Do you think Kobe is innocent? Yes or No then why

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I think he is innocent because Nasty little B@!#$ like Katelyn Faber wanna call rape just to get her nasty little a#$ some money and some attention. Think about it she lives in a little a#$ boring town. Nobody's probably heard of Eagle , Colorado before this all came out. Her little ***** wasn't worth going to jail for. Yes he was wrong for cheating on his wife but Kobe didn't commit a crime. Does anybody feel me?



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I think under the definition of the law, it could be considered rape. But I don't think you can goto a guy's place to have sex and then change your mind in the middle of sex. That's not my definition of rape, and I'd let Kobe walk if I were a juror.

Just because you go to someone's room doesn't mean you'll have sex with them. Just because A guy gives you a ride doesn't mean you're going to have sex. Anytime you are alone with a man means sex???

I think he did something sexually that he shoudn't have.

Kobe Bryant setting out to rape a woman? HELL NO! He has too much ambition for that. Maybe they were in the act and he was nearing that awesome explosion we men make...and she (knowing he was about to explode and being the insecure, crazed b*#%ch she is) told him to stop and he wanted her to waited for a few seconds to finish. But him setting out to rape a woman? NEVER!!!!!!!!!! INNOCENT!

You dare call me Jeemerton? I am gonna have to get a big buff black guy to come and beat you up!

Hey, I can't back down from a challenge... only to a black guy of course.

Its no question this case IS bigger than the O.J. Simpson case!! Its also clear to all that the woman Katelyn Kristine Faber is a liar because its been reported that a little over two months ago Katelyn Kristine Faber attempted suicide!!!! Its obvious the moment she saw Kobe, she also saw her ticket to easy street!!! Personally, i wuldnt believe a word that came out of her lying mouth!!!! Also the jury who will be called for the court case is going to be all WHITE!!! Mark my words, because Eagle county is 97% white!! I feel Kobe needs to have a fair hearing. It must be shifted to Denver.If not, I pray for a terrorist attack in Eagle county prior to October 9th to force a change in venue!!!!

What other way do u think is possible to give kobe a fairer hearing(i.e.mixed race jury!)?!. when u hav an answer for that u hit me bak. in the mean time, kobe to me is the victim here.Katelyn Kristine Faber has a "get-rich-quick"agenda here. If he was indeed raping her, why didnt she scream at the top of her longs the night she made LOVE to kobe????
theres no question he's the target of a broke hustler.
i applaude kobe for confessing instantly to sleeping with her: something yur former president found hard to do for national security reasons.
i stand by my statement that kobe shuld be given a formal apology by the state of colorado especially the police and prosecuting attorney!!!
free kobe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that he is guilty. As for the girl trying to commit suicide a couple months earlier, I don't think that this has anything to do with that. I don't see anyone making up a rape case. If she had red marks and ripped clothing - it was not consensual.

What does commiting suicide have anything to do with false rape charges?

Depression or suicidal tendencies have nothing to do with being raped, except that it means you're probably more susceptible to it.

He's guilty of cheating on his wife but is innocent of rape. Why would he want to or need to rape someone when he can get any woman.

Rape isn't usually about whether or not a guy can "get" a girl.

Meta, your posts aren't showing to the rest of us. Something is wrong. We can see them in usercp under your screen name, but not on the threads.

I finally figured that out. And here I figured I just wasn't inflammatory enough for anyone to say anything.

Originally posted by gosing


I suppose the attempted suicide matters because It will show a history of her mental state .

Thats a very true statement! A person's past is definitely looked upon in many things, especially cases like this.


innocent!

Considering the man hasnt even had a trial yet.....at this point I agree with you...and because I really do think he is innocent.

I think a bigger issue than Kobe's innocence or guilt is the way we view a woman's right to say no.

I believe a woman has the right to refuse any attention given to her by any man, and he'd better take no for an answer. Guys, it's high time you gave up the fantasy that the more she protests, the more she wants it. Cause guess what, if you are wrong, you are GUILTY OF RAPE! And, if we had any sense, we'd castrate you as part of your "rehabilitation."

