Comment on the new book

Book 5: HP & the Order of the Phoenix Forum

I liked the book but i found the ending dissapointing...i`d like to know what you think if you`ve finished the book.

:: sniff sniff :: that was my favorite character!!(trying not to give anything away)

Yes he was mine aswell...but yes ok i understand it creates tension and suspence and everything but its so sad.Now Harry is all alone again.and the ending is so....unfulfillng,don`t you think.Every other Harry book ends well.The story is complete and there are no loose ends.But this one...its like the Matrix Reloaded...you must kow more.There are so many loose ends.
O yes one more thing.What is that arch thing with the black veil Sirius falls thorugh???

i have no idea... luna lovegood was saying that she heard her paerents behind it? or something like that... and why didnt harry use the mirror sirius gave him to check if he was home!?!?! ahhh!!! when harry found it later it got me so mad!!!!

It was sad that Sirius died, but there is a reason for it. Doesn't mean that we have to like that Harry's godfather has been taken from him... but who knows what JKR has in store for the last two books.


Luna Lovegood was talking to Harry about how she knows that she will see her mom again, and then asked Harry about hearing those voices just behind the veil. Harry thought about who Luna believes so many extraordinary things, yet he had been sure he had heard voices behind the veil too. It was left at that. Leaves you wondering.

loved the book but the death made me depressed!! how can sirius just be gone like that?? JKR has to have a plan b/c this shouldnt have happened and if she doesnt im gonna write to her to tell her to re-write the fifth book so that someone else dies. its just so sad.

that reminds me of what i was thinking right after he umm... well he wasnt really killed was he? at least not by a person.... well ... when i first read it i was like NOO!!! LET HERMIONE DIE NOT SIRIUS!!!!! but now i realize that hermione is too important to die...:: whispers :: mr.weasley should die... ummm... :: cough cough :: ignore me im just ranting about his death (its gonna take a while for me to get over this...)

I found it REALLY crappy. (Though it was interesting at the very end). Did anyone else find that it took about 200+ pages for the story to actually pick up? I don't know, I find these 700 page books to be too long for me. But that's just my opinion. It's really depressing because you know it's going to take three more years or whatever for J.K. to come out with the next one. *sniff*

the ending of that book has left me so ridiculously depressed. i really hope she brings him back, i was going to cry. i feel so bad for harry. i liked the darkness of the book but am kind of sad that the series is near it's end...i'm still so shocked, i don't know how JKR could have killed off sirius, of all the people, just as harry finally got to know him. it's going to be so bittersweet seeing his character in the next movie and knowing what's inevitably going to happen. sigh.

i need someone to talk to about this, i'm so depressed. my AIM name is the same as my user name, someone IM me if you're sad too.

WOW!! i`m impressed tha you all replied at my post.
The reason i did this is because i was also soooo depressed after i`ve read the book.I know sirius had to die for a reason but i still believe he is stll alive.i HAD TO KNOW if other people also feel the same way as me so that i don`t go completely mad.

I can`t talk to anyone else about this because no one has read the book yet.

I also hope the next book doesn`t take years to complete because i dont think i`ll be able to wait that long,...i mean its going to be the final war between good and evil and you read what the prophecy said...tum tum tum

And about the movies.They must make it.even if it takes 3 films to make the 4th or 5th book.Imagine what a EXCELLNT collection it would be ,with original cazst of course.

I was sad the way the book ended, but it seems that JKR is sticking to her guns when she said that not all ending are going to be happy. Sirus was my favorite too and it riped my heart out when Harry went to Nick to see if he could talk to sirus again. So Sad! anyway I really hope JKR doesn't ake too long and the next movie should really rock! Any dates for that to come out yet?

i was talking to my sister about sirius's death and she was saying that it kinda reminded her about lord of the rings and how gandalf fell into the darkness with the balrog... we dont even have any proof that hes dead really... and another thing my sister brought up... she was saying that it couldve been one of dumbledore's plans to make it look like sirius died that way they could use him against voldemort without their suspicion... but i dont really think those would work because of jk rowling's reaction to it all, then my sister told me that the interview would be a perfect time to work up all her fans to make it a surprise for the next books...

Well i probably think that #6 will be more about how voldemort finally comes back to his real self. And #7 would be like the finally match between good and evil. All the death eaters trolls and dementors against the good wizards. But i think i am totally wrong.


I just cant wait to see the score 4 harry's Owls to come back.

Also i am kinda confused about the prophecy. Can it really be nEviell? Cuz in #5 he really develops into a guy that can actually stand a chace against evil. And if it WAS him it would totally catch me by surprise.

well harry asked dumbledore the same thing... maybe it was neville not him, but the prophecy said that

" the prophecy said that the final identifying feature of the boy who could vanquish voldemort is that..... voldemort himself would 'mark him as his equal'. and so he did harry. he chose you, not neville." well actually... thats what dumbledore said... so that probably means that its not neville, though it seems that neville is starting to get a bigger part in the series...

