BBC: Scotland Most Violent Country in World

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According to a United Nations report, Scotland has been named the most violent country in developed world.

The study revealed:

1) Scots were 3 times as likely to be assaulted as Americans.

2) 2,000 Scots were attacked every week. Figure dwarfs that of any other developed nation.

3) (Between 91 - 2000), Scotland led world in assaults( 3%).
Study says England and Wales were 2nd highest (2.8%).

4) Head of analysis of UN Interregional Crime and Justice
Research Institute, said Scotland had " a clear and upward
trend " in # of assaults 1996 when the proportion was (1.9%)


" While violent crime has dcreased recently in Scotland, people are still victims of violence, especially knife crime. We are reforming Scotland's DRINKING laws to reduce the connection between ALCOHOL and violent crime."


Lodge get some therapy for your anger.





www.news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4257966.stm

cannot get link to work
( Google Scotland worst country in world)

Now when have I ever been angry?

As for the report well that actual report came out tailend of 2004 /05 and since then violent crimes have dropped dramitically across the board as have sexual crimes along with housbreaking and mugging it's still not perfect but it's getting better in the two years since the report was published, ideas like SOCA have let regular police focus on the street crime while SOCA deal with organised crime also units like VRU ( violnce reduction unit) have assited in cutting the rate. Knife crime is actually on the decrease and Scotland doesn't have a gun crime problem that England ( esp London) has, somebody gets shot dead or wounded on London on a near weekly basis.

Also Malcolm if you did your research and not this "one website has all the answers" theory you live by you would have seen that all in all the crimes you mention were on a downward spiral before the report was written also the report estimates unreported crimes but failed to do so for the USA due to "population figures". Also and this is the telling issue the report only dealt with what the UN classes as developed countries had all countries been included the Scotland woould have been down the list with Afghanistan and Iraq topping it followed by EVERY African state including South Africa which has seen an explosion of violence in the last 16 months. pretty sure chin and indi escaped an investigation.

Fact is that Violent crime is going down:

Gun crime is non exsistent

Sexual assualts are slightly down

knife crime is falling and the perpetrators are dealy with severly now

We will have the toughest sexual assualt laws in Europe next year

We are the only UK country to actually have an action plan on paper to deal with Alcohol fuelled crimes and knife crimes.

Our Serious crime unit is having better results that it's English and Welsh counterparts.

Also Malcolm read the report because despite what you think America did not come out of this smelling of roses it has a high murder, assualt and sexual crime rate and if the UN and American reports are to be believed ( and you obviously believe the UN report) the most serious of crimes are carried out by African Americans so the old saying about those in glass houses and rocks come to mind.


As for Alcohol yep it's aproblem but again your lack of research missed the alcohol action plan that was published last week.

Ok this is the Scottish governemnt and police figures for crimes most are pretty self explanatory and all have some side notes.

The prison rate population and the very last graph require some explaining and I will if any one wants me to.


http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publicat.../06/20135022/11

Malcolm ask yourself a question, where do you think the UN got the initial figures from?

Anyway like I said crime rate is falling

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/n...d?commentpage=1

That deals with the murder rate and shows that we have started to take the right steps.

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews...alls.4261127.jp

This was published a week ago or so ago shows a drop in all crime rates.

Well if thats the case then this report is going to be blatantly biased. How can citizens have any idea on ACTUAL crime rates, if you ask somebody who does not have ACCURATE figures all you get is an opinion. The figures would also be skewed because it is a fact that when you ask people about crime thier view is always that it is worse than it actually is, and how many people did the UN ask because I know for a fact they never asked me or anybody I know about this. If what you are saying is true ( and it's not) then the intial report you posted is not even worth the paper it's written on because it's opnion if anything it only makes the things I posted stronger because they are based on fact.

Oh and Malcolm this is about Scotlands crime rate please don't bring Zimbabwe into this after all it is you that always wants us to keep on topic after all.

Actuallt Malcolm the main thrust of my arguemnt was not how many peopl they asked but why they asked members of the public, indivduals perception of crime is only that a perception you need to ask other like the police for arrest fgiures and the Procurator Fiscal for charge figures and the SPS for prison rate figures ask the people on the front line so you get a better picture. Again these are not facts they are perceptions they couldnt be any further from hard facts if you tried.

Let me give you a couple of examples to expose the failures in this stupid system. Now lets say the man up the road has had his car stolen or house broken into yet nobody else in that street has been affected by crime. Now the UN people ask this guy and he will obvioulsy say crime is bad and they don't ask anyone else in that street now by the UN figures that area is a crime hotspot when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. Also like I said and you ignored it's a fact people always think crime is worse than it actually is. Also let me ask you lets say the UN did the same thing about perpetraitors of crime in America and lets just say the majority of people say they think blacks commit more violent crimes then by your reckoning you would have to accept that as truth wouldnt you.

As for Zimbabwe keep on topic thisd is not about Zimbabwe start another thread if you wanna talk about it. Just playing by your moronic rules Malcolm

I am so glad Malcom has in the past has said Press TV is a legitmimate journalism source because they have printed the up to date figures and the more respected figures from global peace index and luckily for Malcolm as Scotland drops out another of his most hated countries Israel steps up. According to the GPI Britain ( which we are part of) is in the more peaceful half of the table. So one hand we have a UN report based on opinion that is 10 years old wheras this is the 4th posty based on fact tht claims otherwise are you seeing a trend here Malcolm or is it just everyone else again?

Norway is the most peaceful country in the world and Iraq, Sudan and Israel are the least, according to a study by the Global Peace Index.

The Global Peace Index published on Wednesday, a week before the Group of Eight (G8) summit in Germany, rated 121 countries from Algeria to Zimbabwe on some 24 factors including levels of violence, organized crime and military expenditure.

While most European countries including Britain rank in the top more peaceful half of the league table, the United States is nearer the bottom in 96th place, while Russia is fifth from last on 118th.

"This is a wake-up call for leaders around the globe," said Steve Killelea, who commissioned the study from the Economist Intelligence Unit, which is linked to the 'The Economist' news weekly .

Norway is followed by New Zealand in second place and Denmark in third.

Iraq, which has been gripped by growing violence since the 2003 US invasion, is at the bottom of the list just below Sudan, with the Zionist regime only two places from the bottom on 119th place.

The Top 5 countries are: 1. Norway 2.New Zealand 3. Denmark 4.Ireland 5.Japan.

The Bottom 5 countries are: 1.Nigeria 2.Russia 3.Israel 4.Sudan 5.Iraq

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?i...ctionid=3510212

And in the past you have said it was credibile so which is it Malcolm a legitimtae press source or not?

Also if you want to do a little research ( hard for you I know) google most violent country 2007 and you will not see Scotland or the UK up in there.

Well didn't I just ask you that?

Anyway here is the UN's figures wouldn't to be Colombian or South African if this is right ( though the UN figures are compiled very poorly.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/c...ders-per-capita


The Source of this graph is at the bottom of the page

Nah everything I have read reecently point to S. Africa as the most violent country in the world and Johanessburg a the most violent city of course thats the perception of the country but as we used perception for Scotland we use the same for South Africa right?

Well the same can be said for post #1 inb fact we would be a well starting another thread - S Africa most violent country in the world