Bush will never be impeached.

Post-9/11 Era Forum

US president can be impeached only if he violates the American law, but never will be impeached if he violates the International law such as invading Iraq with no evidence and with no UN approaval. Removing Saddam from power will benifit America interests for now and for long even it is violating International law. Congress and Senate clearly know it, so they will never impeach US president, Mr. Bush. To the point, American security is above the International law. American interests is above the International law.

If the American Left (like yourself) refused to Impeach William Jefferson Blythe Clinton for lying under oath to a Grand Jury and providing false testimony (offenses of which would land you or I in jail instantly)violations of U.S. law - you think for one minute we're going to subjugate ourselves to useless International law?

Not only are you dreaming , but I hold US Law and US Security LIGHT YEARS ahead of useless, futile and meaningless International law, of which America is the ONLY adherant anyway.

Your disregard for international law is astounding. US is a rogue nation and if it continues along its monolithic path it will lose every ally it has.

You agree we are living in a world no body should care about International law, right?

The UN and the global Socialists apply International law only when it suits them, but otherwise ignore and defy it constantly. They exempt themselves from policies they don't like and go beserk when America does likewise.

which means any country can attack any other country in the world.

Check the papers, happens every day and the UN does absolutely NOTHING about it but talk.

If Pakistan feels insecure, they can attack India and no body should do anything because you think no body should care about the International law.

Thanbks for another example of how useless and inept the UN is.

Tell you what - YOU fix the world's problems on your own with your precious and irrelevant UN - and America will keep it's aid, money and food to help itself.

Don't call on us to solve a major crisis. Don't expect us to bail your asses out of trouble because you do nothing but appease and coddle tyrants.

We'll just nuke anyone to oblivion that looks at us in a wrong way, so know your place.

Deal?

What do you mean it happens everyday? Thee are wars all around the world, agreed, but these did not arise from one country just feeling threatened by another, and they do not involve countries with a nuclear arsenal.
You argue that UN peacekeeping should apply to everyone and I agree with you INVAR. There are inconsitencies, but this does not give us the right simply to add to them. US's pre-emptive attack on Iraq and the misleading propaganda it used to justify it set a new and very dangerous precedent. I would like to see US using its power to uphold UN resolutions not break them.

What do you mean it happens everyday?

Read the damn news instead of looking at the world through your red-colored glasses for a change.

I would like to see US using its power to uphold UN resolutions not break them.

That is the most HILARIOUS JOKE of a statement I've yet read from you. How about getting the UN to ENFORCE IT'S OWN RESOLUTIONS instead of ignoring them, redefining them, revisiting them and making new resolutions over old resolutions that state the same exact thing but in slightly more compromising language?

How about the UN do something on it's own like solve a crisis and genocidal slaughter instead of endlessly debating about it while DOING NOTHING but pass useless resolutions it won't enforce?

How about you expect Sadaam and other UN Resolution violators to abide by your precious UN Resolutions instead of expecting only America to abide by them whenever a contrary poltical wind is currently blowing through the Security Council?

How about you people take your hypocritical, willfully blind, double-standard, inane, inept, ineffectual and otherwise useless UN - and shove it all the way back to Europe whereby it can officially become the New Kremlin Reichstag for your much-desired Social Globalist Empire?

INVAR, I repeat what do you mean it happens every day. Wars might be occurring every day but they did not develop from pre-emptive strikes.
The US is without doubt the most powerful country in the world. It can do whatever it chooses and it chooses to walk trhe jackboot wherever it wants for whatever reason it wants. Just because the UN isn't as watertight as you'd like that doesn't give the US the right to take off the reins. As a world leader, as THE world leader, you might like to set an example, to use your strength and intelligence to better the world. Get over the fact that the UN isn't perfect, it is immature and irresponsible to sulk over this and say because they're not doing something then nor am I. They at least aern't invading one of the oldest civilisations on earth with the most modern firepower on earth just cos they feel a bit threatened.
I do understand what you're saying. I understand how it might feel to be attacked when the UN's own approach might seem so impotent. But war is a staggering responsibility and not something to be embarked upon when so many other nations are not convinced by it.

INVAR, I repeat what do you mean it happens every day.

I repeat, read a paper - log onto the news - get your face out of Marx.

Wars might be occurring every day but they did not develop from pre-emptive strikes.

Tell that to the Indians in Kashmir. Tell that to the dead Iranians from 1979 when Sadaam launched a pre-emptive strike on the Shiites and ignited the Iran/Iraq war. Tell that to the 3,000-plus dead in NY and DC from Osama Bin Laden's Pre-emptive strike on we 'infidels'.

The US is without doubt the most powerful country in the world. It can do whatever it chooses and it chooses to walk trhe jackboot wherever it wants for whatever reason it wants.

Thanks for acknowledging your repeated mantra that America is an 'Expansionist Evil Empire' a paranoid Leftist Lie.

Had America wanted to take over the Mid East, or any other nation - we could do so without hesitation and plant our flag there. But we don't. We don't even allow our boys that fight and die to liberate an opressed Iraqi people to fly American flags on their tanks or put them up in village squares after we have secured them.

Just because the UN isn't as watertight as you'd like that doesn't give the US the right to take off the reins.

Yes it does. You have proven your inefectual ability to even manage simple conflicts or stop minor aggressors. Millions have been slaughtered and starved under your precious UN auspices, and you DO NOTHING to enfoce your own Resolutions and mandates if it is politically inexpedient to do so. You have FAILED, the UN has FAILED. Therefore America will do it FOR YOU since you lack any ability to fulfill even the most minor aspects of your useless Charter.

As a world leader, as THE world leader, you might like to set an example, to use your strength and intelligence to better the world.

We have since the end of WWII - which is why the Western World has prospered to unseen heights of personal wealth and prosperity in all mankind's history in just 50-plus years.

Get over the fact that the UN isn't perfect,

Tell that to all the slaughtered and suffering millions who languish under tyrannical despots while the UN does nothing but talk and debate passing useless resolutions they will not enforce.

it is immature and irresponsible to sulk over this and say because they're not doing something then nor am I.

SHOW ME what you and your nation has accomplished WITHOUT American aid, leadership and action. And PLEASE - leave out your pathetic claims of establishing a useless World Court and myriad treatsies and doctrines that serve as nothing but a stepping stone to infringing tyranny.

