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| Posted by: Mufasa | | What we have here is a little tramp that wanted to get laid by a superstar. After a couple days, she realized how people would look at her for committing adultery with a African-American man. Mom and dad would never believe that their little angel would ever allow herself to be polluted by a Negro (Eagle Co. mentality). Then it must have been rape! It couldn't of been because she wanted to know if what they say about black guys is true. Ha! I'm thinking that's exactly what made her want it.
With all the chit wrong with this little girls head, no one is safe around her. She's even a danger to herself.
Kobe, to you I say, "Never trust another horny chick that's not wearing that $4 million dollar ring". To buy that for her took pure, true love.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: carmdizzle | | I'm gonna have to agree with my man Mufasa here...If any person with the slightest amount of common sense took one look at Kobe, you would see that he is not the type of man that would have to beg or forcefully take sex from any female, with all the panties he gets thrown at him on a daily basis!! Was he wrong for cheating on his wife? Hell yeah!! Did he rape this crazy bicch? Doubt it...But I think society in general is tired of seeing this "perfect athlete" on TV everyday so the first chance they get to critisize him or put him down and they're all over it like white on rice...Don't hate on the man for having skills in basketball, people!! And also don't forget that he IS A MAN, and they can only say no to excess pu$$y so many times before they give in to temptation!! I'd forgive him too if I got a $8 million dollar ring!! Stand by your man, Vanessa!! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: mars | | If he was not he would never have admitted to the adultry in the first place.
Eagle, Colorado mentality? What the hell is that supposed to mean. Obviously written by a lame brain that's never been there.
Just one of the most beautiful places in the USA..People AND Land.
He will be proven guilty...Science and the bellboy testimony will convict him and he'll thankfully be in jail for at least 5 years.
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| Posted by: darknmpls | | You take the bellboy, who isn't even american over people whom KNOW this girl personally?????
Oh well.. People will see it the way they want to.. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Allgood | | I'm gonna have to agree with Mufasa on this one.....I think this chick wanted to know if the myth about black men is true.....and since Kobe was being so nice to her......why not find out with him......As for the "physical evidence" that the D.A. says they have (un-natural ***** punishment) that would happen if she was tight which by the looks of her she probably didn't get laid often......if she ever did.....which would make her pretty tight. She probably enjoyed it too.....but once her parents found out.....like mufasa said.....they couldn't believe that their "little angel" would voluntarily have sex with a "negro" .....so it had to be rape.......so that would explain why her mom made the first call and reported rape.......but answer me this question everybody.......If it was an actual rape.....why did she wait to tell or report it to anybody.......and why was she seen at a party bragging and laughing about the experience to a few people at the party.....especially bragging about kobe's <removed - inappropriate language> size......now if it was actually rape....do you think she would do that ......Holla Back! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: JDG | | HMMM!! Interesting point Mufasa, I have to agree with you on this one. I wasn't too sure if he did or if he didn't until I heard about her bragging at a party. Who goes to a party after being raped? Being female myself I know for a fact that I wouldn't be doing much if I was "brutally" raped the week before. I think that Vanessa is the victim here. But I'm sure she will find a way to get through it especially after getting that ring!! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Allgood | | This chick blew her own case by not only going to a party but by bragging about what happened between her and Kobe and definitely by laughing and joking and explaining Kobe's anatomy. That will be a major part of the kobe's attorney's defense....and the fact that she's crazy....or was at least taken to a hospital after trying to OD on pills and kept there for mental evaluation.....happened no more than 3 months before this stuff with Kobe......things are looking for her. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: JoeMamaGuilty | | You my friend are an idiot - She told someone at the hotel that night right after it happened. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: sahrapat | | You seem to be forgetting Kobe is an idiot.
The Evidence against him.
1. He's a jock.
2. He didn't go to college.
3. He married really young.
4. He spent 4 million on one ring. (all the evidence you need, Bill Gates wouldn't spend that kind of $ on a ring)
Kobe had hot babe falling on thier back with their legs in the air all the time.
5. He didn't pick one of them to cheat with.
6. Because of that probably thought no really meant yes.
7. Doesn't realize not every girl will fall over legs in air for him.
8. First denied everything saying "you know me." Then said he cheated. Next he'll say it's not about the money I just want to win.
Tyson had hot women falling over legs in the air too before he was convicted of rape.
Kobe is guilty if not rape certainly stupidity but most likely both. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Puns96SS | | Mufasa is right!! along with Allgood!! this chick has blown the case for herself by going to that party and bragging about "I had sex with Kobe Bryant" plus as long as this investigation has been going on, why did it take the bellboy or whoever the hell he is, so damn long to come out and say that she left the hotel distraught? plus the fact that this chick is not right in the head because of the fact that she tried to O.D. because she broke up with her boyfriend, therefore not giving her story not alot of credibility.
Now lets talk about this ring.....8 karats $4mil wow!! now how can Vanessa not suspect something that just Kobe 2 months salary? if you take a look in the world 90% of the women who own a ring or a tennis bracelet ("that their husbands just gave to them out of the blue") usually end their marriage in a divorce because they found their husbands cheating on them. Kobe knew what he was doing when he bought her that ring, he was trying to hide something but in the end it all just came back and nipped him in the arse. ......................I'm out..........peace | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Allgood | | Thank you Puns96ss! You just backed up my point perfectly.... Kobe is not saying that nothing happened he's just saying that it was all consenual.....which doesn't make it better....he still cheated on his wife.....but he's no rapist. Someone answer this question that Puns96ss brought out......"why did this bellboy or whoever he is.....wait so long to come forward and say this chick left distraught that night?" It just doesn't make sense.....she's already posed a threat to herself because of a guy breaking up with her and now she's accusing a guy of rape because of who he is. She probably gave it up voluntarily and because she hadn't had sex in a while.....but then again.....she's probably just seeing dollar signs and what she can gain from this case.... Let's not forget she's an aspiring model and actress....so she probably thinks that this exposure will be good for her career.... man is she mistaken!!!!!!! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Puns96SS | | I don't think there's a camera in the world that'll help her with her modeling career, this girl is just straight up garbage. Anyways I was actually listening to a talk show yesterday and something was said that could pose a HUGE fact in what made her say what she said. And that is: maybe Kobe didn't give her the respect that she wanted, maybe after Kobe was done screwing the slut he realized, "what in the hell did I just do" maybe those were the thoughts that were going through his head. Upon realizing this he told the slut to "get out, just get out" maybe he was panicked and nervous and just needed to get her out of the room. And when he told her that, she got all emotionally hurt and took off. Hence the reason Kobe went home and bought the ring cuz he was still nervous and scared to tell.............................................then again these are only my opinions.....to each his own............peace | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Famester | | I think the issue of "respect" does a play a role in this, even though it doesn't excuse Kobe's stupidity.
