Wondering about a few things

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Wondering about a few things
Why is it that the people I always think are good, are put down by the judges. I happen the think Shannon has it all! But the judges are always saying negative things to her. Where as, you have someone like MOY who should have gone the first week and she's still there. Also including the rapper!??? (should have been gone! In the mean time they are putting Serena on a pedestal and she isn't even that great! What is going on here?
Do these judges try to influence the public, and they fall for it?
Shannon is by far the best (I do like some others) but Serena is getting all the praise. Just makes me wonder.

Moy is unique and talented.

Shannon is a paper doll version of pop stars.

Are we watching and voting based on best celebrity look alikes or on talent?

Talent I hope.

I believe that the judges on these shows (this includes American Idol) do try to sway your votes. The people with financial interests in the winner know who they feel they can and cannot market and want the American public to vote accordingly.

I listen to the judges because I find them to be relatively humorous, but do not vote according to what they say. I know what I like and that's how I vote!

I believe it's an issue of marketing. The producers and industry "experts" look at the contestants and decide which ones will be easiest to market -- the one who will have a good chance to find an audience to buy their CDs *after* the talent show is over.

Then why did they keep Justin on the show, knowing he doesn't stand a chance to win? Unless of course, they wanted someone else to win, and market, and a good way to ensure that person wins is to put them against people who are not triple threats.

I think the industry has their eyes on Shannon. I think Harlemm will only have a short term win. I don't think he's marketable.

NO kuk, do not try to hide behind a rationale why harlemm can't win according to you...the only reason is that you dislike him, as you posted several times on other threads!!!!!! You said he was not behaving "like a man" that he "didn't wear a jacket" and other nonsenses! Let the other readers know what you truly stand for....
Harlemm is the only marketable thing here because all the other won't be able to be differentiated from the model they are copying!!!!!!!!!! How do you market barbie and barbie2????????

it really seems to me that the judges say what they feel. I have been an avid follower of the show since the beginning because I really like the postive vibe. The judges seem to really like these kids and sometimes when you do like someone, it is important to point out their faults so they can come back the next time and make it better.

Marketability is important, but we have to realize WE ARE THE MARKET. Maybe the producers who let Justin stay so long are trying to create a larger audiece for that market, . . . (_______insert description of Justin's audience) . More fans more $$, and there are lots of Eminem mc's waiting to be Shady.
And of course the judges have favorites and personal opinions, they are hired as judges for their experience, taste, and 'expertise' in their fields. If they didn't like one more than another, what is the point of a contest and judges? The contestants are not equal, different judges should like different traits in their favorite performer.
And yeah, they probably are paid to have opinions, under the table like, but thats what they do over the table too, . . .
(ps- no I'm not saying Justin is "shady")

Harlemm Rocked tonight, as always

Basically from what i got from your post is this: you dont like the homosexual lifestyle, and feel that genders have a way they should act. You feel that because harleem sings in a higher voice and sings girls song he is taking on the charctorisics of a female. What i have to say is this, people do not choose to be gay, or bisexual. Must gay people wish there were not gay because life would be much easier. The dont want to be attracted to the same sex. It isnt about right or wrong its about whom you find attractive. As far as gender roles, who are you to say what gender roles are? I grew up with just my mom and take on many female charactoristics of a female because thats all i have ever seen. The truth is i dont think you have really been exsposed to amny things and therefore still carry around thoughts and ideas that were tought to you. To me its like saying different races choose to be that way, and we all know they dont. If you fully look at the bible and "gods" words you will see that he loves everyone no matter what. I hope someday you will be able to view things in a different light.

p.s. Who said harleem lee was gay in the first place?

to KUKU - if you're worried about the threats of a "gay community" as you boasted about in your "I believe in opposite sex marriages as God intended" then I think the dance world is an area you might want to stay out of - and by the way - you can hate the sin, but love the sinner and even further more "HE WHOM HAS NO FAULTS -PLEASE CAST THE FIRST STONE" - If I were you (Thanking my blessings I'm not) I wouldn't reach for any rocks just yet!

I don't hate anyone. And I'm not casting stones. If I'm going to be asked what I stand for, I'll speak out. If you don't want to know, don't ask me.

As for my posts, I respond to topics and comments just like other do. Sorry you get offended, but it's your offense to deal with.

I think it's odd that each of you critique the people the way you want, but if I speak about something you disagree with, you attack me.

