Isaiah Washington Victim of Gay Power |
| Posted by: malcolm xx | | Because of accusation he used [ homophobic slur ( )] by white cast mate T.R.Knight(who is gay).
ABC Television Studio has confirmed that fans of tv show "Grey's Anatomy" won't see Isaigh Washinton scrub in as his character Dr. Burke anymore.
"I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore... and that's whats so shocking and disappointing. "
He wasn't fired because of some word gay community doesn't like. This is some orchestrated plan to have him remove from show and I'm sure his skin complexion was why. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: RoyalPITA | | You're out of your mind man. Is everything bad that ever happens to any person with dark skin sue to racial intolerance? Are you that guy Malcolm? It's dissapointing if you are. He basically tied their hands. You can't say those things publicly in this day and age and get away with it. I don't agree with what they're doing to him, but honestly man, he should know better than to be intolerant of someone like that. Especially someone he works with.
If it was 1957, I'd grant you that it was probably due to the color of his skin. But that's "Hollywood" and it's 2007, the color of your skin doesn't matter to them if you bring in the money. The only unfortunate part is that, at least right now, more cool in the entertainment industry to be gay. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Malcom, Michael Richards says the 'N' word and you flip out. Washington says *** a few times and you think it's some gay power backlash because he lost his job.
Those racial covered glasses you see the world through never cease to amaze me.
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| Posted by: RoyalPITA | | Let me re-phrase what I was saying about it being more cool to be gay.
What I find unfortunate about it, is that characteristics, not character, is still how people are viewed. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Does not matter who you are but nowadays if you are in the public eye you cannot alienate your public by making commnets that are racist, sexist or homophobic and expect to getaway with it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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RoyalPITA said this in post #2 :
You're out of your mind man. Is everything bad that ever happens to any person with dark skin sue to racial intolerance? Are you that guy Malcolm? It's dissapointing if you are. He basically tied their hands. You can't say those things publicly in this day and age and get away with it. I don't agree with what they're doing to him, but honestly man, he should know better than to be intolerant of someone like that. Especially someone he works with.
If it was 1957, I'd grant you that it was probably due to the color of his skin. But that's "Hollywood" and it's 2007, the color of your skin doesn't matter to them if you bring in the money. The only unfortunate part is that, at least right now, more cool in the entertainment industry to be gay. |
What are "those things" he said in pubic that cannot be said?
Backstage at some award show he denied using the word ****** to some reporters. Statement most humans would say. Conservative white female uses it and its forgotten.
This shows Washintgton was victim of a set up and made an example by most white gay comunnity to show what happens if that word is used. No matter the context.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | I see what you're trying to say. He was asked what the word was that got him in trouble and when he said it he got in more trouble. Kind of like getting that one Superman villan to same his name backwards so he goes back to his own dimension.
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | | "The 43-year old actor was called out for telling reporters backstage, right after Grey's was named Best TV Drama Series at the Globes, THAT HE HAD NEVER CALLED COSTAR T.R. KNIGHT a '******' during a dustup on the set."
This is why he lost his job? made to almost get on his knees aplogize like a kid? gave up his EMMY? only cast member not to raise ?
He did everything GLAAD demanded was told he would return for 4th season . I hope he sues gay community, what they did to him was wrong. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: RoyalPITA | | A) How does one go about suing the gay community?
B) Even if he was set up, how do you figure it was because of the color of his skin? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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RoyalPITA said this in post #9 :
A) How does one go about suing the gay community?
B) Even if he was set up, how do you figure it was because of the color of his skin? |
A) By suing the popular gay organizations GLAAD & the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against DEFAMATION ( ADL involved?).
B) Because race isn't mention doesn't mean it wasn't a factor. Its implied and requires CRITICAL THINKING with acceptance of the FACTS.
- Because of accusation by gay actor T.R. mcKnight Washinghton job was taken ( in the democratic country). He was guilty before he could prove his innocence.
Ann Coulter uses the same word and has become more popular. GLAAD made Washington go on apology tour ( , give up his award, his annual raise, promise his job was secure, hurt his career, involved his family...).
Ann Coulter says she won't apologize and she says nobody can make her. GLAAD and " gay community" are silent and not as outrage similar to Washington
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | What would your reaction be if Washington came out and asaid that McKnight had called him a n***er and then McKnight went on TV and said "I never called him a n***er" would you be cool with that type of language? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | So if any black people make unpopular comments then the NAACP can be sued? Eh, malcom?