Harry was the one that was marked. But, you have to wonder, would the results have been the same had Voldemort gone after Neville instead of Harry? Would Neville be in the situation that Harry is in right now?

But, you're right about Neville starting to get a bigger part, and coming along quite well with his magic.

Well, it really is Harry and not Neville because Voldy chose Harry, a half breed like himself. Because Voldy marked him, they share powers and are forever linked. The sorting hat thought to put Harry in Slytherin, remember? (because he will do great things) but Slytherin are all supremist jerks.

I hope that Harry will kill off Voldy in the end but I'm afraid that it might cost him his own life as a price.

I'm not sure who else will die but JKR has eluded to the fact that Sirius's death is the beginning of a Blood Bath, so we are bound to be more sad in future books.
There has to be more than what Dumbledore has told Harry in the prophecy that nobody ever heard. Dumbledore said it would tell Voldy (Tom Riddle) HOW to kill Harry, otherwise the first attempt as an infant would have done the trick. Perhaps Harry must denounce the very thing that saved him? (family love). What if he refuses to stay at Privet Drive, or the Dursley's kick him out after all? Defying the family love Harry's mother had sealed onto him could be broken by her sister???!!! *gasp*

In response to earlier replys, I too was saddened by the death of my favorite character... but I was EXTREMELY upset in the WAY that he died...

Just a note, this is kinda a spoiler...

It just seems really lame the way he died, there were about 5 members of the Order present, well 6 counting Dumbledore, and the 6 kids, fighting against the 10 or so Death Eaters. Now, before the members of the Order even showed up, the kids were being hit by the Death Eaters spells. None of them were even hurt seriously...

When the Order showed up, the real fight began. If my memory serves me correct, Tonks was hit by a spell and lay motionless, and so was someone else, i think Shacklebolt. Also, the Death Eaters were also being hit by spells. Then Dumbledore shows up, and rounds up EVERY Death Eater but one... Cant remember her name but she was fighting Sirius...

Now, instead of doing something useful with is wand, Sirius was busy taunting her, dodging her spells, until he is hit by one, and DROPS DEAD.

Up to this point, all the spells being cast by EVERYONE had not killed a single person, so why is it that Sirius died so easily?

And also, I was also confused about this archway that he fell into, and the book didnt go into very much detail about that...

Sorry about the long post, Im still upset that Sirius died... shoulda killed Mr. Weasly... Or at least given him some sort of magnificant death...

sirus'death seems to have upset many people (as it has done me.) like most, he was also my favorite character. i think his death was inevitable. if sirus was around when it came to the showdown between harry and voldermort (another inevitabliliyt) sirus would be expected to shoulder some of the conflict. as it is, the story is about harry and he must be the one to confront evil.

i highly doubt sirus will return. if nothing else jkr has created her stories with real emotions muggle and wizard alike. following this tread, death is present in all forms of life. once a person has crossed over (for lack of a better phrase) there is no return. hence the scene of harry trying desperately to contact sirus with the mirror to no avail. like my father, he is gone and no amount of wishing will bring either of them back. however, perhaps sirus may be able to make a "comeback" by conversing with harry through a portrait like the former headmasters of hogwarts. it is highly unlikelym, otherwise, harry would have contacted his parents by now. i suppose we'll have to wait and see...

It just seems really lame the way he died, there were about 5 members of the Order present, well 6 counting Dumbledore, and the 6 kids, fighting against the 10 or so Death Eaters. Now, before the members of the Order even showed up, the kids were being hit by the Death Eaters spells. None of them were even hurt seriously...

but it wasn't the spell that killed sirius, was it? the way i understood the passage was that bellatrix's spell was a stunning spell (it was a jet of red light, like the other stupefy spells in the chapter, eg. p.696), then sirius was frozen and somehow toppled backward (this is the part i'm not sure about.. maybe he was on an angle so when he froze his weight pulled him back???) through the veil to the other side. the spell alone did not result in sirius' death as far as i can tell.


When the Order showed up, the real fight began. If my memory serves me correct, Tonks was hit by a spell and lay motionless, and so was someone else, i think Shacklebolt. Also, the Death Eaters were also being hit by spells. Then Dumbledore shows up, and rounds up EVERY Death Eater but one... Cant remember her name but she was fighting Sirius...
Now, instead of doing something useful with is wand, Sirius was busy taunting her, dodging her spells, until he is hit by one, and DROPS DEAD.
Up to this point, all the spells being cast by EVERYONE had not killed a single person, so why is it that Sirius died so easily?

again, it does not seem that he drops dead, rather he falls through the creepy black veil and is never seen again. personally, although it is of course irritating to read, the reckless and seemingly-stupid way in which sirius chooses to do battle with bellatrix is completely in keeping with his rash and somewhat foolhardy character. we know he is reckless, i can't remember the quote but he even tells harry in a letter not to do anything rash to which harry replies to himself that it is pretty rich to hear such a warning coming from someone like sirius. despite the danger (and even more likely, because of it), sirius was probably terribly excited to be allowed to leave his house not to mention be involved in a battle. the taunting etc. is just sirius' arrogance. and as i recently reread the philosopher's stone, i laughed when i read that it was the young sirius' flying motorbike that hagrid borrowed the night he flew harry to privet drive... kinda funny looking back..


