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Post-9/11 Era Forum

I'm 70. Going to war will be the dumbest thing the US has done in my lifetime. Iraq is not a threat to US security. Saddam is not dumb--if he attacked us Iraq wouldn't see the sun come up.

Saddam wouldn't attack us directly. He's merely someone in a powerful position to influence others to do so (with money and WMD).

Ummm - I could think of some pretty dumb things that this country has done in my life time and I'm 23.

It's true that militarily Saddam/Iraq is no threat. It's the terrorism aspects that has our guys all fired up.

My bet is that once finished off, Iraq will be a U.S./allied staging ground for strikes on other countries in the gulf region there, so that's probably a pretty big motivator too: that we can have that asset so readily and what a powerful asset it would be, indeed. Of course nobody would ever admit to this, but seeing it unfold at the close of this situation will certainly be proof enough to the positive.

It's all about taking over the oil supply and remolding the Middle East in Israel's favor. It'll probably backfire, in that it's going to bloat our defecit and screw our economy, of course those in the capital, Jerusalem, don't give a ****.

You keep bringing that up. You really hate that country don't you?

No, I don't hate them at all. I just hate the way the U.S., my country, get's inself in trouble, by treating this particular country in a special way. No wonder so many countries hate us. They do something, they get attacked...Israel does something similar...nothing, not even critcism? Israel is the only country in the world that can carry out attacks outside it's borders without U.S. criticism? Why is that?

Bottom line, quit kissing Israel's ass, put them in their place and ram a Palestinian state down their throats and completely pull out of the Middle East...terrorism vs. the U.S. ends. Count on it.

The last U.S. diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein, back in 1990, said on PBS last week that this war can only lead to castrophe. And in fact to bring peace to the Middle East, you must deal with Jerusalem and not Bagdhad...

TRUE THAT

Being friends with Israel is like getting continuosly busted, because you keep hanging out with the trouble maker your mom told you to stay away from. None of this is anti-Semitic, it's not about the Jewish people as a religion, it's about the Zionists...

Zionism=Racism, intolerance and hate

It's the true apartheid on the 21st century.

If the U.S. pulls out .....
Israel's army consists of both sexes at the age of 18. If the US pulled out, Gaza strip would be destroyed because of an all out war that Palistinians would rage on Israel. Israel would win, there is no doubt about that. They have a greater force. Saddam has in fact been linked to Al-Quada. Al-quada is in Baghdad with bombs(fake) strapped to them.

Everyone knows Israel has Nukes. If pinned down by Arab states around them, kiss Arab states good by.

I don't see what Jerusalum has to do with this. Here are the facts:
1. This war is not for oil, we have enough and if we wanted it this war would have already have been started and over with by now.
2. Saddam is a threat to America, he could easily send some of his biological weapons over here through a suicide bomber.
3. Saddam is buying US and British looking uniforms so he can call attacks on his own people and blame the US.
4. This is not a fact but I believe that for every 1 missle he destroys he makes at least 2 more, so he is really not disarming.
5. We have had 14 resolutions, all have been defied.

If that is not giving peace a chance what is? And once again I see no connection to Israel.

I watch Fox News Channel at least for 2 hours every day. Mostly 3. The fox report at 7, Bill O'Rielly at 8, and Hannity and Colmes at 9. The Fox News Channel is a round the clock news station that broadcast nationwide. Have you ever seen any of these shows Dreamzwalker? Hannity and Bill are good men, Colmes on the other hand is an imbarrassment to the country. Its funny because no matter how badly he gets destroyed by everyone else he still thinks he won the argument. If you haven't watched you should, you'll get everything you need to know.

haha - I've seen it a few times - but usually I'm not home in order to watch TV around those times. Lately I have been but other then that - i'm usually over at a friends or out running around.

Get educated, go read some of the A-hole Neocon's writings. This war is strictly for oil and to reshape the Middle East to favor Israel. It will probably backfire and ruin the U.S. economy though. That may in fact be Bush's goal...

1. Destroy Iraq's infrastructure.
2. Pay his "friends" in private industry to rebuild it.
3. Thereby creating a huge deficit in conjunction with paying for a massive multi-year occupation.
4. Accuse his own Government of being inefficient and then calling for complete privatization in the continued strategy of transferring most government funds to his friends and corporate entities.
5. All the while profiting on Iraqi Oil. Of course, Bush, Rice, Cheney will be fine, with the huge stakes they have in the oil industry!