Again, you are all about INTENTIONS, not RESULTS. And the road to Tyranny and Subjugation is ALWAYS paved with the kind of good intentions you espouse.

They at least aern't invading one of the oldest civilisations on earth with the most modern firepower on earth just cos they feel a bit threatened.

Again, you overlook Sadaam's violations of your precious UN and focus on an action you DISAGREE WITH and define it as an invasion. When America plants our flag there and it becomes a U.S. Territory - then you might have an argument. Thusfar you are filled with a bunch of Commie-Lib paranoia and conjecture designed to foster a wicked ideology on the unsuspecting.

I do understand what you're saying. I understand how it might feel to be attacked when the UN's own approach might seem so impotent. But war is a staggering responsibility...

So is allowing a tyrant, butcher and madman violate world demands to disarm while securing his own power.

So is ignoring genocidal tyrants with stated goals of domination and conquest go unhindered.

It is how the world got plunged into two world wars and unimaginable holocaust - by continuing the UN's approach that you advocate.

Sorry, we're not going there again. You go ahead and talk and debate while America gets things DONE the way it sees fit. We're safer and more prosperous by it, the world will become safer and more prosperous by it.

OK, INVAR please give mean example of another war fought on similar grounds to this one. I just need to know what particular conflicts you're thinking of when you make these claims. Your examples of India, Iran and 9/11 are not good examples. Kashmir has been fought over for years amidst dispute between two rival countries over a piece of land. Iraq and Iran are neighbouring rivals which had a fundamental ideological difference, namely Islam, when Saddam was in power. The US egged this conflict on remember! They had been posturing for years at each other and could hardly be called a pre-emptive war. And 9/11 was a purely terrorist attack, the author of which we are still not absolutely certain about. US against Iraq was a war where one country merely perceived that the other was a threat. There was no solid dispute or evidence to support it.
Violating UN resolutions (there have been plenty of posts debating whether they have been violated quite as much as you say, so I won't add to them) is a different ball game from invading a country. Israel has violated more resolutions than Iraq and is quietly supported by US so violations alone is not enough.
Planting a flag is colonisation. Invasion is attacking acountry and entering it's borders. This WAS an invasion, I am quite right with my terminology here.
A tyrant. A butcher. A madman. The same guy you supported in his repressive regime throughout the 1980s. The same guy you sold WMDs to. What were these stated goals of domination?
One last point: the world is alot more dangerous now not safer. The whole Muslim world is eyeing America with suspicion and when you cut down the families of young men and women and leave their country in debris you will breed a whole new army of terrorists.

OK, INVAR please give mean example of another war fought on similar grounds to this one. I just need to know what particular conflicts you're thinking of when you make these claims. Your examples of India, Iran and 9/11 are not good examples.

Typical of you. I don't care whether or not you accept the examples I gave. The stated reasons for the escalation of conflict in each of those regions was 'pre-emptive' by the attacking party for what it viewed as gross violations of security. You go ahead and spin it some more into your vortex of inanity.

And 9/11 was a purely terrorist attack,

It was HARDLY that. It was the third attack in a stated holy war or Jihad issued by Bin laden in November 1997 to a CNN reporter and broadcast to the Arab world.

..the author of which we are still not absolutely certain about.

I'm sure you grimmy Socialists are banging your heads about trying to find a way to create "proof" Bush or America did it to ourselves. That is how disgusting you people are.

US against Iraq was a war where one country merely perceived that the other was a threat. There was no solid dispute or evidence to support it.

And we weren't going to wait until that 'solid evidence' became apparent in a mushroom cloud over Boston or Chicago or a cloud of nerve gas killing multiple thousands or millions either.

Why do you keep IGNORING the plain fact that Sadaam had DECLARED JIHAD on America in December 1998 - just as Bin Laden did a year prior?

We SAW what happens when you assume a fanatical madman has no ability to harm you because he has no ICBMs to deliver them.

Violating UN resolutions (there have been plenty of posts debating whether they have been violated quite as much as you say, so I won't add to them) is a different ball game from invading a country.

Once again, no condemnation of Iraq for INVADING KUWAIIT - which precipitated this entire matter (and Sadaam's first stated goal of conquering the Arab Middle east I might add) - just condemnation of the US for ENFORCING the RESOLUTIONS and CEASE-FIRE by military force. Like I said, when the American flag goes up in Baghdad as a marker - we can use the term 'Invasion" as you mean it, and not a moment beforehand.

This WAS an invasion, I am quite right with my terminology here.

Fine, it's and INVASION - what are you pathetic little twerps going to do about it? Pass another USELESS resolution?

A tyrant. A butcher. A madman. The same guy you supported in his repressive regime throughout the 1980s.

America makes the mistake of assuming the world is motivated by the same principles that motivate us. Notwithstanding the fact that Iraq posed no threat to us or our interests at the time. The enemy of my enemy is my freind.

The same guy you sold WMDs to.

More bullsh-t on a grand scale. I already posted a lengthy report from Reuters that details who really sold the WMD components to Iraq.

One last point: the world is alot more dangerous now not safer.

Yes. Suicide Jihadists with WMD backpacks and bombs are a reality we hadn't given much thought to until 9/11.

The whole Muslim world is eyeing America with suspicion and when you cut down the families of young men and women and leave their country in debris you will breed a whole new army of terrorists.

That is what Osama Bin laden is resting all his hopes on. That is the nature of Jihad that he wants waged.

YOUR approach and attitude is to sit by and endure the deaths of thousands of my countrymen because Canada and the rest of the Socialist Global Cabal is more comfortable with America being a smoking hole in the ground than stopping evil.


Now that I'm finished, I'm tired of tit for tat with you Grimmey.

I know what you are, I loathe what you are, and for lack of a better definition, we're ideological enemies okay?

I'm not here to change your mind or anyone elses, but I will post without apology and take to task your anti-American, evil global-socialistic agenda.

You will spin, distort, rewrite history, redefine plain fact, make bold faced lies as statements of fact in order to foster your ideological agenda on the unsuspecting and emoting individual.

I am not an unsuspecting or emoting individual. I know what you are all about, I deal with your kind every day.

Your questions are not questions but opportunities to foster more anti-American lies and Communist propaganda that you champion and relish with glee. It is your religion, your very essence of being that you denounce, decry, slam and harbor bitter hatred towards the United States.