Friends of this girl have been quoted as saying that she was flirting with Kobe and felt that there was some kind of "chemistry" between them.
That means that this girl probably went to Kobe Bryant's hotel room with stars in her eyes, thinking that a rich and famous man was interested in her.
She thought he was interested in her, but really all Kobe wanted was a piece of ass. That's were the "respect" issue comes up. It's the same thing that happened to Mike Tyson. A young woman goes to Tyson's hotel room late at night and Tyson uses her sexually and then kicks her out. This makes the girl feel humiliated, like she has been used like a whore and then thrown out.
Something similar could be going on in the Bryant case. The girl thought there was "chemistry" between herself and a famous man. She probably thought she had a chance to become his girlfriend or something. She willingly went to his hotel room late at night and "fooled around" with him. She ended up having her body used roughly.
Basically I think what happened is that Kobe Bryant was looking for easy sex with a chick who went to his room willingly to fool around. And then the chick who thought there was "chemistry" between herself and a famous man engaged in "fooling around" that turned rough. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Allgood | | You guys nailed it......she didn't feel respected that's why she's doing what she's doing. I'm glad someone brought up Tyson. Should he have gone to prison for that....in my opinon "no". But then again it was a case of "he said she said" and there were no witnesses. But what the hell did she think they were going to do at 2 in the f**kin morning. Anyway, Kobe wanted some ass and she was ready and willing to give it up but she was disillusioned and "felt a chemistry" between herself and Kobe and since kobe didn't reciprocate the same feelings she's accusing him of rape. The only feelings kobe was having were in his freakin pants.....which to me is really stupid because his wife is a whole lot better than this 'ho'. She didn't feel respected because she was basically a bootycall and that's what upset her. Is kobe completely innocent in this situation......no.....but did he rape this chick.....i don't think so.....she is really mistaken. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: natasha2003 | | point to argue to the detractors and those wearing blinders:
There is NO SUCH THING as "innocent until proven guilty !!! Those arguing such things have forgotten two things:
1. They must mean "PRESUMED innocent until proven guilty" which is DEFINITELY different. If you rob a bank, you are guilty, even tho the trial hasn't happened yet. YOU know you are guilty, the bank clerk certainly knows you are guilty, those witnesses who saw you rob the bank definitely know you are guilty, and the police and prosecutors who have seen the video also KNOW you are guilty. You are ABSOLUTELY guilty, but not proven guilty as yet in a court of law !!!!!!!!!
2. The accused is only "PRESUMED innocent until proven guilty" in a COURT OF LAW. Only in the court of law. This does not pertain to public opinion. Just to the courtroom. That means that the judge and jury should wait and withhold judgement until they see that the evidence proves your guilt. Until such time as the evidence shows your guilt, the judge and jury are obligated to keep an open mind and presume you are innocent. Nobody else has to.
Therefore the public and press etc. are free to see and say what they believe, and are under NO obligation to see the bank robber or Kobe as innocent. We are not the judge and jury. We can say he's guilty if we feel he is.
If he has raped this girl, Kobe Bryant is as guilty now , as much as he is at the end of his trial.
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Too bad Kobe’s WEDDING ring didn't mean THE SAME AMOUNT to him as his guilt-offering of 4 million dollars. Nor did his wedding VOWS mean all that much either. If he lied before God and his wife on their wedding day….WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE HIM? He’s already told us he lies.
I don't believe how much this poor girl has to suffer coz the dog was caught doing what he shouldn’t have been doing anyway.
These over spoiled players feel they can have whatever, whomever and whenever they like it. I'm glad this girl has enough "balls" to have him charged, even tho his people will crucify her before it comes to trial. If only Kobe had the same "balls" in keepin his own balls inside his zipped-up married pants.
4 million dollar "ring of guilt" doesn't make him innocent. Just CAUGHT.
Why should we look up to a cad who wants to use young girls, and disrespect his own wife just because he is out of town and thinks he it safe to do so? Because he thinks HE should be allowed to rape and walk? I don’t think so! Best of luck to the young girl.
We would be better served to look elsewhere to find a hero, than with Kobe Bryant. Perhaps the unnamed victim is a greater hero than he could have ever been. God bless her ! She is fast becoming my own hero. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: DiamondStatus | | I agree with those of ya'll who say Kobe is innocent in the sense that he did NOT sexually assault / "rape" her. I'm a huge Kobe fan and was disappointed to hear about all this drama revolving around him and his marriage. People make mistakes and he obviously made a BIG one by sleeping with that chick.
I highly doubt that he thought something like this would come out of it. Whether Kobe is a great person or a "conniving, under handed person" (quoted from various media), nobody wants their repuation damaged. Period. So I don't think he would risk all his money and a dirty footprint on his clean reputation just for one night of hoopla with some random female.
So he slept with another person. He cheated on his wife. Fine. Kobe and Vanessa Bryant need to deal with that within their relationship. That situation makes him a man who has now changed his life for the negative and has provoked for his privacy to be scruntinized. It makes him a man who people once looked up to and now may look down on. Cheating is wrong. Getting caught is even worse. But being accused of rape and sexual assault is RIDICULOUS.
My take on it? Nobody will EVER really know what went on in that hotel room except KOBE BRYANT and THE GIRL HE SLEPT WITH. So it doesn't matter what any of us think, feel, or believe ... I just hope that whomever wins this case is the one telling the TRUTH. I can't imagine anything worse than Kobe going to jail for something he DIDN'T do or Kobe NOT going to jail for something he DID do.