I'm not attacking you.

As for hating the sin and loving the people... I do. But don't think you are going to get me to agree with you because I won't. I'm my own person and I'll stand for what I believe in.

Let's not turn this forum into an "Attack Kuk" forum. I have obviously hit some nerves here, but I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not like Harlemm's style of music or dance. I don't care if he's the most popular performer in the world. I don't follow crowds. I follow what I would purchase and want to include in my life. Who cares if I have a different style? You aren't in my home so you don't have to worry about what music you'll hear, or videos you'll see.

I don't need popularity of the people to persuade my vote. I make up my own mind, even if I stand alone.

Sometimes being out on a limb all by yourself is not so bad. There's more room on the branch to stretch your legs out and relax.

OH, now you are buggin Kukabeara. Who are you to assume what God intends? We can talk history later, but why dont you save your preaching and self justification for a site that discusses phobias and self hate or something, cause you got issues baby. Real big issues.

Well said NoGoodChia - well said!!

You want me to tell the other readers what I stand for? I stand for opposite sex marriages like God intended. I stand for men being men, and women being women. I stand for everything the Bible stands for. Yes, I know people think they are born that way, and that God made them that way, but the truth is, that's not what the Bible says at all.


You are attacking people when you insert your views and project your hate ideas onto unrelated subjects, issues, and people.

Again, well said!!

Thanks Orchesis . I started posting messages here to learn more about Harlemm, not to debate KooKoo, but at least I know I'm not the only one who looks for truth, lol, your replies are appreciated!

Well said guys!! kuk i was not attacking you, if i was then you would know it. My point was this, you have not been exsposed to many things and your posts reflect this. Your post was following the crowd because you where trying to come off nice and missunderstand to get people to like you. I follow myself, i dont try to be different and i dont try to be the same i do what i think is best. If you dont like harlemm, thats fine, however your comments where very offensive, and shoould have been to anyway who respects other human beings. A. Everyone on here is not christian and this is not a forum for religion,, not to mention you dont know what god wants or intends. B. When you saw you are against same sex marriages how is that not going to be offended. This is not a room to discuss ethinics so they really shouldnt be brought up. You back tracked big time and got yourself into a even bigger mess. I am sure you are a nice person and once again i hope someday you can learn about different lifestrls/ and cultures than yours.

Harlemm rocks, even the judges picked him (out of 3 choices) to be a winner. Go Harlemm! His passion for music explodes out of him, he clearly loves what he does. His dancing is excellent, he is very comfortable with who he is.

Hmmm... the previous posts are a bit disturbing... here is my soap box,
Religion, it's your personal business, I'm not interested in what anyone believes, thanks but don't share.
Gay marriage... Canada--LEGAL! America? It will eventually happen.
Homophobia? Those who yell the loudest are usually having personal issues about themselves. Studies have been done. And as a basic psychology lesson, whenever an individual dislikes another person ("he's snotty", "she thinks she's so pretty") the individual notices behavior in themselves that they dislike and projects that onto others.

Marketing... how could you not market Harlemm? And furthermore, given the right amount of money, time and media coverage, anyone and anything can be marketed. Marketing is the art of convincing consumers that they need a product. Ever heard of as seen on TV?

I gotta agree with you DD!

Very well said DD, LATINO, CHIA....
As you said KUK, you can stay on your branch alone where you can stretch your legs and relax...but life is about interactions, and that's why you are posting on this site. Because you do not want to be alone... Therefore you too are here to share communicate and gain acceptance. Your 'I stand alone", is just contradicted by that fact. INterestingly enough you come here to further isolate you, and gain that sense of self rightousness. Does it feel good to believe that your are morally superior, and think that you are the only one that can understand the word of god????
You can cast anathems from your branch but you'll never be able to fly away and see the world. The world is a beautiful place only to the open heart.

There is no social-sexual rules that reflects the face of "my" god because he is all accepting, and tolerant.
Even you, are part of my world as an extreme expression of my own intolerance. May we all live in peace...

Okay okay foushou enough is enough! Everyone is entitled to her/his opinion. You need to let it go!
And to be very honest about it, I am a female and do not find Harlemm appealing. I am not homophobic, so please do not go there. And I am not defending anyone, but come on now...let it go......................pleasse

Well, before it's gone, I'd like to add that was a nice metaphore Foush and said well.