You are jealous, resentful, and envious of our position of power and wealth. You believe we don't deserve such a station in life because it exists contrary to your Socialist Utopian guidelines. Therefore you have to apply nefarious conspiracies and conjecture to distort American policy and actions in order to paint America as the biggest threat to the globe.

Your ideology is god to you, and more important to foster your agenda at every turn than worrying about the means.

The plain truth is that you are small, feeble and helpless in a world operating contrary to your beliefs. Your ideology has failed miserably, and continues to do so daily - yet you continue to propagate lies in an emoting dialogue that exists to ensnare the 'open minded' and 'sensitive' to your Globalistic Conspiracies of American hegemony.

A KGB agent would be more honest than you, while your hatred of America is all you have as character.

You make a lot of assertions about me, INVAR and I was happy to see that in true form none are correct. You don't know me. You are governed by a belief that you know me, but you don't. I do not hate the US. My relationship with the US is a mixed one. On one hand I am amazed at its technological brilliance, and on the other appalled by its disrespect for the rest of the world. I have no gripe with American people (I do not bunch people together in easy to like/hate parcels like you do) but I despise the little grop of wargamers that currently run your country. I do not hate Americans.
As for your last thread...well, again I don't agree obviously. I don't agree on what you think constitutes pre-emptive strike. The examples you gave were wars and a single act of terrorist. Neither was pre-emptive. Even with 9/11 US has been needling countries all round the world and the Twin Towers was waiting to happen.
What really gets me about you is that you fight terrorism with war. You don'yt ever stop to think about WHY you were attacked, only that you were and you need to kick someone's ass because of it. That is the terrible pity of the US and what will eventually bring it down. You fdon't look, or listen, or think. If someone tries to work out a reason why they are shouted down by hawks so they can go have a war. Your life is in danger. If you visit a foreign land the first thing people will see about you is that you are American and that could be a death sentance in itself. You will never defeat terrorism in this manner. You will never find the shadows that stalk the world in their ever growing number.

What Curley said.

I'll simply add that America is going to do what it deems necessary in the world because you effete snobs in the UN are useless and failed. And America is going to do these things whether you Anti-American-Global Socialists like it or not. There isn't a DAMNED thing you sorry retards can do about it except what you do now; moan and b*tch and pass more useless resolutions.

We laugh at you pathetic, backwards emoting fools.

Oh, i was forgetting... in Italy there are still rabid fascists hating U.S. because they helped the communist partisans during WW2 in downing Mussolini's regime. These fascists are still enjoying thwmselves when one of your men is shot by the Iraqis. Of course, these fascists are very few. But they don't fit well with the Socialists/Communists/Marxists conspiracy theory.

Rowdy and I have not said that at all. No one is to be subjugated to another.

Yes you have. You said America should be required with other nations to surrender it's arms to the UN.

When you get past your personal beliefs of the situation and LOOK at the FACTS both historically and logically, the only way to realize your Socialist and Globalist utopia is to force soveriegn nations under the thumb of the UN and the EU where Global Elitists like yourself will determine the fate and actions of a nation or face punishment.

Read the Damn EU Constitution and World Court Charter.

Now don't misrepresent us.

I don't have to. Your own words condemn and identify what you are.

I'm also getting a bit fed up with all the personal remarks.

If you cannot separate yourself from what you write, that is YOUR problem. It is the reason I quote EVERY sentence you post before responding.

Make a point by all means, but my patience is exhausted now and I will report posts where there are remarks made of a personal nature.

I'm sure you will have to go and run to the mods and request they pass a Resolution or something.

But feel free if you must. I don't apologize for my positions, even if you decide they are personal attacks, which is what you people are famous for.

People like you are engaged daily in attacking and denouncing my country, and instantly claim a grieved status when we do not agree with or accept your position or statements - and I for one am going to stand up to your tripe, REGARDLESS of whether you think it's a personal vendetta or not.

Your posts going back a ways on this forum are decidedly Anti-American and hostile as they come, and that is fine with me...you certainly can enjoy the freedom of opinion and speech, but not without heated disagreement and debate. If you take it personally, then as I said, that is YOUR problem.

Be prepared to receive virulent rebuttal and response each and every time you do post your Anti-American Socialist agenda. I will counter your posts point-for-point as I've already done.

INVAR, I welcome virulent rebuttal and responses. But if you can't make those responses without making personal attacks then you do not posess the maturity to participate on the forum. And I am not "running to the mods". You always talk so aggressively, a little more thought and a lot less poison would make you more credible. Nobody is going to change any body elses's mind in this debate but you let yourself down when you can not argue constructively.

INVAR, I welcome virulent rebuttal and responses. But if you can't make those responses without making personal attacks then you do not posess the maturity to participate on the forum.

Separate yourself from what you post then. Disagreement with you and calling what you post for what I see it as, is hardly 'personal' unless you decide it is.

Tolerating the accusations and remarks you make about my nation and it's policies without fierce rebuttal is hardly a measure of maturity. It's a measure of cowardice.

Harsh accusations and insults of the kind you make on this board daily will be met with equally harsh and insulting rebuttal, if not more so.

You always talk so aggressively

I'm no-nonsense, I don't play nice with those utilizing the guise of 'intelligent discourse' to insult and accuse America of the things they do. I do not compromise with lies, distortions, and agendas I deem hostile with freindly language and kind accomodation.

a little more thought and a lot less poison would make you more credible.

If that means I have to accept, tolerate or adopt the poison you claim is medicine on this board then I think you can expect more of the same from me.

You subtley insult above by suggesting if I utilized more 'thought' (ie: consider your leftist point-of-view), I will somehow become credible.

Sorry, I don't play that game. Get past my 'tone' and deal with the substance of what I post, just as I do yours.

Nobody is going to change any body elses's mind in this debate but you let yourself down when you can not argue constructively.

No, I don't fall into that the trap that your politcal persuasion sets. What you consider 'constructive' debate is when we coddle, give credence to, gently disagree and allow respite of your positions without demanding account or calling your positions what they are.

A definition of 'personal' isn't hard to understand, INVAR. Disagreement is fine but tagging on a 'you're a f***ing idiot' is personal. This is just an example before you start saying that you haven't called me that.
I repeat : I am not objecting to rebuttal, but rebuttal can still be fierce without adding derogatory name calling. I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your thread cos you're going off on one again. I think I've made my point perfectly clear. You can still get hot and bothered under the collar (let's face it we all are,) but the incessant name calling is tiresome and childish.