Personally, I believe in Kobe's innocence and I hope that Miss "I slept with a basketball star, bragged about it, then decided to claim he raped me" is proven to be an emotional wreck who obviously has issues within herself. I feel that Kobe did not rape her nor force her to do anything she didn't want to do, even if it's only for the simple fact that he's a person who had way too much on the line to risk anything. HELLO! I don't think Kobe is stupid. Why would he go and rape someone, knowing they'd tell? I mean, really. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Allgood | | I hear what you are saying that Kobe is "presumed innocent" until proven guilty and that the public and media are all allowed to have their own opinions.....all i'm sayin is look at the evidence that has transpired so far......she was already in a hospital for trying to commit suicide......before this situation with kobe.....and she was held there for mental evaluation because she was thought to be a risk to her own health or the health of someone else. She was seen at a party after the "alleged" incident with kobe.......laughing and bragging about her sexual experience with kobe......not to mention that she was talking about how well endowed he is......come on now......would she really be doing that if she were raped? Am I saying that kobe is completely guilt free.......hell no.......he's as guilty as they come.....when it comes to adultery......yes...he made a vow to his wife before god and didn't keep it......that is truly wrong (which is why he bought vanessa that $4 million ring) but, for this girl to accuse him of rape.....when all the evidence points to it being consenual.....mainly her bragging about his size to other people.......and her own friends who grew up with her saying that they don't believe her......that's just defeating her own purpose.....And you mentioned that she has "balls" to stand up and charge him with rape......yeah that's serious and it does take "balls" to do that....especially when you know that you're gonna get dragged through the mud as well......I'm not saying that kobe is a saint or a hero but according to the evidence that has been collected so far......he's no rapist.......we'll see how everything plays out but........so far things don't look good for her.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Nsanebrane | | Truth is always stranger than fiction.I didn't believe that a woman would file a bogus rape charge until my former girlfreind told me that she had once done so.She was selling rocks before I met her and she said a customer stiffed her on payment, so she had sex with him, then cried rape.I think the guy is dead now because she told me her husband went over and shot up the guy's house. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Debra937 | | I heard he stopped having sex with his wife after the baby was born. Maybe he was backed up? I would think if he did rape her, more than likely there would be other women coming forward with the same claim. I haven't heard any new claims. Rapists usually don't have just one victim. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Debra937 | | I heard there is a camera on each floor of the hotel. I think a lot of answers will come from that depending on how clear it is. If it is a good tape, we probably will be able to see these so called bruises and her behavior as she left the room.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: cosmic11 | | I think Kobe is an innocent man, and am so tired of the media trying to convict him until he is proven innocent. This girl knew what she wanted and all the witnesses could all be invoved in a scheme to make $$$ off Kobe. She may torn her own clothing, in attempt to make the accusation of rape look even better, and since she tried to commit suicide, I wouldn't doubt it if the chick grabbed her own throat and scratched it and caused all other injuries to herself "self inflicted", she sounds like she does have a mental problem. Sure wish Attorney Slovis was also on the defense team, because I really enjoy to hear his comments about her when Fox has him on, but as for the rest of the media I feel they are overwhelming trying to convict Kobe. I pray Kobe gets off an innocent man, not just because of the LA Lakers, I'm not a fan of theirs, I'm a Spurs and Maverick fan, but this man is innocent just as Mike Tyson was in 1992!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: L2zbee | | We live in a world where everyone wants to blame someone else for their behavior. So what if I'm a slut still doesn't give anyone the right to rape me. As in many cases it is the young and weak that end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. As for the ring. I'm not sure throwing money at a problem does anything to solve it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Jeem | |
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Originally posted by Debra937
I heard he stopped having sex with his wife after the baby was born. Maybe he was backed up? I would think if he did rape her, more than likely there would be other women coming forward with the same claim. I haven't heard any new claims. Rapists usually don't have just one victim. |
But every rapist has a first victim. Why can't she be his first victim? Maybe he thought he could just throw some money at the girls he roughs up and that'll be the end of it.
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| Posted by: stinky_nutz | | I never liked Kobe.....he is just another over rated basketball player...... This is just one more reason for me not to like that guy | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: ronnietalk2russ | |
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Originally posted by stinky_nutz
I never liked Kobe.....he is just another over rated basketball player...... This is just one more reason for me not to like that guy |
Say what you want about the case but Mr. Bryant is definitely NOT an overrated player. Excuse me, but...ummm, do you actually WATCH basketball? 
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| Posted by: stinky_nutz | | I used to watch basketball......but i never watched any of Kobes games.... who took most of the shots on the Lakers......Kobe Bryant did....thats the only reason he has so many points per game and all of that other ****, if all of the players would take as many shots as he did.....they would prolly be just like Kobe.....over-rated
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| Posted by: ronnietalk2russ | |
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Originally posted by stinky_nutz
I used to watch basketball......but i never watched any of Kobes games... |
That's what I thought! 
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| Posted by: Allgood | | I can't believe someone is saying that Kobe is an over-rated player......that's the craziest dumbest **** i've ever heard.....Kobe is a great basketball player.......he's not my favorite because I don't even like the Lakers but regardless of what team anyone likes it can't take away from the fact that Kobe is one of the best players in the league......Stinky Nutz mentioned that he's over-rated because he takes all the shots and does everything else for the lakers.....if that's the case i guess Allen Iverson is over-rated too......because he does the same thing for the sixers.......THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS.......KOBE IS A GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER WHO IS VERY INTELLIGENT ON THE COURT BUT OBVIOUSLY HAS TO LEARN TO MAKE SOME BETTER DECISIONS OFF THE COURT.......WITH THAT BEING SAID......ANY NBA ANALYST OR STREETBALL PLAYER WILL AGREE WITH ME......EVEN IF THEY DON'T LIKE HIM......THEY CAN'T DISCREDIT HIM AS A GREAT PLAYER...... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: JoeMamaGuilty | | He will be acquitted just like OJ Simpson.
"If it does not fit, ... ah just screw it." | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: kobe lover | | ronnietalk2russ why the **** do you have to be hating on Kobe like that. Are you just jelaous that you will never be as popular as he is so why don't you just stop hating ok.And besides this descusion is not about basketball is about the <inappropriate> of Katelyn
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| Posted by: ronnietalk2russ | |
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Originally posted by kobe lover
ronnietalk2russ why the **** do you have to be hating on Kobe like that. Are you just jelaous that you will never be as popular as he is so why don't you just stop hating ok.And besides this descusion is not about basketball is about the <inappropriate> of Katelyn
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Nobody said the case was about b-ball. Pay attention next time! StinkyNutz said K.B. was an overrated player and I simply said that I disagreed. Period. So get to the nucleus of your anger and the subject change and reply to him. That's usually how it works. And, furthermore, any-n-everbody knows that all of the postings are as much about Kobe as they are about Katelyn. And, yeh, right! I'm "jealous" of Kobe . I really wish I was in his shoes right now <<sarcasm deluxe>>. It amazes me how sooooooooooome people think Kobe is incapable of committing a crime just because he can shoot a basketball and because they're a FAN-atic. <enter Reality Check HERE>. That's one of the main problems with this whole athletes-n-trouble thing, soooooooooome people give too much praise to people because they can play a sport well! THINK BIGGER! Get a mentor.
