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Posted by: Jeem

This would set a bad precedent if Kobe was convicted of rape. It'd mean a woman can cry rape at anytime, and her word is deemed more credible than the man's. If she went to his room to fool around, then whatever she got, she asked for. Kobe should walk.

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Posted by: MetaLuna

It's possible that she went to the room with the intention of "fooling around", but that doesn't mean she deserved whatever she got. It's still possible to be raped even when you've "asked" for it. If he gets too rough and she tells him to stop and he doesn't, or if she changes his mind and says stop but he doesn't, then it's rape. All that has to happen for it to constitute rape is for the man to keep going after the woman has said "stop".

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Posted by: Young&Restless

Jeem you are totally disregarding the power of the jury and the legal system. Everyone accused of a crime must go to trial--celebrity or not. Your idea that "a woman can cry rape at anytime" is so masochist.

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Posted by: DeniseAlexandra

Ummm, it would set a bad precedent of Kobe was wrongly convicted, yes. And it would set a bad precedent if she managed to screw his life more based on a false charge.
Lets just hope the truth comes out, and that if he is guilty, he serves....and if he's not? She serves.

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Posted by: Jeem

I think if you put it in historical perspective where black men are lynched, shot, dismembered for even looking at a white woman, then I think Kobe should walk even if he did get a little carried away. Because convicting him would reinforce the notion that when black men have designs on white women, they will be severely punished.

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Posted by: DeniseAlexandra

I think we need to get over that kind of racial past. Lets not forget, no, but lets NOT encourage it and live like that today. Kobe should be prosecuted IF he is guilty, white or black....

Attitudes like this continue to perpetuate the racial divide.....

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Posted by: Mike James

Black, white, red, polka-dotted.... cheating is cheating and rape is rape. He got caught cheating. He hasn't been found guilty of rape. A woman can cry rape at any time. That doesn't mean that the man will be found guilty.

Jeem, I agree that whatever she got she asked for. HOWEVER, this does not mean Kobe will or will not (or should or should not) walk for a crime. There is nothing in the law about adultery. That part is between Kobe, his wife, and GOD. The court will decide if Kobe raped her or not, and we have yet to see the outcome there, so lets not get ahead of ourselves....

Kobe walks when Kobe walks... the rest is yet to come.

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Posted by: helen55

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Originally posted by Mike James
Black, white, red, polka-dotted.... cheating is cheating and rape is rape. He got caught cheating. He hasn't been found guilty of rape. A woman can cry rape at any time. That doesn't mean that the man will be found guilty.

Jeem, I agree that whatever she got she asked for. HOWEVER, this does not mean Kobe will or will not (or should or should not) walk for a crime. There is nothing in the law about adultery. That part is between Kobe, his wife, and GOD. The court will decide if Kobe raped her or not, and we have yet to see the outcome there, so lets not get ahead of ourselves....

Kobe walks when Kobe walks... the rest is yet to come.


I can't agree with "she got what she asked for" -- IF she was raped. First of all we don't know any of the facts, but the little that we know is that the whole thing took 20 minutes...VERY FEW 19 year old girls would jump a guy and then call rape--all in 20 minutes.

And if a woman says NO --- AT ANY TIME-- NO MATTER WHAT SHE CAME IN THE ROOM FOR -- the man has to stop - or it is called rape.

You guys are not with the current times --- thinking anyone deserves to be raped if they ask for it??? OK so rape me, and I will call the cops

I'm sure she had seen other high profile customers at the hotel before, VAIL is full of them, and did she go to their room for 20 minutes of sex and then cry rape???
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Posted by: Famester

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Originally posted by Jeem
I think if you put it in historical perspective where black men are lynched, shot, dismembered for even looking at a white woman, then I think Kobe should walk even if he did get a little carried away. Because convicting him would reinforce the notion that when black men have designs on white women, they will be severely punished.


I totally disagree with bringing up the historical perspective of black men being persecuted for having relations with white women.

Kobe Bryant, as are all other NBA players, is free to date and marry women who are not of the same racial background as they are. Kobe Bryant is black, but his wife is not.

Nobody even thought of lynching or shooting the many black professional athletes who have relationships with white women.

Kobe is not in trouble because he had relations with a white woman. He's in trouble because a woman has accused him of sexual assault.

Kobe would be in just as much trouble if the woman accusing him were black. Just ask Mike Tyson.
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Posted by: Jeem

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Originally posted by Mike James
Jeem, I agree that whatever she got she asked for. HOWEVER, this does not mean Kobe will or will not (or should or should not) walk for a crime. There is nothing in the law about adultery. That part is between Kobe, his wife, and GOD. The court will decide if Kobe raped her or not, and we have yet to see the outcome there, so lets not get ahead of ourselves....

Kobe walks when Kobe walks... the rest is yet to come.


Kobe didn't abduct her off the street. She came willingly to his room. So it ends up being a he said, she said situation. I don't see how you can convict someone based on that. Too much reasonable doubt to convict.
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Posted by: Mike James

You hit the nail on the head...