A definition of 'personal' isn't hard to understand, INVAR. Disagreement is fine but tagging on a 'you're a f***ing idiot' is personal.

You mean like these following gems of 'discourse' I was greeted with after my first few posts?:

Rowdy Osama is in La La Fantasyland again.

I believe every nation , inculding the USA has the right to pursue its own destiny.

Gee, thanks. I wasn't aware anyone needed your leave to do so.

I believe no nation should infringe on anothers rights. The limits of these freedoms ought to be right up to the edge of a nations borders...

Nice sentiments but the real world doesn't abide by or operate under those principlesas evidenced by it's history. It's why nations have armies.

Any warfare or military activity conducted on foreign soil is a serious and dangerous action.

But you'll give everyone but the United States a free pass if they do so.

Okay............maybe you'll pass a Resolution or two and perhaps invoke sanctions that your UN member nations can violate with impugnity.

This should be considered and agreed upon in the UN before being committed.

And while you debate, thousands if not millions continue to be butchered, slaughtered, and tortured.

The UN can only agree to do one thing: pass Resolutions it will not enforce.

This in no way demands any nation disarm and subjugate themselves to the UN.

Ahem...one of you Canadians suggested just that in order to have a 'perfect world'. My recollection says it was you.

I think my response was: "You can get f*cked".

Only that they recognize that their sovereignty is over themelves and not others.

In an age of proliferated nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and willing suicide bombers - any credible threat to the United States ENDS any sovereignty to harboring and supporting terrorist nations. Period. End of sentence.

.. that they decide to work within a cooperative democratic body like the UN to decide if wars are necessary and that they willingly abide by those decisions.

The UN refuses to enforce it's own Resolutions and abide by it's own demands when the winds of political change necessitate political expedience. Therefore any decisions it makes are useless, void and of no meaning.

rowdy: Any warfare or military activity conducted on foreign soil is a serious and dangerous action. This should be considered and agreed upon in the UN before being committed.
The frenchs sent their troops in Ivory Coast. Do they ask permission to UN? No. Why should they pretend that others respect what they don't respect? The answer is: that (opposing USA at the UN) was a political move. Nothing to do with rights or principles or 'la guerre n'est pas une solution', war is still a solution for the french business all over the world.
The main objective of EU and France is to maximize revenues. They recently stated that the objective is to boost the european economy in order to make it the strongest economy in the world within 10 years . I hope they'll get it.
UN have no power, no strength. They can only talk. In europe we know this and we'll build a powerful european army to defend our own interests. We want to be a free and independent federation of nations, like you americans wanted independence from the Brits. (Well - not every american- canadians have still the Queen of England as chief of state )

The US is part of the UN!

Hopefully not for long.

[/i]The US can and does ignore any UN resolution it does not agree with![/i]

Examples please, of Resolutions the U.S. SIGNED and AGREED TO and then decided to ignore and violate because we had alternate agendas that interefered with what we already agreed to. The UN has 17 such examples of itself in the Iraq conflict alone.

As to Resolutions we determine are unfair and harmful to us and our interests...DAMN STRAIGHT we're going to ignore them - same as Russia, China and Germany do on a routine basis.

The US vetoes more resolutions than any other nation and has always undermined the UN!

Boo hoo. Maybe it's more proof America doesn't belong in your hostile and worthless League of nations. Now go and pass another Resolution or something.

When the US public is no longer able or willing to tolerate their troops being killed in Iraq and Bush starts thinking he may get booted out of power because of it, the US government WILL return to the UN and beg for help.

Don't count on it. Most Americans are disgusted with the pathetic UN and have seen firsthand what an underhanded slimepit of a body it really is. Polls consistently report that Americans have no confidence in the UN, and would rather America get out of the UN and get the UN out of the U.S.

Only lunatics, madmen, and idiots who've watched too many Claude Van Dam movies think they can rule the world by force.

We don't want to rule the world by force, it sucks - you can have it. We will simply destroy with brutal force any enemy and threat to our security and interests without hesitation.

Clear it up any for you?

DaveDom :
Yeah but he whole world is disgusted with the pathetic "look at the size of my BIG dick" and "suck my bombs" mentality of the USA.

Wrong. The whole world is disgusted with war. Unfortunately, many are disgusted only with the ones fought by the USA. I've said this before, EU would have joined US against Saddam just like they did with Milosevic, and like they already did in'91, but somebody (France and Germany) decided that geopolitics are more important than overthrow a dictatorship.
However, i have to say, many people don't like how France and Germany have been handed just because they didn't agree with the USA. "Disagree" does not mean "be against". Thinking "you are with me or against me" is a too simple and dangerous way of reasoning.

Yeah but he whole world is disgusted with the pathetic "look at the size of my BIG dick" and "suck my bombs" mentality of the USA.

Ask us if we care. Go ahead, ASK.

America is sick and tired of tolerating indecision, double-dealing, backstabbing, underhanded deals, violated agreements, ignored Resolutions and the general hostile attitude of the UN, Europe and the globe's Socialist nations toward America.

We've tried things via trade agreements, bartered and bribed with financial aid packages, given assistance and aid in times of disaster, compromised our sovereignty and our security to appease you people AND STILL it is not enough to instill any sense of humility, gratitude or freindship with you people.

Therefore we are DONE with playing Mr. Nice U.S.A.

Meet Mr. We Are Going To Kick Ass If You Piss Us Off U.S.A.

DEAL WITH IT. We have a bigger dick than you, and we know how to use it.

And let's face it you only ever attack weaker enemies that you know you can defeat. ....

Blah, blah, blah.....yada...yada...yada....sounds like another Sour Grapes EuroSocialist.

Then again even when you presume you can defeat the weakest of nations you still end up getting your as$ whooped. VIETNAM!! I mean VIETNAM ohhh!

Nice try...no cigar. America got it's ass whooped in 'Nam because we subjugated our war waging decisions to the UN and a bunch of political hacks, who limited what kinds of areas we were allowed to go, what weapons we were allowed, and what kind of equipment we were limited to.

America demonstrated in 1991 and this past April what we can do in record-time and record results when the restraints of the UN are not dictating our actions.

Had America refused to listen to the UN in 1991 - Sadaam would have been removed back then and none of the last 12 years' charade would have happened.

