one who decides what needs to be done?

No, my elected Reps do that for me.

For the many Countries in the World, yours is the one who decides what needs to be done?

One sentence will do once again


YES.

"YES" is a word, not a sentence INVAR.

I'd just like to mention you and your country elected your leader, not the rest of the World. And you still believe the US should, indeed, police the World? (of course your answer is yes, but I would like to hear the justification behind this)

Once sentence, please sir.

I'd just like to mention you and your country elected your leader, not the rest of the World.

Exactly. It's why America is running the world and you get to look at our a$$ while we pass you on by.

And you still believe the US should, indeed, police the World? (of course your answer is yes, but I would like to hear the justification behind this)

Once sentence, please sir.

What are you, some lame attempt at a gameshow host?

Here's the justification: because your useless nation and the rest of the world will not and cannot do the job America can.

.... I would rather not look at your a$$ Mr INVAR, if it's all the same to you. I don't see your logic: we don't vote for the American leader, therefore that causes America to run the World, as you yourself have said. *clapping* wow! didn't think of it that way.....

By your logic, you haven't voted for me to be the president of Japan, so therefore if I am actually elected, I could take over any darn country I want - since you didn't elect me, Mr INVAR.

Perhaps the rest of the world doesn't do the job America does because we see that we don't always have the right to preach to others; something you, sir, have yet to realise.

I love your tag Americumhor; must be a good day today because I do believe in the proliferation of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons... know where I can find any?


http://www.ccmep.org/2003%20Article...uction_foun.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s885280.htm
http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/05/1607787.php
that's enough for now...