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| Posted by: stinky_nutz | | I never watched any of the games that Kobe played in.......becuz i have never liked him.....but just becuz i have not watched the games, doesnt mean that i do not hear about his "achievments" or whutever the hell they call them.......but i guess messin up ur career over sum chick was one of his so called "achievments" | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Allgood | | ronnietalk2russ & Stinkynutz.......both of ya'll need some help.......I don't think anybody is saying that kobe is incapable of doing something like this.......any man is "capable" of doing something like this......all we're saying is that in this situation we really doubt he raped this girl.....Do I know for sure what happened in that hotel room.......NO I DON'T. But, neither does anyone else........is kobe capable of doing this.....yeah......he's capable and it is possible but it's not probable.......the one thing that keeps coming to my mind is that after the "alleged" rape this chick was at a party talking and laughing about it and telling people how big kobe's dick was..... that's not something you do if you were raped.....Someone said this forum is about katelyn faber so lay off kobe but it's just as much about kobe...... because he is not completely innocent in this situation........ I am not a kobe "fan"......I think he is definitely a very talented basketball player who I actually can't stand during the basketball season but at this point and time personally I think Kobe is innocent......oh and stinkynutz.......you might not want to admit it but you're jealous of Kobe.......but not just him.......to me it sounds like you're jealous of any professional athlete because they are more famous and more rich than you'll ever be.......you may say that you wouldn't want to be in Kobe's shoes right now......but who would?.......But the simple fact that you're saying that you never liked him.......what did he ever do to you......you're just hatin because he does what you can't do.......and because you probably feel a bit inadequate with your manhood......it's ok.....there are pills you can take for that.......  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | | Moral character has absolutely nothing to do with being a good ball player. You can be highly skilled in ANY profession and still be morally bankrupt. You can be the most average person in the world when it comes to professional skills, and have moral excellence. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | |
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Originally posted by JoeMamaGuilty
He will be acquitted just like OJ Simpson.
"If it does not fit, ... ah just screw it." |
How anyone can be so certain Kobe is guilty of rape at this stage of the case totally boggles my mind.
How anyone can be so certain Katelyn is a slut at this stage of the case totally boggles my mind.
Does anyone ever wait until the case goes to trial, and evidence is presented, before making a judgment about someone's guilt or innocence?
Yes, I know it's your RIGHT to make these judgments, but it doesn't demonstrate any moral excellence on your part.
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| Posted by: Allgood | | First of all Marlene Newell we never said we had moral excellence.....I'm just playin......these words are our opinions.....not fact......just what we think. Now......You are correct no one can state that kobe is absolutely guilty or that Katelyn Faber is absolutely a slut......all we can do is offer up our opinions......and state the facts that have already surfaced...... such as after this "alleged rape" she was at a party, having a good time.....laughing, joking, and giving details to party goers about what happened between her and kobe......not to mention that she was telling certain persons how well endowed kobe was......if she was raped......do you think she would be bragging about what happened and kobe's dick .....that just don't make no damn sense.......you were right about this.....we each have our own opinions(which no of these are factual) But, we live in America.....where freedom of speech is allowed and encouraged......so until we are told that we cannot say what the hell we want to........We will continue to speak our muthafu**in minds......Do any of us know what happened in that hotel room.....nope......do any of us personally know kobe.......nope..... do any of us personally know Katelyn Faber......nope......All we can base our opinions on is what we've already heard......and if a jury were to have to make a decision today........i don't see kobe getting anything.....no jail time.......no probation.....nothing. Because she's already proved to be a little messed up in the head.....trying to kill herself after here b/f broke up with her..... well, i think she's a bit crazy......but that's my opinion.......for all any of us know......she could be telling the truth but with her actions after this "alleged rape" happened......she's not helping her own case........THAT IS A FACT!!!!!! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | |
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Originally posted by Allgood
First of all Marlene Newell we never said we had moral excellence.....I'm just playin......these words are our opinions.....not fact......just what we think. Now......You are correct no one can state that kobe is absolutely guilty or that Katelyn Faber is absolutely a slut......all we can do is offer up our opinions......and state the facts that have already surfaced...... such as after this "alleged rape" she was at a party, having a good time.....laughing, joking, and giving details to party goers about what happened between her and kobe......not to mention that she was telling certain persons how well endowed kobe was......if she was raped......do you think she would be bragging about what happened and kobe's dick .....that just don't make no damn sense.......you were right about this.....we each have our own opinions(which no of these are factual) But, we live in America.....where freedom of speech is allowed and encouraged......so until we are told that we cannot say what the hell we want to........We will continue to speak our muthafu**in minds......Do any of us know what happened in that hotel room.....nope......do any of us personally know kobe.......nope..... do any of us personally know Katelyn Faber......nope......All we can base our opinions on is what we've already heard......and if a jury were to have to make a decision today........i don't see kobe getting anything.....no jail time.......no probation.....nothing. Because she's already proved to be a little messed up in the head.....trying to kill herself after here b/f broke up with her..... well, i think she's a bit crazy......but that's my opinion.......for all any of us know......she could be telling the truth but with her actions after this "alleged rape" happened......she's not helping her own case........THAT IS A FACT!!!!!! |
The question I asked was: "Does anyone ever wait until the case goes to trial, and evidence is presented, before making a judgment about someone's guilt or innocence?"
Based on your answer, I conclude that you don't wait until the evidence is presented at the trial to make up your mind about someone's guilt or innocence. Now, why was that so hard to say?
Saying something is your "opinion" doesn't change the fact that you have made a judgment. That is what an opinion is: a view, judgment , or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter.
When the jury votes guilty or not guilty, they simply will be expressing an opinion. However, it will be an opinion formed AFTER hearing the evidence presented in a court of law (or at least that is the way it is supposed to happen).
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| Posted by: Allgood | |
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Originally posted by Marlene Newell
The question I asked was: "Does anyone ever wait until the case goes to trial, and evidence is presented, before making a judgment about someone's guilt or innocence?"
Based on your answer, I conclude that you don't wait until the evidence is presented at the trial to make up your mind about someone's guilt or innocence. Now, why was that so hard to say?
Saying something is your "opinion" doesn't change the fact that you have made a judgment. That is what an opinion is: a view, judgment , or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter.
When the jury votes guilty or not guilty, they simply will be expressing an opinion. However, it will be an opinion formed AFTER hearing the evidence presented in a court of law (or at least that is the way it is supposed to happen). |
I'm not diagreeing with you......that is the way that things are supposed to go and have I made up my mind that kobe is innocent.....no......all i was saying before is that what has been revealed so far is pointing to kobe being innocent......as of this very moment......it's still up in the air with me.....because like i said before......none of us know what actually happened in that hotel room......all i hope is that kobe gets a fair trial which i'm not thinking he will. You're right......once a jury decides 'guilty' or 'not guilty' their opinions will be based on the facts that have come forth through the trial......but with what has been revealed so far about the occurences between these two people......things aren't looking good for Katelyn Faber......I can appreciate you trying to be politically correct and not make any judgements and let a trial bring out the truth......but in all honesty..........i don't think kobe has a chance at a fair trial.......i really don't.......but i guess we'll see in the long run.