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Posted by: carin

I knew I shouldn't have gone into this forum. So if I were to go into a hotel room with a guy whatever happens to me is my fault?

If your daughter goes with a guy into a hotel room whatever happesn to her is her fault?

If your wife goes with a guy into a hotel room whatever happens to her is her fault?

If your MOTHER goes with a guy into a hotel room whatever happens to her is her fault?

Wake up. And as for the persecution of people by race, what about by gender? For years and years if a woman was forcibly raped it was considered her fault. She could have been walking home. It was her fault for being out late. It was her fault b/c it couldn't be a man's fault.

I don't know whether Kobe is guilty or not. But neither do you. You weren't in the hotel room. You don't know him. You don't know her. And I think it's sick that most of you are automatically taking his side. I thought in 2003 we were beyond that.

Lock up your wives, lock up your daughters. B/c obviously they can be raped and no one will believe they didn't ask for it.

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Posted by: Famester

quote:
Originally posted by carin
I knew I shouldn't have gone into this forum. So if I were to go into a hotel room with a guy whatever happens to me is my fault?

If your daughter goes with a guy into a hotel room whatever happesn to her is her fault?

If your wife goes with a guy into a hotel room whatever happens to her is her fault?

If your MOTHER goes with a guy into a hotel room whatever happens to her is her fault?

Wake up. And as for the persecution of people by race, what about by gender? For years and years if a woman was forcibly raped it was considered her fault. She could have been walking home. It was her fault for being out late. It was her fault b/c it couldn't be a man's fault.

I don't know whether Kobe is guilty or not. But neither do you. You weren't in the hotel room. You don't know him. You don't know her. And I think it's sick that most of you are automatically taking his side. I thought in 2003 we were beyond that.

Lock up your wives, lock up your daughters. B/c obviously they can be raped and no one will believe they didn't ask for it.


I am certainly NOT a fan of Kobe Bryant. But I have to say that your logic is flawed. Nobody is saying that whatever happens to a woman who goes to a hotel room with a man is her fault.

What people are saying is that this woman accepted an invitation from an NBA superstar to come to his hotel room after her work shift was over. Once there, the young woman admittedly engages in *consentual* sexual activity. At some point in that activity, the man apparently went beyond the type of sexual activity that the woman wanted.

A woman who goes to a man's hotel room to deliver room service food, or bring extra towels or whatever is not the same as a woman who waits until her shift is over and goes to a man's hotel room and voluntarily fools around sexually with him.

Having said that, Kobe Bryant is still a fool and the girl is a silly gold digger.
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Posted by: carin

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If she went to his room to fool around, then whatever she got, she asked for.


This was the statement that I objected to. I don't think that a woman can ever "Ask for it." Even if she fooled around with him voluntarily, that doesn't make whatever happened later ok. She still has the right to say no at any time, and if doesn't stop that makes it rape. Nothing more nothing less.
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Posted by: Jeem

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Originally posted by carin


This was the statement that I objected to. I don't think that a woman can ever "Ask for it." Even if she fooled around with him voluntarily, that doesn't make whatever happened later ok. She still has the right to say no at any time, and if doesn't stop that makes it rape. Nothing more nothing less.


Maybe Kobe did rape her. But she put herself in a situation where it's almost impossible to prove. Not saying it's right, but she knowingly put herself in that situation, so what else is there to say, other than she deserved it?
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Posted by: gosing

Good girls don't go into bad boys hotel rooms.

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Posted by: Jeem

People seem to have this romantic and heroic image of Kobe as a good boy.

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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by Jeem
People seem to have this romantic and heroic image of Kobe as a good boy.


For the most part he is a "good" person. I'm NOT saying adultry constitutes a "good" person but many "good" people sleep with women other than their wives. Just ask Mr. Clinton? Arnold for Governor? Martin Luther King, Jr. anyone? That's the virtual nature of men-given the opportunity they'll do it. Bottom line. These very same men would/are still opined as being "good" people by many.

Now, Jeemy, outside of his "encounter" with crazy Kate what has Kobe done that YOU deem as being bad? Why in the world do you think people have such a difficult time believing this girl? It's because of his distinct (as far as athletes are concerned) and respectable image
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Posted by: MetaLuna

Not all men will cheat given the opportunity... that aside, though, men have and will cheat on women they love more than anything. The fact is that sex, being an almost purely physical urge, is not the same as falling in love... hell, some guys I know treat it as though it were as basic as pooping. When you gotta go, you gotta go. You can love your wife to no end, but long lonely nights on the road without her, and that girl downstairs starts to look pretty good.

I feel bad for Kobe just because his infidelity is all over the news, when most of us get privacy about it. I feel even worse for his wife - I might be able to forgive a cheating husband if I didn't have to face his infidelity on a daily basis.

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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by gosing
Good girls don't go into bad boys hotel rooms.


I disagree. Strange men? Maybe not. But a superstar like Kobe? A good girl would, most likely, enter. I stress the word ENTER.
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Posted by: gosing

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


I disagree. Strange men? Maybe not. But a superstar like Kobe? A good girl would, most likely, enter. I stress the word ENTER.