I believe a woman has the right to kiss, even french-kissing, and to flirt without the man assuming she has consented to intercourse. They are not a package deal, guys, and it's high time you realized that, or else he is going to be guilty of RAPE.

I believe a woman DOES NOT have the right to engage in foreplay if she does not PLAN to have intercourse with the man. They ARE a package deal. Foreplay is called foreplay for a reason. Duh, it means what precedes sexual intercourse, it means sexual intercourse is the expected behavior.

I believe a woman DOES have the right to change her mind about intercourse, even after consenting to foreplay, IF the man becomes abusive or demands she perform acts unnatural to her. For instance, if he wanted to chain her to a bed, so it's more fun for him, she has the right to say, No way, Jose, get lost. And he had better zip back up and get himself out. Or, if he wanted to have anal sex instead of vaginal sex, she could say, sorry, that's not for me. If he persists, he is guilty of RAPE.

A woman definitely does NOT have the right to express buyer's remorse by charging rape.

INNOCENT!!! BIG TIME!!!

Why? It's TOTAL BS to say the woman can decide to say no at ANY POINT and then it becomes rape! Men need to fight back at this CRAP! What? You've been DOING IT, BIG TIME, HARD CORE for 15 minutes for example, the woman whispers, "No" and all of a sudden you're at the big house doing 5 to 10?

TOTAL, COMPLETE BS!!!

i believe he is guilty because once someone says no Kobe was committing not only adultery, but statuatory rape.

Once ANY PERSON says NO... and the other continues, it's rape. It's taking something that you want from someone else, and not caring of their feelings. You can rape your spouse, if you want sex, and they don't. Maybe she had sex with Kobe, willingly... but if she said no to him, at ANY point during intercourse, and tried to stop it, and he didn't listen... that's rape!!!

I'm NOT saying that Kobe is guilty. Only Kobe and this woman know the truth, 100%.

I appologize if I came across as if I though I was some expert on the topic. Obviously, I am not. I agree with just about everything you have said, and the site you linked to is great.

I am really only trying to point out two things:

(1) I have studied psychology, including the psychology of sex, and I've never come across a thought process of "The more she protests, the more she wants it." Like I said, I've never been in the situation firsthand, but I can't immagine anyone (normal) with that kind of mentality... it contradicts the principles of reverse psychology. Then again, it could be something I've just never come across, and I don't claim to be an expert. At any rate, I don't think it is the mindset of the male norm in this age.

(2) I am not saying that a woman can't say "no" to sex. I'm only saying that ONCE it has begun, it is EXTREMELY difficult to stop. (That's from a male perspective who HAS been there.) My point here is that women (SOME women) think that they can go as far with a guy as they want, and then stop whenever they feel like it. And I'm saying that is REALLY difficult, sometimes impossible. A woman has the right to refuse sex, but should not begin what she does not intent to finish...

Again, that link was really great. Thanks...

I underestand what Mike is saying. Yes, a woman can say NO at any point that she wants. But, if you've been fooling around, kissing, foreplay, and you've actully consented to the intercourse, and you're in the midst of it, it is quite difficult for a man to just say, "Oh, she doesn't want to now. Ok!" It is physically painful to a man at that point to just stop what they are doing. And I'm NOT backing up the men. I'm just stating that Mike's comments make sense. Just because he hasn't experienced sex, doesn't mean that he doesn't grasp the concept of the male psyche where sexual feeling is concerned. Still, if one person in a couple says stop, it should stop. It just becomes a challenge for the male to actually be able to stop. Yes, they can take matters "in to their own hands" so to speak, but you're not thinking like that during sex.

And Helen, you're right... women do have just as strong sexual feelings, but I don't think that it's with the intensity that a man does, all the time. As for you calling 911 That was too funny. Can you actually see them taking that call of yours. Oh my god... they wouldn't know what to do. It makes me think of this movie with Meg Ryan and Matthew Broderick. Meg's ex boyfriend is extremely allergic to strawberries and end up getting exposed to them, and getting two broken arms and is in casts. He can't scratch himself on his face and neck. He calls 911 and asks them to come scratch him.