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| Posted by: RoyalPITA | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #10 :
A) By suing the popular gay organizations GLAAD & the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against DEFAMATION ( ADL involved?).
B) Because race isn't mention doesn't mean it wasn't a factor. Its implied and requires CRITICAL THINKING with acceptance of the FACTS.
- Because of accusation by gay actor T.R. mcKnight Washinghton job was taken ( in the democratic country). He was guilty before he could prove his innocence.
Ann Coulter uses the same word and has become more popular. GLAAD made Washington go on apology tour ( , give up his award, his annual raise, promise his job was secure, hurt his career, involved his family...).
Ann Coulter says she won't apologize and she says nobody can make her. GLAAD and " gay community" are silent and not as outrage similar to Washington |
It doesn't mean it was a factor either. Really, the fact that you're convinced it was race related, with no actual evidence to back your beliefs, shows racism on your part.
Ann Coulter is a... I don't think I can use that language on this board, but she's a cancerous, angry little person, and everyone knows that. The difference is that she's up front about it, where as Mr. Washington tried to deny it. Even Farrakhan has said he has more respect for someone who is up front about what they believe than some one who, how did it go... "Makes themselves out to be an angel, but is nothing but a devil". (That's not a direct quote, but it was when he was speaking about apartheid in South Africa and racism in America.)
I think intolerance is the issue here, and since you first posted this thread Mr. Washington has admitted that he said "bad things", so where's your leg to stand on with this? McKnight was the victim here, whether you like it or not. Washington is the one who was showing intolerance, and don't you think if he honestly thought he was being let go because of the color of his skin, he would be doing more about it?
He knows better, and you should to. Just because Isaiah Washington is black, it doesn't give him the right to be intolerant of anyone. Trust me, if this had even the slightest stench of racial intolerance, I'd be on your side. However, it just doesn't man, not at all. If it comes out in the wash that it was the case, I'll apologize to you and aide in anyway I can to legally retaliate against the show, the network... whatever it takes man.
I'm one hundred percent against intolerance Malcolm, and in this case, Isaiah was the one in the wrong. He may not have deserved all that he got as far as "punishment", but in this day and age, especially in the public eye, people need to know when it's best to just keep their mouths shut.
Oh, and it wasn't just because of accusations, other people heard it as well. Fellow cast members, crew... more than just the two of them. Lodgebo brings up a great point. Because if the shoe was on the other foot, and McKnight came out and said "I did not call Isaiah a (n word)" you would be out of your mind with rage. You can't have it both ways man.
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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lodgebo said this in post #11 :
What would your reaction be if Washington came out and asaid that McKnight had called him a n***er and then McKnight went on TV and said "I never called him a n***er" would you be cool with that type of language? |
OUR reaction would be the same as any culture that continues to be insulted, but whatever OUR reaction Mcknight would not lose his job or suffer any of the consequences Washington has been throurgh.
He probably would become more popular and get more movie offers.
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | So now what are you saying that only black people are allowed to be offended? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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RoyalPITA said this in post #13 :
It doesn't mean it was a factor either. Really, the fact that you're convinced it was race related, with no actual evidence to back your beliefs, shows racism on your part.
Ann Coulter is a... I don't think I can use that language on this board, but she's a cancerous, angry little person, and everyone knows that. The difference is that she's up front about it, where as Mr. Washington tried to deny it. Even Farrakhan has said he has more respect for someone who is up front about what they believe than some one who, how did it go... "Makes themselves out to be an angel, but is nothing but a devil". (That's not a direct quote, but it was when he was speaking about apartheid in South Africa and racism in America.)
I think intolerance is the issue here, and since you first posted this thread Mr. Washington has admitted that he said "bad things", so where's your leg to stand on with this? McKnight was the victim here, whether you like it or not. Washington is the one who was showing intolerance, and don't you think if he honestly thought he was being let go because of the color of his skin, he would be doing more about it?
He knows better, and you should to. Just because Isaiah Washington is black, it doesn't give him the right to be intolerant of anyone. Trust me, if this had even the slightest stench of racial intolerance, I'd be on your side. However, it just doesn't man, not at all. If it comes out in the wash that it was the case, I'll apologize to you and aide in anyway I can to legally retaliate against the show, the network... whatever it takes man.
