To All Americans

Post-9/11 Era Forum

Could you please visit this site http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/iraq.html
and give me your comments on the information contained there. I'm fed up to the back teeth hearing
that Americans are uninformed and ignorant of world
economics.

You may want to check your link.
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no it doesn't

berkeley was spelled wrong

Whoops - that's what I get for not paying attention.

What a bunch of bull!!!! I hope that the author didn't get a grade for that.

Oh that's right Berkeley is a liberal college isn't it. Remember all the protesters from the Vietnam era.

I used to work in Berkeley near the university. If a week went by without SOME form of protest then something was gravely awry.

very interesting to read.

Goots,

I would hardly call it evidence. There are a lot of truths in the document but they take those truths and spin them into theorys that just arn't true. It's just retoric to support their view.

You know we don't have a crisis here with oil. Gas prices have gone up a bit because of panic and because of the world price per barrel of oil. But that's more panic because of war.

One other thing, who should you believe. People who receive daily intelligence briefings from the worlds best intelligence agencies like CIA and MI6, or people who recieve all their intelligence from the media?

I'm not going to repost the stuff that I've already posted. However you can visit my site. And that document is too long to rip apart.

http://iraq.usaiway.net

It is a paper placed together through person beliefs and person stand point. Exaggerations are mostly truths but placed on a higher level to appeal more to emotion and those against war.

I think that gas stations use the threat of war as an excuse to higher prices, Sable, I think no matter what you read or how much proof we give you will ever change your mind.

I think that's part true but the gas were I live was 1.85 a gallon in May of 2001 -
Now it's 1.49 a gallon here.

Well, here where I live it is one of the highest prices ever at 1.65-1.75 a gallon for regular gas. We should consider ourselves lucky, I hear in some parts of CA gas is 2.50+ for one gallon of regular.

That's what I've heard.
Hope it doesn't reach that here. I'm going to ask my friend from NY what here's is.

dont be to worry, as soon as the war wil begin, the price will go down.

Possibly - but i'm not worried about to much. Get paid pretty nice to sit on my hippie arse all day.


Unless it reaches 2.10+ a gallon. Then I would be

it's $2.30/gallon here for the 91 grade that my car needs glad my commute is less than 15 miles, it used to be a lot worse.

Yikes....Glad it hasn't reached that here. My round trip to work and back is about 35- 40 miles. Depends if I take the hwy to the turnpike/toll road, or just the highway.

i don't work and don't drive so I don't care...lol, and who cares what the buses have to pay for gas to take me to school!!!

who cares...may be the million of iraqi that has already died, and the thousands to come.
enjoy the 1 dollar difference you will get.

Congratulations, Sable. That was the 1000th post in the Iraq forum.

YEAH! YAY! You've won the FREE , "NUKE IRAQ!" bumper sticker! Just mail us your address!

WE ARE NOT GOING TO KILL CIVILAINS, YOU ANTI-WAR PEOPLE USE THAT ARGUMENT EVERY TIME, BUT IT FAILS, WE WILL NOT HURT CIVILAINS AND YOU KNOW IT, THE TRUTH IS YOU HAVE NO REASONS TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION. AND AS FOR THAT BUMPER STICKER, I WANT IT, I WOULD PUT IT ON MY FUTURE CAR, lol, AND AS FOR YOU SABLE, WATCH THE NEWS SOME MORE AND GET CAUGHT UP ON WHY WE NEED TO GO TO WAR.

very good point Dreamzwalker

I was simply trying to make the point that there will in fact be civilian casualties.

I don't want to argue over who is to blame for them.

Regarding big changes since the last Gulf War, I am very dubious. Are you talking about the Mother of all Bombs they've just developed perhaps? Or the Bush administrations eagerness to make use of chemical + nuclear weapons?

Sorry, I should qualify that. They are trying to get congress to let them use and further develop 'non-lethal' chemical weapons, and 'mini'-nukes. I wouldn't want to imply that the US was using WMD in the war against WMD or anything!

Anyway, as I said, I was just trying to make a basic point about the realities of war to our expert Caps, rather than to start a debate on exactly how many civilians will die in the war and who is to blame.