I have to say, your views of a good girl are seriously flawed.

Nobody with a good heart and morals, not to mention common sense, is going to throw it all out the window to be a sl** for a day because she met a big "Basket ball" star!

Good girls ARE good girls. Period. They don't change because it is convienent for the situation.
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Posted by: elkabong2k

what jeem said earlier struck a chord, they shouldn't be able to convict a man based on a woman's word against his when she comes into his room late at night willingly. I know somebody in jail right now because a woman who we saw go into a room with him at a party, kissing and getting physical, decided it was rape the next morning. Our society, with it's aggressive attemps to be politically correct has gone beyond empowering women in this area. There are millions of women who now know they can use sex as a weapon, and if he loses this trial it will give them more precedent and power to use. Also, as much as earlier posters said let's forget about race and put it behind us, we can't, because "we" are a VERY fragmented society. Check on the yahoo boards and see all the racist trollers who can't wait to spread their hate, check out eagle county's history of racial profiling and the 70or so minorities who filed in that class action suit against the county, race does matter here, because there are plenty of people who are going to think that he did it just because of his color. Kobe is in a lot of trouble and so is any man who doesn't get a written consent form before and after sex.

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Posted by: Jeem

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ

Now, Jeemy, outside of his "encounter" with crazy Kate what has Kobe done that YOU deem as being bad? Why in the world do you think people have such a difficult time believing this girl? It's because of his distinct (as far as athletes are concerned) and respectable image


A bad person is not someone who needs to be 100% bad. You can be 99% good and bad 1% of the time and still be bad. That's like saying if you don't count a rapist's rapes, he'd be a fine citizen.
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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by Jeem


A bad person is not someone who needs to be 100% bad. You can be 99% good and bad 1% of the time and still be bad. That's like saying if you don't count a rapist's rapes, he'd be a fine citizen.


Notice how you totally AVOIDED answering my question . now, let's try it again:"Outside of Kobe's "encounter" with Katelyn what has he done that you think is so bad?" Before this situation happened Kobe had an image of being a hard working person NOT a bad person, particularly by the standards of many athletes. And that's the main reason why people have trouble believing that he'd commit an act of rape. Answer the question.
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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by gosing


I have to say, your views of a good girl are seriously flawed.

Nobody with a good heart and morals, not to mention common sense, is going to throw it all out the window to be a sl** for a day because she met a big "Basket ball" star!

Good girls ARE good girls. Period. They don't change because it is convienent for the situation.


Yeh, right ! And what planet are you from? Given the opportunity/personal invite to stop by Kobe Bryant's hotel room...a woman turn it down? The only woman you're descibing is a nun. Your idea of a good girl is a mirage. Get with the times.
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Posted by: kobe lover

I don't think that Kobe should get locked up because I don't think he raped her he already admited that he had sex with her but he did not rape her and to that Katelyn ***** if you didn't wanna sleep with him then why the **** did you go into his room you knew you wanted some so dont' star complainig now you trashy slut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: MetaLuna

Man, some of you people sure see the world in black and white... even 40s sitcoms had shades of gray.

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Posted by: gosing

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


Yeh, right ! And what planet are you from? Given the opportunity/personal invite to stop by Kobe Bryant's hotel room...a woman turn it down? The only woman you're descibing is a nun. Your idea of a good girl is a mirage. Get with the times.


My idea of a good girl is...."A GOOD GIRL!" Good. Not good sometimes. Every woman on earth is not a slu*. I have sisters and friends who have remained decent people their whole lives. Clearly the women you encounter are freaks.

The women I know are, mostly really good people. Not nuns. Regular girls who are in love with regular guys. And when they are not in love they date. They don't screw anybody who asks them too, famous or not.

Yes to answer an anticipated question. Many of my friends have met celebrities and a handshake was sufficient!

There is only one type of woman who would go into a man's hotel room. And only one reason too. She was not a good girl gone baaaad.

There are plenty of places on this earth where people actually have lives and sleeping with someone who can put a ball into basket faster than anyone else is not special. Really!

Get with the times???? That's what my Father used to say!
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Posted by: MetaLuna

So, um, gosing, why is wanting a one-nighter bad? I mean, assuming that you're sleeping with someone who wants the same thing. Why does that make a person bad?

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Posted by: Larke2000

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


Yeh, right ! And what planet are you from? Given the opportunity/personal invite to stop by Kobe Bryant's hotel room...a woman turn it down? The only woman you're descibing is a nun. Your idea of a good girl is a mirage. Get with the times.
what? did you watch one 'girls gone wild' and come to this conclusion? come on Ronnie! i thought you were more socially aware. there are plenty of 'good girls' around. and they're not hard to find either.
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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by gosing


My idea of a good girl is...."A GOOD GIRL!" Good. Not good sometimes. Every woman on earth is not a slu*. I have sisters and friends who have remained decent people their whole lives. Clearly the women you encounter are freaks.