But like "Nam, we limited ourselves to the UN in order to appease you people.

Never again. Now we will do things OUR way, and in the manner WE see fit.

"This is our dick, don't f*ck with us or we will f*ck you up badly".

I think you get the picture.

Admit it - you are so f!*cking paranoid you are going to spend more money on military toys next year than the rest of the world put together.

Because we have the wealth and prosperity to do so, and all you people can do is watch and scream bloody murder because it's not you running the show.

Maybe you can pass a resolution or something.

I guess what with all the communist f@g-world and bomb weilding jihad-lunatics just itching to invade the good old US shores and steal all your nike trainers and stuff burgers down their throats, maybe your're right to be so scared.

No, we're not scared - we're resolved to wipe out and annihilate our enemies and neutralize any threat we see so we can continue raising our families, eating abundant food, driving giant SUV's on cheap gas, developing unmatched technology and making tons of cash in the greatest nation on earth.

Yeah but he whole world is disgusted with the pathetic "look at the size of my BIG dick" and "suck my bombs" mentality of the USA.

Ask us if we care. Go ahead, ASK.

You care very much - that is so obvious! Before 9/11 the average America thought the world just loved the US to bits. Sept11th rocked the US psyche over the edge "why do they hate us?" and it's going to take you decades to recover.

Lets face it you haven't really got your head round Vietnam yet, which is why you won't touch North Korea - so obviously a more dangerous threat. You will only attack defensless nations thus you spent over 12 years making sure Iraq was weak enough to invade. And yet you still can't sort Iraq out because again you arrogantly thought they'd throw open their arms and welcome you with rose pettals once you'd got rid of Saddam. They didn't and they won't and it's going to get worse and the American psyche is in such a fragile state it won't take more than a year before US public is screaming to bring the troops home and f!ck what happens to the Iraqi people.

America is sick and tired of tolerating indecision, double-dealing, backstabbing, underhanded deals, violated agreements, ignored Resolutions and the general hostile attitude of the UN, Europe and the globe's Socialist nations toward America.

This from the country that brought the world the joys of Enron and World.com. If you don't like all the above then don't do it. This would be simple but for one thing - you're country is now being run by the most obvious bunch of crooks in your history and only your blind, brainwashed patriatism stops you seeing it.

we're resolved to wipe out and annihilate our enemies and neutralize any threat we see so we can continue raising our families, eating abundant food, driving giant SUV's on cheap gas, developing unmatched technology and making tons of cash in the greatest nation on earth.

Your in a minority buddy! Most Americans aren't stupid enough to think like this for more than a few minutes. For people like you there is one of two solutions 1. stop breeding and 2. build a big space ship and go find yourself another planet and trough to your heart's content.

Originally posted by DaveDom

Yeah but he whole world is disgusted with the pathetic "look at the size of my BIG dick" and "suck my bombs" mentality of the USA.

DaveDom you only seem to think about dicks and sucking. Yes there are bombs in US - the thing is US doesnt use them with no reason.

And let's face it you only ever attack weaker enemies that you know you can defeat.

As if US attacks for the sake of invading.

Afghanistan - a third world country were most were starving ha ha ha. What a military triumphe!

US achieved what it wanted - get Taliban of the power. Any more questions?

And next it was sanction-ridden Iraq. Ooohhh and because they've got WMD that might hurt us Americans and they knocked down the twin towers - and the majority of yanks actually believed this bullsh!t!

Even your beloved Bush said that Saddam has links to terrorists - not exactly Al Qaeda - and Saddam may give/sell WMDs to terrorists - again, not exactly Al Qaeda. If there is evidence of Saddam supporting families of suicide bombers, it means he does support terrorists, directly or indirectly.

Then again even when you presume you can defeat the weakest of nations you still end up getting your as$ whooped. VIETNAM!! I mean VIETNAM ohhh!

What do you think Vietnam war was about?

And no country crumbles like America when they are getting whopped. Admit it - you are so f!*cking paranoid you are going to spend more money on military toys next year than the rest of the world put together. How sad and scared are you???

$360,000,000,000 out of $2,000,000,000,000 is only about 18%... as much as most of the other countries.

I guess what with all the communist f@g-world and bomb weilding jihad-lunatics just itching to invade the good old US shores and steal all your nike trainers and stuff burgers down their throats, maybe your're right to be so scared.

There is something to be scared of. Blind and ignorant people like you, who turned from 'just a man' to a US hating organism. There are millions and millions out there who hate US. For what??

What's that Mr Bush "Bring em on"

Explain plz.

You care very much - that is so obvious!

We used to....but no longer.

Before 9/11 the average America thought the world just loved the US to bits.

Yes, Americans were naive enough to think the world possesed a shred of gratitude and respect for all we've done and sacrificed for it.

Silly us. Will never happen again. We now look at the world for what it truly is: hostile and sinister.

Sept11th rocked the US psyche over the edge "why do they hate us?" and it's going to take you decades to recover.

No, it took less than two months in Afghanistan, three weeks in Iraq and 9 months at Ground Zero. Economy's back, more money is being spent on military weaponry and equipment, new drone technology is being developed to wipe out threats to America in minutes, the Box office is having a reord year, the Summer has been great, Star Wars Episode III is filming and LOTR, Return of the King comes out in December.

Lets face it you haven't really got your head round Vietnam yet

You'd like to believe that, so you go ahead....DELUDE yourself.

...which is why you won't touch North Korea - so obviously a more dangerous threat.

Ahem....the North Koreans are insane enough that any actions we take would go nuclear in moments.

I thought you people expected policy to be one of diplomacy and constant dialogue - epecially when you had crackpot dictators with WMDs. Make up your minds.

Now for all the whining and crying by you people that America is a reckless empire, I find it amusing that you refuse to take notice that we're attempting to diffuse the Korean crisis in a manner which you insisted we should have taken in Iraq....until a WMD is lobbed at an American city.

Make no mistake....we will VAPORIZE completely without regret the entire N. Korean Peninsula if they forget they're not immortal and lob a nuke at us.

GUARANTEED.

You will only attack defensless nations thus you spent over 12 years making sure Iraq was weak enough to invade.

NOW THAT'S an amazing pile of bovine, feline, canine and monkey excrement!