I'm one hundred percent against intolerance Malcolm, and in this case, Isaiah was the one in the wrong. He may not have deserved all that he got as far as "punishment", but in this day and age, especially in the public eye, people need to know when it's best to just keep their mouths shut.
Oh, and it wasn't just because of accusations, other people heard it as well. Fellow cast members, crew... more than just the two of them. Lodgebo brings up a great point. Because if the shoe was on the other foot, and McKnight came out and said "I did not call Isaiah a (n word)" you would be out of your mind with rage. You can't have it both ways man. |
Using Minister Farrakhan out of context, defends Ann Coulter, misunderstand racism, spin information, bias analogy, can admit mistake?, agreeing with a hypocrite...
And your post seem to say the opposite of what you claim or I think its called " burning both ends of the candle". Are you a conservative?
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19466829/site/newsweek/
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| Posted by: RoyalPITA | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #16 :
Using Minister Farrakhan out of context, defends Ann Coulter, misunderstand racism, spin information, bias analogy, can admit mistake?, agreeing with a hypocrite...
And your post seem to say the opposite of what you claim or I think its called " burning both ends of the candle". Are you a conservative?
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19466829/site/newsweek/ |
I did not use Farrakhan out of context, nor did I defend Coulter. Calling someone a cancerous angry little person is by no stretch defending them. How exactly do I misunderstand racism? Maybe I was just too brief in my explanation as to how it seems that you may be racist. So here, I'll expand on it.
The fact that you would pull the race card, with the only evidence being that he's the only black person on the cast, therefore insinuating that race had to be a factor, indicates that you are stereotyping. Without saying it, you are basically claiming that since it's a predominantly white cast that they must be ganging up on the black man. Isaiah Washington used intolerant language towards a fellow cast member. A fact that he himself has admitted. He's not the victim of anything other than his own folly. No one is discriminating against him, he was the one discriminating against some one else.
The "spinning information" and "bias analogy" is stretching it a bit Malcolm. It doesn't even make any sense. You're just digging for insults, and they don't make any sense.
Hypocrite? Buddy boy, you should know all to well what a hypocrite is, and I'm not one. Nor am I a conservative. Seriously, is this what you resort to when you've lost an argument?
There's not one prejudiced, racist, or bigoted bone in my body, which is why I can see past the color of skin of the cast here and see it for what it is. Isaiah Washington was wrong and was punished. Not wrong for being black, not wrong for not being white. Wrong for homophobic statements he made to another human being.
A curiousity of mine: Why do you keep make this a separation issue? Why do you by your own hand place an inequity between us? You may not realize it, but that doesn't help any of us either. By us I mean humans, and it doesn't help up get rid of ridiculous labels and stereotypes.
For the record, if McKnight used that word publicly, he would have been fired faster than Washington was. You know better than that.
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | I wanted to put a little perspective on this and remind macolm of something from his past.
See I was thiunking about actors using the N word and what Malcolms reaction would be and then I remembered that Macolms reaction is on this site. I am sure we all remember the disgusting comments from Michael Richards ( Kramer) well there is a thread about it and this is what Maclom said ( And I will post a link if anyone wants it)
Only WE will determine an appropriate apology for KKKramer . Seinfield has some questions to be answered too.
So by Macolms logic only the gays will decide the form of Washingtons apology right?
Furthermore and I like this one:
1 make apology on Tavis Smiley's show or( and) Opra where Blacks can decide if he is sincere. Jesse Jackson has become more of a politician and doesn't speak for majority of Black people
2 give reparations from wharever royalties he gets from Seinfield DVD's to Black community set up in some kind of fund
3 owes reparations to the Black men he express his racists opinions
4 use whatever leverage he has to help Black actors in Hollywood
Maybe Washington should do the same for gays right? after all whats good for the goose is good fro the gander.
Anyway I did a little research on this whole thing to see if Macolm had a point and actually he is not. What I did find out was that either the creator or the director of the show is black and approved Washingtons dismissal and secondly McKnight was not open about his sexuality ( as is his right) it was ssupected and because of Washington he had to come out which was an uncomfortable experience for him. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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lodgebo said this in post #15 :
So now what are you saying that only black people are allowed to be offended? |
There was nothing to be defended. Leys see what you think?
1 Did you hear or see Washington say this (so called)
ofensive word?
2 Did you (and the world) see the video of Ann Coulter
saying this...?