The women I know are, mostly really good people. Not nuns. Regular girls who are in love with regular guys. And when they are not in love they date. They don't screw anybody who asks them too, famous or not.

Yes to answer an anticipated question. Many of my friends have met celebrities and a handshake was sufficient!

There is only one type of woman who would go into a man's hotel room. And only one reason too. She was not a good girl gone baaaad.

There are plenty of places on this earth where people actually have lives and sleeping with someone who can put a ball into basket faster than anyone else is not special. Really!

Get with the times???? That's what my Father used to say!


La, la, la...and then you exited church. First of all I, like everyone, knows what a good girl should be. Then there's reality. Everything you're saying in your posting sounds ideal and wonderful (despite the exaggeration) but sell that stuff to all of these loose chicks out there. They've heard all from Oprah and ignored her too. Your reply is funny to me because it sounds like a sound bite of one of Katelyn's friends. They each say, "...oh, she's such a good person..." And look at her background; it definitely isn't spotless (major problems). If you surround yourself with women as you describe more power to you. You've been brought up well. But <insert Reality Check here> if you think your so-called "good" friends aren't screwing guys and NOT telling then you really are living in a toy store. "Good" girls are as sneaky as guys and I'm sure your friends have a few tales they haven't told you about in order to preserve their "good" persona. Until they do tell you, keep on dreamin' gosy. Oprah, weekdays, 3pm.
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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by Larke2000
what? did you watch one 'girls gone wild' and come to this conclusion? come on Ronnie! i thought you were more socially aware. there are plenty of 'good girls' around. and they're not hard to find either.


Long time no hear, Larkey. Nice to hear from you. There are some good women (like my mom, girlfriend and a sporadic peer) out there. That's not the point. The point: to pretend like the average "good" chick wouldn't partake in one of her favorite celebrity's/athlete's invites is a fantasy. She may bring a friend with her but this handshake thing is malarkey. A majority of women WOULD visit a popular male celebrity after an invite (that doesn't mean sex or "orgy time"; I'm talking about satisfying the curiosity bug)...EVEN if they have a boyfriend their "in love" with. To pretend like they wouldn't is equivalent to living in another world . Wake-up and smell the backstage pass.
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Posted by: Larke2000

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


Long time no hear, Larkey. Nice to hear from you. There are some good women (like my mom, girlfriend and a sporadic peer) out there. That's not the point. The point: to pretend like the average "good" chick wouldn't partake in one of her favorite celebrity's/athlete's invites is a fantasy. She may bring a friend with her but this handshake thing is malarkey. A majority of women WOULD visit a popular male celebrity after an invite (that doesn't mean sex or "orgy time"; I'm talking about satisfying the curiosity bug)...EVEN if they have a boyfriend their "in love" with. To pretend like they wouldn't is equivalent to living in another world . Wake-up and smell the backstage pass.

"...this handshake thing is malarkey" i got a kick out of this ronnie. but back to the subject. i still feel you're way off on this one. there are plenty of women that aren't this shallow, and couldn't care less about a celebrity athlete.
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Posted by: Marlene Newell

I wouldn't go to Kobe Bryant's hotel room. Now, President Bush is another matter. I would definitely go to his room any time of day or night.

Seriously, I think all of this good and bad stuff is a lot of baloney. No one is 100% good (except Jesus Christ), and probably no one is 100% bad -- most of us are a mixed breed, and some days the mix is different. If you always consistently act according to your goodness, then good for you. You obviously will never need to go to confession. But for the rest of humanity, we all make our share of stupid mistakes, and sometimes we flirt with danger and get burned, sometimes really bad. Sometimes, yes, we do things because our moral standard isn't right; but sometimes we fall into temptation and do things contrary to our goodness. I think that's why the scriptures use the phrase "fall into temptation." A fall means exactly that, a descent from a higher moral plane to a lower one.

Perhaps Kobe fell from a higher moral plane, or perhaps he had been in the gutter all along and we just didn't know it. Same for the girl. Since I don't know either one of them personally, it's not likely that I can make a qualified judgment about their "moral goodness" or "moral badness."

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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by Larke2000

"...this handshake thing is malarkey" i got a kick out of this ronnie. but back to the subject. i still feel you're way off on this one. there are plenty of women that aren't this shallow.


Of course, there are. I never said there wasn't any. But even these wonderful, angelical women have a breaking point. It's called: CELEBRITY.
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Posted by: Larke2000

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


Of course, there are. I never said there wasn't any. But even these wonderful, angelical women have a breaking point. It's called: CELEBRITY.
i know women have their breaking point, but i think you're making too much out of the 'celebrity' temptation. yes, there will always be women who will sell their children to sleep with a celebrity. but there are just as many who wouldn't. i'm just saying there are plenty who would flat-out reject sex with a celeb. you may think i'm crazy but its the truth.
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Posted by: gobillybatson

So, let me get this straight......After Kobe is convicted and sent to prison, when he goes into the showers (and we all know what goes on in the showers there) and Bubba and Jerome are waiting in there for him, he's asking for it, right?

