What Happend to Voldemort?

Book 5: HP & the Order of the Phoenix Forum

I just finished reading the book and it was awesome.

I am a bit confused about the end though........

***FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T FINISHED THE BOOK DON'T LOOK DOWN...I DON'T WANT TO SPOIL IT FOR YOU***




I'm not exactly sure what happened to Voldemort? I think he was standing in the fountain and engulfed by water or something. Then he disappeared and entered Harry's body.

Am I right so far?

So did he just take off after he realized that Dumbeldore was not going to sacrifice Harry's life just to kill Voldemort?

Can anyone shed some light on this for me? I'm going to read the book again...

i think voldemort apparated into the ministry of magic HQ and since he couldnt kill Dumbledore and that tons of aurors were coming he left. How he got into Harrys body was that he used Legilimency on Harry to control his mind.

You know it just occured to me that some of the comments made in book 5 reminds me a lot about Star Wars.

As you all know, in this book, Harry has a very short temper and is always getting angry (at literally everyone). Because he has this connection with Voldemort, they are both able to feel each others emotions.

Harry was told that he should clear his mind, especially thoughs of anger and hate because that will only feed Voldemort and make him stronger. Thus making it easier to take over Harry's body. Moving on to the fight at the end, Voldemort was in Harry's mind and only let go of him when the feelings of love floated into Harry's mind.

Just like Luke Skywalker, who was taught that hate and anger lead to the dark side.

Call me crazy, but I think the premise is about the same. Does anyone have any comments?

this is getting very religious but i its great how u can realte this stuff to real life

I don't think that it's so much religious, as spiritual. There's a lot happening in this book.. all of them as a matter of fact. And all life can be looked upon as spiritual. It depends how you look at things. Spiritual is way different from religion.

Exactly...

People may differ in their religious beliefs but there are things that are a constant no matter who you are and what you believe in....Those things are love, hate, fear, anger, happiness etc.

I think what JKR is trying to get across, especially to the younger readers, is the importance of those emotions. Just because a person is younger in age (10-15yrs) doesn't mean they do not go through the spectrum of those emotions.

The love between family members and friends is truly all powerful and can overcome any anger, any fear, any hatred, and any evil. Besides entertaining us, the books teach kids and even adults valuable lessons in life.

So, how come after the big fight scene, Harry and Dumbledore talk normally without Harry having Voldemort-like desires to kill him? And since Voldemort is so skilled at Legilimency, can't he break into Harry's mind and find out what the prophesy said, because now Harry knows. And why didn't Dumbledore have Harry get the prophesy early on and destroy it? It seems that would have saved a lot of trouble.

there are a lot of ifs that would have saved a lot of trouble ..

- if Harry would have found the mirror earlier
- if Dumbledore would have told Harry earlier
- if Harry would confide in Dumbledore more often
- if they would have identified the dangerous plant at the hospital
- if Sirius would have stayed home
- if ..
- if ..
- if ..

can you think of any more ? .. sometimes while reading the book i would like to yell at Harry and shake him .. but he never listens to me *lol* ..

but in the end of the book i liked the idea that even Dumbledore makes mistakes and realises that as well ..

ineli

good .. you kinda skipped all the neat details, like the flying notes and the fountain in the main hall .. but still .. not bad ..

but before Harry could reach the corner of Smith St., two dementors jumped from the dumpsters and started to close in on Harry .. he fumbled his wand and it fell to the ground .. his mind started racing - he can't do magic anyway, he would be expelled .. but he'd die if he doesn't .. where is his wand ... the dementors came closer and closer when a loud screech echoed through the crowded street - Harry looked around and saw all those muggles standing and watching - and then he spotted Dumbledore who raised his wand ..

there is another page .. how many more do we need? sevenhundredsomething ..


ineli

Too funny, mrhsia. I was cracking up reading that. It gave me an idea though, and I posted a new thread to do some fan fiction from everyone in this room.

I don't think that we will ever see that. Why in the world would he join the one person who killed, and took away his parent's and godfather?

Well, I can think of reasons enough and I am not even a writer with loads of imagination!

Well, let's hear them....

If you cannot beat them, join them.