3 Which evidence would you believe?- someone ACCUSING Scotland of having nuclear weapons or someone showing you VIDEO ?
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| Posted by: lodgebo | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #19 :
There was nothing to be defended. Leys see what you think?
1 Did you hear or see Washington say this (so called)
ofensive word?
No but I have heard him say that he said a bad thing in relation to this incident. Thats good enough for me.
2 Did you (and the world) see the video of Ann Coulter
saying this...?
Again no but I know what she said and like Washington she was out of line.
3 Which evidence would you believe?- someone ACCUSING Scotland of having nuclear weapons or someone showing you VIDEO ? |
You should know video only tells part of a story. Alos when are you going to address my most recent post about what you said in another thread.
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| Posted by: RoyalPITA | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #19 :
There was nothing to be defended. Leys see what you think?
1 Did you hear or see Washington say this (so called)
ofensive word?
2 Did you (and the world) see the video of Ann Coulter
saying this...?
3 Which evidence would you believe?- someone ACCUSING Scotland of having nuclear weapons or someone showing you VIDEO ? |
1)Actually yes I did. I've seen footage numerous times of him saying it.
2)No I have not seen any video of Ann Coulter. I thought it may have been implied that I can't stand her, but now you know.
3) Isaiah Washington himself admitted that he said bad things, and there's video proof that he said the word.
It never had anything to do with the fact that he's black.
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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RoyalPITA said this in post #21 :
1)Actually yes I did. I've seen footage numerous times of him saying it.
2)No I have not seen any video of Ann Coulter. I thought it may have been implied that I can't stand her, but now you know.
3) Isaiah Washington himself admitted that he said bad things, and there's video proof that he said the word.
It never had anything to do with the fact that he's black. |
1) What did he say? Where can we see this footage?
2) But the video does exist?
3)Was he was fired for saying " bad things" ? Did Patrick ? say any "bad things"? What context did Washington say these " bad things"? Adults are not allowed to say "bad things"?
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Malcolm even the biggest idiot in the world knows what he meant whe he said " bad things". Face it you made him out to be some poor black man that was a victim of the pink mafia when in truth he has adnmitted he is nothing but a bigot.
So as you suggested let get washington to:
1 make a public apology on a show that is popular with Gays
2. give reperation to gays from any money has made from the show
3. Give reperations to McKnight
4. Use what ever leverage he has to help gay actors Hollywood. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: RoyalPITA | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #22 :
1) What did he say? Where can we see this footage?
2) But the video does exist?
3)Was he was fired for saying " bad things" ? Did Patrick ? say any "bad things"? What context did Washington say these " bad things"? Adults are not allowed to say "bad things"? |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yWS-zhPXA0
There you go Malcolm.
You know why he was fired. Let me know if you have something actually constructive to add to this please. I'm tired of running in circles on this issue with you. You don't answer a single question, all you ever seem to do is attack those who don't agree with you and thoughts/beliefs of others that don't mesh with yours.
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| Posted by: Sierradaddy | | Thanks for the comments, people. Btw, when you are saying "McKnight", you are referring to the actor T.R. Knight, correct? The guy who plays O'Malley on Grey's Anatomy, right? Just wanted to clarify. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Yeah it must be my apologies god only knows why I started calling him McKnight anyway I bet he prefers McKnight to F***** like Mr Washington called him. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | "I can neither defend nor explain my behaviour. I can also no longer deny to myself that there are issues I obviously need to examine within my own soul, and I've asked for help. With one word, I've hurt everyone who has struggled for the respect so many of us take for granted. I welcome the chance to meet with leaders of the gay and lesbian community to apologise in person. T.R.'s courage throughout this entire episode speaks to his tremendous character. I hold his talent, and T.R. as a person, in high esteem. I know a mere apology will not end this, and I intend to let my future actions prove my sincerity."
Isaiah Washington
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Malcom, can you compare Imus saying "nappy headed ho" to Washington saying "***" for me?
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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lodgebo said this in post #28 :
"I can neither defend nor explain my behaviour. I can also no longer deny to myself that there are issues I obviously need to examine within my own soul, and I've asked for help. With one word, I've hurt everyone who has struggled for the respect so many of us take for granted. I welcome the chance to meet with leaders of the gay and lesbian community to apologise in person. T.R.'s courage throughout this entire episode speaks to his tremendous character. I hold his talent, and T.R. as a person, in high esteem. I know a mere apology will not end this, and I intend to let my future actions prove my sincerity."