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | |
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I'm not diagreeing with you......that is the way that things are supposed to go and have I made up my mind that kobe is innocent.....no......all i was saying before is that what has been revealed so far is pointing to kobe being innocent......as of this very moment......it's still up in the air with me.....because like i said before......none of us know what actually happened in that hotel room......all i hope is that kobe gets a fair trial which i'm not thinking he will. You're right......once a jury decides 'guilty' or 'not guilty' their opinions will be based on the facts that have come forth through the trial......but with what has been revealed so far about the occurences between these two people......things aren't looking good for Katelyn Faber......I can appreciate you trying to be politically correct and not make any judgements and let a trial bring out the truth......but in all honesty..........i don't think kobe has a chance at a fair trial.......i really don't.......but i guess we'll see in the long run. |
Allgood, I'm not faulting anyone for believing Kobe is innocent. We should be presuming he is innocent, that is his constitutional right. That is certainly the position I am taking -- prove to me, with evidence presented in court, that he is guilty, otherwise he remains innocent in my eyes.
But, neither should we believe everything we hear about HER. Neither should we convict HER of being a slut or of lying or of anything at all until the evidence is presented in court. What you are reading about her may be a pack of lies or just half-truths. Just because a source is a family member or a friend doesn't make it truthful.
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| Posted by: Jeem | |
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Allgood, I'm not faulting anyone for believing Kobe is innocent. We should be presuming he is innocent, that is his constitutional right. That is certainly the position I am taking -- prove to me, with evidence presented in court, that he is guilty, otherwise he remains innocent in my eyes.
But, neither should we believe everything we hear about HER. Neither should we convict HER of being a slut or of lying or of anything at all until the evidence is presented in court. What you are reading about her may be a pack of lies or just half-truths. Just because a source is a family member or a friend doesn't make it truthful. |
Unlike the jury, our conviction, opinion, judgment of her or Kobe will have no impact on their lives. I see no problem in seeing Kobe as a rapist or the girl as a slut, as it is our right to do so.
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | |
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Unlike the jury, our conviction, opinion, judgment of her or Kobe will have no impact on their lives. I see no problem in seeing Kobe as a rapist or the girl as a slut, as it is our right to do so. |
You have a legal right to do so, but to think that doing so is harmless to our justice system is naive.
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| Posted by: MetaLuna | | It's your right to make judgements about people you don't even know? How hurtful. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: momus | | No one has said anything about Kate violating Compant Policy by going to his room after hours. Every hotel or motel i've ever worked had a very strict policy about going to guest's rooms after hours or any time unless you worked room service. This was to prevent any one from engaging in the "oldest profession" in the world, and to prevent possible lawsuits to the firm.
It seems she was working this job for tuition money so violating this rule would mean termination.
Now, what was this young thing thinking about when she consented to go to Kobe's room at that late hour? Or maybe, she was thinking something else!!!
A lot of posts say most men don't know the meaning of the word "No". Does "Little Kate" know the meaning? Methinks not!!! (1) She knew the Company Policy, (2) she knew Kobe was married, (3) she knew she stood to get fired if she was caught, so she decides, "What the Hell, I'm going for it".
Getting back to the word "No", if "Little Kate" had just answered when Kobe invited her to his room, "No I'm sorry it's against Company Policy, but I hope you have a nice stay with us, and good luck with your surgery tomorrow", everything would have been normal.
I'm convinced this girl is either very dingy, or she had other motives for going to a married man's room late at night because she felt "Chemistry". This either shows the chick is not a responsible, competent employee or like I said above she had other motives.
As for what happened in that room, only the two of them know and the court and jury will have to deal with that. I just question what made her go to that room. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | | You know, most messes the people get into have multiple opportunities for someone to have caused a different outcome. If he hadn't asked her to come up to his room; if she had said no thanks . . . what a tragedy that people's lives can be so devastated by a momentary roll in the hay.
To quote Suzanne Sugarbaker, "what are we talking about here, 30 seconds at the most." Such a price to pay for such a short moment of pleasure. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Allgood | |
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Originally posted by Marlene Newell
You have a legal right to do so, but to think that doing so is harmless to our justice system is naive. |
Ok.....now that you say it that way......I understand where you are coming from.......and you're right.......what we believe really doesn't have an impact on their lives........Do I believe Kobe is innocent.....yes.......until someone proves otherwise.......Do I believe Katelyn Faber is a slut...... , I don't know her...... Could what is being said about her be lies and half-truths.......yes......very possibly.......but they could also be true......the one thing that keeps coming into my mind is that there are witnesses who not only saw "the vicitm" at a party not long after the "alleged rape" but also eye witnesses who heard her talking about the sexual encounter and Kobe's anatomy..... That could be a lie too, but it's not like we've heard that from some supermarket tabloid......we've heard that there are witnesses to this from reputable news sources.......But in the end we will all have to wait and see what happens !
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | |
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Originally posted by Allgood
Ok.....now that you say it that way......I understand where you are coming from.......and you're right.......what we believe really doesn't have an impact on their lives........Do I believe Kobe is innocent.....yes.......until someone proves otherwise.......Do I believe Katelyn Faber is a slut...... , I don't know her...... Could what is being said about her be lies and half-truths.......yes......very possibly.......but they could also be true......the one thing that keeps coming into my mind is that there are witnesses who not only saw "the vicitm" at a party not long after the "alleged rape" but also eye witnesses who heard her talking about the sexual encounter and Kobe's anatomy..... That could be a lie too, but it's not like we've heard that from some supermarket tabloid......we've heard that there are witnesses to this from reputable news sources.......But in the end we will all have to wait and see what happens ! |
I'm glad the trial will be televised. I think ALL trials should be. That way we can listen to the testimony ourselves and make our own judgments. What the jury says is legally binding, but I like to be able to weigh and consider the evidence for myself.
If a trial is not going to be televised, then I prefer a total media black-out. I don't like getting snippets of testimony, usually taken out of context, and then wham, the jury makes a decision contrary to what we expected. That is also very damaging to our judicial system. It's either full sunlight at high noon, or total blackout at midnight. That's the only way to keep the press from controlling the story.
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| Posted by: Allgood | |
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Originally posted by Marlene Newell
I'm glad the trial will be televised. I think ALL trials should be. That way we can listen to the testimony ourselves and make our own judgments. What the jury says is legally binding, but I like to be able to weigh and consider the evidence for myself.
If a trial is not going to be televised, then I prefer a total media black-out. I don't like getting snippets of testimony, usually taken out of context, and then wham, the jury makes a decision contrary to what we expected. That is also very damaging to our judicial system. It's either full sunlight at high noon, or total blackout at midnight. That's the only way to keep the press from controlling the story. |
, I agree 100% with what you just said....either do full coverage or none at all.......that's the way it should be.....and I like it to be full coverage too.....so that i can hear everything and make my own decisions once all the facts have been exposed.....I think we're on the same page on that one..... 