Mike - no apology necessary

I need to apologize to you...I was not really trying to comment about you...somehow I messed it up..... in my haste trying to sound funny I sure look stupid sometimes

I did not read all the preceding posts but was concerned about the "can't stop" idea ... Mike and KJP - good replies

I'm so glad I'm not playing the dating game any more...seems like you need a lawyer and a doctor present to have "safe sex" for all the things you have to fear about today

You guys just don't want to hear no. No is not a pleasing word. Men have "stopped" for thousands of years before exploding into their wives. Withdrawal has been the mainstay of birth control for Catholics. Men can stop. That is a myth that horny guys spread on stupid women about "blue balls". Stop the crap on this spoiled story.

I do believe a woman can say no at anytime, and the guy should respect that... however, if this is even related, if penetration has already occured, even though the guy may be able to stop (we are capable of such things)... if the man is a little miffed at the time, I sure hope he's forgiven. Also, up until the point the woman says no, any penetration should not be counted as rape. Though prior to this she may have disliked the feeling, this was not expressed until that point. It seems like a very unfortunate case when such a thing happens though. It'd be easier if they just knew whether or not they wanted to have sex in the first place...

Oh, to answer the topic question though: yes, I think Kobe is innocent. Why? Well, because I haven't heard any proof beyond reasonable doubt to convict him with. But maybe there's more to come.

yes and no! because i don't believe the press, pr people, or forums. i really need to be on the jury and hear the evidence, which by the way is the way it should be. i believe the police and d.a. did what they did because of evidence. i believe it is up to a jury to see if that evidence is valid. and that on other than capital offenses (offences for the brits) 2/3 is enough to convict!

I was not implying anything about penetration. Just that men do have control. i.e. This idea that once you turn a guy on, there is no way he can stop and it is a force that must finish is bull#$%I was using Catholic men as an example.
I am not saying a woman should be a prick teaser or anything like that, but I am saying if she does do a jerky thing like that and say "no", the guy has to stop. If he rams it, and says she lead me on: it is still rape. Now, if she lets him ram it and does not resist in any way or try to say no, then jumps up and says , "Hey, dude you raped me......Too bad for her!!!
Yeah Kobe is presumed innocent until proven guilty, that still does not mean he did not do it. I think his ego is so big that no woman says no to Kobe. Yeah, I think he really did force her to do something she was trying to stop. He will definitely get away with it like OJ did when he nearly cut the heads of Nicole and Ron off their bodies. Money is all it takes for a dream team to get you off.

Do I think Kobe is innocent? An utterly ignorant, asinine, absurd and irrelevant question. How the hell can one pose that question given the cloud of ignorance, speculation, and sensationalism hanging over the case. Thank goodness this case will be tried in a courtroom, and not by sycophants on both sides who have already made up their minds based on the thimbles of evidence heretofore available to the public. How the hell can one pose that question given democracy's admonishment to withhold judgment until all the facts are in.


Second, the question is irrelevant. The judgment that the jury will ultimately be asked to render is guilty/not guilty. A finding off "not guilty" does not necessarily mean the jury believes that the defendant is innocent. It does mean that the evidence presented did not convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty of the charged crime. Indeed, it is perhaps a rare jury whose "not guilty"verdict is synonymous with "innocence beyond a reasonable doubt."

Okay, go ahead and call me intellectually dishonest, but I do have an opinion of the case. I don't know whom to believe. I have a reasonable doubt, and given Mr. Bryant's exceptionally talented legal team (and the relatively inexperienced prosecutor) and his unlimited investigative budget, reasonable doubt will most likely survive jury trial.

Lets face it, neither Mr. Bryant nor the alleged victim are inherently credible. Both of them demonstrated appallingly poor judgment--the young woman in flirting with Mr. Bryant, entering his room, and voluntarily engaging in foreplay; Mr. Bryant, a married man, in taking advantage of her infatuation with an eye towards some gratuitous sex. Similarly, the lives of both parties will be irrevocably and profoundly impacted by the jury's verdict. Mr. Bryant's freedom and multimillion dollar earning capacity hang in the balance, alongside the accuser's multimillion dollar civil claim and society's approval or rejection. While Mr. Bryant has the choice of testifying, the accuser does not have that luxury, and obviously, her motive to live will be fair game for the talented defense team. Neither party has clean hands. She was obviously after the rich and famous athlete because of her own aspirations of wealth and fame (by shakedown or love, or either?); he was after "a quick piece of ass."

