| Posted by: scarface65 | | This just proves that Superstar's can't have their cake and eat it too. They think that they can bed any women they they desire. I hope since poor mike tyson went to prison that they send this pretty boy to prison so the convicts can rape Kobe six ways from sunday. His wife should be ashamed to stick up for her man. I hope this spells out like Bill Clinton and many more victims come forward. Kobe spent 4 mil for that rock. He better put some away for the civil matter. What a sucker. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Larke2000 | |
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Originally posted by scarface65
This just proves that Superstar's can't have their cake and eat it too. They think that they can bed any women they they desire. I hope since poor mike tyson went to prison that they send this pretty boy to prison so the convicts can rape Kobe six ways from sunday. His wife should be ashamed to stick up for her man. I hope this spells out like Bill Clinton and many more victims come forward. Kobe spent 4 mil for that rock. He better put some away for the civil matter. What a sucker. |
"His wife should be ashamed to stick up for her man." - i agree
"They think that they can bed any women they they desire." - not any woman they desire, just the desperate ones with no respect for themselves.
"I hope since poor mike tyson went to prison that they send this pretty boy to prison so the convicts can rape Kobe six ways from sunday." - has there been a trial? isn't Kobe innocent (at least of rape. he did admit to adultery) until proven guilty in a court of law?
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| Posted by: blakgurl2 | | i feel sorry 4 Kobe. but that doesn't excuse the fact that he cheated on his wife. i also think that he shouldn't have spent 4 million dollars on a ring 4 his wife. buying the ring to me isn't good enough.you can't buy love. but i'm sure that his wife will forgive him. if that was me i would forgive him. but if he did it again i would DUMP HIS SORRY ASS!!! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: DeniseAlexandra | | Personally? I think it was a bad, bad mistake...he committed adultery...and that's bad, yes...but rape? I don't believe it. Yes, I could be wrong. But knowing what we *do* know about Kobe? And what has come up about this girl? If what we hear is true, or close to true, I think he's guilty of adultery and innocent of rape. I feel bad for him.....he deserves a "payback" for his adultery, yes, but he's going to suffer if this goes to trial and drags on. And of course, if things change, and we learn he did indeed rape her? He deserves it all and more. But I just don't believe he did, and I truly think his one night of bad judgement and letting his physical *wants* speak above all else may end up causing him a lot more than he ever thought possible. )o:
And no, I am not, not, not saying adultery is "not that bad"...but it's a far throw from being rape.
As for the ring...some people say he looked into the ring before all his happened. True? Who knows. But if he did get her the ring to "re-afirm" his love for her? I have to agree, if it was me? I'd be wanting a lot more than a ring, and by that I mean emotionally....I'd not want something material. We all know he can easily afford a ring or two....but to me that would mean little, if anything. And yes, I agree, a constant reminder of his cheating.... "This is the ring Daddy got me after he cheated on me, isn't it beautiful!?".....Ugh. Not a good impression for their daughter. Or son, if it was a boy! I have always said I'd never forgive a man who cheated on me....but you know, I am not so sure. I think once, maybe I could, maybe. Twice? Never. But the trust it would lose, and the work it would take to re-build that trust? Kobe needs to spend his time on that, not on shopping for 4 million dollar purple diamond rings. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: georgiaguy | | Many people in this post say the feel sorry for Kobe. WHY? People do not need to feel sorry for him; they need to feel sorry for the poor girl he did this to. Why does everyone think he did not do it? Just because he is an athlete does not mean he is perfect. Look at Mike Tyson and Magic Johnson. Many people thought they where the best people and could not do anything like that. Just because they make millions of dollars a year, does not mean they can do anything they want! Another thing, why do they make that much?!?!?!? Doctors and teachers should be making 8.2 million a year not athletes. Although I do have to admit, some athletes have done good things. Oh ya and don't forget movie stars. Why do they get the big bucks? Some of them are good actors, but are they worth millions? If there where no more movies or sports on TV I would not even notice. I like to watch movies, but my world would not come crashing down. And by all means, if every sport were taken of TV, I would not complain! That's my two cents worth!!! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | |
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Originally posted by scarface65
This just proves that Superstar's can't have their cake and eat it too. They think that they can bed any women they they desire. I hope since poor mike tyson went to prison that they send this pretty boy to prison so the convicts can rape Kobe six ways from sunday. His wife should be ashamed to stick up for her man. I hope this spells out like Bill Clinton and many more victims come forward. Kobe spent 4 mil for that rock. He better put some away for the civil matter. What a sucker. |
Given Kobe's size and physical strength, I doubt he's going to have much trouble from any inmates.
