What now Mr Bush?

Post-9/11 Era Forum

I was wondering, now that both US and UK governments are in such difficulty over the reasons and claims for going to war in Iraq and trust in politicians has reached an all-time low (with the possibility it could easily sink beyond rescue for Blair and maybe even Bush) can the US president and his ne-cons continue with their plans to reconstruct the world in their own image?

As Iraq is turning out to be more difficult than they planned (did they actually plan anything other than who was going to get the reconstruction contracts?) I guess attacked or forcing the more powerful countries in the "axis of evil" to become "Americanised" is now out of the question.

Why dont you ask that of the U.N. and the one world clintonites?

I was wondering, now that both US and UK governments are in such difficulty over the reasons and claims for going to war in Iraq and trust in politicians has reached an all-time low

Wouldn't be because of the incessant efforts of you Leftists in the world and the Media employ to sow discord, apply false motives, seek nefarious reasons for application and otherwise slam Bush and America so as to further your agendas and win the next election, would it?


I mean YOU are the very same people that promised the war would be an unmitigated disaster for America from the start. That the War Plan was faulty, that Sadaam would crush us, that he would torch his nation and that the Iraqi people would NEVER welcome us as liberators because they preferred Sadaam.

You people were wrong on every single count then as you are now. You are engaged in a propaganda war that unfortunately our inept Leaders are capitulating to in answering your stupid and ridiculous charges as they are.

can the US president and his ne-cons continue with their plans to reconstruct the world in their own image?

If not, the world will be remade into a Socialistic tyranny or an Islamic one.

As Iraq is turning out to be more difficult than they planned

Same thing you people said when that convoy was ambushed and you insisted we had to revise the warplan. Baghdad fell a week and a half later to the astonishment of the world.

(did they actually plan anything other than who was going to get the reconstruction contracts?)

Always with you people it's nefarious motive when it suits to further your politcal agenda. We can play the same game, you might ask the French, German and Russians about their protection of Sadaam's regime in opposition to enforcing UN Resolutions in order to fulfil their own oil contracts.

I guess attacked or forcing the more powerful countries in the "axis of evil" to become "Americanised" is now out of the question.

Hell no. Just watch, and learn. We're just getting started in making the world safe for democracy.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by INVAR
Wouldn't be because of the incessant efforts of you Leftists in the world and the Media employ to sow discord, apply false motives, seek nefarious reasons for application and otherwise slam Bush and America so as to further your agendas and win the next election, would it?

It's called democracy. Thing is, nothing like what's happening to Blair and Bush now, happened after the Falklands war because although Thatcher made political capital out of the war, the aims of the war were always clear.

I mean YOU are the very same people that promised the war would be an unmitigated disaster for America from the start. That the War Plan was faulty, that Sadaam would crush us, that he would torch his nation and that the Iraqi people would NEVER welcome us as liberators because they preferred Sadaam.
You people were wrong on every single count then as you are now. You are engaged in a propaganda war that unfortunately our inept Leaders are capitulating to in answering your stupid and ridiculous charges as they are.

The war is not over. You may still have to come crawling back to the UN, which I'm sure you would see as an unmitigated disaster.

As for being wrong - the assumptions were made on the lies that he had all kinds of world threatening WMD and an army that was two weeks from being ready to invade Western Europe.

Always with you people it's nefarious motive when it suits to further your politcal agenda. We can play the same game, you might ask the French, German and Russians about their protection of Sadaam's regime in opposition to enforcing UN Resolutions in order to fulfil their own oil contracts.

Ask away. The French, German and Russians can hardly claim to be angels when it comes to foreign policy.

Just watch, and learn. We're just getting started in making the world safe for democracy.

Such wishful thinking, it's amusing.

It's called democracy.

Sure, if mob-rule dictates appeasement of destiny-driven madmen or genocidal maniacs, or adoption of principles hostile to liberty and freedom - you people are all for 'Democracy'.

The war is not over. You may still have to come crawling back to the UN, which I'm sure you would see as an unmitigated disaster.

Disaster yes. Crawling back to the UN is an exercize in tossing the UN a bone as it demanded to be given when the war was inevitably going to be won by Coalition forces. The war itself is over. Establishing a stable government and self-sufficient Iraq without the risk of civil war or toppling from Sadaam's henchmen is the mission now.

I would rather we ignore the UN completely, but my politcal leaders see it otherwise, to America's ultimate detriment.