Kuk, I have the same views. However, just because I don't agree with such a sexuality, doesn't mean I won't tolerate it. God told us not to hate nor judge.

I TOTALLY agree with you! Shannon has it all. I'm reading a lot about Harlem, and I just don't get it. He truely does have a great voice. I'm just not impressed by his dance ability or personality. I don't see how anyone else is even in her league. Maybe Tyce would be (if he could sing )

I can only speak for myself when i say i posted to you in an effort to share why your post offended me. I am sorry if you think im attacking you. I think each of the people in fame are good in there own way, but i personally like harlemm. If you dont i have no problem with you or the fact you dont like him, its just the reasons you dont like him seem to be the worng ones. That came out worng, i mean i think you judge him to much on his personally life and not enough on his voice. Anyhow whatever the reason you dont like him and thats fine, all i ask is that you try to think that when you write a post you really could be hurting someones feelings and/or making yourself come off aragont and i bigot. No-one knows you seee we have no place to judge and i just thought i should tell you me take on the situation. Take care!!

latinoj, you are right about hurting people's feelings. I suspect every contestant is going to be hurt by this entire forum if they ever find their way here.

Not a single one of them has not been bashed by someone here... me included.

As for how I feel about Harlemm, I go back to my original post; "should harlemm be penalized for lying?"

From that post, we have led up to the comments so far. I stated a question a while back, wondering how people felt about what happened. From there, I got comments about being self-righteous, hater, and a few other choice descriptions of me.

When I'm challenged to defend my views, I do so. What would you like me to do? Back down and not have a view at all? Fear the crowd and don't speak my view? If so, then perhaps all of you should also keep to yourselves and not post your views.

Just because I don't agree with your choice of life style doesn't mean I have to remain silent. What about the post about Harlemm marry me? I think the nick was "luckyboy". Do you think that type of post is proper? Do you think we all should agree with that type of lifestyle? Sorry if you don't get the support you are hoping for.


If people don't want to accept another person's view, and can't handle the difference of opinions, why do they continue to post? If people don't want me to defend my views for not supporting who THEY think I should support, then don't post any messages at all. They post messages to get their views across, knowing full well someone is going to respond.

I will not, never have, and never will accept certain lifestyles, and despite what anger you guys have about that, and telling me I'm wrong, unforgiving, bigot, and whatever else you want to call me, I will not agree to the types of posts, such as the Gay Pride comments, the Harlemm marry me comments, and similar posts.

I'm not unforgiving towards Harlemm. I posted a comment about lying. Why? To get feedback and other's views. Isn't that why we post any type of comment in a forum? To get other's views.

Because I have a view that offends some, they follow me around and post something in response to everything I write. In response, I answer back. It continues.

Gay comments have been brought up by others, and I respond. Comments about lies are brought up, and I respond. I respond to other topics too.

It seems to me that a few people here want everyone to have their views, and anything contrary to what they believe is open grounds for attack. I will not agree to, nor do I have to accept everything in this world. Gay lifestyles are one those things.

I never said Harlemm was gay, so whoever says that's why I'm not supporting Harlemm needs to go back and read my very first post about lying. I asked a question and got responses.

I don't care for Harlemm's style of dance and singing. So what? Do you like everyone's style?

What I say is not based on hate and anger. I'm sorry you feel like that. I don't hate anyone, and I'm not angry at anyone. I just don't agree with it, that's all.

Kuka,

Okay I will accept that answer for now. Can you answer a question for me?

Why are you surfing the message boards in invisible mode?

I wasn't aware we were suppose to be visible. If you need to get a hold of me outside of the messages, just send me a private message. I didn't know you needed me to be visible before you could respond to a post, or send me a private message. There is also the chat room.

I am not implying that we are, I am just wondering why you, who have expressed certain opinions, surf the boards in invisible mode? It's as though you are scared to have your presence appear "online".

Are you afraid that you will be constantly attacked?

By the way this thread is meant to be a mature discussion, if you are up to it.

You are already defensive.

Yes we are able to make our own choices. The fun of being visible (in my opinion) is to let others see that you are online and they can follow your posts, you can follow theirs. Some people have great things to post and it is exciting when you see that they are browsing (yeah! so and so is online, what did they post today?).

It just seemd to me that for someone who has posted as much as yourself, you still seem to need to be in the shadows. Not a common trait for an outspoken individual. Very curious to me.