I guess you have already convicted him. Or, are you saying that he should be imprisoned for having committed adultery?
Seems pathetic that you are hoping there are other "victims." Is it because you think the case is too weak against him to warrant being convicted?
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| Posted by: Marlene Newell | |
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Many people in this post say the feel sorry for Kobe. WHY? People do not need to feel sorry for him; they need to feel sorry for the poor girl he did this to. Why does everyone think he did not do it? Just because he is an athlete does not mean he is perfect. Look at Mike Tyson and Magic Johnson. Many people thought they where the best people and could not do anything like that. Just because they make millions of dollars a year, does not mean they can do anything they want! Another thing, why do they make that much?!?!?!? Doctors and teachers should be making 8.2 million a year not athletes. Although I do have to admit, some athletes have done good things. Oh ya and don't forget movie stars. Why do they get the big bucks? Some of them are good actors, but are they worth millions? If there where no more movies or sports on TV I would not even notice. I like to watch movies, but my world would not come crashing down. And by all means, if every sport were taken of TV, I would not complain! That's my two cents worth!!! |
You are mixing apples and oranges. The pay scale for teachers has nothing to do with whether or not Kobe committed rape.
And, the last time I checked, the Constitution gives Kobe the right to presumption of innocence. Those of us who presume he is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law are fully justified in doing so.
And, I don't think either Mike Tyson or Magic Johnson had "good guy" images to uphold. They were quite open about their sexual escapades.
Don't convict Kobe based on the fact that he is a superstar athlete and teachers are underpaid. That would be a gross miscarriage of justice.
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| Posted by: georgiaguy | | I am not saying the he is guilty. I am just saying that I have heard many people say that he could not do what he is charged of. That is all I am saying.
And I know that Kolby raping that girl has nothing to do with the pay of teachers. The whole pay issue just popped into my head, that is all. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: mindmelder | |
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Originally posted by georgiaguy
Many people in this post say the feel sorry for Kobe. WHY? People do not need to feel sorry for him; they need to feel sorry for the poor girl he did this to. Why does everyone think he did not do it? Just because he is an athlete does not mean he is perfect. Look at Mike Tyson and Magic Johnson. Many people thought they where the best people and could not do anything like that. Just because they make millions of dollars a year, does not mean they can do anything they want! Another thing, why do they make that much?!?!?!? Doctors and teachers should be making 8.2 million a year not athletes. Although I do have to admit, some athletes have done good things. Oh ya and don't forget movie stars. Why do they get the big bucks? Some of them are good actors, but are they worth millions? If there where no more movies or sports on TV I would not even notice. I like to watch movies, but my world would not come crashing down. And by all means, if every sport were taken of TV, I would not complain! That's my two cents worth!!! |
Question for you ... why do you think he did do it? Why are you choosing to believe her instead of him? Because you were able to find two African American athletes whom your can prove did have sex with women or perhaps you are saying that both Majic Johnson and Mike Tyson are rapist? Nevertheless by your same theory I could probably list a dozen African American athletes who haven't been accused of anything like this ... why didn't you take that into consideration? Sounds to me like you have issues, & you are simply jealous of who they are and what they make. Instead of trying to elevate yourself you are trying to bring them down. I could never understand people like you. Then you go off on a tangent about Doctors and teachers and what they make ... exactly what does that have to do with this situation? I can answer your questions about why Athletes and Actors make what they do ... it's call Capitolism. They have a product or service that people are willing and able to pay for and the price is controled by supply and demand ... they can only make what the people are willing to pay. That is determined by the value those people put on their services. But enough about that ... maybe you should consider seeking therapy.