And also, I was also confused about this archway that he fell into, and the book didnt go into very much detail about that...

you're right, it was left very ambiguous.. which is partly what i thought made the scenes that described it so wonderfully eerie. of course, being in the department of mysteries we could hardly expect a thorough explanation of what it was. pages 682-83 offer a fairly good description. it seems that you can walk around the veil and see both sides, meaning that it would appear that one who passed through it would simply come out the other side. this is what harry expects will happen to sirius at the end of the chapter. however harry and luna hear voices coming from 'inside' it, although as hermione points out there isn't any 'in there' as far as one can see. incidentally, only harry and luna hear the whispers. ron and hermione hear nothing, while neville and ginny are intrigued although we do not know if they hear anything. is this like the thestrals then? i think luna is a brilliant character to have brought in, partly because she is someone with whom harry has a connection unlike that which he has with any of the other characters - a certain understanding, a new comfort. also, sirius' death at the hands of bellatrix lestrange brings harry closer to neville as she was also responsible for neville's parents' demise. by the end of OoP i think harry is set up to be somewhat less isolated in the coming books. i still cried all the way through the last two chapters.. i may not recover

I really liked the book. I cried about Sirius, but I have faith the Rowling will pull everything together by the 7th book. I think that Harry will become a teacher at Hogwarts maybe even be Headmaster one day. He'll get married, have kids, and Malfoy will become the next dark lord.

I loved the book, though I'm quite sure Sirius is not coming back for Rowling herself said in an interview that the character that was going to die would surely not come back. on the other hand, I had read some of the things that would be cleared in this book and people said something HUGE would be revealed about Harry's mum. But I didn't really come across anything. Did anyone??

was anyone else shocked when harry used the cruciatius curse?....i mean, i know it didn't work,....but i just never thought he would use it.

You're exactly right KJ....sometimes when your back is against the wall, you'll have to do stuff you don't regularly want to do. I thought it was a gutsy move.

yeah...i wasnt too surprised when harry used it...with his recent behavior n all. Anyhow regarding the first post...i did kinda find the end somewhat unfulfilling. There was too much that went on that and it just ended. Like cho...i mean i know harry prolly wont end up with her but i mean the way they just ended on bad terms kinda bugged me. Not to mention the ending with Quidditch...harry never participated afterwards and it was kinda dissapointing.
Oh well i guess thats JKR's way of making us anxious for the next one. I know i am

i'm in the same boat as you guys. i finished the book yesterday, and i'm still crying. im me if you want to talk; i only have 2 friends who have finished the book and i think they're sick of me crying all the time. my SN is hippiereese
but anyway, i have a few other things to say about the book...
- cho chang is a stupid b!tch. i'm glad harry is over her. personally, i hope he goes out w/ Ginny Weasley soon, she's gotten so much cooler! and she has long red hair, just like harry's mom (does anyone else see the harry+ginny/james+lily thing?)
- the book did take a little while to pick up but i think every part of it was nessescary. it had less action and suspense than the other 4 books, but it was engrossing just the same. this book was definetly more slower-paced and mature.
- there were alot of things left hanging from this book. like what's gonna happen to firenze? or percy and the weasleys? or harry and malfoy? i really can't wait until the next book
- i think sirius is definetly dead, and its gonna give harry more reason to want voldemort dead. after all, now he's all alone...
- harry was a much more developed character in this book. i liked how he yelled at his friends, kept things bottled up and basically acted like a jackass sometimes. it makes him more realistic and more likeable.
- does anyone else not like the movies? i saw the first movie, and while it was alright, i think the movies don't do the books justice at all. i like maiking up how settings and characters look in my head, and i don't think daniel readcliffe looks the way i pictured harry at all
that's all i hafta say for now!

id say the movies were done fairly well for it being a movie. Movies shall never surpass our intricate and vast imaginations but i would say some things in the movie were depicted very well and was not a great dissapointment as i first imagined when hearing about a Harry Potter movie.

quik fix lol

Most definately. I do the same thing, if in need of a HP fix. Pop in the dvd and watch for awhile. Works everytime.

