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Posted by: flapbreaker

This is an honest question. I am just wondering, after decades of no progress in thier situation why haven't the Palastinians gradually just dispersed into the Palastinian "friendly" countries. I am not suggesting that they should leave. I just think most people would get tired of the fight and want to live a more normal life. Now I don't pretend to know what the standard of living is like in the Gaza strip but I assume that the future never looks too bright. So what is it? The lack of money, ect..?

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Posted by: nowar

for the same reason Israeli want to stay ........ it's THE land, the land of the three main religion in the world .....

the same reaons the christians made crusades a long time ago .....

RELIGION .......

irony of the situation: the three religions speak about peace, living in peace with the others ...... and that's the religion - the interpretation of - which lead to these "warssssssssss"

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Posted by: flapbreaker

I probably didn't word my original posts accurately enough. I realize why they WOULD want to stay but I get the impression (maybe it's false from media) that the region the Palestinians live in has pretty undesirable conditions. Maybe I am wrong. And since they don't have any military or government to speak of the likelihood of them ousting the Israelis is more than likely zero. I just mean on a human level it seems like people would have a tendancy to go find a better life for yourself and family rather than fight an endless no win situation. Anyway just wondering.

The Israelis have a little different reason to stay. I mean they have pretty much established themselves as the main population there. They can lead a more "normal" existence I think.

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Posted by: nowar

fighting for your land .... you should know that ......

but both side fight for their land .....

and about establishing themselve, I'm sure that if palestinian had received the same amount of money and help than israeli they would have had established pretty much themselves too .....

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Posted by: flapbreaker

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Originally posted by nowar

I'm sure that if palestinian had received the same amount of money and help than israeli they would have had established pretty much themselves too .....



I realize that. That's part of why I would have expected them to move on after 50 some years. I would say the same thing about the Jews if they were in the same position.

Sure I would defend my land but if I was pushed out into the undesirable regions for 50 years and my living conditions and hope for peace were just about zero. Then I would consider moving my family to a more prosperous region. The dirt you live on does not have to dictate who you are as a person.
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Posted by: mystic

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Originally posted by flapbreaker
The dirt you live on does not have to dictate who you are as a person.


Under normal cirumstances that is true. But I think it goes beyond that. This is not just dirt, this is holy Land, and in the religious sense of the word....it does mean more than dirt.

I could be wrong, and if I am, I hope that someone will correct me!
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Posted by: rowdyrjp

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Originally posted by mystic


Under normal cirumstances that is true. But I think it goes beyond that. This is not just dirt, this is holy Land, and in the religious sense of the word....it does mean more than dirt.

I could be wrong, and if I am, I hope that someone will correct me!



Nope you are correct mystic. There have been millions over the centuries that were willing to die for that dirt.

Note to flap...... the Palestinians in the camps cannot go anywhere... the neighbouring Arab countries have taken in 100's of 1000's of them since 50's . They do not want or need more refugees. As well the Palestinians in the camps lack for money, skills etc. to make a life elsewhere. Not too mention the Israely forces do not allow them to travel. For all intents and purposes they are in extremely large prisons.

All these sad people cling to is an impossible dream. It would be best in long run for them to end all resistance and accept Israely rule. One day perhaps { in peacetime } the Israelies will figure out some sort of fair compensation and/or recognition of them and their rights as natives to these lands.{ similar to native american situation }
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Posted by: flapbreaker

Great, thats the kind of info I was looking for. Thanks.

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Posted by: rowdyrjp

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Originally posted by flapbreaker
Great, thats the kind of info I was looking for. Thanks.



Hey no problem. Let me ask you something. Do you think they { the Palestinians } can be convinced it is better for their children to give up? Or do you suppose that our children will still be debating what to do over there when we are old and gray?
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Posted by: flapbreaker

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Originally posted by rowdyrjp



Hey no problem. Let me ask you something. Do you think they { the Palestinians } can be convinced it is better for their children to give up? Or do you suppose that our children will still be debating what to do over there when we are old and gray?


Well I hate to use the words "give up". I think considering how long this has been going on that they may need to make some concessions. It seems that no one wants to have an agreement that doesn't support their FULL desires. I personally believe that they should sign just about any peace agreement that gives them something even if it is small. You have to start somewhere and the small step could lead to bigger ones. It's kind of like the situation that Blacks in America had to go through (and still do to some extent). I mean we had separate bathrooms and schools for gods sake but slowly they have gained more rights.

I think that for those families that do stay in the region it would be nearly impossible to convince the children of anything as long as the adults continue to fight. Unfortunately I think our children will still be talking about this exact issue.

Conflicts may start with the first throw of a stone but it's what ends them that really matters.
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Posted by: Anti-Jihad

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This is not just dirt, this is holy Land, and in the religious sense of the word....it does mean more than dirt.


you are correct, it's the center of the three religions, but Christians do not fight for this land anymore. Besides, if it's holy, it doesn't mean it should belong to all who feel that it's holy for them. According to the Bible, Eden, where our first ancestor Adam lived, is located in Iraq. That doesn't mean that Iraq should belong to the Jews, to Christians or to be an international country. If there is peace, everyone can visited everywhere, if people fight over this land, it will be a waste of human lives, and for what?

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There have been millions over the centuries that were willing to die for that dirt.


These lands were occupied by many different nations, but they mostly did so because this land was a very vital strategical point - a path to north Africa, an opening to two seas. The Greeks, for example, didn't conquer the land because it was holy, they wanted to extend their empire further to North Africa.

Many battles were fought on that land, but there were many battles fought on other lands, it's just that the history (thousand years B.C.) of other lands haven't been documented much in detail if at all, or perhaps these lands weren't much inhabited back then.

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the neighbouring Arab countries have taken in 100's of 1000's of them since 50's . They do not want or need more refugees.


taken back and don't forget that most (if not all) of these refugees originally came from these Arab countries.

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They do not want or need more refugees. As well the Palestinians in the camps lack for money, skills etc. to make a life elsewhere. Not too mention the Israely forces do not allow them to travel. For all intents and purposes they are in extremely large prisons.


Some of them are, others are far from being in such a situation. Do you have ICQ? If you do, have you wondered why there are HUNDREDS of Palestinians who use it everyday? (and it's only in ICQ) That must mean they have computers, electricity and internet connection, and if they can allow that, I believe they can allow other things that make their life quality a little bit higher than what people describe here. I've contacted some Palestinians. One works in a Bank in the Palestinian territories, the other one is a computer engineer who works in Israel... and how can he work in Israel if IDF doesn't allow them to travel? Some are allowed. I don't know who is and who isn't and why, and I hope that those without weapons are allowed and I believe they have reasons to disallow people from going places.

There are schools and universities in Palestinian territories. They can get the proper education and go abroad and study there as well as work there.

Now things get better, meetings are committed (even today Sharon and Abu Mazen had a meeting), Hamas agreed to cease-fire. Only Al-Aqsa martyr brigades disagreed. I cross my fingers and fully hope that the diplomacy will succeed, there will be understanding, trust and obedience at both sides, and that the peace plan will be realized. It's better for everyone.
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