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| Posted by: DeniseAlexandra | | Hmmm, I don't get it Georgiaguy. Why NOT believe him? I believe he is an adulterer....but not a rapist. I believe Mike Tyson is an abuser, and that Magic Johnson was also an adulterer......Just because he, Kobe, is an athlete, and famous, and worth millions does not mean he did not do it, and nor does it mean he did it. Why would you think just because he has big bucks and is famous that he thinks he can do what he wants? Is he the only man in America who's cheated on his wife? Or are you saying since he is famous, and an athlete, he thinks he can get away with rape??? Why in goodness name would he think that?! If anything I think it'd be the other way around, as most famous people know others may be after their money, fame, etc.
But why don't I think he did it? Because it's just not the Kobe I know. And no, I do not know him well....but what I do know? And what I know of her? Assuming it is all true, or close to true, I support him, and think she is after something other than justice....... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: vaj209 | | Kobe is an innocent man, or at least I can believe that he basically slept with the wrong type of woman. She is emotionally unstable, and if she can get some money and attention easily, then she will. Kobe should think twice about who he sleeps with; but then again, he did go straight from high school into the real world of money and cars and women, so he was definitely naive enough to get taken advantage of by this woman.
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| Posted by: Jeem | |
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i feel sorry 4 Kobe. but that doesn't excuse the fact that he cheated on his wife. i also think that he shouldn't have spent 4 million dollars on a ring 4 his wife. buying the ring to me isn't good enough.you can't buy love. but i'm sure that his wife will forgive him. if that was me i would forgive him. but if he did it again i would DUMP HIS SORRY ASS!!! |
Why would she dump him? She is nobody. What would she be without Kobe?
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| Posted by: DeniseAlexandra | | My, my.....How do you know she'd be nobody without Kobe? She was a dancer....how do you know she could not have made it big if she did not meet him and give up dancing? Or maybe she'd get back into it, or acting, or whatever! Or, sure, maybe she'd end up a nobody....nobody except Kobe's ex-wife, Mother of his child, and worth a heck of a lot if they do divorce. (o;
Kobe does not "make" his wife. She is a beautiful woman and could have great potential to become whatever she wanted to be if they divorced...including becoming a "somebody". (Cause dont'cha know, life is all about being a somebody over a nobody.......(o; ) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: mystic | |
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Why would she dump him? She is nobody. What would she be without Kobe? |
Who would she be? She would be a beautiful young RICH woman...who would probably have men swooning all over her, not to mention calls from movie producers. She could easily divorce him and take a nice chuck of money away from the marriage. So its not like she would be poor or anything. Obviously she wants to stay with him for the time being. Its called forgiveness.
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| Posted by: Jeem | |
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My, my.....How do you know she'd be nobody without Kobe? She was a dancer....how do you know she could not have made it big if she did not meet him and give up dancing? Or maybe she'd get back into it, or acting, or whatever! Or, sure, maybe she'd end up a nobody....nobody except Kobe's ex-wife, Mother of his child, and worth a heck of a lot if they do divorce. (o;
Kobe does not "make" his wife. She is a beautiful woman and could have great potential to become whatever she wanted to be if they divorced...including becoming a "somebody". (Cause dont'cha know, life is all about being a somebody over a nobody.......(o; ) |
I don't know. For the life of me, I can't name any famous dancers off the top of my head. Dancers, actresses, models, are all a dime a dozen in LA. They are nobodies, they are rich men's toys, trophies at best. Had she not met Kobe, what would she be today? A waitress during the day, a NBA groupie at night. Sure, she'd have lots of money if she divorced Kobe (thanks to Kobe's low IQ), but she wouldn't have the same access as she does now. I mean she's living a groupie's dream, I am not sure she is ready to give up on it so quick.