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| Posted by: Youngman | | Pink said it best " I'm a hazard to myself, don't let them take me" | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Allgood | |
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Pink said it best " I'm a hazard to myself, don't let them take me" |
Yeah I think she might be a hazard to herself afterall, she did attempt to commit suicide after her boyfriend broke up with her. So who's to say that she isn't a bit crazy and that she wouldn't try to say something like this just so that some star would throw some money at her to keep her quiet. It's quite posssible...... we'll all know for sure in a while.
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| Posted by: nicegerbil | | Who cares?
Will it make you any money or earn you any respect whether he is declared guilty or innocent? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nicegerbil | | To Allgood,
Our opinion does not matter. It is up to the attorneys to allow or disallow evidence and to convince the jury.
If I follow the trial and come to a verdict of innocence it will mean nothing unless I am one of the jurors. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Allgood | |
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Originally posted by nicegerbil
To Allgood,
Our opinion does not matter. It is up to the attorneys to allow or disallow evidence and to convince the jury.
If I follow the trial and come to a verdict of innocence it will mean nothing unless I am one of the jurors. |
You have a point......our opinions don't directly effect the outcome of this case......that's true. And if you come up with innocent or guilty it won't matter unless you're a juror.....but, it doesn't hurt anything us having our own opinions. We live in a free country where we can say and do pretty much whatever we want to.....so, people like you who keep saying that no one should have an opinion formed yet is wrong......that's what's great about this country......you can tell me i'm wrong for having my own opinion on this case and I could say "oh well, if you don't like freedom of speech and thought and expression, move to another country" and there would be nothing wrong with me saying that.....but I understand where you're coming from......but don't say it like 90% of the country wasn't debating everyday whether O.J. was guilty or not because they were.......almost the whole damn nation was speculating......and you were probably right there doing it too.....I know I was....."not guilty".
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| Posted by: grets | | allgood- i can't follow your thinking here. you agree with marlene on full or no coverage so you can " make my own decisions once all the facts have been exposed", then you decide she's crazy and attempted suicide. have these "facts" been exposed in a trial already? your mind is made up already, the facts won't matter. in reality, alot of people on this thread have already made up their minds, damn the facts. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: smokymtcsw | | Those who are trying to make this case about race are absurd. When the case comes out in public including with the details of the sexual assault (the sex was consensual the sodomy was not) everyone will see what happened. This girl also did not "WAIT" as post after idiotic post has claimed. Faber had a rape kit done the next morning. The guilt and shame of telling what happened had to be horrible, but she went forward. She is also not going to be paid off by Kobe.
Bryant is a slimeball and for all the posters who say Vanessa should forgive him because of the ring. I think it was Lord Acton who asked a woman at a society ball, "Would you sleep with me for 1 million dollars" and when she said yes he said, "Here is 20 dollars lets go to my place" to which she replied, "What do you take me for a prostitute?" He then responded, "Madam, we have already established what you are, all that remains is quibbling over your price." If you would allow a husband to cheat for money you are a whore. If you think buying someone a ring expiates some guilt (also as an aside the ring like the one Ben bought for JLo is UGLY, enough with the weird diamonds) you deserve to have a vapid pathetic existence in which you are treated like an escort.
The fact that this case is racially polarized like O.J. pisses me off. Kobe will be found guilty because there is better evidence in this case, unlike Nicole who could not point her dead fingers at the Juice. Kobe did have women throwing themselves at him constantly, not because he is black but because he is a rich athlete, they all get offers. Kobe, being a godless slut, had sex with her like he did with tons of other women. He just could not take no for an answer when he wanted to turn her over. Anyone regardless of race should be able to see how wrong his actions were and that the case itself is not about race, it is about whether a groupie who throws herself at a man is allowed to consent to some sex acts and not others.
And to all the fat and ugly women posting nasty things about Kobe's accuser, everyone knows you are jealous of her, especially because she is the type of girl Kobe chose to have sex with, not you and your nappy self.
The fact that the bellboy will not comment tells me that he is not selling his story and gives him credibility. He is going to be a witness, and he is cooperating with police. He is not after money, he is trying to do the right thing and that is laudable.
Finally...laughing about something that was traumatic and joking about it is not an unnatural reaction at all. In fact if you asked a psychologist, it is often an extremely natural reaction. The retarded posts that say Kobe is innocent because she made jokes about his anatomy are as ridiculous as saying Bill was not in a car wreck because I heard him making a joke about how he would never have hit that tree if he was not playing with his CD player. She was trying to minimize the emotional potency of the experience and heal herself by acting as if it was not as big a deal as it really was. Would you take a story about her crying for two weeks as evidence she was raped? Idiots... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Toronto | | What I think we have here is a public that has nothing better to do than read and spread gossip. On LKLive last night, coments were made that all NBA players have sex shile on the road. I doubt if that is true, but consider this. All celebs are followed by groupies. The temptation is great. The groupie is normally looking for bragging rights to say they had sex with a big name. In rare cases they are looking for a big payout.
This phenomena is not restricted to celebs. After years of going to conventions and being on the road, the number of sexual encounters by senior management is probably greater than that of pro athletes. The theory that men are more sexually active than women is not longer true. It takes two to tango.
Why don't we wait for the verdict before we the public and press ruin the lifes of these two anymore has already been done. For those of you taht believe Kobe hs a responsibility as a role model for our kids, look no farther than yourself for a role model. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nicegerbil | |
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You have a point......our opinions don't directly effect the outcome of this case......that's true. And if you come up with innocent or guilty it won't matter unless you're a juror.....but, it doesn't hurt anything us having our own opinions. We live in a free country where we can say and do pretty much whatever we want to.....so, people like you who keep saying that no one should have an opinion formed yet is wrong......that's what's great about this country......you can tell me i'm wrong for having my own opinion on this case and I could say "oh well, if you don't like freedom of speech and thought and expression, move to another country" and there would be nothing wrong with me saying that.....but I understand where you're coming from......but don't say it like 90% of the country wasn't debating everyday whether O.J. was guilty or not because they were.......almost the whole damn nation was speculating......and you were probably right there doing it too.....I know I was....."not guilty". |
Thank you for the cool head and for not being defensive.
I don't want to imply that we should not have opinions. I just want to state that at this level we are either supporting/not supporting an entertainer that we do not know personally in any way other than by his press agents and media reviews. It is also out of our hands. The lawyers will tapdance around the evidence and at this level it becomes a rather gray zone. Good for a mediocre media to avoid more important issues.
The other point that must be made is that a woman has the right to change her mind even during penetration and the man must respect her wishes. Take NO for an answer. Anything less is an invasion of her person and psyche. It also demeans both parties.
As a businness person it is the same as taking a client's hand and forcing a signature on a contract that the client is not sure they want or have to consider for just a bit.