He just keeps being disappointed in his friend because they leave him in the dark all the time.

He is not doing well in his Owls and Newts and cannot become what he wants to.

He is a teenager and in pubertity you can do all sorts of funny things.

He cannot get over the fact that Sirius is dead, his father was a jerk at school and he does not feel appreciated.

And so on......

Well, I think that all those things are going to make him a stronger person... and I just don't see him turning! But, we could all be shocked in the end!! Who knows!

don't u think that Neville is just like Wormtail?i mean he's always around strong wizard

I don't think that I understood that question, Nion. Say it again (reword it) for me, please.

does Neville act like Wormtail?(when he was young)

Oh... gotcha!!! Thanks!

Yes, I think that he does seem to act like wormtail when he was young. Good observation.

You mean he's a weak wizard that is always around more powerful ones? Like Harry and Hermione (who would be James, Sirius and Lupin in Wormtail's case)? Yes, but there's a difference. First of all Neville is Gryffindor. Not only Sorting hat has put him there,he has proven to be a Gryffindor in many occasions. He doesn't just follow Harry - he's helping him, and I think he's much more powerful than even he thinks. What's putting him down is his father's shadow and his wand. Now when he's broken his old wand and has a motive to fight Death Eaters he has a chance to show himself in a real light.

yeah,but so was Wormtail(he was the soul-keeper)

I think that Neville is going to surprise us in these next two books. I think that he's going to take a major roll in them, and become quite the whopping wizard!!

Only because Sirius thought they could fool Voldemort by making him a secret keeper. And still, I can't imagine Neville joining Voldemort or something. He's simply modest and has a slight lack of self-confidence, and Wormtail obviously had serious inferiority complex. Neville can take care of himself, he is proud and doesn't show his emotions about having mom and dad at hospital; And if Wormtail had his parents in St. Mungo's - i bet he'd be crying a river on his friends' shoulders because of that, mostly to draw some attention.

and Malfoy too,Harry has got to have a enemy in the school,a powerful one

I think Malfoy is powerful in the dark arts. Lucius is probably teaching him stuff like that at home.

yup

Well THEY can't... but there are many other people in Slytherin, and remember when Harry, Ron and Hermione were organising Dumbledore's Army, people who chose their side just came in, and there could have been something similar going on at the Slytherin side. It's not like all of them are future Death Eaters... but now Voldemort has risen again and people finally accepting that, they will also have to choose their sides. And I bet Draco's making Voldemort a nice propaganda in the Slytherin house. IF it's only a propaganda...

Oh yeah... I'm sure that Draco is bringing in many "followers" for Voldemort. But, he's not the only kid in Slytherin that has parents that are death eaters. I'm sure that we are going to see a huge rising in the amount of people that become death eaters, or just openly show their support for the dark lord.

I wonder how *Snape* will react to this. And Dumbledore. It was so sad how he was almost crying at the end of book 5, will he be able to cope with this?

Well... if Voldemort knows that Snape has left him, he might have told Lucius, and asked him to have his son watch him. Who knows. We will find out. But, I don't think that Snape is going to like that one bit.

Wait... Voldemort knows Snape has left him?
I never really got this Snape-Voldy thing - i think at the end of book four Voldy said something about the servant who has left him and it supposed to be Snape... but then in book 5 Snape apparently started spying on him, so that would mean Voldy doesn't know Snape has left him... I just don't get it.

No... I'm just saying that I wonder if Voldemort knows that Snape has left him. Just a "what if" if I may.

Oh, OK. but there is still this something about the 'servant who has left him'...i think... i gotta read GoF again.

I agree... and Voldemort knows more than people give him credit for. Maybe those "markings" that the death eaters have placed on their arms do more than just let them know certain things. Maybe Voldemort places them there to sense certain things about his puppets.

i thought about that again .. and there is also Karkaroff who might be the one that left Voldemort and "will be killed" .. i really really hope that Voldemort does not know that Snape is spying .. besides, Snape does know how to do Occlumency, right? ..

ineli

Yes, that is correct. It would be good to have him around for a lot of reasons. And besides, I don't want Voldemort to kill Snape. I like him.