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| Posted by: Jeem | |
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Who would she be? She would be a beautiful young RICH woman...who would probably have men swooning all over her, not to mention calls from movie producers. She could easily divorce him and take a nice chuck of money away from the marriage. So its not like she would be poor or anything. Obviously she wants to stay with him for the time being. Its called forgiveness. |
Beautiful women don't need money to have men swoon over them. Call from producers for what? Pornos? A pretty face doesn't make you a movie star in Hollywood, girls like her are a dime a dozen. Obviously she's a lot smarter than Kobe, just like Hillary is a lot smarter than Bill.
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| Posted by: mystic | |
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Beautiful women don't need money to have men swoon over them. Call from producers for what? Pornos? A pretty face doesn't make you a movie star in Hollywood, girls like her are a dime a dozen. Obviously she's a lot smarter than Kobe, just like Hillary is a lot smarter than Bill. |
I never said she would need money to have men swooning over her...I meant that if she wasnt married she would have men wanting to take her out. And she would have money on top of it. Pornos??? C'mon now...isnt that a little far out there? We all know that women and men who have been in the spotlight have gone one to become somewhat celebrities themselves, and it isnt like she couldnt be cast in a normal movie, especially knowing that she was a dancer and somewhat talented herself.
She isnt even comparable to Hillary....Hilliary probably stayed married to Bill for political gain, and she really doesnt need him now...she is actually more powerful than her husband. And if she stayed with him not for that reason then its because she forgave him and moved on from it. The same as Kobe's wife. Maybe she is willing to forgive him also....is there really something wrong with that? People forgive their spouses everyday for infractions such as this...its not like this has never been done before.
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| Posted by: apriltoshera | | Well, I wouldn't say that Kobe is not capable of raping or sexually assaulting someone, of course he is. But please answer this, do you not think that this girl is capable of lying? So you mean to tell me that nothing but the truth comes out of her mouth, she's perfect and can't tell a lie? Kobe at least admitted to committing adultry, that probably took guts to tell that out to the nation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not making excuses for him, because adultry is very wrong and a sin against God. But I havn't heard anyone say that she knew he was married. When it comes to committing adultry, both parties are in the wrong whether she knew he was married or not. So she is just as wrong as Kobe. If she didn't know he was married, she knew he wasn't none of her husband, why did she go up to his room and have sex with him. Why did she take the invitation to go up there? She should have said no. But she didn't care. She decided to drop down to a low level of thinking and disrespect herself by going up to his room and spreading her legs and he disrespected his family(wife and child) and himself by, first inviting her to his room and then having sex outside of his marriage. And that's discusting, he don't know where she been and she don't know where he been. No wonder why there is so much disease. But anyways, let's not keep this whole incident one-sided. Both acted very irresponsibly and believe or not, both going to suffer the consequences. I can't make no judgement to either but someone who admits to adultry on national tv, I can believe them much faster than someone who says they were raped and then giving mixed stories about it. She really needs to tell the whole truth about what really happened in that hotel room and stop thinking that everyone should feel sorry for her, because a lot of people don't. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Jeem | |
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But please answer this, do you not think that this girl is capable of lying? So you mean to tell me that nothing but the truth comes out of her mouth, she's perfect and can't tell a lie?
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Of course she can. But I think she deserved what she got regardless. Kobe should walk.
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Kobe at least admitted to committing adultry, that probably took guts to tell that out to the nation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not making excuses for him, because adultry is very wrong and a sin against God. But I havn't heard anyone say that she knew he was married.
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Kobe didn't admit until he was confronted with evidence. That didn't take much guts at all. And how do you know she knew he was married?