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| Posted by: Allgood | |
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Originally posted by smokymtcsw
Those who are trying to make this case about race are absurd. When the case comes out in public including with the details of the sexual assault (the sex was consensual the sodomy was not) everyone will see what happened. This girl also did not "WAIT" as post after idiotic post has claimed. Faber had a rape kit done the next morning. The guilt and shame of telling what happened had to be horrible, but she went forward. She is also not going to be paid off by Kobe.
Bryant is a slimeball and for all the posters who say Vanessa should forgive him because of the ring. I think it was Lord Acton who asked a woman at a society ball, "Would you sleep with me for 1 million dollars" and when she said yes he said, "Here is 20 dollars lets go to my place" to which she replied, "What do you take me for a prostitute?" He then responded, "Madam, we have already established what you are, all that remains is quibbling over your price." If you would allow a husband to cheat for money you are a whore. If you think buying someone a ring expiates some guilt (also as an aside the ring like the one Ben bought for JLo is UGLY, enough with the weird diamonds) you deserve to have a vapid pathetic existence in which you are treated like an escort.
The fact that this case is racially polarized like O.J. pisses me off. Kobe will be found guilty because there is better evidence in this case, unlike Nicole who could not point her dead fingers at the Juice. Kobe did have women throwing themselves at him constantly, not because he is black but because he is a rich athlete, they all get offers. Kobe, being a godless slut, had sex with her like he did with tons of other women. He just could not take no for an answer when he wanted to turn her over. Anyone regardless of race should be able to see how wrong his actions were and that the case itself is not about race, it is about whether a groupie who throws herself at a man is allowed to consent to some sex acts and not others.
And to all the fat and ugly women posting nasty things about Kobe's accuser, everyone knows you are jealous of her, especially because she is the type of girl Kobe chose to have sex with, not you and your nappy self.
The fact that the bellboy will not comment tells me that he is not selling his story and gives him credibility. He is going to be a witness, and he is cooperating with police. He is not after money, he is trying to do the right thing and that is laudable.
Finally...laughing about something that was traumatic and joking about it is not an unnatural reaction at all. In fact if you asked a psychologist, it is often an extremely natural reaction. The retarded posts that say Kobe is innocent because she made jokes about his anatomy are as ridiculous as saying Bill was not in a car wreck because I heard him making a joke about how he would never have hit that tree if he was not playing with his CD player. She was trying to minimize the emotional potency of the experience and heal herself by acting as if it was not as big a deal as it really was. Would you take a story about her crying for two weeks as evidence she was raped? Idiots... |
With all that you said in this none of it really made sense. In all honesty you sound like a true hater. Someone who doesn't like kobe because......kobe is what you will never be. And for you to say that race will have nothing to do with it.....that's just insane. How will race not play a part in this.....I don't know. But aside from that b/c we will definitely have different opinions on that, Was this "bellboy" in the room with them.....did he videotape this incident? The answer is a resounding.........HELL NO!!!!! And yeah there are times when someone reacts jokingly to try to minimize the seriousness of a traumatic matter.....but making jokes about it at a party and telling people about the sex and about Kobe's anatomy......come on now and tell me that she's not a little crazy. Should Vanessa forgive him b/c of the ring.....no, but if she really loves him and believes that this only happened once and won't ever happen again.....why shouldn't she give her husband a second chance? Was Kobe wrong for having sex with this girl.......absolutely but for her to say rape when the sex was consenual.....that's just wrong..... If she did have a rape kit done on her.....which is quite possible......we'll all find out whether she was raped or the sex was consensual..... and for you (smokemtcsw) to say that he's had sex before (cheating on his wife) countless times makes you the idiot......do you know for a fact that this wasn't the first time that this happened?........No you don't so just like you saying that none of us who believe kobe to innocent no what really happened.....you don't either so why don't we just agree to disagree and when the truth comes out through the case then we'll talk......By the way nicegerbil.....thank you for your kind words......if people get on here and speak rationally instead of bad mouthing people like smokemtcsw does......this would never get ugly.......
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| Posted by: cutiepie509 | | well all of yall are kind of right i heard that kobe had ejaculated on her face that was what all the ruckus was about in the room and the body guards tried to get her off of him and thats how she got the bruises on her body and that why people in the rooms were concerned...... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nicegerbil | |
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Originally posted by cutiepie509
well all of yall are kind of right i heard that kobe had ejaculated on her face that was what all the ruckus was about in the room and the body guards tried to get her off of him and thats how she got the bruises on her body and that why people in the rooms were concerned...... |
Where did you get the information?
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| Posted by: Allgood | |
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Originally posted by cutiepie509
well all of yall are kind of right i heard that kobe had ejaculated on her face that was what all the ruckus was about in the room and the body guards tried to get her off of him and thats how she got the bruises on her body and that why people in the rooms were concerned...... |
Where did you hear that? I never heard that......and you are right.....white people do bruise easily.
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| Posted by: nicegerbil | | It is not that white people bruise easily, it just shows more easily. A hematoma is a hematoma. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: koupie | | Musafa, that is the stupidest **** I have ever heard. What can a 4 million dollar ring do. Nothing!!!!!!! You can't buy love or respect or forgiveness. If he was a REAL MAN he would have never cheated in the first place. You don't know Kobe Bryant, all you know is what the media allows you to know. Kobe already has a reputation with the league. He never goes out with the other players none of the other players want him as a friend because he cockie and a jack ass. Another thing what kind of WOMAN would except a 4 million dollar ring. Not a SISTA!!!!!! If I were his wife I would have shoved that ring right up his ASS!!!!!!! Please don't show your ignorance. Like a 4 million dollar ring makes it ok for your man to severe his family ties for you then cheats on you and is accused of rape. Kobe's a DUMB ASS. That's why he's in this situation. I am glad the victim isn't your sister, because it's obvious you wouldn't have her back. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nicegerbil | |
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Originally posted by cutiepie509
well all of yall are kind of right i heard that kobe had ejaculated on her face that was what all the ruckus was about in the room and the body guards tried to get her off of him and thats how she got the bruises on her body and that why people in the rooms were concerned...... |
No source yet!
It seems like "my friend knows someone who is a friend of somebody...and his grandmother told him that...."
Let's stick to facts!
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| Posted by: nicegerbil | |
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Originally posted by cutiepie509
well all of yall are kind of right i heard that kobe had ejaculated on her face that was what all the ruckus was about in the room and the body guards tried to get her off of him and thats how she got the bruises on her body and that why people in the rooms were concerned...... |
No source yet!
It sounds like "my friend knows someone who is a friend of somebody...and his grandmother told him that...."
Let's stick to facts!