Simply put, neither party will enter the courtroom from the "high ground," nor will either party scale the fantastic heights necessary to claim a monopoly of the truth. The accuser is incapable of convincing all twelve persons that Mr. Bryant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That Mr. Bryant is equally incapable of convincing the same twelve of his innocence is irrelevant in the eyes of the lawy; and will be irrelevant in the eyes of the jury, who will find the accusers mental and emotional instability a sufficient point of distinction to declare Mr. Bryant "the winner".

Unlike O.J., this case has reasonable doubt written all over it. Mr. Bryant will not have to rely on mediocre and ineffective prosecutors, incompetent technicians, and a racist cop. Nor will he require the "dream team;" his "second team" will do quite nicely. But he will require a jury unbiased and unpersuaded by race--a fair jury. The State was not afforded that luxury in the prosecution of Simpson, nor in the prosecution of the Rodney King cops. Here the defense team faces their most difficult non-legal challenge: convincing the public, along with all prospective jurors, that Kobe Bryant is not an evil Mike Tyson, nor even a benign George Foreman. He should be compared to and treated like William Kennedy Smith, whose "reasonable doubt" acquittal (the victim there, like here, may well have been raped; despite some suspicions that both men might have ignored unequivocal shouts of "no", a judgment which we cannot make with moral certainty) had a lot to do with money, competence, incompetence, and a dubious accuser, but nothing to do with race.

I think that he is very innocent...Now why would he want a ugly azz chic when he has a pretty wife and a daughter? The chic is flat out lieing and when they find that out then everybody that thought he did it is gone feel real stupid!

I bet all youse guys made all A's in high school.

Innocent.
She didn't have to go to his room.
She didn't have to start kissing him.
She didn't have to get undressed.
She could have left at anytime.
She probably felt bad afterwards and claimed rape.
I wonder if she had the opprtunity, how quickly will she settle out of court for a quick millinon?

Guilty.
He didn't have to ask her to his room.
He didn't have to start kissing her.
He didn't have to pull her panties off.
He could have asked her to leave at anytime.
He probably felt bad afterwards that he bent her over a chair 5 minutes and rammed her.
If he had the opportunity, I wonder if he would have tried to pay her off to not tell he raped her.

KOBE IS INNOCENT, THE ONLY THING HE IS GUILTY OF IS CHEATING ON HIS WIFE!!! KOBE'S ACCUSER'S ELEVATOR IS NOT GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, KOBE I AM SO DISAPPOINTED IN YOU, YOU KNOW "THEY' ARE LURKING OUT THERE FOR YOU RICH AND FAMOUS GUYS TO TRAP YOU INTO A SITUATION LIKE THIS, I HOPE KOBE AND ALL AFRO AMERICAN ATHELETES LEARN FROM THIS . MY PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU KOBE

She was showing him to his room. There were only 2 people working in the hotel... He probably got turned on and couldn't control himself. What I'd like to know is why wasn't his wife with him, especially if he's having surgery. I understand people are in a lot of pain following an operation.. was he on medication??

He didn't have the operation until the next day...she is a flea bitten mongrol. The NBA groupies are way better looking than that low pro ho. Kobe can get as much FREE trim as he wants in any city at any time. She stated to the police officer that they had "chemistry" (no it was sexual animal lust), honestly I think they were having consensual sex and he tried to do her in the butt and she freaked out.

she wasn't showing him to his room either... both parties admitted that the encounter happended hours after he had been shown to his room and after her shift was over. She came up there for sex.

Why do people claim to know the truth about what happened? It's disgusting that so many people are that ignorant.

No matter WHO'S to blame, right or wrong... ( I think that they are BOTH at fault) what we think doesn't matter. And, if it goes to trial and he's found guilty, or innocent, that still doesn't matter. Because he could be the exact opposite of what he is found.