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Posted by: Jeem

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


Of course, there are. I never said there wasn't any. But even these wonderful, angelical women have a breaking point. It's called: CELEBRITY.


Stop projecting your own fantasies on other people. Not everyone is a Kobe fan.
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Posted by: Jeem

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ
Notice how you totally AVOIDED answering my question . now, let's try it again:"Outside of Kobe's "encounter" with Katelyn what has he done that you think is so bad?"


If you read and understood my original comment, you wouldn't be asking such a silly question. I have no need to demonstrate he is bad, since there's nothing to suggest he is good, which was my original contention. The burden is on you to show why he is so "good" that he deserves this "good clean" image.

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Before this situation happened Kobe had an image of being a hard working person NOT a bad person, particularly by the standards of many athletes.


Athletes must have very low standards then, if an arrogant punk like Kobe is the paragon of goodness and virtue.

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And that's the main reason why people have trouble believing that he'd commit an act of rape. Answer the question.


Says who? I don't have any trouble believing the rape charges. So my question again: why do people have this romantic and heroic image of Kobe as a good boy?
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Posted by: MetaLuna

Kobe has a clean record, and up until this point, his marriage didn't seem to have any problems. It's not HEROIC, just clean.

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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

quote:
Originally posted by Jeem


Stop projecting your own fantasies on other people. Not everyone is a Kobe fan.


YAWN.
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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by Jeem


If you read and understood my original comment, you wouldn't be asking such a silly question. I have no need to demonstrate he is bad, since there's nothing to suggest he is good, which was my original contention. The burden is on you to show why he is so "good" that he deserves this "good clean" image.



Athletes must have very low standards then, if an arrogant punk like Kobe is the paragon of goodness and virtue.



Says who? I don't have any trouble believing the rape charges. So my question again: why do people have this romantic and heroic image of Kobe as a good boy?


Still no answer. Therefore: case closed. Time is precious.
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Posted by: gosing

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


La, la, la...and then you exited church. First of all I, like everyone, knows what a good girl should be. Then there's reality. Everything you're saying in your posting sounds ideal and wonderful (despite the exaggeration) but sell that stuff to all of these loose chicks out there.

... if you think your so-called "good" friends aren't screwing guys and NOT telling then you really are living in a toy store. "Good" girls are as sneaky as guys and I'm sure your friends have a few tales they haven't told you about in order to preserve their "good" persona.


All I can say is you must live in a whore house!

My sisters and friends ARE good people. Period. Not nuns, but decent human beings. I do believe my sister would laugh her face off if Kobe Bryant propositioned her. She would never date a jock. Not that it makes you bad or anything for wanting to.

No-one is walking around with blinders on. I, as do many people with eyes know what a slut and a whore looks like and acts like. I choose not to surround myself with them. I know of them, but they are not my friends and thank God, not my relatives!

Some people do see celebrities for what they are. ENTERTAINERS! Not Viagra for women.

Being a good girl is not a state of mind it is a state of being. You don't have to go to church every week to refrain from sleeping with anyone who asks. I dis-associate myself from loosey goosey women because disease and filth turn me off!
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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by gosing


All I can say is you must live in a whore house!

My sisters and friends ARE good people. Period. Not nuns, but decent human beings. I do believe my sister would laugh her face off if Kobe Bryant propositioned her. She would never date a jock. Not that it makes you bad or anything for wanting to.

No-one is walking around with blinders on. I, as do many people with eyes know what a slut and a whore looks like and acts like. I choose not to surround myself with them. I know of them, but they are not my friends and thank God, not my relatives!

Some people do see celebrities for what they are. ENTERTAINERS! Not Viagra for women.

Being a good girl is not a state of mind it is a state of being. You don't have to go to church every week to refrain from sleeping with anyone who asks. I dis-associate myself from loosey goosey women because disease and filth turn me off!


Great! You`re living a model life . But you DON`T know the entirity of your friends` exploits and if you think you do you`re naive. Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Think (or, in your case , imagine): If you traveled to another state and country (think vacation) and slept with 3 guys at the same time and decided not to tell anyone--then your friends would NEVER know. It`s THAT easy to preserve a "good" imagine. Silence is, oftentimes, golden. <<Enter Reality Check HERE>> You DON`T have eyes all over the world and when people you know leave your presence you simply don`t know WHAT they do!!! Bottom line. And, even if you think your sister(s) and friends are angels you really don`t know EVERYTHING about them. Whorehouse? I live amongst reality. Reality=You DON`T have to be "loosey goosey" to get a disease. In fact <<enter Reality Check HERE>> that`s the biggest stereotype/misconception about people with AIDS-n-other diseases. Hmmm...sounds like you`re in for some BIG life surprises.
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Posted by: illuminate1

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


The point: to pretend like the average "good" chick wouldn't partake in one of her favorite celebrity's/athlete's invites is a fantasy. To pretend like they wouldn't is equivalent to living in another world


I have to agree and disagree. Yes, there are plenty of groupie hoes that would LOVE the chance to hook up with a famous person. But please dont group women as a whole with that type of chick! I personally have been propositioned by a few celebrity/athlete types and never partake. The whole "I can have any chick I want" attitude is a complete turnoff. A confident man is sexy but that attitude crosses the line.