History complety renders your statement as utter crap. America could have wasted Iraq's entire military and taken the Basra Highway like Schwarzkopf insisted we do straight to Baghdad and CRUSH Sadaam THEN instead of STOPPING after 100 hours as the UN demanded, leaving Sadaam in power and opening the curtain on the 12 year charade and game of Inspections.

And yet you still can't sort Iraq out because again you arrogantly thought they'd throw open their arms and welcome you with rose pettals once you'd got rid of Saddam.

And they have by in-large except for Sadaam loyalists hiding among the population causing trouble.

They didn't and they won't and it's going to get worse and the American psyche is in such a fragile state it won't take more than a year before US public is screaming to bring the troops home and f!ck what happens to the Iraqi people.

America wants our troops home as quickly as possible, but not at the expense of Iraq becomming another 1980's-style Iran. We will stay until the transition to self-governance is in place, and working without one group decimating another in a civil war.

But you go ahead and think America is a spineless pu*sy. Bin Laden, the Taliban and Sadaam all thought we were too.

Like I said, America no longer cares what snivelling, argumentative Elitist fools like yourself think about us.

We're content with kicking ass if you piss us off.

Originally posted by INVAR

Gee, thanks. I wasn't aware anyone needed your leave to do so.

Not mine... and certainly not yours. Grow up and stop using every statement for sarcasm or insult. By stating what I believe I in no way whatsoever suggest mine or anyone's permission is involved.

Nice sentiments but the real world doesn't abide by or operate under those principlesas evidenced by it's history. It's why nations have armies.

Only because.. greedy, warmongers have so far always screwed things up for the rest of us. What I am suggesting is a new way to live... in which we decide... a majority of us to respect our seperate nation's boundaries and accept the differences in our cultures... instead of using them as an excuse to demonize each other.

But you'll give everyone but the United States a free pass if they do so.

NO... but no matter how often we say this you don't hear it. All nations should be responsible and accountable for their actions.

Ahem...one of you Canadians suggested just that in order to have a 'perfect world'. My recollection says it was you.

The important part is in a "perfect world".... it is hypothetical.. no perfect world will ever exist... so in practical terms ... since disarming all the rival nations is impossible... perhaps getting them to recognize the legitimacy of the UN and its resolutions and to ABIDE by those resolutions willingly would create a leadership forum for the world. One whose power derives.. not from the military domination consistent with Empires.. but out of the recognition that individual nations are alike to members of a co-op... and the UN can serve as an effective board for making decisions.

In an age of proliferated nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and willing suicide bombers - any credible threat to the United States ENDS any sovereignty to harboring and supporting terrorist nations. Period. End of sentence.

Where do you draw the line? What is the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist? Do the Palestinians {who are the only actual link to ANY form of terrorism for Iraq... since Saddam paid compensation/reward money to the surviving families of sucide bombers.} ... do they fall clearly under terrorist or freedom fighter?

If their situation is admittedly murky.... what link to terrorism did Iraq have? { there is no need to list that possible "meeting" between Al-Queda operatives and Iraqi officials... since we do not know if meeting did end up taking place.. nor if either side were able to overlook their animosity and ideological differences to work together... so it does not represent a link as proof}.

The UN refuses to enforce it's own Resolutions and abide by it's own demands when the winds of political change necessitate political expedience. Therefore any decisions it makes are useless, void and of no meaning.

The UN has had many of its resolutions enforced over the years... it has also had many ignored... this all falls strictly to the members involved and whether they cooperate. That is how the UN works... it does not personally {having no armies except those on loan from members... for peace keeping duties} wage war. The only winds of political change... the only parties demanding political expedience... were the USA/UK. As such.. why should the rest of the UN necessarily be caught up in their {USA/UK] rush?

Grow up and stop using every statement for sarcasm or insult.

Don't provide me ample ammunition in your posts and I won't have to.

Only because.. greedy, warmongers have so far always screwed things up for the rest of us.

If you're a Jihad supporter, Sadaam, Osama or a raving Global Socialist wanting to run the world your way - then I can certainly understand your sentiments. America has certainly thrown a monkey wrench in your plans.

What I am suggesting is a new way to live... in which we decide... a majority of us to respect our seperate nation's boundaries and accept the differences in our cultures... instead of using them as an excuse to demonize each other.

You must also believe the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are possible realities also.

If you hadn't noticed - (and you woefully ignorant, cultural Elitists don't get out of your hypothetical dreaming shells long enough to notice) - much of the world does NOT share your sentiments.

They believe in conquest, Jihad and other typical fashions of genocide to ensonce themselves in power.

All nations should be responsible and accountable for their actions.

Only if it's America and her allies according the you and the UN record.

The important part is in a "perfect world".... it is hypothetical.. no perfect world will ever exist.

Funny, the ideology you keep espousing here insists the exact opposite if only we would adopt and abide by it.

perhaps getting them to recognize the legitimacy of the UN and its resolutions

NOW THAT'S FUNNY!!!!

The UN doesn't even recognize it's own resolutions or even bothers to enforce them, so the idea is patently absurd. The UN has proven itself completely irrelevant and illegitimate.

and to ABIDE by those resolutions

Why should they when the UN won't enforce or stand by them?

willingly would create a leadership forum for the world. One whose power derives.. not from the military domination consistent with Empires.. but out of the recognition that individual nations are alike to members of a co-op... and the UN can serve as an effective board for making decisions.

And Santa Claus is real and Middle Earth is an Apple Vacation destination.

Keep dreaming and spouting this stuff. It's great comedy.

Where do you draw the line?

When anyone and any nation is engaged in Jihad, supporting harboring and aiding terrorists with the agenda of harming America or her interests.

We might extend it to anyone who looks crosseyed at us in the near future.

What is the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist?

Equating Al Qaeda, the Palestinains, Sadaam and the Taliban as 'freedom fighters' is the height of hilarity with you people.

Do the Palestinians {who are the only actual link to ANY form of terrorism for Iraq... since Saddam paid compensation/reward money to the surviving families of sucide bombers.} ... do they fall clearly under terrorist or freedom fighter?

Clearly terrorists. But of course you think otherwise since strapping bombs to their children to kill themselves with as many unarmed civillians is somehow 'desperate' and heroic by your standards.

If their situation is admittedly murky....

No it's not. it's cut and dried. Only emoting Socialistic fools like yourselves make simple matters a miasma of complexity to service your political agendas.

what link to terrorism did Iraq have?