Hey Miniluv518,

When I first read your post about Cho Chang, I thought you said, I hope she goes out with Ginny Weasley next!! But you meant Harry. Now wouldn't that be a surprise for the next book! lol

1st) I think that the way she treated Sirrius in the last book was kind of rotten, he nothing to do really to the story at all, so if she was going to kill off a character I guess Sirrius was the one to kill off. I do hope though she brings him back somehow but only if he is going to be vindicated and found innocent of the charges he was accused of, it makes no sense to bring him back if it's only to hide all the time again.

2nd) I figured out early in the book that Kreacher, having a picture of the evil woman in his cave, was giving away secrets since dumbledore said that all people in pictures could travel from any of the pics to any other ones, so I figured she was speaking to the elf.

3rd) D'Dore said that only the person that the prophecy was about could touch the ball without going insane but if you notice or reread the battle scenes, harry through the ball to Neville and Neville carried the ball for some time so that means that BOTH harry and Neville are art of the prophecy, doesnt it? I notice no one talking about that little bit.

4th) I think Ginny will be a better partner for Harry than Cho although it looks like Luna is shaping up for a go at Harry also.

Could someone tell me what the ratings means and who votes? Thank you!

thats why i went back and reread book number 4 for the second time last month before i got the new book (from library)

so the last story would be fresh in my mind and it would seem like I was in Harry's world experiencing it with him (i know, sounds dumb)

I also try to read favorite books once again when they are made into movies

yeah i shouldve done that

Regarding that prophecy thing about haary and neville, dumbledore said that only the people to whom it referred could take it from the shelf. But if you remember both malfoy and Bella wanted harry to give it to them. Once it was out of its place, anyone could touch it.

HP Fan, I believe that ChosenOne54 was responding to shandi, about touching the ball... asking where in the book that it was located.

oops srry. I waasnt paying much attention.

So back to the prophecy. Well like usuall i Make weird Answers. and here is one more.

Maybe the prophecy talks not about the dark lord as in Voldemort but as neville or harry. The prohecy might take place 30 years from when it was made.. Maybe The Voldemort Harry thing was just a side story or some kind of illusion. Maybe the actuall dark lord is harry. And that neviell's son is the one that will vanquish him or something. OR the other way around with Neveille as teh Dark lord and harry's son as the ONE.

Well Just another idea.

if it was really about what I said, I got that from the end of chapter 34 (page 688 UK version) where malfoy says "give that to me". And dumbledore says (page 731 line 1) "only the people to whom they refer can lift them from the shelves without suffering madness".

speaken of theories i think i got one....

Well with the whole prophecy thing, i think that maybe in either book 6 or 7 neville will die, leaving both harrry and voldermort alive. This would lead into harry making perhaps a new prohpecy of his own, since the prophecy already made for himself has been fulfilled. This may lead to one of those endings where they leave u "hanging", because like maybe in book 7 neville might die, fulfilling the prophecy, and Rowling might just leave u with the war continuing on and with the bullshyt about harry joining some army to fight Voldermort after Hogwarts. Hopefully that doesnt happen coz i just HATE those... haha.

firstly i would like to say thank you to everyone who wrote a comment or rply to my first post.
its so cool to hear other peoples comments on the new book.

then secondly i`d like to propose my own theories derived from some of yours.

someone said about the veil thing...and that only certain people could hear the voices like the Thestrals.I dont know if it right but i think its the exact same people who hear the voices than those who see the Thestrals.Harry and Luna hear it and i thing Ginny and Neville hear it to cause their also intrigued by it and is in some kind of trance.So that makes me conclude that the veil thingis some kind of portal to the spirit world...perhaps .

anyway ....and i want to say that i lked the theory about harry and neville being able to hold the prophecy,,,clever thinking and good reading(missed that one)

I wish Harry wasn't so slow in the head sometimes! If he had thought of opening and using the package(meaning the 2 way mirror) sirius had given him,things would have been so different. Sirius would have carried it with him .I felt so empty inside after reading the book(still am).Everytime I think about how good he was and everything else about sirius,it all makes me mourn for him more... its like losing someone i've known for a long time...

True. But, we have the advantage of knowing more upfront that Harry does. I just think about the things that I did growing up, without question. And I think about how I would allow anger, jealousy, etc... to rule all my actions and decisions. I think that's where Harry is coming from. He doesn't stop to "think things through" ahead of time. He just goes with things as they come.

I guess you're right. Since Harry is already in his 5th year, I'd hope that he would have learned from his mistakes in previous years (meaning not letting his emotions/anger take over his judgement).

Although, there wouldn't be too much of a story if he just acted normal huh?

This is where I give JKR credit again for her writing skills. I've read a bunch of different books (maybe not as much as you KJ), but I've never found myself so absorbed as a part of the story, as I am with the Harry Potter books. Just like Harry being pulled into Tom Riddles diary in book 2, I get the same feeling when I read her books. It's pretty awesome.

I still think Harry might need anger management though. hahahaha