Some women's self confidence rides on if this or that man thinks they are sexy. I feel like its a good day when I get a compliment from someone.. The difference is I can accept a compliment with out having to drop my panties to feel good about myself! LOL! To each is own. There are pleanty of women who dont give a f***, they figure if men can do it (sleep around) why cant they?
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Posted by: gosing

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


Great! You`re living a model life . But you DON`T know the entirity of your friends` exploits and if you think you do you`re naive. Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Think (or, in your case , imagine): If you traveled to another state and country (think vacation) and slept with 3 guys at the same time and decided not to tell anyone--then your friends would NEVER know. It`s THAT easy to preserve a "good" imagine. Silence is, oftentimes, golden. &lt;&lt;Enter Reality Check HERE&gt;&gt; You DON`T have eyes all over the world and when people you know leave your presence you simply don`t know WHAT they do!!! Bottom line. And, even if you think your sister(s) and friends are angels you really don`t know EVERYTHING about them. Whorehouse? I live amongst reality. Reality=You DON`T have to be "loosey goosey" to get a disease. In fact &lt;&lt;enter Reality Check HERE&gt;&gt; that`s the biggest stereotype/misconception about people with AIDS-n-other diseases. Hmmm...sounds like you`re in for some BIG life surprises.


The only thing that surprises me is that, I am not trying to be insulting to you, but you are obviously trying to be insulting to me. Why???
Why do you keep saying insert reality check here?

Thats not funny. You said it soooo many times. I got it the first time. Your rude!
"I" don't "know" ANYONE Who travels around the world alone. Everyone I know travels with their friends or family. You don't have to be loose to get a disease, but if you are you are much more likely to.

Your problem is the "real" reality. My friends are my friends because we have something in common. Get it? If I don't do it they don't do it. Because we are the same kind of people. NOt trying to be goody two shoes because we are far from that! Living a relatively good life is really not that unusual.

Being a "Good" girl is not being a saint. Just a woman who values her body and who she shares it with. Kobe's accuser is just not that kind of person in my opinion. A Saint is someone who is a close to God as a human can be. That's not my friends!

Not one of my friends would venture into a hotel room with a grown man unless she wanted to have sex with him. Believe it or not, People can know who their friends are. I do know them. The good and the bad. We share our experiences. It's called, friendship...

You don't know anyone like me. And the way you seem to "Know" people, you never will. The reason why you don't see woman as anything but sexual animals when there is no one they know to see them behave, is because those are the only kind you know!

Kobe's accuser is that kind of a person. I don't care about her kind, nor do I mind them. But I do mind them claiming they were mis-lead, or raped, because they are only 19 and they didn't know better.

18 is the legal age to help choose the leader of the country. At 19, You can't still be confused about what men and women do in a hotel room at night.
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Posted by: ronnietalk2russ

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Originally posted by gosing


The only thing that surprises me is that, I am not trying to be insulting to you, but you are obviously trying to be insulting to me. Why???
Why do you keep saying insert reality check here?

Thats not funny. You said it soooo many times. I got it the first time. Your rude!
"I" don't "know" ANYONE Who travels around the world alone. Everyone I know travels with their friends or family. You don't have to be loose to get a disease, but if you are you are much more likely to.

Your problem is the "real" reality. My friends are my friends because we have something in common. Get it? If I don't do it they don't do it. Because we are the same kind of people. NOt trying to be goody two shoes because we are far from that! Living a relatively good life is really not that unusual.

Being a "Good" girl is not being a saint. Just a woman who values her body and who she shares it with. Kobe's accuser is just not that kind of person in my opinion. A Saint is someone who is a close to God as a human can be. That's not my friends!

Not one of my friends would venture into a hotel room with a grown man unless she wanted to have sex with him. Believe it or not, People can know who their friends are. I do know them. The good and the bad. We share our experiences. It's called, friendship...

You don't know anyone like me. And the way you seem to "Know" people, you never will. The reason why you don't see woman as anything but sexual animals when there is no one they know to see them behave, is because those are the only kind you know!

Kobe's accuser is that kind of a person. I don't care about her kind, nor do I mind them. But I do mind them claiming they were mis-lead, or raped, because they are only 19 and they didn't know better.

18 is the legal age to help choose the leader of the country. At 19, You can't still be confused about what men and women do in a hotel room at night.


I think you`re being oversensitive here. I didn`t say anything to offend you. Nor was/is it my objective. To disagree doesn`t mean to offend. Two, regarding a woman traveling (mind you, it was merely a hypothetical scenario to demo how easy it is for someone close to you to sleep around WITHOUT you knowing about it) alone, you know good and well that you`ve or one of your super-dear friends have traveled to visit a relative or friend ALONE. My point is that just because you a have close friend doesn`t mean that you know the entirity of what they do. PERIOD! Friendships don`t come with a free Big Brother camera attached to them. I truly believe that you can grasp that idea.
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Posted by: nicegerbil

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


Notice how you totally AVOIDED answering my question . now, let's try it again:"Outside of Kobe's "encounter" with Katelyn what has he done that you think is so bad?" Before this situation happened Kobe had an image of being a hard working person NOT a bad person, particularly by the standards of many athletes. And that's the main reason why people have trouble believing that he'd commit an act of rape. Answer the question.