Sadaam declared Jihad on America on December 18, 1998, notwithstanding his aid to Palestinian homicide bombers and their families.

Notwithstanding providing training grounds and materiel to Al Qaeda agents in Northern Iraq.

That is enough for us.

One question INVAR: do you think US will win? or socialism/islamism will take over the world?

Anti-warers usually argue that Bush has ties (had ties, and not ties but some business) with Bin Laden family, as well as american oil magnates who suddenly started workin in White House. But it is well known that Osama is in very bad relationship with his family; so maybe GWB knows something about OBL, Saddam and islamic radicalism as a whole what Clinton and others dont? GWB wouldnt put all these people in the house to let them earn couple of more billions - there is probably another reason.
I wonder why did Europe move so far 'left'? Where does leftism come from? Millions of arabs who live in England and France dont seem to have any influx on their current governments. If yes why did british and french let it take place?

Originally posted by INVAR

If America does things OUR WAY as we've already shown we can do with incredible and record success - then yes, America can and will win.

Yes, but how will the world react? Not only governments around the globe but whole population of some countries is opposed to US. Bush cant just ignore everybody - eventually it will escalate into an open conflict.
That's why in my opinion america has to find some other ways to fight THEM - but what ways? American government cant propagandize pro-US in every country; USA did a lot of good things for the world and continues to; what else?

Europe will fill the vacuum and run the world in a fashion of abject rulership and domination the world has never experienced before as the current toleration of militant Islam - having done the job of rendering neuter the U.S. for them, will be extinguished for the security of Europe.

That's the worst thing that could eventually happen in the future. Remember how many times did european countries try to conquest the world? France - colonies throught out America, Africa and Asia; England as well; Germany - 2 world wars that took millions of lives; Spain... Who knows what did they prepare for us this time.

PS. I forgot to mention Russia's communistic imperialism - sitting on fence nowadays, between US and Europe, ready to jump down to winner's side. Mean while selling military equipment - weaponry, tanks, air force and so on - to Iran, Iraq (in the past), Syria... We all know that Russia's military technology is very developed - those weapons in wrong hands are 1000 times bigger threat than what they have now.
There is one more side - China. What are they up to?

Anti-warers usually argue that Bush has ties (had ties, and not ties but some business) with Bin Laden family, as well as american oil magnates who suddenly started workin in White House.

This is an oft-repeated mantra of the anti-America crowd as some kind of proof for selfish and evil American motives for all of our actions.

GW's father: Bush the Elder, had faar more business ties into oil compaines and profits than GW has holdings or interests in. Had the claim of invading Iraq for oil had any validity - Bush 41 would have taken over the oil fields in Kuwaait and Iraq in 1991.

As to any Bush/Bin Laden interaction before 1990 - it is well-known that America supplied the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan with weaponry to fight off the Soviet invasion. Bin Laden was most likely the contact and conduit for such supply as he led his Jihad against the Soviets.

America naively assumed Osama would remain a viable ally because America blindly assumes most of the world is motivated and shares the same values we do. America had received stern warnings about the growing danger of militant Islam - but we had already forgotten about Iran, despite the fact we had already suffered several assaults. But as always - America assumed it was a few disgruntled nutballs and not the nature of a religious doctrine shared by millions.

America underestimated it's enemies again - because they had no ICBM's to target us with. The thought of homicide bombers utilizing planes as fuel-air bombs, or obtaining WMDs to carry our such attacks never crossed our minds.

But it is well known that Osama is in very bad relationship with his family

Yes, he was exiled because he wanted to establish a Fundamentlaist State with himself at the head.

so maybe GWB knows something about OBL, Saddam and islamic radicalism as a whole what Clinton and others dont?

Clinton KNEW all about OBL - but he subjugate U.S. policy to the UN and his Socialist pals in Europe and China. That is the reason America did nothing after the Khobar towers bombing, lobbed a few cruise missiles at tents in 'Stan and Sudan after the embassies in Africa were bombed, and did NOTHING but shake a finger at the TV after the USS. COle was bombed in Yemen, ALL AL Qaeda operations.


GWB wouldnt put all these people in the house to let them earn couple of more billions - there is probably another reason.

I think GWB is aware of the stakes the militant Islam movement and the Socialist EU are both attempting to foster; the complete removal of America from the Superpower stage.

For Islam it's vengeance against a culture and people it considers infidel devils.

FOr Europe - it's because it is about to forge a Nation-State that is designed to run the globe, or at least the West.

I wonder why did Europe move so far 'left'? Where does leftism come from?

Elitists that think they know how to run the globe better then anyone else. It's a power-trip that combines the quick benefit of Capitalism, with the controlling-aspect of Socialism in distribution. It keeps the Elites in power, and keeps the masses under control and it is spread and accepted because Socialism is packaged in emotional, good-sounding benefits that the masses readily accept in terms of free handouts and government giveaways. Much of it is achieved via class-envy and demonization of the weathy and corporatate endeavors.

Millions of arabs who live in England and France dont seem to have any influx on their current governments.

In some Islamic circles, they are considered 'unclean' for engaging in an evil culture.

If yes why did british and french let it take place?

I don't know about the British except to say that they have moved far to the Left of the Socialist spectrum in their politics after Thatcher.

As to the French, it's about running Europe and serving itself - the only true character France has.

Originally posted by INVAR
GW's father: Bush the Elder, had faar more business ties into oil compaines and profits than GW has holdings or interests in. Had the claim of invading Iraq for oil had any validity - Bush 41 would have taken over the oil fields in Kuwaait and Iraq in 1991.

True. Anti-warers dont understand it.

America naively assumed Osama would remain a viable ally because America blindly assumes most of the world is motivated and shares the same values we do.

We wish.

But as always - America assumed it was a few disgruntled nutballs and not the nature of a religious doctrine shared by millions.

True.

Clinton KNEW all about OBL - but he subjugate U.S. policy to the UN and his Socialist pals in Europe and China. That is the reason America did nothing after the Khobar towers bombing, lobbed a few cruise missiles at tents in 'Stan and Sudan after the embassies in Africa were bombed, and did NOTHING but shake a finger at the TV after the USS. COle was bombed in Yemen, ALL AL Qaeda operations.

Years of careless foreign policy paid off well. At least GWB is trying to do something.