As for being wrong - the assumptions were made on the lies that he had all kinds of world threatening WMD

An unquestionable fact from even the UN and Hans Blix.

It is a FACT Sadaam used such weapons in the past.

It is a FACT Sadaam refused to comply with UN Resolutions for 12 years.

America wasn't going to wait any longer post 9/11.

and an army that was two weeks from being ready to invade Western Europe.

Never heard that claim except from Leftists who claim it was.

Such wishful thinking, it's amusing.

Likewise reading you.

Tossing the UN a bone! I think not.

Well that's what it is.

America has no apetite for months of body bags

We were told to expect ten times those amounts during the first week of war by you Lefties. Contrary to popular Leftist thought - Americans do expect a price to be paid for our action in Iraq. Having Leftists go bonkers in glee at American deaths so as to declare Iraq a Bush failure is depsicable but a politcal warfare reality.

especially as it's in a country that was apparently supposed to be happy to welcome the "liberation".

And they were, for a time. Toss a policy of targeting only regime targets in the holy doctrine of limiting civillian casualties, and you get guerillas hiding among the population to wage war behind human shields. Causes the Americans to be uneasy around civillians, causes civillian resentment as security tightens a noose in order to gain control and prevent further ambushes.

Brilliant guerilla strategy. This is what happens when a preoccupation with limiting civillian deaths overrides the overall goal of wiping out the enemy so as to establish a peaceful transition to self-government. The enemy Baathist escapes and hides among the population, waging an atrition war in order to force Americans to pull out early, enabling them to retake Iraq when we're gone.

Surely Americans must be getting confused as to why the troops are still being killed.

I just explained why. There's no confusion, except among Leftists trying to utilize the deaths as cause to further their political agendas.

What kind of gratitude is that? How long will the phrase "pockets of resistance" suffice?

Until we wipe them out and establish a working government that is strong enough to deal with that problem themselves.

This is not vietnam in one respect - you won't getting anywhere near 50,000 dead US troops before pulling out. So say please when you ask the nice UN to give you a hand.

Why, so you people in the UN can stab us in the back? No thanks.

Bush is erroneously tossing the UN a demanded role in post-war Iraq.

"Saddam used weapons in the past?"


Yes. Talk to an Iranian or a Kurd.

And we supplied him with weapons and supported him during his worst attrocities.

Another bogus claim, totally false and already disproven.

So what? He was the weakest country in the middle east and we were watching him with cameras that could take a snap of a beetle from space so we must have know what he was up to.

There's this thing called underground bunkers and tunnels that ran like a maze beneath the sand. What evidence we were obtaining was ignored and discounted in the UN anyway.

Sadaam was playing hide and seek with UNSCOM, the IAEA and UNMOVIC as all three agencies testified.

So where's the weapons, the threat?

Patience. He's had 12 years to hide and move them.

Our fear is they will be discovered when they are detonated and used in American cities. Then we will realize we acted too late in dealing with Sadaam's violations, with untold thousands or millions dead or dying.

I'm sure you will then find some way to blame Bush and us "Neo Cons".

I forgot - you do have your own home-grown terrorists. Now this raises a problem. Do you bomb America too, just to be safe?

It's is not the "lefties" fault that US troops are getting killed in Iraq - see Bush, Cheyne, Wolfowich etc if you want to blame anyone.

No, unlike you Leftists whom seek to apply politcal blame when convenient for your cause and agenda, I blame the raghead scums pulling the triggers and detonating the bombs on our troops.

And then you laughably attempt to smear anyone anti-war - "lefties" "go bonkers in glee" by the deaths of US troops.

I watch the BBC, CNN and other mainstream broadcast news on cable - and I can attest without hesitation that they indeed DO go BONKERS in GLEE to report US casualties and 'morale dissent' at the top of every newscast. They discuss it at length, and then either insinuate or outright state the 'failing Iraq policy of the Bush Administration", followed by clips from the political Left and their observations on how Bush is screwing everything up.

To be expected, there's an election coming up and the mainstream press has to help the Liberals and Socialists win.

So you knew all about the coming guerilla war then? Well it might have been polite to have mentioned this to the your pissed-off troops, who are saying that Rumsfeld should resign.

You need to reread the new thread "The Real Picture in Iraq". Any soldier going into a former war zone is trained to expect guerilla attacks. This was true in Bosnia and Kosovo - yet you people insist our troops didn't expect guerilla action in Iraq.