What we know of St. Kobe is that which has been shaped by his PR people and the media. Who on this list, other than Ann 227, has met him and can say how he behaves outside the public's eye?
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Posted by: nicegerbil

Ann 227 claims to have worked at one of his catered parties.

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Posted by: big john

personaly i have never kissed a women for 5 minutes straight and it didnt go much further,maybe not always sex,but it went much further then just kissing.

5 minutes of kissing is a long time

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Posted by: ann 227

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Originally posted by helen55


I can't agree with "she got what she asked for" -- IF she was raped. First of all we don't know any of the facts, but the little that we know is that the whole thing took 20 minutes...VERY FEW 19 year old girls would jump a guy and then call rape--all in 20 minutes.

And if a woman says NO --- AT ANY TIME-- NO MATTER WHAT SHE CAME IN THE ROOM FOR -- the man has to stop - or it is called rape.

You guys are not with the current times --- thinking anyone deserves to be raped if they ask for it??? OK so rape me, and I will call the cops

I'm sure she had seen other high profile customers at the hotel before, VAIL is full of them, and did she go to their room for 20 minutes of sex and then cry rape???
LITTLE MISS INNOCENT HAD NO BUSINESS IN KOBE'S ROOM, SHE SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN THE LOBBY, WHICH IS WHERE SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, OH BUT WAIT, SHE COULDN'T HAVE SET KOBE UP IN THE LOBBY.. KOBE IS INNOCENT
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Posted by: ann 227

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Originally posted by ronnietalk2russ


I think you`re being oversensitive here. I didn`t say anything to offend you. Nor was/is it my objective. To disagree doesn`t mean to offend. Two, regarding a woman traveling (mind you, it was merely a hypothetical scenario to demo how easy it is for someone close to you to sleep around WITHOUT you knowing about it) alone, you know good and well that you`ve or one of your super-dear friends have traveled to visit a relative or friend ALONE. My point is that just because you a have close friend doesn`t mean that you know the entirity of what they do. PERIOD! Friendships don`t come with a free Big Brother camera attached to them. I truly believe that you can grasp that idea.
HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE, YOU CAN TAKE THE SLUT OUT OF THE COUNTRY, BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE THE COUNTRY OUT OF SLUT. THIS IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF A LITTLE COUNTRY GIRL TRYING TO MAKE IT BIG. KOBE WILL WALK
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Posted by: nicegerbil

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Originally posted by ann 227
LITTLE MISS INNOCENT HAD NO BUSINESS IN KOBE'S ROOM, SHE SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN THE LOBBY, WHICH IS WHERE SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, OH BUT WAIT, SHE COULDN'T HAVE SET KOBE UP IN THE LOBBY.. KOBE IS INNOCENT


St. Kobe lied about her originally. He did not come forward until the S**T hit the fan.

He is a cheater and reneged on his vows to his wife.
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Posted by: nicegerbil

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Originally posted by ann 227
HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE, YOU CAN TAKE THE SLUT OUT OF THE COUNTRY, BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE THE COUNTRY OUT OF SLUT. THIS IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF A LITTLE COUNTRY GIRL TRYING TO MAKE IT BIG. KOBE WILL WALK


I have to wonder why you display such hate toward this woman. You do not know her or even claim to know her.

Assuming that she is telling the truth then we can only conclude that if you went to someone's room, it would be OK for them to have their way with you since you went willingly.

Assuming that St. Kobe is telling the truth then she could very well be following in Jennifer Flower's footsteps. I do not think that the Republicans will house her, give her a Mercedes to drive, or pay for a face lift prior to trial. After all Kobe is not Clinton.

St. Kobe was willing to cheat on his wife with this "country slut"
and who knows how many times he has done so with other women or how many times he has lied. One lie makes you a liar and was a liar, credibility is lost.
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Posted by: ann 227

O.K., AND YOU SAY ALL THAT TO SAY "WHAT"? Yes, he did commit adultery, so let God deal with that issue. Try and have a nice day nicegirbil. Why is it that I fluff your feathers so? By the way I don't hate this woman, I hate the fact that she's trying to ruin someone's life, for financial gain whether it be Kobe or whomever.

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Posted by: nicegerbil

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Originally posted by ann 227
O.K., AND YOU SAY ALL THAT TO SAY "WHAT"? Yes, he did commit adultery, so let God deal with that issue. Try and have a nice day nicegirbil. Why is it that I fluff your feathers so? By the way I don't hate this woman, I hate the fact that she's trying to ruin someone's life, for financial gain whether it be Kobe or whomever.


Thanks for the reply.

1) You do not "ruffle my feathers," your hypocrisy does. This is not personal, I do not know you nor would care to if this is the best intellectual debate you can muster.