Damn are they pulling a fast one on the U.S. people! Meanwhile the Democrats have no balls. If just one of those idiots would stand up and spill the truth, they would be slam dunk winners in unseating MORON Bush in 2004!

This stuff is completely transparent too. It's amazing that the American people are such idiots that they buy it? NOBODY in the entire world supports Bush without a huge monetary payoff, that's because it's so obvious that all his reasons are made up crap, to reach the Neocon's REAL motives! Saddam's just the Patsy, like L.H. Oswald was.

I usually watch Bill O'Rielly at 1 in the morning - the guy is a quick thinker and [normally] has his facts straights. Good show.

Read some of Pearle's, Wolfowitz's writings for example. The strategy for the takover of Iraq was written and condoned by Bush as his strategy before 9/11, before he was even elected in fact. 9/11 was a convenient excuse. This stuff isn't secret, even the feeble mainstream media has reported it.

By the way, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but why must conspiracy always be dismissed? It is concievable that conspiracies happen...like Bush's election in Florida.

Hear that? That's the water spinning down the toilet bowl as Bush flushes his own country down the toilet...

Bush would be flushing the country down the toliet by doing nothing, I don't believe a bit of the info you put up. and I am glad that the election ended as it did, Iam scared to think of where this country will be with algore as pres, besides, its not our fault that Florida people don't know how to punch a hole in a ballot, and once again, we care about ourself, not Isreal

Al Gore would be handling this situation so much better. ******** Bush is doing everything possible to make matters worse and truly screw our country. Since Bush became Israel's representative in Washington, everything sucks! The economy's gone down the toilet, the defecit's gone through the roof and the whole world hates us!

the whole world already hated us you idiot, they always have and always will. Al-gore wouldn't hae gone to war, would have done nothing and let us get attacked even more. Since 9/11 the economy hasn't been well and there is nothing that you can do about it, it would be the same or worse with gore, you just have to be patient it will bounce back. And as for you and your isreal, why don't you go to palistine and fight them if you hate them so much?

Because they would kill him unless he is of their ethnic background or provided information about America. Hamas and all the other PALESTINE Terrorist groups that attack Israel out of ignoramus tendencies wouldn't allow him otherwise.


By the way, since you obviously don't know this NothingSacred- Muslims from that area of the world hated the US LONG BEFORE Bush or Bush Sr. came into office.

His message about Israel is starting to get on your nerves huh Caps?

I'm going to be rude on this one - I hope we do bomb the crap out of Saddam and blow him to his ever burning Level of hell. By the way - you missed a couple of places and forgot to mention the countries that Assisted. Also, there is no mention of "why" so that is just an attempt to make those bombings appear as if we had nothing else to do.
If you wish to make a really good point - place the reasoning behind the attacks.

hahaha - dude, that part of the conversation has nothing to do with Bush or Iraq. You may want to reread it.
I'm not fully taking the politicals words - I'm looking at Iraqi history.


Originally posted by Caps#1
2. Saddam is a threat to America, he could easily send some of his biological weapons over here through a suicide bomber.
3. Saddam is buying US and British looking uniforms so he can call attacks on his own people and blame the US.


Number 3 sounds like something Saddam would do.

That's interesting - you post caps remarks to argue with me?


"Would you rather be a good American or just a good person? Since you're a conservative I have to assume that you're a Christian. What would Jesus think about your selfish attitude? Do you think he would want to blow the hell out of Iraq and ask questions later? Do you think it's Christianly to kill people just on the chance that they could attack you? "

You may want to read the old testament for an answer to that.

you really need to sit down and read the Bible some more if you are going to try to attack me from that angle because you just failed. Jesus was pr war when the time is right. Why don't you go to http://www.intouch.org/myintouch/br...ives_77395.html and click on A nation at war, which is the Feb. 17 message, that should explain to you a little better what Jesus would do.

good point

That is very good out look on the situation Sean - personally, I would attack BEFORE the finger was on the trigger. Done it once before when this guy showed up at a party with a gun. two of us jumped all over him - no one there even knew the guy.