Everyone is going to have an opinion... that's just a fact of life. But no one here knows the truth. The ONLY people that know are the two that were involved. Bottom line.

I had just watched a special about Kobe on A & E which inspired me to look this up and they stated a few times, that she told him she had to leave so she could clock out. Her shift apparently wasn't over, but it looks like she was getting some OT...

well, there's only 2 people they could have gotten that info from... maybe it's a little biased?

I wish some of you guys could have your bu#% hole rammed by a dude twice your size and then maybe you would see. (a stranger) Guys aren't raped statistically nearly as often as women. That booty is more on demand and especially if you can feel you're "taking it".What an added thrill. Speaking as an expect, I know that a woman is raped every 3 minutes in America. We do not want to think of this reality. It has to be that females are making it up or wanted it. Actually 2 % do make it up. and that is in line with all other false claims in Amercican crimes. i.e. robberies, etc
Duh. If only I could make it happen to you like it did to me. That would give you all a whole new perspective .
But in essense , who really cares anyway. You might sing a different tune if it were your sister or "mama".

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NO! means NO! It does'nt matter if she had the intent to have sex when she went to the room. It's very evident that she was a virgin, so why would she pick Kobe to be the first, and what would she be gaining ( NOT A THING) waiting to loose her virginity to a married man! DON'T THINK SO!, because she did not expect kobe to react out of control. KOBE IS GUILTY!

She's a virgin only in the sense she's never had black meat.

So what if she thought he might want to kiss her, etc. In date rape cases the girls were consenting to petting, etc but that doesn't mean necessarily that they wanted or were ready for penetration and to be held down. Lots of women like to make-out but the guys act like they are in so much pain with "blue balls" and have to shoot off in her. What's wrong with doing their usual "choking" that they do in their bedrooms.

I don't think she is a virgin, nor do I care if she did the whole football team and the coach and the waterboy. I don't care if she is a whore. If she was shoved down onto a chair with his big basketball palming hand on the back of her head and his dick rammed in her without her willingness then he commited rape. That's it!!!
If she said, "Sounds good to me." Then that's okay too.

singlemom where in the blue hell did you get that she was a virgin? not even the tabloids have that lie spreading around in them. Apparently they found the semen and pubic hairs of other men in her panties (hence the 3men in 3 days argument

This isn't the case of some Evil basketball player snatching the virgin mary out of her bed at night to violently beat and rape her. It's two people, who's sex lives america never previously cared about going into a room late at night of their own free will, and leaving with two differen't stories. If you can tell what happened in that room that night with enough certainty to type in all caps that kobe is guilty, without the benefit of any evidence then you have a very special gift, and might want to consider joining the x-men or avengers, they need your psychic powers. I just hope nobody like you or zippyzip the advocate of anal rape ends up on the jury, because it doesn't sound like either of you is interested in justice nearly as much as vengence.

I don't believe this ****, now some of you people are saying this I screwed 3 guys this week before Kobe is a virgin, give me a ****ing break. Where have you people been on Mars, she is no virgin by a long shot, her panties have already proven that. Good try though Martians from planet Dumb Ass.

I think the timing to some of these replys get really mixed up. I was answering to someone who said that she was a virgin. No it has been proven that she was not a virgin. I responded to whoever said that statement quite a while ago.These replies seem to have a delayed reaction.

But, back again to the person who said she was a virgin......

No, I do not think she was , and to repeat, I do not care if she is a wh#$%.
Who#$# and prostitutes get raped too. Or do they not have rights just as much as virgins.
and who makes it to 18 as a virgin anyway. There is much too much insest in America for that!

Well are all you Kobe haters happy?!! It's going to trial, but he is still going to be found innocent. There is just too much reasonable doubt, little Miss Innocent will get twisted up on that witness stand, liars always do.

