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Posted by: NothingSacred

If U.N. resolutions are so important, why does Iraq have to live up to them while other nations don't?

I can think of this particular ROGUE nation, that has many resolutions against it, for many crimes against humanity. They are an evil apartheid regime, that favors people of one religion over people of another. They steal land from their neighbors and fill it with their people, much like Hitler wanted to do with Poland, for "breathing room". This country often attacks it's overmatched neighbors without provocation, and does so with impunity. In fact, in this country they even destroy the homes and even complete neighorhoods of people they believe dissent against their tyranny. Often times whole families are bombed and killed to get at a single suspect. This dangerous, evil nation has weopons of mass destruction that it uses to threaten it's neighbors and the president of this nation is an evil war criminal, maybe worse than Saddam and definately worse that Milosevich! Yet, nobody enforces the U.N. resolutions against this danger? If this nation could be reighned in and put in it's place, and forced to act like the other civilized nations of the world, the Middle East problems and terrorism, just might end. Now this is a project for Mr. Bush, what nation is this???

I S R A E L

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

Someone has some Racist issues to work out. That's pretty offensive.
You want to cut someone down? Cut down these fools

"Hey, I'm an idiot with a bomb strapped to my chest. I'm going to blow up a bunch of school kids on a bus for being Jewish. Even though we could have peace if MY PEOPLE would just stop. Oh, it's so much fun to blow up and burn in Hell. I love my life." BOOM!
Well, There you go.

Palestine at their smartest. Not the brightest crayon in the box.

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Posted by: Sean Kelly

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Originally posted by Dreamzwalker
Someone has some Racist issues to work out. That's pretty offensive.


Personally, I don't find anything particularly racist in this argument. It's a valid point that if UN resolutions aren't upheld unconditionally, then why would we make a big deal about this one (1441)?

The answer is simple: That resolution was a tool to get the support of the U.N. behind U.S.'s goals with Iraq. With U.N. behind us, U.S. feels justified to advance plans to achieve those goals. The enforcement of the resolution is just to say "look, we set out with a goal, the U.N. clearly agreed unanimously with our goals, so with no opposition, now we're going to do what we came here to do."

The US is NOT presently making the case that "bloody hell all UN resolutions must be forcefully acted upon!" That's up to the U.N., not the U.S.
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Posted by: NothingSacred

There's nothing racist about the truth. There's nothing in that post that isn't true. I like the Jewish people, as a religious group, but Israel as a country is truly a terrible nation, that for some reason is permitted to act in ways that other nations are attacked for. The Palestinians are treated like the blacks where in South Africa before apartheid, even worse, I suppose they should just accept it?

The truth is the truth, I've said nothing racist here. Racism is hatred based on race...I just stated facts.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

Let me expound on my comment

quote:
Originally posted by NothingSacred
They are an evil apartheid regime, that favors people of one religion over people of another. They steal land from their neighbors and fill it with their people, much like Hitler wanted to do with Poland, for "breathing room"


States that the Entire Nation of Israel is evil. Thus, the people inside are equally evil. And this, is label of prejudice - labeling an entire people as evil. The African-Americans were labeled "EVIL" at one point in history which classified it as "Racism." Israel has had the land for Thousands of years. Palestinians cannot come up with proof that land was their's, yet they blow the Jewish communities people up every chance they have. The terrorists under Arafat's rule.
They (terrorists) are ungrateful for the land that ISRAEL has provided them. Provided them with land not theirs. There are Palestinians that live in peace with the Jews, but each time there are about to be peace talks - BOOM - something else blows up.
Damn straight they should invade the Gaza strip. Israel has the RIGHT to defend itself as ANY country in the world should. I've been studying the origin of Israel since I was eight.
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Posted by: NothingSacred

Israel had the land for thousand of years? Fine, give Manhatten back to the Indians, they where screwed big time! Why do Palestinians hold 1940s style house keys when they protest? It's because that's all that's left of the houses their grandparents lived in when the evil, jackbooted Israeli stormtroopers burned down their homes back in '47!

No not all Israelis are rotten bastards like Sharon, Netanyahu, Wolfowitz, Perle and Bush, in fact 65% support withdrawal from the occupied areas and a Palestinian state.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

On Nov. 29, 1947, the United Nations voted to end BRITISH control of Palestine and divide the country into a Jewish state and an Arab state in order for the Jews to re-establish themselves back into the Land after germany atrocities. The Jews agreed to the UN plan, but the Arabs wanted all the land to be an Arab state. Nearby Arab countries prepared to crush the Jewish nation.

Israel came into existence as a recognized state on May 14, 1948, under the leadership of David Ben-Gurion. British control officially ended that night. The next day, Israel was attacked by FIVE Arab nations.
First Arab-Israeli War. Troops from Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and Transjordan(jordan) invaded Israel on May 15, 1948. The Israelis were greatly outnumbered and poorly armed, but they halted the invaders. They defeated the Arabs by the end of 1948, and controlled about half the land the UN had planned for the new Arab state. The other half was divided between Jordan and Egypt. Israel occupied the western half of Jerusalem, all of which the UN had planned to put under international control. Jordan controlled the eastern half of the city
In 1949, the UN arranged a series of armistices to last until final peace treaties were signed. But the Arab countries refused to recognize the existence of Israel, and continued their threats to destroy it.