2) "God" is the ultimate refuge of scoundrels and I do not believe that he/she gives a darn about St. Kobe.

3) I do believe that you do harbor hostility for this woman. All of your posts decry her humanity and condemn her for being in the wrong/right place with St. Kobe. Maybe she got further with him than you ever will and that is the real reason for your hate. Maybe it is because she is white. I don't know but you have it in for her. Did you say anything when Clinton was sued and had to pay for taking "NO" for an answer? Did you say anything while Kenneth Starr had people jailed indefinitely for refusing to play his game?

Wake up and smell the roses. You are idol worshiping and nothing more.
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Posted by: ann 227

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Originally posted by nicegerbil


Thanks for the reply.

1) You do not "ruffle my feathers," your hypocrisy does. This is not personal, I do not know you nor would care to if this is the best intellectual debate you can muster.

2) "God" is the ultimate refuge of scoundrels and I do not believe that he/she gives a darn about St. Kobe.

3) I do believe that you do harbor hostility for this woman. All of your posts decry her humanity and condemn her for being in the wrong/right place with St. Kobe. Maybe she got further with him than you ever will and that is the real reason for your hate. Maybe it is because she is white. I don't know but you have it in for her. Did you say anything when Clinton was sued and had to pay for taking "NO" for an answer? Did you say anything while Kenneth Starr had people jailed indefinitely for refusing to play his game?

Wake up and smell the roses. You are idol worshiping and nothing more.
I am going to say one last thing to you nicegirbil, get back to me after the trial, I sure want to know how you feel about the verdict: not guilty until then try and have a good day, oh one more thing I like Clinton.
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Posted by: ann 227

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Originally posted by ann 227
I am going to say one last thing to you nicegirbil, get back to me after the trial, I sure want to know how you feel about the verdict: not guilty until then try and have a good day, oh one more thing I like Clinton.
Lastly, you say I'm jealous because Miss Innocent got further with Kobe than I ever will, I'll pass I like mine laying down, not bent over a chair
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Posted by: nicegerbil

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Originally posted by ann 227
I am going to say one last thing to you nicegirbil, get back to me after the trial, I sure want to know how you feel about the verdict: not guilty until then try and have a good day, oh one more thing I like Clinton.


The sad part is that I do agree that St. Kobe is innocent until proven guilty. However, so is "Little Miss Innocent" until after the trail. She will be shown to either have concocted the whole story, said the truth, or not have been able to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that St. Kobe did it.

On the other hand, St. Kobe has made himself vulnerable to a civil law suit which does not require anything more than "a preponderance of evidence." Maybe that will be his penance.

I admire Mr. Clinton as well. Glad to have a more calm conversation.
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Posted by: ann 227

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Originally posted by nicegerbil


The sad part is that I do agree that St. Kobe is innocent until proven guilty. However, so is "Little Miss Innocent" until after the trail. She will be shown to either have concocted the whole story, said the truth, or not have been able to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that St. Kobe did it.

On the other hand, St. Kobe has made himself vulnerable to a civil law suit which does not require anything more than "a preponderance of evidence." Maybe that will be his penance.

I admire Mr. Clinton as well. Glad to have a more calm conversation.
I was beginning to tire of the disagreements also, all I can say is we'll know once and for sure when the trial is half way through, sad to say but you;re probably right, Miss Innocent will probably get some big money in civil court, but remember she said "It's not for the money", so let's just see if she passes on that civil suit, if not then my assumptions are true, IT'S ALL FOR THE MONEY. Good night
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Posted by: nicegerbil

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Originally posted by carin
I knew I shouldn't have gone into this forum. So if I were to go into a hotel room with a guy whatever happens to me is my fault?

If your daughter goes with a guy into a hotel room whatever happesn to her is her fault?

If your wife goes with a guy into a hotel room whatever happens to her is her fault?

If your MOTHER goes with a guy into a hotel room whatever happens to her is her fault?

Wake up. And as for the persecution of people by race, what about by gender? For years and years if a woman was forcibly raped it was considered her fault. She could have been walking home. It was her fault for being out late. It was her fault b/c it couldn't be a man's fault.

I don't know whether Kobe is guilty or not. But neither do you. You weren't in the hotel room. You don't know him. You don't know her. And I think it's sick that most of you are automatically taking his side. I thought in 2003 we were beyond that.

Lock up your wives, lock up your daughters. B/c obviously they can be raped and no one will believe they didn't ask for it.


Well said! Kudos to you.
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Posted by: nicegerbil

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Originally posted by Jeem
This would set a bad precedent if Kobe was convicted of rape. It'd mean a woman can cry rape at anytime, and her word is deemed more credible than the man's. If she went to his room to fool around, then whatever she got, she asked for. Kobe should walk.


Maybe we should stone women for walking in "revealing" or "immodest" clothing also.

What you tell me is that you have no respect for women once you begin to lose blood to your brain because it has migrated south, all women beware of Jeem.

Race does not grant a free get out of jail card for rape as you stated in another post.
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