If she were Jesus Christ, Pamela Mackey would have him crying and saying he was gay and had fu$%#d Mary Magdeline before he got off the stand.
There will definitely be a guilty verdit and the guilty one will come out to be the accuser. Only 2 % of women are lieing accordcng to gov. stats but a defense attorney will use the "sluts and nuts" strategy everytime. That's why we don't tell usually. It just isn't worth it. We just try to go on with our lives and hope that it doesn't happen again. But unfortunately, in my rape survivor classes that I have had to attend, some of the women have been raped several times in their lives . We just do not, as a society want to realize that this happens. Women just have to be a bunch of liars. There's one thing for sure, I know the guy raped me at knife point and it is his word against mine. Cops do not care and society does not care unless it happens to themselves or someone they love really well.

I do have empathy for your unfortunate situation, however I just don't believe this girl.

zippyzip how does the gov. know that 2% are lying? do the other 98% just reeeeally, really promise that they're telling the truth?

I don't think a small town is going to take on someone of Kobe's power and wealth unless they really believe there was sexual assualt.A woman can say no at any point legally and it can be rape.My guess is she went up there to fool around but had no intention of taking it in the backdoor.Rape is about power,Kobe probably felt who is this loser hotel chick to turn me down.If she did 3 dudes that week that means nothing legally.20 dollar street whores can be raped too.Nobody here knows Kobe,even his teammates dont maybe he has a dark side.Dont believe the image created by commercials and well rehearsed news conferances.

your right! maddog20/20

[QUOTE][i]chuksi2001 said this in post

If he was indeed raping her, why didnt she scream at the top of her longs the night she made LOVE to kobe????


I couldn't resist replying....
You think she made LOVE to Kobe?? HA! Making love happens between two people in LOVE! They were banging or whatever....he was most likely forcing himself on her...or trying some sort of sex act she didn't want to be part of!

I think he is the victim.. She knew full and well going into his room would lead to something.You dont go into someones hotel room if you dont know them especially.Its only obvious what was gonna happen.. she lookin for attention thought maybe she'll get it from him bein bipolar is a problem with her mental ability to take things the wrong way..My brother is going through the same thing with his ex wife she is bipolar and blames it on him saying he raped her and stuff. but in all reality she is just clueless dont know when to take someone serious or not and thinkin her way is the only way it has to be because she took something that was said and twisted it..
I hope they let her mental ability in the courts cause being bipolar is a MAJOR PROBLEM.yeah meds help but not always its the step down from schitzo so not far off from being schitzophrenic....If they dont let it be known he could very well lose his case...yes its sad its hard to believe someone with this order would do things like she is..Its sad that sometimes the courts are confused on who is the victim and to protect a victim by keeping medical records out of it but they have a lot to do with the whole thing..

Eagle County prosecutors don't have a good record in winning rape cases for the last two years. They have lost 66% of those rape cases tried (3 out of 6 trials plus one dismissal.) But rape studies have shown that as much as half reported rape claims are FALSE.

As reported in the article below, some of these women just want another notch on their garter belt. Some of them are looking for something more – they're looking for money – lots of money. Their intention is to lie about birth control and have unprotected sex with the hope of getting pregnant. They know that having the child of a wealthy athlete is a guarantee of easy street for at least 18 years. No work, nice house, nice cars – the works. Typical of another high profile case is Bonney Lee Blakely against Robert Blake the wealthy actor.

http://209.17.95.115/images/boortz.jpgThe large brain of every athlete is aware of the fact that they can be sued by false claims. Happens every day across the country to wealthy people. They're walking deep pockets. "Disaster happens when they let the small brain do all the thinking. These athletes have been warned, but the testosterone level is almost as high as the hoop." Read What Neal Boortz Wrote About False Rape Claims Towards Athletes <--- Just Click Here

Ha....kobe couldn't get nearly 10% of the women out there. Men don't give most women enough credit, yes money is a major motive for women..and with it security. But on the side note, her attempts to commit suicide are irrelevent. I know lots of women that tried to kill themselves, or cut themselves in highschool and are perfectly sane ppl now. Kobe on the other hand should have more control. If you can't control your enisp, then you deserve to have it cut off like mr. bobbitt. He had a wife...if he wants to be a player off the court...he can get divorced, else, he should accept the consequences of his actions. There is no such thing as a "semi" good man. Kobe is the type of loser that would stab his best friend in the back to have a go at his best friends girl...or even his best friends wife. BURN KOBE!!! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!