Ridiculous. I would expect guerilla action if I were still Active Military. I'm posiitive they do too, depsite the few whiners the press sniffs out like dogs to put on camera.

I hope your fear has easesd now that Saddam has gone (somewhere).

A little. I think we should have acted back in 1991 instead of allowing the UN to play Hide and Seek with Sadaam for 12 years.

But, better late than never.

Hope that doesn't scare you too much.

As we continue to exterminate them, my fear-level drops.

Some advice - next time you go into a country, destroy the whole population.

Good idea, we'll take it under advisement.

This will guarantee no attacks or threats or Jihads will ever come from the place. In fact to be 100% safe incinerate every country in the world bar your own. Then you can live in peace and happiness.

Sounds like a plan. We'll let you know if we ever decide to implement it.

In protest, maybe you can pass a Resolution or something.

And Afghanistan.

Hardly fair - after all you did invade Iraq.

I know that's what you people insist America has done, but of course - you have an agenda that demands such adjectives be applied in order to paint the entire Iraq issue into the framework of your agenda.

Despite the record, despite the Resolutions, despite the 12 years of non-compliance, despite the admissions from the UN itself if Iraq's malfiecence.

You have an agenda to wage - you just keep spouting more of the same.

Again DaveDom deliberately ignores reality and fact to wage his Anti-American agenda unabated.

He continues to insist it's an aggresive, hostile invasion to the detriment of the oppressed people living there despite video, letters and testimony of Iraqis (not Palestinians or Baathists disguised as 'civillians).

He continues to spout his ridiculous nonsense that Sadaam never attacked America and therefore posed no threat to the U.S. when both Sadaam and Bin Laden declared war on America in 1997 and 1998 respectively.

America already experienced what happens when we discount and ignore such declarations of Jihad.

We will no longer ignore such threats.

Sorry Dave, thankfully few are listening to you people spout your anti-American talking-point rhetoric anymore.

Why do you even bother answering this crap. Davedom is a sorry excuse for a human being. No ethic, no pride, no alligence I'm sure he is happy as hell sitting in the Uk and not having to worry about terrorists in his back yard (yet).
The war in Iraq was planned for 10 years. We knew what we were getting into and our troops have trained for urban combat for the last 10 years. There are always those who complain and those are the few who signed up for the wrong reasons. DaveddOM, DID YOU SERVE YOUR COUNTRY? I doubt it. You're probably one of those who complain all day and do nothing to resolve the problems.
The current attacks against the troops aren't Iraqi citizens but left over Saddam loyalists and fundamentalists from Syria and Iran. We are kicking their ass and they know it. We are prepared for the long hall and I expect this to last years.
Personally I think there should be twice as many troops and that may still happen. The UN cowards like France and Germany won't get involved. The new Iraqi peoplealready recognize who is helping and who is hurting Iraq. When this is all over, those countries who turned their back will have some serious explaining to do.
DaveDom, get a shovel!

INVAR,

I cannot understand why you insist on labelling Davedom as being anti-American. I find his debate more objective than yours. He shows clear signs of intelligent scepticism, which you lack completely. Intelligent scepticism, in my opinion, being the difference between a truly open minded person and one who teeters on clumsy closed mindedness.

Mr Cargo

I cannot understand why you insist on labelling Davedom as being anti-American.

Read his posts.

I find his debate more objective than yours.

Of course you do, you share the same beliefs and Agenda.

He shows clear signs of intelligent scepticism, which you lack completely.

If 'skepticism' alone is a sign of 'intelligence', my consistent skepticism of the Leftists and the Anti-America crowd ought to mark me a genious.

But if 'skepticism' of America is the sign by which you measure 'intelligence', then I'm glad I don't measure up to your standards.

Intelligent scepticism, in my opinion, being the difference between a truly open minded person and one who teeters on clumsy closed mindedness.

Well, apparently most of you folks are so open minded, you let your brains fall out in the process.

Sorry, I don't measure "intelligence" based on a person's lack of principle on which to stand, which is what you Liberal Leftists require as some kind of badge of smarts and merit.

Why does anyone even bother answering your crap. See I can do that too. If fact - you've no ethics, no pride, no alligence. How about this - your a f!cking moron, an imbecile, a brainwashed zombie.


HMMMMMMMMM............