You can actually see a whole lot more than just see if someone is online. You can see what thread they are looking at, when they are typing, when and who's profiles they are looking at, and what forum they are in.

If you want to follow my threads, click on my profile and look at the most recent posts. You can't follow a person's threads just by knowing they are online. What if I post a thread and immediately after, someone else posts one before you saw my nick in the most recent post?

You would have to go to a post you know I am answering, and go to the next unread message. You would have to do that whether you see me online or not.

I could see you viewing that other person's profile by the way. I also know what threads you go to, and when you are about to send in a reply. Bet you can't tell that from an invisible person.

Like right now, you are still sitting in this thread. Bet you are hitting your refresh button waiting to see if I've answered you yet. lol

So basically, you are stalking in invisible mode? Hmmm... that's really strange.

And no I don't care where you post. I was just curious about your behavior. I am an expert at human behavior due to my profession. It is really interesting to me that you sit and monitor people on the boards. That sounds a lot like work, and less like fun. I think the point of these boards is to have fun.

Who says I'm not having fun? And no, I am not stalking. I was playing around with the forum settings (which by the way are available to you too if you look). I found some of the setups, and the other options you can look at. That's hardly stalking. It's out there for all to see.

Curious about my behavior? That's interesting. I'm actually working. I set my own hours, and in between tasks, I check the posts. I'm not on all the time, but then, how would you know since I'm invisible?

The other intelligent point I wanted to make was about your comment concerning luckyboy.

You immediately assumed that BOY in the nick was the gender of the poster. That is a huge assumption. By that behavior you must assume a gender about my nick.

However, luckyboy could mean, Harlemm is a luckyboy and the poster decided that his or her nick would reflect something about who they were posting about.

A great example of this is LovingLee (sorry loving, just an example). This person chose something about the person they were posting about. Many nick's on the boards are like this.

So you immediate assumption was luckyboy was gay and posting something you found objectionable. You jumped at the chance to comment on how you found this objectionable.

are you following me so far?

So, Mr./Ms. human behavioral expert, would you like me to add all my posts to my dedicated Kukabeara thread which someone decided to make, and we sit here and disect them?

I think if you go back and read all the posts I've written, other than my original, they are all in response to the topics already in progress. If I'm not mistaken, the gay subject was brought up in another post... want me to go find it for you?

I'm not the one that brought it up, I just commented on it. Apparently I've ruffled a whole lot of feathers because of my views. Yours too huh?

Yes, I assumed luckyboy was a guy. Am I wrong? I will appologize in open forum for the mistake if that's a female.

No, I could care less if all your posts were printed and bound and indexed in the Library of Congress. That is not what I am getting at. I am not interested in disecting your posts.

Someone made a thread for me as well, this is not about pigenholing your posts.

I am sure you did not bring up the gay subject, no please do not find it for me.

I do not know the gender of anyone on the boards, and really don't care.

Of the posts I have read, of yours, you have taken the opportunity to object to harlemm's assumed sexuality, and that of others. Jumping at every opportunity to voice your disgust.

That is why I posted to take your hate someplace else. When you constantly seize that opportunity it is hate speech.

So you are at work on the east coast, seizing the opportunity whenever you can. That is what I objected to. I don't understand why you can't go past that and move forward to post what you came to the boards for in the first place, FAME.

Well, it seems I've become a hot topic in this forum. I've been answering people, such as yourself.

Perhaps if everyone will tend to their own posts and go to other subjects, I won't have so many posts to answer!

Speaking of behavior expert, have you looked over the way people get so upset if someone else has a different view? After all, isn't that why there are so many posts about me?

To be realistic about it, all the posts here define individual views. I find it odd behavior that certain people here absolutely snap when someone has a different view than what they have.

I just do a lot of answering to people who post questions and comments about me. I wouldn't mind talking about something else, like Fame. As long as people want to ask me questions, I'll just keep answering. I assumed they wanted me to respond or they wouldn't ask.

I like to jump from thread to thread to see what opinions are going around about the show, the purpose of me being here. I answer who I want, I am not compelled to answer anyone.

I completely accept that you have a different view of people than myself. I find people interesting, I specifically seek out other cultures and views to learn more about the world. Fun for me. Yes many people get upset when someone else has a different opinion. I really dislike some of the contestants, however I refrain as much as possible about bashing them. I am human however and have said some nasty things about debbie. I do however still like debbie.