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| Posted by: DeniseAlexandra | | A sin of God? Lets please NOT get into a religious debate here, but ummm, not everyone believes in God. And even those who do seem to often have very different views and ideas on what God would want or ask for, or how to interpret this or that.
Is adultery wrong? Yes. Because of God? No. Marriage is a commitment to one another to NOT cheat, and that makes it wrong.
And sure, she plays a role in this knowing he was married. But she did NOT commit to his wife....HE did. He is the one at fault on this. Is it wrong to sleep with someone you know is married? I suppose it depends on the situation and what you believe. But I think most people would agree it is wrong to break a promise of fidelity, and that's what he did. Not the girl. Why people blame the "other woman" is beyond me. Yes, they play a role....but no where near what role the adulterer plays!
Kobe cheated on his wife, and is wrong for that. The girl slept with him, I believe at her own wanting. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: DeniseAlexandra | | And Aprilshera, how can both parties be wrong in commiting adultery even when t one party did not know the person was married? I have NO idea if she knew he was married or not, but you are actually saying whether she knws or not, she was wrong for commiting adultery? She was not married to his wife, he was....and how can someone be wrong when they have no idea the other person is married? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Jeem | | Maybe she's saying it's wrong to have pre-marital sex. So, it's wrong for her to have sex since she's not married... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: apriltoshera | | Jeem, that is exactly what I was trying to say. But some people, as you can see, misunderstood. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: apriltoshera | | DeniseAlexandra,
Ok, I agree with you on that part that everyone does not believe in God. I agree with on that and trust me, I'm not making a religious issue about it. It's a moral issue. Ok, well let's say that she didn't know he was married. Does that constitute fooling around with a man she just met a few minutes ago and knows nothing about him other than he is a basketball player in the NBA? Tell me, is that what you call a woman with good morals, if any at all? So you mean to tell me that if you meet a man and a few minutes after you conversate, he invites you to his hotel room, you gonna take the invitation and go up there and fool around, not knowing where he's been or whether he is married or not? That is called "no self respect" and carelessness, and what others would call it, "a loose tramp". And DeniseAlexandra, if she did not know he was married, she could have asked. She just didn't care. She's not guilty of committing adultry because she is not married, but she did fornicate which is just as bad. And that is wrong whether you believe in God or not. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not on either side because Kobe having sex outside of his marriage is very wrong and definitely irresponsible. But what about this girl? It doesn't make her automatically right because she didn't know whether he was married or not. She had the opportunity to ask. And tell me, what constitutes fooling around with a man that you just met 15 minutes ago and know nothing about where he's been or who he's been with or whether he's married or not? Something to think about. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: BADattaboy | |
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Who would she be? She would be a beautiful young RICH woman...who would probably have men swooning all over her, not to mention calls from movie producers. She could easily divorce him and take a nice chuck of money away from the marriage. So its not like she would be poor or anything. Obviously she wants to stay with him for the time being. Its called forgiveness. |
here you ASSume shes forgiven him already??? - when did you last talk to her about it???
911 was called less than a month ago from Kobe's house and you think shes already forgiven him...
darlin you gotta be joking....just like believing Laci Peterson was OK with Scott's affair with Amber...women aren't that forgivin, at least not the normal ones
this kinda scandal will take several years and several millions spent on shopping..... for her to ever get over it.
obviously she wants more money and if she went for a divorce TODAY she'd get much less today than if she waits until after his name gets cleared....
or if he ends up in jail looks like she would control all the family assets for many years to come....so she's not stupid to leave him today....just taking meds till its over...
and whether she forgives him or not is definitely THEIR business, none of ours. if she stays married she is a fool, cause this may be the first time but for sure its not the last time that he commits adultery.
and that 4.7M ring aint worth 4.7M if she tries to sell it, unless there are fools out there to pay a premium for a ring with THAT kind of history...what kind of woman would wear a ring like THAT on their finger???