Interesting that the people running and complaining to the Mods about my 'abusive tone' and 'vulgar insults' are themselves engaging in abusive tone and vulgar insult.

Interesting.

But then again, hypocrisy and double-standard is the Hallmark of all Leftists and Liberals.

Ethics: how about answering this: why does America continues to support evil brutal murdering tyrants and monsters that torture people to death, while claiming it's on a mission to rid the world of evil brutal murdering tyrants and monsters that torture people to death?

Answer why France, the UN and you Leftists do the same thing and maybe you'll find the answer to your question.

Pride: how proud are you of helping and aiding the overthrow of DEMOCRATICALLY elected governments...

Sadaam was 'democratically elected'??? Oh, that's a new hysterical twist of factual history. I guess if assasinating military coups are now a standard by which you people define 'democratically elected' - then I suppose it's no wonder you people support all the 3rd world brutal genocidal regimes.

Birds of a feather I guess.

INVAR
I have never gone to the mods. As for insults, an unprovoked and outrageous strike from USA1 left me no option but to retaliate massively. It nice of you to act as the UN mediater though. But onto more interesting things:

Two revealing quotes from you in last couple of days.

The first:
The EU and the French have a 200 year historical headstart of America in making economical interests coincide with militaristic ones.

And the US is just catching up?

And equally revealing, when I asked USA1 why America continues to support evil brutal murdering tyrants and monsters that torture people to death. You responded:
Answer why France, the UN and you Leftists do the same thing and maybe you'll find the answer to your question.

"...do the same thing..."

Just because other countries do it, doesn't make it alright. But its nice that we are now agreeing on what America is actually doing.

Sadaam was 'democratically elected'???
I obviously wasn't talking about Saddam but you knew that anyway.

As for insults, an unprovoked and outrageous strike from USA1 left me no option but to retaliate massively.

You failed miserably.

It nice of you to act as the UN mediater though.

No. Unlike the UN - I'm not going to pass useless resolutions of condemnation and never seek their fulfilment. I'm rooting for USA1 to kick your arse and I'm up front about it.


"...do the same thing..."

Just because other countries do it, doesn't make it alright.

Right. Go convince the rest of the world of that and maybe we'll have something to work with.

But its nice that we are now agreeing on what America is actually doing.

Hardly. America could be helping an old woman across the street and you people would declare that rape.

Perspective. Ideology.

And never the twain shall meet between us.

'Time for Bush to Take Responsibility for Misleading America'


In recent weeks, America has learned that President Bush's statement in his State of the Union address that "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa" was based on false intelligence.

But President Bush has refused to take responsibility for the statement he made. Instead, he has pointed fingers and placed blame in every direction but back at himself.

Apparently, Bush can't take responsibility for the words that come out of his own mouth. Just look at the following exchange between a reporter and White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan:

Reporter: I'm asking the question, is responsibility for what was in the President's own State of the Union ultimately with the President, or with somebody else?

Scott McClellan: This has been discussed.

Reporter: So you won't say that the President is responsible for his own State of the Union speech?

Scott McClellan: It's been addressed.

Reporter: ...Isn't the President responsible for the words that come out of his own mouth?

Scott McClellan: We've already acknowledged, Terry, that it should not have been included in there. I think that the American people appreciate that recognition. [White House press gaggle, 7/17/03]

Why can't we get straight answers out of this White House? Why does President Bush keep trying to pass the buck instead of taking responsibility for a speech that -- according to the White House -- he reviewed closely?

'Another Lie Exposed'

The Iraq-Niger-uranium story is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to President Bush misleading the American people.

In his 2003 State of the Union address, Bush also tried to tie Iraq to al Qaeda to drum up support for his war, saying, "Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda."

But a new report by the joint congressional committee that investigated the September 11 attacks showed that there was no connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda.


'The Bush Smear Campaigns'

So what is President Bush doing instead of taking responsibility for his own actions? Smearing anyone who opposes him.

Democrats have stood up and demanded Bush be held accountable, and the White House smear machine is gearing up. According to a report in the July 24 USA Today, White House strategists are planning a campaign that questions the motives of Democrats who demand the truth from President Bush.

The American people deserve truth, not smear campaigns.

And there's more. Former Ambassador Joseph Wilson traveled to Niger to investigate the Iraq uranium story almost a year before President Bush touted it in his State of the Union address. Wilson found the story to be false, but the Bush administration claims they never heard about Wilson's trip.