You did not address my comment "Of the posts I have read, of yours, you have taken the opportunity to object to harlemm's assumed sexuality, and that of others. Jumping at every opportunity to voice your disgust."

Is that because it is true?

And by the way, who do you think should win at this point in the competition?

Well okay Kuka, I guess you have decided to end our conversation. I am signing off for the night. Good luck to you.

KooKoo, let me refresh you on a few of your comments: (from this link only, you have not responded to my other threads, . .)
K said-
You want me to tell the other readers what I stand for? I stand
for opposite sex marriages like God intended. I stand for men
being men, and women being women.

I'm not unforgiving towards Harlemm. I posted a comment about
lying. Why? To get feedback and other's views. Isn't that why
we post any type of comment in a forum? To get other's views.

I will not, never have, and never will accept certain lifestyles,
and despite what anger you guys have about that, and telling me
I'm wrong, unforgiving, bigot, and whatever else you want to
call me, I will not agree to the types of posts, such as the
Gay Pride comments, the Harlemm marry me comments, and similar posts.
If people don't want to accept another person's view, and can't
handle the difference of opinions, why do they continue to post?
JUST LIKE WHAT YOU DO!
Who cares if I have a different style?

Contradictions and prejudices abound from your fed back to positive Harlemm posts, this is my first message board experience, I started to support and learn more about Harlemm because he toushed me, from so very far away.
Somehow we ended up here. Could you please explain to me how women should be women? I would feel much better discussing art with you if I knew where your head was at. Other than that, I will stop reponding to you, and your comments, because you start strong, but have not followed though. Show and Prove. To have convictions is wonderful, to convict is lame.

Chia, go look under the post "Kukabeara" for my answer to you when you asked me to explain what I mean by men should be men and women should women.

Kuk my problem is not that you have a different view its that you are very closed minded. You already assumed i am a homosexual when i am not. However you choose to say you dont agree with lifestyles such as mine. The truth is you dont except different types of lifestyles because you dont know anything about them. Do you accept different types of race's? I dont want everyone to be the same and am 100% fine with you having a different point of you, however when you bash other peoples lifestyles i get mad. This goes beyond not likeing harlemm, this goes to the fact that you come on these boards and try to start trouble. I have never said anything bad about any other contestents, however if people want to thats fine. You like everyone on here is human and have there own tastews in music. But dont bash things you dont know about.

Kuk,

Why can't you just shut up already? Every thread you reply in is about the bible, homosexuality, or some other non Fame related crap.

Keep it off the Fame forum, nobody wants to argue this crap with you any more...

If that's true, than why did YOU just post something about it? lol!


As for what I reply to, I was asked questions, and I answered. Like I said before, if people don't me to answer them, then stop posting questions to me so I won't have anything more to answer. It would be rude of me to just ignore their questions.

Kukabeara- you are annoying. Stop preaching! And no one cares about your beliefs on here, go take care of your kids and quit whining and *****ing.

As i said before my english is not that great as it is my second language Peopl do not choose to be homosexual, i already made this clear, all of my gay friends would much weather be straight as it is an easyier life style than theres. I do happend to have an open mind to murder, if its self-defense and other such things, there you go again assuming things. Listen i have tried to be nice to you and try to talk to you in a nice and respectful manner and see your point of view but you dont do the same. Race is a good excpale as people of different race's dont choose there race, people whom are gay dont either. I feel bad for you i do, because you only see things one way, yours If you read my post i never once said that i was gay, I was refreeing to your thoughts on what different genders should act like. This is not a website about gay&lesbiens issues, or gender roles in soceity, or religion. The only reason you dont like harlemm is because you think he is gay, and he lied about his age. You will however never admit that but that is the way you come off on here.

We do not choose who to love. Love chooses us.

1 John 4:19-21
We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, 'I love God,' yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

I don't expect to be quoting religious texts much, but I do wish folks wouldn't only select the parts that they agree with, and ignore the rest. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

OH boy I haven't been here for quite a while!!!!!!!
I must apologize to you all for starting this whole thing with kuk...

This is really tiresome to read and not intellectually stimulating.


It is time for a

LOL

I like your quotations CHIA...and your smilies LOL

Maybe a certain someone wants to remain unseen

so that no one can vote to rate them.

JUSTIN IS SHADY! JUSTIN IS THE BEST AND A REALLY GOOD FRIEND! SEE YA NEXT WEEK JJ