Isaiah Washington
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" someone heard the booming voice of a Black man and got really scared and that was the beginning of the end for me. My mistake was thinking Black people get 2nd chances. I was wrong on all fronts."
" I was told some people were afraid of me around the studio... because I'm a 6-foot-1 Black man with darkskin who doesn't go around saying ' yessah, massa sir' to everyone?
" can only apologize so many times. I can only accept so much responsibility.... Isaiah will go on and do what I love to do. And I have to go about my business of letting people know what's written about me IS NOT THE TRUTH."
Isaiah Washington
Here is article written without gay agenda.
www.entertainmentwise.com/news?id=34072
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HECK! said this in post #3 :
Malcom, Michael Richards says the 'N' word and you flip out. Washington says *** a few times and you think it's some gay power backlash because he lost his job.
Those racial covered glasses you see the world through never cease to amaze me.
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KKKramer said more than "N" word. Check for yourself. Anyone with a brain will wonder if you have "fliped out."
www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-raci...caught-on-tape/
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| Posted by: RoyalPITA | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #30 :
" someone heard the booming voice of a Black man and got really scared and that was the beginning of the end for me. My mistake was thinking Black people get 2nd chances. I was wrong on all fronts."
" I was told some people were afraid of me around the studio... because I'm a 6-foot-1 Black man with darkskin who doesn't go around saying ' yessah, massa sir' to everyone?
" can only apologize so many times. I can only accept so much responsibility.... Isaiah will go on and do what I love to do. And I have to go about my business of letting people know what's written about me IS NOT THE TRUTH."
Isaiah Washington
Here is article written without gay agenda.
www.entertainmentwise.com/news?id=34072 |
Sounds just about as racist as you.
Also interesting, that in the same breath that he can only apologize so many times and accept somuch responsibilty and then say it's not true. You tell me what 6 foot 1 inch man with a booming voice is going to apologize for something he didn't do? I'm 5 foot 10 inches and if I didn't do it, I'm not apologizing.
Let it go Malcolm. Get out in the world, you might just realize that everybody doesn't hate you. It's only the ignorant that make the news.
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | If he had just admitted he did it, admit he was wrong and take whatever punsihment he got I think more people might have had a little more respect for him taking it like a man. However when he acts like it's a racial agenda and has people like malcolm claiming he is a victim of white, gay conservative power then he just appears like a crybaby and loses what little support he has left. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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RoyalPITA said this in post #32 :
Sounds just about as racist as you.
Also interesting, that in the same breath that he can only apologize so many times and accept somuch responsibilty and then say it's not true. You tell me what 6 foot 1 inch man with a booming voice is going to apologize for something he didn't do? I'm 5 foot 10 inches and if I didn't do it, I'm not apologizing.
Let it go Malcolm. Get out in the world, you might just realize that everybody doesn't hate you. It's only the ignorant that make the news. |
A tolerant person listens to both sides of story.To be the judge and the jury, it would be fair that you do.
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| Posted by: RoyalPITA | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #35 :
A tolerant person listens to both sides of story.To be the judge and the jury, it would be fair that you do. |
I usually do, and I always try to Malcolm. However, I stated that he was probably done wrong, and the punishment was probably too harsh, in this very thread. What's assinine about this is that you refuse to keep anything in context and continue to argue things that are off the scope of your initial post on this issue. I also find it extremely interesting that you of all people would post this, and yet I find you highly intolerant of pretty much anyone who's not black. You apparently can find no instance where something happens to a black person with out it being a racial issue.
Isaiah Washington called someone else a f***ot and then used that same word when denying that he had said it. You trust purely an the color of ones skin rather than the content of one's character. Numerous people heard Mr. Washington say it, and only he denies it. He then himself made it seem as though people are afraid of him because of the color of his skin, the tone of his voice, and his physical stature. Maybe, just maybe it's his demeanor and temperment that is off putting to others. Maybe he was a difficult person to work with to begin with.
However, it seems to me that none of that matters to you. Prove me wrong man. I've never met you, all I know of you is what you put on this board. I'd like to think that you really don't feel the way you seem to, but how would I know? In any event, it is quite unavoidably clear that Isaiah Washington was fired for more than the color of his skin.
Also, for what it's worth, I'm no judge. Nor am I a jury. I just call bull**** when I see it, that's all.
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