And when Wilson went public with his story recently the White House fought back the only way it knows how: petty retaliation.

Senior Bush administration officials revealed that Joseph Wilson's wife was an undercover CIA operative, essentially ruining her career and breaking laws against revealing the identity of covert agents. [NBC News, 7/21/03]

Misleading the American people. Smearing those who tell the truth. President Bush will say anything to advance his goals, and it's clear the American people cannot trust him.

Once more - the rest of the world's doing it so we will too, again you admit that America is and will continue to support butchers and tyrants.

Not our policy. But as you people have demonstrated - what constitutes a 'butcher and tyrant' is subjective based on your ideology.

Sadaam was a nice guy based on what you people keep claiming, and he didn't qualify for any kind of harsh U.S.-imposed sanctions or military action according to the mantras you people keep repeating here.

Therefore what America considers a genocidal maniac with expansionist plans and dreams is not considered a genocidal maniac with expansionist plans and dreams by YOUR standards.


Saying "they're doing it" is the excuse a child would use as justification.

You have done it and continue to do it. It's not an excuse - just political reality. What America considers actionable is not what you people consider actionable. What defines a threat and tyrant is not what you people define as the threat or tyrant.

I'm open to hearing about atrocities that other countries have carried out.

No you're not. Don't kid yourself. You're simply looking for targets to ideologically revise and exploit so as to find ways to blame America for them someway, somehow.

All one has to do is open a history book or peruse the news archives for all the examples one would ever need.

The deal is, in YOUR mind - America is responsible for all of them somehow.

I've just been reading about Cheznya and the bombing of Grozny. Utterly appauling and illigal bombing of a defensless city. It doesn't make what America has done in the past any better.

While your at it, ask the residents of Moscow if 'apalling and illegal' describes the bombings of civillian apartment buildings and the targeting of civillians by those same heroic, defenseless Chechnyan's.

So yes "I say to you" as our PM is fond of saying, we are agreeing on what America is actually doing.

One man's bane is another man's angel. What you people see is not what America sees and vice-versa.

Welcome to the desert, of the REAL WORLD.

In recent weeks, America has learned that President Bush's statement in his State of the Union address that "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa" was based on false intelligence.

You people just keep firing on the same talking-point arguments dontcha?

Hey bud, did you yank this pile of crap you posted directly from the Democratic Underground or did you make it up yourself??

As has been pointed out ad-nauseum to the utter willful disregard to the Liberal Left (because this is the ONLY politcal ammunition they have), Congress had ALREADY AUTHORIZED the Use of Force Resolution BEFORE the SotU speech - and the Niger yellowcake intel was never used to make the case for war to Congress or the American people before that Resolution was passed.

Neither was that incident the ONLY pretext in our case for action in the UN - yet the Anti-American Left insists it was.

The case for war was ALWAYS based on the violations of 687 and the following 16 Resolutions Sadaam had violated - with the additional emphasis of the danger Sadaam posed post 9/11 when America realized rogues didn't need ICBMS to unleash mass-death or worse on American cities.

Both Bin Laden AND Sadaam had declared Jihad on the United States. A state of war therefore, already existed - both with Al Qaeda - who had been attacking American targets with impugnity before 10/01, and with Sadaam - who had openly violated the terms of the 1991 Cease Fire.

America was already at war, America pre-9/11 and the UN simply refused to acknowledge that we were.

The American people deserve truth, not smear campaigns.

Funny how the 'smear campaigns' [aka; the vast right wing conspiracy] of the Clinton Administration were not only applauded by the Left - but utilized by them as well to smear any opposition.

We were told by the Left that the 'truth' about Clinton shaking his finger at our faces denying the Monica allegations on TV and lying under oath in his grand Jury testimony was 'truth' the American people had no right to know about.

Hypocrites!

Clinton bombed an Asprin factory in the Sudan based on false and misleading intel - and NOT A WORD of complaint by the Left for attacking a sovereign country based on false intel. YET NOW all-of-a-sudden, the Left is trumpeting this ONE INCIDENT as some kind of nebulous proof that Americans were misled into war.

The Resolution had already passed Congress, the polls in America favored action against Sadaam and the Niger fraud incident had NOTHING to do in making the case for war beyond citing yet ANOTHER example of the danger Sadaam posed to America in the post 9/11 world with Jihad having been declared.

In spite of the continuing insistance of you Leftists - America STILL trusts Bush over you people and your proponents when it comes to this war on Jihadists.

