Question for Anti-Jihad

Israel & Palestine Forum

As you are from ground Zero, perhaps you can answer a question that no-one who blames Israel for ALL the terrorist problems in the world can answer.
The Jewish community seems to have an abundance of proof to claim the disputed territories - I have never seen much if any from the Palestinians - what is it and where can I find information
As I have never been able to and those that speak ill of Israel on this forum cannot either.

Thanks.

Both sides claim contradicting things.

I once found a page where demographic data of the Palestinian population was briefly explained (2nd part of 19th century till today)

I couldn't find a page that describes Palestinian life before the 2nd part of 19th century.

I found these two pages describing Israel's and Palestinian's sides on the history of Palestine and Palestinian's existence in these lands:

Israeli article states:

While the modern media maybe short on information about the history of the "Palestinian people" the historical record is not. Books, such as Battleground by Samuel Katz and From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters long ago detailed the history of the region. Far from being settled by Palestinians for hundreds, if not thousands of years, the Land of Israel, according to dozens of visitors to the land, was, until the beginning of the last century, practically empty. Alphonse de Lamartine visited the land in 1835. In his book, Recollections of the East, he writes "Outside the gates of Jerusalem we saw no living object, heard no living sound...." None other than the famous American author Mark Twain, who visited the Land of Israel in 1867, confirms this. In his book Innocents Abroad he writes, "A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely.... We never saw a human being on the whole journey." Even the British Consul in Palestine reported, in 1857, "The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population..."

Palestinian article contradicts:

The arable land in Palestine is under 17% of the total land, click here to view Israel's profile at CIA's Worldfact Book.

Mark Twain's visit occurred during the middle of the hot Mediterranean summer.

Mark Twain visited the region soon after the hostilities between Christian and Muslims (mostly Druze) in Mount Lebanon and Damascus, where tens of thousands of Christian Arabs were massacred in 1861. This explains his apparent hostility and racist remarks against the Ottoman Turks and Arabs.

His visit to Palestine was brief by all accounts, which encompassed only the Biblical areas already cited in the Bible.

No statistical data whatsoever was provided by Mark Twain about Palestine's agriculture or demographic make up.

Mark Twain always compared the region to American cities and fertile lands, which is clearly unfair. Both are in separate world, environment, government, ... etc., which is similar to comparing impoverished Africa with eastern Europe these days.

Israeli article claims:

In fact, according to official Ottoman Turk census figures of 1882, in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141,000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab. This number was to skyrocket to 650,000 Arabs by 1922, a 450% increase in only 40 years. By 1938 that number would become over 1 million or an 800% increase in only 56 years.

Palestinian article contradicts:

Based on Ottoman census records in the late 19th and early 20th century, Palestine was widely inhabited at the time especially in the rural areas where agriculture was the main profession. According to Justine McCarthy (p. 26) the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000 people, and in 1914 , just before the outbreak of WWI, Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslims Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews (including many European Jews from the first and second Aliyah).

Palestinians explain the drastic demographic increase of Arab population in the land claiming it's from natural birth, that Arab immigration was relatively low:
http://www.palestineremembered.com/...s/Story835.html

Israelis explain it by massive immigration from Arab countries:

Population growth was especially high in areas where Jews lived. Where did all these Arabs come from? According to the Arabs the huge increase in their numbers was due to natural childbirth. In 1944, for example, they alleged that the natural increase (births minus deaths) of Arabs in the Land of Israel was the astounding figure of 334 per 1000. That would make it roughly three times the corresponding rate for the same year of Lebanon and Syria and almost four times that of Egypt, considered amongst the highest in the world. Unlikely, to say the least. If the massive increase was not due to natural births, then were did all these Arabs come from?

All the evidence points to the neighboring Arab states of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. In 1922 the British Governor of the Sinai noted that "illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria." In 1930, the British Mandate -sponsored Hope-Simpson Report noted that "unemployment lists are being swollen by immigrants from Trans-Jordania" and "illicit immigration through Syria and across the northern frontier of Palestine is material." The Arabs themselves bare witness to this trend. For example, the governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey el Hurani, admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000 Syrians from Hauran had moved to the Land of Israel. Even British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Land of Israel, noted in 1939 that "far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied."

*Again - note that in 1934, the table states that there were only 290 Moslem immigrants whereas according to the Israeli description, there were at least 30,000 coming from Syria.

You can read these articles here:
Palestinian views: http://www.palestineremembered.com/...d/Story414.html
(Mark Twain's deceptive description of Palestine) http://www.palestineremembered.com/...s/Story845.html

Israeli views:
http://www.middleeastfacts.com/Arti...nianpeople.html
http://www.newswithviews.com/israel/israel14.htm

None of these articles is neutral so some facts could be bent and other facts ignored.

(edit: I've changed the quotes to italic so it'd be easier to distinct)

Thanks

And there's no bigger MURDEROUS BULLY than Israel!

I live in the USA, and I AM NOT Palestinian, I'm just tired of everybody favoring Israel here, while in my eyes, Israel does all of the things that countries like Serbia, South Africa, Russia and China have been blasted for for years! But it's OK for them? Double standard? I think so...that's why I support the Palestinians, something about the whole situation is just not right to me.

weelllllll guys , i think that ya aint seeing the whole picture here, what would ya do, if someone killed ur family, ur kids, took ur house, ur land , ur whole LIFE , ?? would ya just settin right where ya are and lOOk at him ? naaah i dun think so, ya would do the same as the palestinian are doing, even if that would cost ur life.. some of ya doesnt have the word ( THINK ) , most of ya is limiting his mind , doesnt want to hear or see the whole truth, ya only hear from one side, and am sure its not the right side, maybe the americans ( not all of them 4 sure ) dun care, only care 4 the relations with Israel, coz they are controlling their economic standards, and if America isnt supportinh Israel, the second will stop their business . guys !!! its clear and simple, just think alil' bet , the palestinians aint doin' all the Jihad stuff just 4 nothing ?? they are doing all that 4 their land, 4 their kids who died .. is that too much ??

this makes me laugh. Admit it Anti-Jihad u are just as much a hater of these lame muslims as i am to your people jews. u and i are kinda alike hahaha. If had my way; i burn a cross on your yard any day But you are beind a comp and can talk all garbage you can without having to see me eye to eye.