Today, the world watches Idiots blow themselves up time and time again. LOL - it would be funny if no-one else was hurt and you had this suicide bomber running through the desert and then he exploded. Then another and another. Look like Lemmings jumping off a cliff.

And you know what! Well, Gee. There hadn't been any troop stomping yet occurring to these 5 history books sitting in my lap. HMMMM, looks like you are incorrect about 1947. The stomping came when the Arabs - tried to kill the Jews in 1948. They were defeated in the 1950s as well.


What happened to the indians was horrible. I wish it wouldn't have happened, but we found piece with each other. One of my best friends is an indian and another, she is Arab.

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Posted by: NothingSacred

That's the whole problem, they artificially created a state for Israel. So the holocaust happenned, who cares? That didn't give them any right to then force others off of their land to create a state for them? Once the Jews where released from the concentration camps they should have been FORCED to return to Germany or Poland or wherever they came from, not artificially create a country for them! That's the total BS that put us in the predicament we're in today.

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Posted by: NothingSacred

And since the state of Israel was created fine, it's there. The U.S. should just then be indifferent to them, they want to exist, fight your enemies alone, no aid, no support - nothing! Why should the U.S. be the garauntor of Israel's right to exist? What does it mean to our interests?...Nothing that's what. If the Arab states had overrun Israel back in the late '40s and the U.S. had turned a blind eye, there'd be no Middle East problem today. No anti-U.S. sentiment, no 9/11...

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

Dude, Jerusalem was created by the Jews around 9000 b.c. or something along that line. It was called Israel then, it's called Israel now. Been around longer then Palestine. They have no call there.

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Posted by: Caps#1

Can't they just share the land? and NothingSacred, what have you got against Bush? All he is doing is ridding the world of terrorism.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

They try to Caps - but Arafat's Terrorist (proven he is leader) keeps bombing the jews when peace talks are about to begin. Israel has tried for years and years to have peace. But they must protect themselves, like us, when under attack.
my opinion anyways.

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Posted by: Caps#1

I completely agree with you. The difference is they get attacked at least once pretty much every week.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

yup, like lemmings - their brains jacked up by the pull of the magnetic north and south pole. must really mess with them - they hit 32 and play Logan's Run.

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Posted by: NothingSacred

The ***dam English had no idea Manhatten existed for hundreds of years, until they stole it from the Indians. The Greeks owned all of Turkey and most of the Middle East for hundreds of years. The Romans owned much of Europe for hundreds of years. The ***dam English stole Australia from the Aborigines ..give it all back, why should the Jews get special treatment, and have the land they established thousands of years ago given back to them? That's why there's problems, an artificial country moves in, creates an apartheid regime and is allowed to play by special rules with super power backing...no wonder everyone else is frustrated? They can't get a fair shake. Thank's to Jordan for speaking up in the new revitalized, relevant UN Security Council yesterday and pointing out the inconsistancies in how Israel get's favored treatment that others don't get.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

Too bad. Israel deserves their land - the Germans took them from it and the UN took them back to it. Your really blind; The Jews were removed for Genocide and returned home. It would be like you going to the store and coming home to find someone with your wife.
What would you do - leave? No, you wouldn't.

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Posted by: NothingSacred

Now you're hallucinating? The Germans went to the middle east to bring the Jews to Germany to kill them? I believe that the Jews EMIGRATED to Europe well before Hitler was born.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

There were Jewish people all over the place Before WWI, Yes. And after WWI during the treaty of Versailles, new countries were born. The middle east is part of Europe, how could they emigrate?
That would be like saying "I live in Washington DC - I'm going to migrate to maryland. "

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Posted by: Caps#1

This topic was about UN resolutions, NothingSacred, not Israel, which I have no idea why you keep referring to, besides, Isreal should get their land.

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Posted by: NothingSacred

OK then, the topic is U.N. resolutions. Here's the question, why does the U.S. feel that Iraq should follow them and Israel doesn't have to? Just curious? There are many U.N. resolutions aimed at Israel's transgressions, why isn't the U.S. adamant that Israel do what it's told by the U.N. since Iraq should?

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Posted by: Sean Kelly

quote:
Originally posted by NothingSacred
OK then, the topic is U.N. resolutions. Here's the question, why does the U.S. feel that Iraq should follow them and Israel doesn't have to? Just curious? There are many U.N. resolutions aimed at Israel's transgressions, why isn't the U.S. adamant that Israel do what it's told by the U.N. since Iraq should?


I'll quote myself in response to this since the question was already answered within three posts. Let's try again:

quote:
Originally posted by Sean Kelly
.. It's a valid point that if UN resolutions aren't upheld unconditionally, then why would we make a big deal about this one (1441)?