DaveDom
Ok, the next time a country is in need and asks for help, we'll leave it up to France, Germany, and UK to handle it. Is that fine with you? I have no problem leaving the scumbags for someone else to clean up. Or, maybe we should all just turn our backs like France and Germany. I suppose that's Ok with you also.
I guess if you never DO anything, you will never do anything wrong. Right?
I served my country, did you?

Invar,
What makes someone such as yourself very scary, is that you will support your party, even in the face of a lie. Corruption exists no matter with which party you side. You lack all legitimate value, when you fail to recognize this. I presume that with you, this is not an oversight but a blatantly bad, ill-moralistic choice.

I support this war based on facts, not based on the lies which have kept it fueled and falsely gained support.

This isn't a party issue. This is about corruption in our political system that we all can do something about. Unfortunately there are too many Dem's and Pub's that lack integrity. Forget your party's superiority complex for a minute. Our government is providing us a tremendous disservice. Are you going to continue to look the other way?

What makes someone such as yourself very scary, is that you will support your party, even in the face of a lie.

Firstoff, the GOP is NOT my party. My support for Bush ends roughly with his foreign policy stance and the war on terror. His domestic capitulation to the Democrat agenda sickens me.

But secondly - please describe THE LIE of which you refer.

I mean, the Left was all-too-willing to support Clinton in his myriad boldfaced lies time and again to the point of becoming apologists for him.

Corruption exists no matter with which party you side.

It's called human nature. There's 6000 years of it.

You lack all legitimate value, when you fail to recognize this.

When America wakes up from it's ignorant stupor of our Foundation and Constitutional framework by which we were supposed to operate (as opposed to the "living Document" crappola) and RETURN to it - the call for 'legitimate value' has absolutely no meaning. It is subjective to whatever cultural zeitgeist is currently en vogue.

I presume that with you, this is not an oversight but a blatantly bad, ill-moralistic choice.

Well, if you're asking me to side with the Left or the Right - I'm going to side with the Right each and every time, despite their lack of backbone.

I support this war based on facts, not based on the lies which have kept it fueled and falsely gained support.

Again....WHAT LIES were knowingly perpetrated? (and please spare the Niger Yellowcake incident - it has alreeady been thoroughly debunked and irrelevant to the Congressional resolution of force passed long before it was ever mentioned in the SotU speech).

This isn't a party issue. This is about corruption in our political system that we all can do something about.

When votes via corruption fail, that's what the Second Amendment is for. Is it still too early?....to quote Rand.

Unfortunately there are too many Dem's and Pub's that lack integrity.

The one's beholden to them for Social handouts and business favors keep putting them in, and America seems to care little as long as they aren't adversley affected, so it's an endless cycle - by design.

Forget your party's superiority complex for a minute.

Well, in contrast to the Democratic party - the GOP is indeed superior, but inferior to Constitutional standards in my opinion. Lesser of two evils kind of thing.

Our government is providing us a tremendous disservice.

By kicking jihad as*? By not capitulating to an irrelevant UN? By not listening to so-called freinds who were busy making deals with Sadaam behind our backs??

Are you kidding me? Defense of the Republic in this proxy jihad war is about the only true Constitutional thing they have fulfilled.

Are you going to continue to look the other way?

Amazing.

For 8 full years you Liberals, Leftists and Democrats insisted America look the other way when it came to blatant lies, violations of oath, misuse of office and obstruction of justice by the Clinton regime.

You people told us it was none of our business, a witchunt, a private affair, a noble effort (bombing the Asprin factory in Sudan) and that his intentions are what we should have judged Clinton on, not his misdeeds, statements or failures.

Now, because YOUR ideologue and Party is not in power - you DEMAND we scrutinize and prosecute every possible claim and charge of malfiescance and mistrust when it goes against your party's politcal agenda.

I think it's called hypocrisy of the highest order.

When it comes to this war we are fighting, I support it wholeheartedly and with every fiber of my being.

I'm looking at America's immediate interests, and hoping the course of events prevents additonal 9/11s that our enemies have promised us.

You can go ahead and pretend they cannot hurt us, but all of America once thought the same thing of Bin Laden back in 1997 when he delared war on us.

See Invar, I am neither Dem, Pub or Lib. To cast a vote to the lesser of 2 evils, is to still cast a vote for evil. You prefer to side, rather than provoke change. Where is the backbone in that?