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| Posted by: acepepe | | so what do some of you JACKASS' really know about kobe other than the fact that he smiles when he dribbles a basket ball?
o.j. smiled when he ran through airports and we heard the same thing after o.j. murdered his wife and goldman "o.j. woulden't do
it' yeah right. oh and of course if you thought simpson was or kobe is guilty your a racist once again yeah right | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: r6pimp | | Guilty as sin. Kobe ran into a woman that just was not attracted to black men. No matter how rich and famous the black man, 99% of "attractive" white women are not attracted to black men.That is a fact. Kobe is a rapist and should be quarantined to his posh California mansion. We know nothing about the man "Kobe Bryant", he could be a serial rapist. If he is allowed to play games in other cities and stay in other hotels there could be another victim, of who's color will assuredly be white. Hey Kobe,no woman deserves to be raped but if you are going to rape women rape your own kind, black women. You are a prick and you are guilty. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: illuminate1 | | r6pimp you are a racist idot. I see beautiful white women throwing themselves on black men all the time. Matter of fact, most of them want to know if the theory is true.. "your own kind" what kind of crap is that? We are all people, regardless of color. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: SnoopyII | |
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Guilty as sin. Kobe ran into a woman that just was not attracted to black men. No matter how rich and famous the black man, 99% of "attractive" white women are not attracted to black men.That is a fact. Kobe is a rapist and should be quarantined to his posh California mansion. We know nothing about the man "Kobe Bryant", he could be a serial rapist. If he is allowed to play games in other cities and stay in other hotels there could be another victim, of who's color will assuredly be white. Hey Kobe,no woman deserves to be raped but if you are going to rape women rape your own kind, black women. You are a prick and you are guilty. |
r6pimple> you are the exact reason why cousins shouldn't have sex.
I can see a hillbilly in their overalls, typing on their emachine, on 56k dialup with the spellchecker doing overtime, 5 hound dogs on their porch, 5 broken cars in the yard, and drool coming out of the side of their toothless mouth.
To even attempt to make such a stupid statement as "if you are going to rape women rape your own kind, black women." is ludicrous, profane, and racist.
/end rant
Now a joke to lighten the mood.
How do you circumcise a hillbilly? Kick his sister in the jaw.
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| Posted by: ann 227 | | TO EVERYONE OUT THERE PLEASE SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS. JUST ANOTHER TRAMP GOING AFTER AN AFRO-AMERICAN CELEBRITY'S MONEY. I MEAN COME ON IF KOBE NEEDED SEX THAT BAD HE COULD HAVE SENT ONE OF HIS BODY GUARDS TO SOLICIT HIM A HOOKER. HE SURE IN THE HELL DIDN'T HAVE TO RAPE SOME TRASHY TRAILER PARK SLUT, WHO OBVIOUSLY IS ONE CAN SHORT OF A SIX PACK. GET REAL ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!
I CAN'T WAIT FOR KOBE'S ATTORNEY TO WEAR HER DOWN ON THAT WITNESS STAND, AND REVEAL HER AS THE TRUE LIAR SHE IS. I'M BEHIND YOU KOBE AND SO IS THE MAN UPSTAIRS WHO SITS HIGH AND LOOKS LOW.. ONE LOVE  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nicegerbil | |
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Originally posted by ann 227
TO EVERYONE OUT THERE PLEASE SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS. JUST ANOTHER TRAMP GOING AFTER AN AFRO-AMERICAN CELEBRITY'S MONEY. I MEAN COME ON IF KOBE NEEDED SEX THAT BAD HE COULD HAVE SENT ONE OF HIS BODY GUARDS TO SOLICIT HIM A HOOKER. HE SURE IN THE HELL DIDN'T HAVE TO RAPE SOME TRASHY TRAILER PARK SLUT, WHO OBVIOUSLY IS ONE CAN SHORT OF A SIX PACK. GET REAL ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!
I CAN'T WAIT FOR KOBE'S ATTORNEY TO WEAR HER DOWN ON THAT WITNESS STAND, AND REVEAL HER AS THE TRUE LIAR SHE IS. I'M BEHIND YOU KOBE AND SO IS THE MAN UPSTAIRS WHO SITS HIGH AND LOOKS LOW.. ONE LOVE |
Who is the man upstairs? It certainly IS NOT"GOD" or else you would not be so antagonistic about this woman. Do you know her or Kobe personally? Maybe you just side with the personality or his public persona.
Stick to the facts and do not interject your pseudo-Christian garbage which only thinly veils racial hatred and woman hating (self loathing?) vile. What would you say if this had been your sister? What would Jesus do?
If nothing else, are you without guilt as to throw the first stone?
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | |
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Originally posted by SnoopyII
r6pimple> you are the exact reason why cousins shouldn't have sex.
I can see a hillbilly in their overalls, typing on their emachine, on 56k dialup with the spellchecker doing overtime, 5 hound dogs on their porch, 5 broken cars in the yard, and drool coming out of the side of their toothless mouth.
To even attempt to make such a stupid statement as "if you are going to rape women rape your own kind, black women." is ludicrous, profane, and racist.
/end rant
Now a joke to lighten the mood.
How do you circumcise a hillbilly? Kick his sister in the jaw.
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In your condemnation of r6's racism, you just slurred a whole culture. You did exactly what you accused r6 of doing. And, your joke was the most insulting, degrading of all.
Both of you need to get a grip.
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| Posted by: SnoopyII | | hillbilly is the complete lack of culture and can in no way be related to a complete ethnic group. (I.E. hillbilly is not a race therefore I cannot be racist on that point. I guess the correct term would be culturist. )
As to my joke being the most degrading and insulting (thank you I take that as a compliment)
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| Posted by: Senator | | I haven't seen a thread with this much ignorance in it in a long time. It's pathetic that so many people are driven by assumptions rather than facts & evidence.
Here are some simple common-sense reminders that a lot of you need to pay attention to:
Watching people on TV doesn't mean you know them... For that matter, ANYTHING about it.
Money & fame don't dictate morals.
At the end of the day, everyone is just human. Flawed.
Only Kobe and the girl know the real truth about what happened and even then they might see things differently. People need to quit acting like they were in the room with them because the TRUTH of the matter is that nobody here knows jack sh*t about what happened or either of those people.
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| Posted by: nicegerbil | |
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Originally posted by SnoopyII
hillbilly is the complete lack of culture and can in no way be related to a complete ethnic group. (I.E. hillbilly is not a race therefore I cannot be racist on that point. I guess the correct term would be culturist. )
As to my joke being the most degrading and insulting (thank you I take that as a compliment)
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I believe that your "culturist" view is rather flawed. Why is it that a white may be called names in public without repercussions but use the word "******" and everyone wants to hang the "Honky" or "racist" who uttered it.
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Learn your language and do not flaunt your ignorance.
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | |
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Originally posted by SnoopyII
hillbilly is the complete lack of culture and can in no way be related to a complete ethnic group. (I.E. hillbilly is not a race therefore I cannot be racist on t |
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