The answer is simple: That resolution was a tool to get the support of the U.N. behind U.S.'s goals with Iraq. With U.N. behind us, U.S. feels justified to advance plans to achieve those goals. The enforcement of the resolution is just to say "look, we set out with a goal, the U.N. clearly agreed unanimously with our goals, so with no opposition, now we're going to do what we came here to do."

The US is NOT presently making the case that "bloody hell all UN resolutions must be forcefully acted upon!" That's up to the U.N., not the U.S.
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Posted by: DrPoke

Israel has been the subject of a number of security council resolutions in recent years, mainly resulting from their occupation of some areas of Palestine and killing of innocent women and children, but time and time again the USA used its veto (14 times in total (that I can remember, probably more)), the rest of the UN accepted this veto, why can't the USA accept the veto of other countries???

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

Because Israel isn't about to sell nukes or other wmd to terrorist countries.

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Posted by: Caps#1

Thank you, can't you anti-war people see this?!?!

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Posted by: NothingSacred

So it's OK for Israel to occupy a people, and kill innocent woman and children, as long as they don't sell nukes to anti-American terrorists. The act of killing innocent women and children isn't bad enough, huh?

So how do you order these nukes from Iraq and North Korea? Is there a web site? Or do you go to a trade show? Or does your friendly Terror-is-Us rep come to visit?

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Posted by: Caps#1

How am I supposed to know how get weapons terrorist get, I guess they have a meeting with saddam, i dunno, and Isreal does not kill innocent people on purpose, i see them throwing rocks at tanks, they get in the way, its their fault

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Posted by: NothingSacred

That's pretty friggin' rotten! So you think that they should KILL people for throwing rocks? You'd make a fine Israeli...MOZOLTOV!

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Posted by: Caps#1

i am not a jew thank you, and my point is if they get in the way that is there problem

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

quote:
Originally posted by NothingSacred
So it's OK for Israel to occupy a people, and kill innocent woman and children, as long as they don't sell nukes to anti-American terrorists.


I'll put this in a blunt manner for you:
Your logic is flawed - the jews have been getting blown up for years - YES, they should bomb the hell out of those people to teach them a lesson.
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Posted by: skippy

quote:
Originally posted by NothingSacred
If U.N. resolutions are so important, why does Iraq have to live up to them while other nations don't?

I can think of this particular ROGUE nation, that has many resolutions against it, for many crimes against humanity. They are an evil apartheid regime, that favors people of one religion over people of another. They steal land from their neighbors and fill it with their people, much like Hitler wanted to do with Poland, for "breathing room". This country often attacks it's overmatched neighbors without provocation, and does so with impunity. In fact, in this country they even destroy the homes and even complete neighorhoods of people they believe dissent against their tyranny. Often times whole families are bombed and killed to get at a single suspect. This dangerous, evil nation has weopons of mass destruction that it uses to threaten it's neighbors and the president of this nation is an evil war criminal, maybe worse than Saddam and definately worse that Milosevich! Yet, nobody enforces the U.N. resolutions against this danger? If this nation could be reighned in and put in it's place, and forced to act like the other civilized nations of the world, the Middle East problems and terrorism, just might end. Now this is a project for Mr. Bush, what nation is this???

I S R A E L
According to US logic UN resolutions only matter when they support US interests. Your post is right on the money. Israel is the #1 UN resolution breaker in the mid east.
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Posted by: Edward Teach

I haven't read any of the resolutions on Isreal so I don't know what they say. But again we go back to "Why aren't we pressing for those resolutions to be enforced?" That's a question that really needs to be answered. Of course we U.S. U.K. and others are trying to enforce some resolutions and the rest of the world doesn't want us to. So which way do you want it?

Maybe by us enforcing the resolutions against Iraq it will push other countries to push to enforce the ones against Isreal. Wouldn't that be an interesting concept? The U.N. actually enforcing resolutions????

As far as my take on what's going on in Isreal, I think that it doesn't look like it's getting any better and I think the U.S. needs to get involved. But then what should we do? GWB has proposed a possible solution but I don't think that either side liked the idea.

What do you think the rest of the world would say if we decided to go into Isreal?

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Posted by: Caps#1

the muslim world would love us if we went to war with Isreal, not that I care about their opinion about us

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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Originally posted by NothingSacred
That's pretty friggin' rotten! So you think that they should KILL people for throwing rocks? You'd make a fine Israeli...MOZOLTOV!


Would you stand in front of on coming traffice, throw rocks and expect them to stop?
Logic and common sense would tell a person standing in front of a tank "Gee, I should move." If they are not smart enough to do that - I dunno.

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LONG LIVE I S R A E L!
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Posted by: Edward Teach

Throwing Rocks???? Which side is doing that, last I check one side was using missiles, and tanks and the other side was using homicide bombers.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

West Gaza Terrorists are using missiles on Israel as well. That's why they moved further into Gaza territory. Home made missiles hit a couple sits.

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Posted by: NothingSacred

Thanks, that's GOOD to hear! Anything to even things up a bit...

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

And the UN seems to never complain about that. Perhaps its because Israel isn't labeled "a threat?"

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