I think GWB is aware of the stakes the militant Islam movement and the Socialist EU are both attempting to foster; the complete removal of America from the Superpower stage.

Yes i think so too. But he did 1 major mistake - instead of trying to get UN's approval and world's support, US should just attack long time ago - in that case WMDs could be found.

For Islam it's vengeance against a culture and people it considers infidel devils.

Freedom is the enemy and the evil of these people; freedom to think, freedom to say, freedom to act. Freedom is something they will never experience and will never understand (at least with today's radicalists in power).

FOr Europe - it's because it is about to forge a Nation-State that is designed to run the globe, or at least the West.

It would be very powerfull that way. Imagine yourself the whole Europe united under one government, defended by one army, and joint economy.

Elitists that think they know how to run the globe better then anyone else. It's a power-trip that combines the quick benefit of Capitalism, with the controlling-aspect of Socialism in distribution. It keeps the Elites in power, and keeps the masses under control and it is spread and accepted because Socialism is packaged in emotional, good-sounding benefits that the masses readily accept in terms of free handouts and government giveaways. Much of it is achieved via class-envy and demonization of the weathy and corporatate endeavors

Exactly what happens in Canada. Taxes are much higher for rich than for poor; special tax returns for poor; and so on. But it's slowly dying - cant work that way. Question is how long will it take.

In some Islamic circles, they are considered 'unclean' for engaging in an evil culture.

... Evil culture that let's them live like humans, eat like humans and work like humans. B!tches eh?

Spout and enjoy your overblown rhetoric while you can cause Bush will be kicked out of office next year, regardless of his ambitions to spend more money on promoting himself than anyone has ever spent on a political campaign in history.

I hope Bush or some Constitutionalist spends billions if they have it. It's called 'freedom of politcal speech', something the Supreme Court ruled in overturning the Campaign Finance Reform Act. It takes money to get out a political message on TV or radio, and therefore free speech that cannot be infringed.

As to Bush getting 'kicked out' - (coming from a Socialist foreigner like yourself is hilarious) - I don't discount the possibility that the Democrats are going to rig this next election in such a way that Hillary wins 100% of the vote. Chads or no chads.

The only possibility he has of getting back into office are either he starts another war, a very great possibility with this war-mongering right-wing neo-conservatives nuts

Of and by which most of the nation is made-up of, with the exception of the Liberal Socialists running the urban cities.

or another terrorist attack on US soil, again certainly a greater possibility now seeing as America has just killed at a rough estimate over 10,000 innocent Arabs in the last 3 years (oops, sorry - no Arabs are innocent in your warped mind!).

Well, the way we now look at it - since they wasted 3,000 unarmed innocent Americans in moments - the less militant Jihadists and Sadaam regime-supporting Arabs there are living, the less of a chance exists of another 9/11.

He'll get kicked out because he lied to the American people

Well, if Clinton can point and wag his finger to the American people repeatedly on TV and to a Grand Jury under oath and bold-faced lie, and STILL remain in office - I'm not worried if a few ideologues like you that insist Bush is lying is going to have any effect.

about the WMD (LIES) and the links to terrorism (LIES) and the threat Iraq posed to the US (THE BIG LIE).

Right. Sadaam was a good and holy guy, the U.S. was the genocidal maniac which is why the UN passed Sanctions and 17 Resolutions condemning Sadaam's regime demanding compliance.

Many Americans right now don't seem to care that they were lied to to support this war but they will.

No, America doesn't BUY your Socialist cabal's agenda of distortions and deliberate smears and bullsh*t, which is why it appears to you people we don't care.

America DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FALSE CLAIMS, we have rejected it. We have seen and heard first-had the arguments and evidence, and have made the decision to support kicking ass wholeheartedly.

And as the number of American soldiers killed in Iraq increases the more the American people will care about being lied to and the more they will blame Bush and Rumsfeld and Cheyne for the deaths of those soldiers.

That is the Democrat and Socialist agenda yes. However, most Americans think we should send MORE TROOPS over there to quickly finish the operation, install a self-government so we can get out and let the Iraqi people forge their own destiny free of intolerant dictatorship and persecution.

Keep up you paranoid ramblings about the rest of the world wanting to destroy America or control America or whatever nonsense you seem to think the communists and socialists and islamists and UN etc want to do with America.

We've seen and heard the evidence firsthand. I'm sure Bush is aware of much more UN and EU treachery than even we are.

It's entertaining and the pro-war nuts love it.

'Love' is such a strong word - "RESOLVED" to thwart and defeat it is a much better definition of how we think.

Originally posted by INVAR
I hope Bush or some Constitutionalist spends billions if they have it. It's called 'freedom of politcal speech', something the Supreme Court ruled in overturning the Campaign Finance Reform Act. It takes money to get out a political message on TV or radio, and therefore free speech that cannot be infringed.

It's called 'corruption' - taking money for favours which is how your lovable cuddley governemt got into power last time. What kind of deal did you do with the Saudis (you know the guys that knocked down the twin towers) to get all that lovely cash? And lets not forget the embarrassing re-counts in Jed Bush's florida. Even you must have been red-faced during that fiasco. Some people even say there was some cheating going on there.

He'll get kicked out because he lied to the American people Well, if Clinton can point and wag his finger to the American people repeatedly on TV and to a Grand Jury under oath and bold-faced lie, and STILL remain in office - I'm not worried if a few ideologues like you that insist Bush is lying is going to have any effect.

You actually want to Compare lying about a blow job with lying about the reasons for going to war? Well as far as I know, no one died or suffered during Monica's gratuatuous sexual act on Mr Clinton? Except for maybe his wife when she found out, but I hardly think that would bother you too much.

Many Americans right now don't seem to care that they were lied to to support this war but they will.
No, America doesn't BUY your Socialist cabal's agenda of distortions and deliberate smears and bullsh*t, which is why it appears to you people we don't care.
America DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FALSE CLAIMS, we have rejected it. We have seen and heard first-had the arguments and evidence, and have made the decision to support kicking ass wholeheartedly.

No they don't care becuase they are still SO releived that Bush has saved them from the imminent oblivion of Saddams earth-destroying WMD. It's was a good trick well executed. Bravo!

That is the Democrat and Socialist agenda yes. However, most Americans think we should send MORE TROOPS over there to quickly finish the operation, install a self-government so we can get out and let the Iraqi people forge their own destiny free of intolerant dictatorship and persecution.

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