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| Posted by: bloxson | | I have to agree, Kobe is not that bright. He shows his stupidity when he gets married at a young age without a prenuptual agreement. He has sex with a stranger without a condom. If he was that horney, he should have arranged to have a gorgeous whore waiting for him in his room. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: DeniseAlexandra | | Why was 911 called from Kobe's house less than a month before?
And yes, I agree....it's not highly moral in most peoples eyes to meet a basketball player and instantly agree (if she did agree, as I believe she did) to sleep with him......However she is young, and she hopefully will look back and shake her head at herself.....but heck, I know women who do this all the time! With plain ol' men, LOL. So not everyone has the same morals.....as you know. (o: She was not really "wrong" to sleep with him, not in the same "wrong" sense as he was. If that makes sense. It is morally wrong to most people to have sex with someone you just met.....but I bet more people agree it's plain out wrong, morally and otherwise, to cheat on your wife. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Jeem | |
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I have to agree, Kobe is not that bright. He shows his stupidity when he gets married at a young age without a prenuptual agreement. He has sex with a stranger without a condom. If he was that horney, he should have arranged to have a gorgeous whore waiting for him in his room. |
This is a small town in Colorado, they probably don't have gorgeous whores like they do in LA. Imagine how tough it was on Kobe to abstain from sex for several days.
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| Posted by: apriltoshera | | No, that don't make sense. She was just as wrong as Kobe. Let's not make the story one-sided. And the last time I checked, there was no levels of wrong-doing. Kobe cheated on his wife, which makes him in the wrong, but that girl consenting to his invitation, she ain't no better than he is. She had the opportunity to ask if he was married, but she didn't care and continued to go into his room and fool around with him not knowing whether he was married or not, so that makes her uh dah! in the wrong also! Both of them made poor decisions by obtaining in that act. And what does Kobe's house have to do with this? This event took place at a hotel in Colorado, not at Kobe's house. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: BADattaboy | |
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This is a small town in Colorado, they probably don't have gorgeous whores like they do in LA. Imagine how tough it was on Kobe to abstain from sex for several days. |
tell me if I'm wrong but I thought Kobe flew in from LA and arrived in Vail that same night...so no abstaining for several days...so maybe lack of sex since that AM, I would think he would have some sex with his wife before he left town
I have not heard if they released who the woman was who was treated at Kobe's house after he call 911. Anyone know if it was his wife who had a problem??
did she get beaten up or just go bezerk and was in need to be medicated by the parameds??? I don't blame her if she did need meds
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| Posted by: BADattaboy | | it just does not seem quite the thing a 19 year old girl would do to immediately have sex with someone like that completely unprotected..afterall some of these star athletes have STD and not just AIDS ...so was she suicidal again to do it without a condom???...as I seem to understand it all happened within 20 mins of her going up to his room...just makes no sense, most girls that age are into "falling in love" and romance, not a 20min quikcie... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: DeniseAlexandra | | Again, April, YOU believe it is wrong to have sex outside of marriage or a relationship....not everyone does. Yes, some people DO believe it is ok if THEY want to have sex with someone they just met. She is in the wrong in YOUR mind, and according to your morals, yes. But the same "wrong" as cheating on a wife who had no idea and did not consent to "sharing" her husband? Or the same "wrong" as rape? No. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: apriltoshera | | people really need to stop making excuses for kobe and this girl. kobe is not very smart and a cheat and a lie and this girl is permiscuous and obviously, she does not care or have any respect for herself. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: ronnietalk2russ | |
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I don't know. For the life of me, I can't name any famous dancers off the top of my head. Dancers, actresses, models, are all a dime a dozen in LA. They are nobodies, they are rich men's toys, trophies at best. Had she not met Kobe, what would she be today? A waitress during the day, a NBA groupie at night. Sure, she'd have lots of money if she divorced Kobe (thanks to Kobe's low IQ), but she wouldn't have the same access as she does now. I mean she's living a groupie's dream, I am not sure she is ready to give up on it so quick. |
You hit the nail on the head, Jeemation.
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